Breaking: Brock Lesnar scheduled to feud with _______ at Survivor Series
 

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Brock Lesnar vs. Jinder Mahal


https://twitter.com/wonf4w/status/918984235741937664

that will not be good for Jinder's bum shoulder

incoming Vacant title reign to get it off him without losing via injury

... What?

Eh. Why not.

There's no good outcome for this match.

After all, he is the only star they have. Theyve been doing a good job this year letting lesnar give guys the rub.

I guess they could have Jinder and the Singhs attack Lesnar from behind before the match to cast doubt on whether he can go. Gives an excuse for Jinder to actually get a little offense in before getting beat. Outside of that, the match probably shouldn't last more than a minute.

If you do the match you either do a non finish of jinder wins.

Or you unify.

Cant put jinder (or SDL) under

Jinder Mahal should not be going over Brock Lesnar...

SDL cant take the loss, neither can jinder.

Youd need to throw the belt in the trash.

Just putting anyone and everyone over Cena is one of the reasons beating Cena isn't really all that big of a deal anymore. For fucks sake, don't make beating Lesnar the same thing.

Nice clusterfuck finish would work...unless you unify...if you unify then fuck it. Pin him and release him the next day.

Sometimes "Just don't book the match" is the right call.

This is probably one of those times.

Non-finish is probably the best option and when that's the case... it's a pretty good sign that the match just shouldn't have been booked.

wehn did he lose last? I cant recall.

I dont get to pick the matches.

Goldberg I think

Brock destroys Jinders shoulder
Jinder goes on the shelf
someone else wins the WWE Title

seems good to me from a "everyone hates jinder as champion" standpoint

Survivor Series then?

There's a lot wrong with that. Even from an anti-Jinder standpoint.

Shits on the SD championship and ruins the moment they've built of someone taking the title off Jinder.

Unless you count the Royal Rumble.

I wouldnt...

So a loss a year. Anti streak.

Theres no shame in getting destroyed by Brock Lesnar and it gives him time to get his actually fucked up shoulder healed without him getting pinned so he can come back and get..

well he can come back at least

... He's wrestled like 4 times since then...

75%!

:lol:

So he would get destroyed but Brock wouldn't pin him?

Id have Brock beat the shit out of him so bad that the SDL lockeroom empties out to save Jinder

I don't really think that solves the problem. Getting beaten so bad the locker room comes out to save your life isn't really better than getting pinned. Also, it kinda gives Jinder face sympathy.

he can be a face when he comes back

Well this idea is just sounding worse and worse.

Thats way worse

throw some fire. All arabs can throw fire

I can see it now. They call it a unification match. Lesnar is killing Jinder, just making a mockery of him, and then The Shield (or probably just Roman Reigns) comes out and assaults Lesnar, causing the DQ and pushing the Reigns/Lesnar feud.

Either that or they unify and Lesnar starts wrestling more often. Which is probably not likely.

Sand in the eyes would be more delightfully racist/attract the Indian market.

Another possibility is that this is tied to a traditional Survivor Series match. Team RAW headed by Lesnar vs Team Smackdown headed by Jinder.

It's going to be a non-title match, Meltzer says

http://www.f4wonline.com/daily-updat...bisping-244441

Better option would just be to not do the match and use Survivor Series to finally dethrone Jinder. Longer Jinder's reign has gone, the worst it has become and not solely because of him.

On the positive this match can't go longer than 10 minutes

On the negative those are going to feel like the longest 10 minutes of any match this year

Singh Brothers def going to eat some F5's

Wait, the India tour is only two shows? That is why Jinder has been kept champion so long? For two house shows?

Theres no way they'd put him in a match vs Lesnar with a legit busted up shoulder if the intention wasnt for the shoulder to be "hurt" in the match and force him to vacate the belt even if it is a non title match

Gets worse considering the tour of India supposedly wasn't even originally planned. The rumors about it was due to WWE having a tour of Asia later this year and only Japan and maybe China were actually confirmed as locations.

WWE won't do this. For all the logistical reasons that #1-wwf-fan and Destor have laid out. Jinder is so far behind Brock in terms of perception it isn't funny. It's why Jinder isn't a star and the WWE Title hasn't meant shit lately. If this match happens, and Brock just slowly fucks Jinder, I will laugh, but I have no clue why they'd book it. Unless it is to end the Jinder experiment.

Brock scrapped the Finn Balor and Shane McMahon matches because he's too smart to sell for that shit. He's not going into overdrive to sell Jinder barely being able to put one foot in front of the other. It won't happen. If the match happens, it is to erase Jinder. Might as well unify the belts and end the brand split, but they're too stubborn for that. This is Vince McMahon imploding.

Let's not forget they wasted Shinsuke Nakamura on this as well, I mean if they wanted to feed Shinsuke Nakamura to someone at least with Lesnar there is a potential good story there but now it seems he might be "done" and the title means fuck all

It's really astonishing to see that so many people in authoritative positions don't seem to realize that Jinder sucks doo doo.

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I like Jinder. He's got the look of a champion and he's improved tremendously on promos.

With that being said, all the racial shit with Nakamura, plus him being booked weak as a champion has me clamoring for someone to take the title from him. I do not at all blame Jinder for the lacklusterness of this title run.

Is Jinder really that bad?

Jinder probably loses by count out as he takes his belt and runs away.

I'm mostly bummed about it because it means Survivor Series will become a Raw vs. SmackDown show yet again. Fucking dumb that they put everything on hold so that people can feud because of "brand pride".

The brand pride thing is so uninteresting

Champion vs champion =/= brand pride

If anything this might spare us a stale brand vs brand 4v4 match

The WWE squandered all my other Dream matches (I still have Owens v Brock Nakamura V Brock and Asuka v Brock ) Jinder V Brock would be cool if I didnt know it was gonna be ridiculously short.

I was all for his push at first because it was someone new getting a chance, but his promos are awful and his matches are pretty bad.

Yeah, it was a ridiculous push to begin with, but I decided to "give him a chance"...... and he failed.

Just gonna leave this here:
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It's definitely going to be about brand pride though. Why would the GMs decide to book their champions against each other unless they wanted to be able to pump their chest over having the "top champion of WWE"? Lesnar may not give a shit about repping Raw, but Angle will.

Anyway last year's show featured 5 interbrand matches so I'm guessing it'll be something similar this year. Really would prefer to let Raw and SmackDown have their own elimination matches, though.

This makes sense. But it would also require Daniel Bryan to seriously be like "Oh, you think your champion Brock Lesnar is better!? Well we've got Jinder Mahal!"

Which I just... can't imagine. Unless they want to go with a "Daniel Bryan's concussions are really fucking with his brain" storyline.

That would be pretty hilarious.

If there is a 5 vs 5 match, I guess the field would have to be:

Miz, Braun, and The Shield vs. Styles, Nakamura, KO, Zayn, Orton

I mean in theory that is a seriously hot lineup that could make for a ridiculously fun match. But even as somebody who loves 80% of the guys on that SmackDown team, I fail to see how they believably could take that Raw team.

If they're going to do brand elimination matches, I'd like them to do The Shield, Finn Balor & Jason Jordan vs. Owens, Zayn, Styles & The Usos. I don't really like how they have faces and heels on the same side, but the heel SmackDown team hiding behind AJ Styles could be fun. Then have The Miz, Braun, Sheamus & Cesaro respond to their TLC loss by attacking some SmackDown babyfaces. I'd have gone with Orton, Nakamura, Harper & Chad Gable. Shelton can be "hurt" and left out of the match.

I was fairly certain that they weren't going to do this, but then I have it some more thought, and I realized that there is nothing they won't do now. All the rules are out the window -- you can't apply logic to these sorts of scenarios anymore. The more I think about it, the more I can imagine Brock Lesnar being the one guy that Jinder Mahal isn't scared of for some reason because it makes no sense.

The worst part of this is realizing that if they had done the logical thing and put the belt on Nakamura, we'd be getting Lesnar/Nakamura. :'(

They ruined Nakamura... to put over Jinder Mahal...

Still sounds fucking bizarre.

It doesn't just SOUND bizarre....it IS bizarre. I still can't wrap my head around that one. Sure, one time Jinder goes over with his/Singh Bros hijinks, but Nakamura should have been the one to overcome those hijinks in the end.

:roll:

So a match between a guy who these days just does german suplexes and an f5, and the other guy who......has people interfere so he can hit his one move on the opponent? Sounds like money. :n::shifty:

The more I think about it, the more confused I am as to why I thought Nakamura would be a good fit for the WWE. The guy's whole mystique is that he isn't like everybody else. You can't send him to the WWE where everybody is like everybody else. It was never going to be that he stood out, it was that he would be tweaked until he was safe and familiar.

I knew it would happen. I just didn't think it would happen that fast. Again I underestimate just how good WWE is at making everything shit.

This is perfect.

I started to have my doubts even when Nakamura was in NXT. Then when Jinder won the WWE Title I was like "It doesn't even matter anymore." Like, what does Nakamura beating the worst member of 3MB mean? Do all the ribbons and confetti after that title win you want.

Jinder Challenged Cena for WM 34

Who wouldn't wanna see that

yes you might consider this a DAMN iNATOR-esque post but I don't give a fuck... so here is my response to this
 

Makes sense as a match. I mean, they're in with Jinder and they're in with Reigns. The idea of Cena going after #17 is a good "B-plot" for WrestleMania. Not entirely sure they even switch the belt there though. I could see Cena taking time off after Mania and Vince being stubborn with this whole India thing. I can see the idea being that Jinder makes it through WrestleMania as the champion. Cena wouldn't mind lying down. The fan reaction would be interesting.

When did Jinder challenge Big Match John?

The "lolWWE" thing to do would be for Cena to win and get #17 at WrestleMania and then just drop the title right back to him the next week on Smackdown.

I would not at all be surprised if they did that. At all.

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Damn...could see that happening tbh

Cena has to beat someone better than Jinder to break the "record"

The only thing I'm thinking is that Cena challenging kind of "justifies" the reign in their mind. I mean, what does anyone beating Jinder mean at this point? That's why at least the story of it being historic lends something to the program.

That being said, I'm not willing to bank that they will take the belt off Jinder until after Mania. I can see him beating JBL's "longest reigning champion in SmackDown history" thing. I also don't necessarily see him going against Cena at WrestleMania, as "obvious" as the match seems. Cena might want something else. I could honestly see AJ Styles as the Mahal opponent. They have kept them suspiciously separate (from what I've read anyway).

Could see something like this as the core of the Mania card:

* Brock vs. Reigns
* Mahal vs. AJ
* Cena vs. Braun
* Triple H vs. Balor
* Owens/Zayn vs. Orton/Shane
* Four Horsewomen stuff

So Mahal made the challenge. Why would Brock accept? In a kayfabe sense? Does he think it's going to be a night off and he'll get to annihilate the WWE Champion? Why not demand it be a title match? Cena can compete as a "free agent," why doesn't Paul Heyman just do the "Brock Lesnar doesn't fight for free" line and demand that Mahal put up his belt if he wants the fight so bad?

I'm actually going to say something good about the idea of this build -- Brock could, hypothetically, make it good, if the promise of Brock beating the shit out of Jinder Mahal is actually there. Do those UFC style hype videos where he talks about beating the shit out of Jinder Mahal. Literally. And as Jinder lays there in his own shit, people will look at the ring and think he got Jinder Mahal title reign all over him.

Get Heyman to shoot for the sky. Talk about how shit SmackDown has been. They can't work out whether that is Shinsuke Nakamura on Tuesday nights, or Yoshi Tatsu, because the Shinsuke Nakamura Brock Lesnar fought hasn't been seen since New Japan. Randy Orton's looking motivated. By that he just means that he's there. Orton hasn't had a good fight in him since Brock killed him at SummerSlam.

If you're going to do RAW vs. SmackDown, really fire people up about it. Don't try and "tell a story" between Brock and Mahal. That ain't gonna work.

Or you can just have Brock turn down the challenge and do Jinder Mahal vs. AJ Styles and have Brock Lesnar face someone else. That would be a lot better.

Brock vs Roman
Mahal vs Cena
AJ vs Shinsuke
HHH vs KO

Not sure who they have in mind for Braun yet

Can see that. AJ/Nakamura would obviously be fine with me, but there's just something too..."dream matchy" about it, which makes me think that come Mania time, both guys might be plugged into frustratingly separate programs.

Hey, given that he's back, Braun vs. Kane would not surprise me. Or Braun vs. Big Show in a send-off (although I'm sure he will still make appearances) for Show. By the time Mania rolls around, it would not surprise me if there is some sort of "Monster Mash" featuring Finn Balor, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Kane, Big Show and the Bludgeon Brothers at this point.

According to the Observer, only reason WWE is doing this match is because they supposedly don't want to do a Balor-Lesnar match till next year. Also because they don't see Survivor Series as a major event so it was a lot easier to have a throwaway match for Lesnar in terms of opponent.

lol @ the WWE World Champion being a "throwaway opponent" for someone.

This company is so fucking weird sometimes.

Give him a legit career ending injury Brock.

I'm not against this idea but I'd rather it go to a time limit draw. Something that doesn't happen in WWE anymore though. Would keep both strong and maybe even give Jinder a rub for going toe to toe with Brock.

Time limit in a PPV main event? I don't know about that.

Well knowing WWE they are likely to put this match on before the traditional Survivor Series match and still call it the main event.

They’d have to give the game away by announcing the time limit. Unless they just start doing time limits now.

How long would this time limit be?

If it's more than 15 minutes then God no. Brock doesn't do matches longer than 10 minutes anymore and if he does, it definitely shouldn't be against someone like Jinder.

If it's 15 minutes or less then lol @ 15 minute time limit for a PPV main event.

Defiantly introducing a time limit would be a give away but could be something like Brock not seeing Jinder as a big enough match up and will only allocate so much of his time. Would play into Mahals character of people not taking him seriously as Champion and give him something to prove. 15 minutes does seem a bit short but 20 seems too long.