Emma: The Thread
 

Shut the fuck up. I hate you guys.

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It's not like they told Emma "go out there and make Asuka look great" and she was like "Nah, Emmamite sandwich".

:lol:

for real tho she has personal responsibility. As enhancement your job is clear: Get the other guy over. She didnt do that. So if im the employer and I cant get her over and she cant get other poeple over I dont really have anyuse for her.

Who says she was enhancement? They had been giving her a mini-push leading into the match and then they put her on PPV. PPV isn't for enhancement matches, is it?

I highly doubt it was her call to go in and have a competitive match with Asuka. Couldn't see her having that sort of pull. Asuka was giving her traction, too. She didn't have to do that.

THat push only existed for the benifit of asuka; and yes ppvs have always been a place to debut poeple against enhancement guys. It was fairly common for a long time. "buy the ppv to watc the debut of blah blah"


and then theyd just get shined up for 10 min and go home

Once the bell rings the heel calls the match, no one in the back can do much about it. Only thing Asuka can do is start shooting on her...

I think there's more to this than you want to believe, but it's honestly anyone's guess. Unless you were there or something. Were you there or something?

They just got her a new theme song and everything.

I would love to experience the Taste of Tenille

I think somebody made a "possibly" bad booking decision in regards to Asuka's debut, got some heat for it, lashed out and blamed it on Emma, and...

...and who gives a fuck. Check this out:

http://i.imgur.com/feHtKtY.gif

Now the chick from last night, SHE was enhancement. No entrance. No theme. No promo. No reason but to get beat the fuck up. That wasn't what Emma was there for.

Emma was good. No matter what Destor says.

I think you're confusing enhancement with jobber

Because what you're saying she was supposed to be doing was be a jobber.

no, her job was to shine the girl up. Its totally not the same and being squashed.

Match I saw Emma was tyring to get her shit in.

Wait is that why theyre saying she got fired?

indeed

I would love for Emma to shine me up

The match went 9 minutes. Are we suggesting that Asuka was suppposed to squash her for 9 minutes? Or that Emma took the match long?

There has been no suggestion that should have squashed emma by me if thats what you're implying

Was she suppose to "get shined on" for nine minutes?

There must have been some "suggestion" if we all thought that's what you meant, ya know?

Yeah all the spots should have served asukas benefit. You guys have seen a hundred matches that do this...its not a radical thing. People have made careers out of it. You can frame a hope spot that even after the cutt off still does business for the other guy.

As someone who has only been directly involved in ONE wrestling match, I have to say...

...huh?

I mean, I think I get what you're saying, but I can't tell which one is "the other guy" there. Asuka?

I get exactly whay Des is saying. The match was decent but made Asuka look very human which is stupid right out the gate.

Well whoever is the person you're trying to get over. In this case asuka

Could have been competitve but with Asuka displaying superiority in every facet. 1 step ahead even though Emma was game. Instead Asuka seemed like a plucky young underdog fighting from underneath.

Did the same thing with Nak vs Ziggler and imo he hasnt found his stride since.

The thing ia Asuka is billed as different. Yet the match vs Emma may as well have been Sheamus vs The Miz

Yeah, I understand all of that, but I still don't think it's Emma's fault. Somebody in the back structured that match. Probably Bayley's punk ass.

Actually, that was a Bayley match, the more I think about it.

Maybe she didnt execute the way they intended?

And no one seemed to be upset with Ziggler over it.

So they did the same thing the next night?

They coulda also let Emma call it in the ring and thats how she decided to call it and Asuka may have been playing nice with it being her first 2 matches on the main roster. Who knows.

Doesn't add up to me. I definitely understand what Destor is saying, but I really don't think this falls on Emma, and if it's really the reason she was released, it's fucking bullshit.

Exactly. Who knows that I'm not right either.

What I do know is that Emma has been awesome for a while now.

I am just goinf off these apparent rumours i havent heard til this thread. The whole Asuka thing is just weird. May as well have squashed her with how much offence she got then shitcanned.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE'S MORE TO IT

Highly doubt Emma went out there and created the match without getting approval.

As do I.

No ever wants to hold workers accountable when they fail to get over.

"Alright! The moment we've all been waiting for! The main roster debut of legend-in-the-making, Asuka! EMMA! What do you think we should do?"

Workers aren't robots. It isn't scripted the way you seem to think it is

That's not true. I just don't think it's Emma's fault in this case.

ONLY MILDLY-RELATED MUSING:

As a wrestler, am I a shit fan for really enjoying the TLC match between Asuka and Emma?

http://www.therobotspajamas.com/wp-c...7817920984.png

DOES NOT COMPUTE

You guys dont think that matches are choreographed by a 3rd party do you? That isnt the case.

The agent asigned to your match with give you your finish and probably a heat spot. Sometimes they will give you a story structure if they have specifics they you to get in for plot purposes. They might micromanage a bit more if youre awful or super green but they think they can get you over.

But if you can work they just let you work. You know the big notes. You know what not to do (IE theyre working the leg in the main or whatever so lay off the leg on the undercard) You know your time. Get it over.

Some guys call their shit in the back some guys walk and talk. Others do a bit of both. But its your match. Finley isnt sitting there telling girls to follow a script step by step...

Never actually thought about what the perception of how it all comes together is...85% is improve sans spot monkies...fyi.

Emma...was nice to look at...but she could not put a match together...at all

Breaking Ground told me there's a third party, but that would lend to your goose shit point.

The match was over with ME. Do I not count as a person?

This match was pretty good:

http://i.imgur.com/feHtKtY.gif

Course you do. Youll just need a lot of money to make keeping her worth it lol

She had some clear assets

They only charge ten bucks a month.

I don't know if they had Emma t-shirts or anything. Can I buy a pair of little half gloves?

Why wasn't Emma to the Australian market what Jinder Mahal is to the Indian market?

They shoulda sold them, merch is merch

What do you think woulda happened where the fault could be placed on Emma, Des? Just curious. Think as the heell she was calling the match?

Versus holding Asuka accountable.

Hold up. I may have an unhealthy love for Emma, but NONE of this was Asuka's fault. EVER.

This all falls on Bayley. I'm sure of it.

Either its not a strong market for the WWE and/or doesn't have the same untapped potential like with India and China because of its huge populations.

Think only very recently a renaissance of sorts is happening there with wrestling like with the UK scene.

Hey man i dig Asuka but was just curious. If it falls on the way the match was laid out and a wrestler is being held accountable... How come one employee is and the other isnt if both didnt execute

Well they're lucky I really like Billie Kay and Peyton Royce.

Awwww, Emma could have been in a stable with them. :(

We never had these issues when Dawn Marie and Torrie were scissoring on top of Al Wilson's corpse. Women's revolution my ass. They're being set back even further if they're trying to hold Emma accountable on some BULLSHIT. :shifty:

Yeah the heel and the refs ear piece are in control. Only time the ref will chime in is if its time to go home or the office sees something and calls an audible. Rare though.

The heel is putting the match together in the ring though baring some huge gap in experience. Its not easy calling the match from the top though; the heel is in a dominant position for most the match so its best left to the heel. (And someone has to lead, its a dance after all.)

So when emma goes out there and does a heat thats built around rest holds inside a 9 min match on ppv in a match where youre getting the next 6 months of tv over is your prime directive...? Yeah thats because emma isnt good at her job.

She isnt good enough to work heel, thats the real mistake but she isnt over enough to breakthrough the babies either...nxt jobber diva? I dunno. I started watching nxt and everyone told she would get better later...she never did.

Asuka could have only saved the match if she went into business for herself and got her shit in the hard way...and in retrospect she should have

Ohhhhh... that's where the hard way term comes from!

So who was the heel in AJ v. Finn on the same night?

I’d guess AJ as he’s the vet. I’d have to watch again to know for sure.

Baby on baby so no heel. But AJ led that night. Finn took the heat and had a full come back. AJ might have taken a short heat early on but i cant remember. Id have to rewatch it...good match though. AJs stuff might be spotty but its all put together really well.

I think it goes

Creative Guy: Asuka goes over really hard. Emma, you barely get any offense in. Go.

And then Emma goes out there and barely gets and offense in.

But thast didn't happen so I am guessing she was told to get offense in.

Lol

Hater.

Honestly, don't care how it goes. Emma is not in a position to call the entire match. There were guidelines. And I am sure there is a specific way they want to build Asuka.

We can agree she should never call a match

I agree that I enjoyed the match, enjoyed Emma in the ring, think that you are wrong about a lot of things regarding her, and that I call BS on the rumours saying how her matches with Asuka went had anything to do with her release.

Did some searching about the rumors for Emma's release and nothing about it was reported from the usual sheet sources nor anything about her matches with Asuka being the reasoning for her departure.

Yeah... was wondering where e'ryone was getting this from.

Destor said it somewhere, and I believed him, because I love him.

#FakeNews Destor?

When I saw the match, Asuka's offense felt beastly, and Emma's felt desperate. I think people are blowing all this out of proportion.

If Emma did that "terrible" a job why'd they have a rematch the next night? There's no way.

One more chance. Have Asuka go over again on the way out.

I'm with Destor on this.

Emma's been fired before. Her 2014 comedy run didn't work, so they turned her heel. that was fun because Emma is nice to look at in NXT, but it meant nothing on the main roster. They fired her and brought her back because she was liked backstage. Then they tried Emmalina, which I admit I thought was going to make her a relative star for them, but she couldn't pull that off. Then she whinged about not getting any chances. I thought she might have been done then. They gave her a chance, she does alright, until it's time for her to get someone over, and she can't do it.

That's the job of a heel. Al Snow says it's their one job, but wrestling has broken down and become something a lot less focused than that. But that's what those matches were definitely for. How anyone can argue against that is beyond me. Asuka is making her debut, Emma is there to make her look good.

What is undeniable is that Asuka was less over coming out of these matches than she was going in. You can't tell me those matches got a fever pitch where the crowd was going ape-shit for Asuka finallly beating Emma. There may have been a smattering of applause or whatever, but her biggest pop was on entry because of who she was. Emma made her look worse. By the definition of what a heel worker is supposed to do, she didn't do her job. This is where you can fork, because the question is whether or not this is her fault.

On one hand, I want to lean with Destor. I don't think things are blocked out as exactly as people think they are. I really doubt an agent would have told Asuka to do the Ankle Lock, for example. I don't think Emma would have gone long or anything, but I think the particulars would have been largely up to them. And it didn't work. Twice.

The other side of this is that Emma may not have had as much freedom as we're saying, in which case, she probably should have pushed for a smarter match. She has not been booked well, so the very idea of her going six minutes with Asuka becomes a challenge. There's only so much cache you can have when you've been a joke for so long. But the company has clearly never had plans to use her seriously.

At the very least, I think Emma is at least guilty of not really having the mind to know what she was going to do was going to be suicide. It reminds me of when Bayley cut that promo that the crowd was begging her to stop, and she just kept going. Call it "doing your job" all you want, I think as a performer, an artist, a worker -- or however you want to look at it -- you've got to have good instincts, and Emma displayed that in the ring she just doesn't have them.

If she is responsible for leading those matches, then she's probably not a very good worker, and if the only role you have for her is making other people look good, and she can't do that, then what use is she? It'd be nice if everybody could be the top star in the women's division, but you've only got so many places. Emma is not shooting to the top of their list, so she had to be good in the Val Venis role. Except she wasn't.

Maybe she would have been better off staying in NXT (not that this is the purpose of NXT), or staying babyface, because then other people can make her look good. Maybe she should have been booked better if they want her to be the sort of main roster enhancement girl they want her to be. I keep going to say that it would be tough, but I really don't think it would be if she knew how to work a bit better. If she did the exact match they told her to do, then it is a bit more problematic, because it was doomed to fail in the first place, but then again, Emma was doomed to fail in the first place too.

I feel the need to state that I do subjectively love Emma. I got into her NXT run and I kind of like her style in the ring. She borrows a lot from puroresu and yeah, it's a bit fun. But I completely understand why the WWE cut her. It's been a long time coming.

Alicia Fox, as much as I don't care for the act, with all her screaming and theatrics, would have gotten Asuka over a lot more than Emma did. Think about that -- Alicia Fox is better at her job than Emma.

And, for the record, yes, Dolph did exactly the same shit with Nakamura, and it is as infuriating. He's also killing Bobby Roode on SmackDown. So I wouldn't be surprised if Dolph's name ends up in the release pool either.

You and me are done professionally! :mad:

Don't like the comparison of Dolph and Emma. Dolph has been over before and been at the top of the card. Emma never was.

You can play Dolph as strong and have a more competitive match and still have someone else get the shine for beating him. You can't really say that with Emma; it looked like Asuka was almost struggling with the dregs (that's what Emma is in reality because of booking or whatever) of the womens division. Asuka should have squashed her.

If anything that match made Emma look better and Asuka look like she has been overhyped. There is no way in hell that was the goal. I don't know whos fault that is though, but we can pretty much guarantee it wasn't Asuka. So that leaves either Emma or the agent setting up that match.

I agree with you on the specifics about Dolph, but he's fucking dead in the water, man. He hasn't meant anything in so long. It's a different way to get to nothing, but he's still nothing. And the result is exactly the same -- anyone who wrestles him comes out looking worse; not better. Especially as a heel, his job is to make sure that Nakamura and Roode get more over and that people are more excited to see them than less, but he did absolutely nothing for Naks (actually cooled him) and I couldn't give a fuck about Roode vs. Ziggler. Maybe Roode is super-over now? I'm happy to hear about how piping hot those matches were.

Intellectually, you might be able to head canon Dolph into meaning something more than Emma does, but no one really gives a flying fuck about him.

Can't really argue with that.

I am admittedly a mark for Dolph so I know my perception of him is skewed.

Oh, man, I used to be right with you there on Dolph. He's got his flaws, but the company have fucked him up too. Now he's in that tight spot where he's got to somehow give capital to people without having much himself.

He could have been HUGE.

Probably not mainstream huge, but bigger than he is.

The guy has never had a one-on-one match at WrestleMania.

That's almost criminal.

Why do people (like Noid) keep saying Emma could not pull off Emmilina? That shit was done before Emma was even brought to play the gimmick.