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WWE RAW 11/6/17 feat. Spoilers, Lots of Booing, and A Couple of Surprises or Not

Taped episode this week since its from the UK.

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WWE Raw Preview: Nov. 6, 2017: “Miz TV” kicks off Raw with special guest Kurt Angle in Manchester, England

With just under two weeks until Survivor Series, Monday Night Raw heads across the pond to Manchester, England. Amidst the bedlam surrounding the battle for brand supremacy, Raw General Manager Kurt Angle will kick off the latest episode of the red brand as a guest on “Miz TV,” and Jason Jordan will battle Elias in a Guitar-on-a-Pole Match. Plus, should Team Red be prepared for another SmackDown raid tonight?
Raw Preview : Quick Hits

“Miz TV” kicks off Raw in Manchester with special guest Kurt Angle
Jason Jordan and Elias to battle in a Guitar-on-a-Pole Match
Can Alicia Fox find Superstars to be on her Traditional Survivor Series Team?
Will Kane’s monstrous reign of destruction continue in Manchester?
Will Raw’s titleholders still be standing tall for the Champion vs. Champion Match at Survivor Series?

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DARK SEGMENT:
Some local wanker named Owen White tried to hold a first ever UK Open Challenge Match against anyone from the RAW locker room but got yelled at by Vince who told him to stop slacking off and help finish setting up the stage. Think Vince mistook him for one of RAW's ring crews.

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Originally Posted by PWI

Raw opens up with MizTV featuring Kurt Angle. Angle says that Raw had nothing to do with Kane attacking Daniel Bryan and apologizes that it happened, but reiterates that Smackdown is a "B" show compared to Raw. Miz doesn't believe Angle was innocent and that he owes Curtis Axel an apology for what Braun Strowman did to him last week. Axel is in a neck brace. Kurt makes a match for Miz to face Braun Strowman in response to Miz's taunts.

*Elias vs. Jason Jordan. The crowd wants Elias to sing "Wonderwall" but Elias says he has an original song instead. It's Jordan vs. Elias in a Guitar on a Pole match. The rules are you have to get the guitar and hit your opponent to win. Elias gets it down first. Jordan fights him off and gets it. Jordan hits him and gets the win.

They tease Asuka next.

Kurt Angle talks to the Bar backstage. He gives them a title shot against Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose.

*Asuka destroyed a female competitor who was never announced to the live crowd in a minute. Alicia named Asuka as a member of Team Raw.

*Samoa Joe vs. Titus O'Neil. Joe attacked him. Joe beat him up and demanded a real opponent. This brought out Finn Balor!

*Joe vs. Balor ends up in a double countout I guess. They brawl all the way up to the ramp and end up being broken apart by security and Kurt Angle. Angle tells them to knock it off because as of now, they are members of Team Raw at the Survivor Series.

*Backstage, Kurt Angle names Jason Jordan the fifth and final member of Team Raw.

*Nia Jax & Alicia Fox vs. Bayley & Sasha Banks. Banks and Bayley did a promo backstage saying they want to be on Team Raw. Fox taps out to the Bank Statement. Lots of singing for Bayley during the match. Fox says she wants Sasha on Team Raw. She does not mention Bayley.

*Miz vs. Braun Strowman. Braun is wiping everyone out. Kane comes out. Braun escapes a chokeslam attempt and hits the running powerslam on Kane. Kane sits up. He, Miz and Miztourage attack Braun. Strowman fights them all off and stands tall.

*Renee Young interviews Dean and Seth about their title match tonight, defending against Sheamus and Cesaro.

*WWE Cruiserweight champion Enzo Amore comes out. He cuts a promo about defending against Kalisto at the Survivor Series. Kalisto comes out. He goes and sits in a chair at ringside. Kurt Angle comes out and says Enzo will face WWE UK champion Pete Dunne!! The Bruiserweight is on Raw!

*Pete Dunne pinned Enzo with the Bitter End. Kalisto raises Dunne's arm.

*Video package on Brock vs. Jinder. They announce Brock is returning to Raw next week.

*Charly Caruso interviewed Raw Women's champion Alexa Bliss.

*Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose vs. Cesaro and Sheamus. They have a good back and forth match. Late in the bout, Big E's voice is heard doing the New Day intro and their music plays. They come out through the crowd with microphones. They ask the crowd if they are enjoying this three hour B-show. They bragged that Smackdown attacked Raw and Raw did nothing. They say it's Under Siege Part 2. The entire Raw locker room comes out with Kurt Angle. As all this is going on, Sheamus nails the distracted Ambrose with the Brogue Kick and The Bar win the Raw Tag Team championship.

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Originally Posted by TPWW Frontpage via Triple A

Though the expectation is that Roman Reigns will be back from his illness (mumps) in time for Survivor Series, there is some concern in WWE that there is a chance that he won’t be ready, according to PWInsider.

Reigns is not currently hospitalized but is still recovering and WWE is concerned that he may not be in proper “ring shape” in time for Survivor Series. Reigns was expected to be part of the Team Raw vs. Team SmackDown match.

If Reigns is not ready in time, PWInsider says that WWE’s plan B is rumored to be Jason Jordan, who would team with his “father” Kurt Angle on Team Raw.

tonight is the night

I'll stick around for Braun.

They shouldve taped Bruan walking into the to Ocean get to UK then film him coming back up making land fall in the Tames

Owen White still getting no respect from Vince :(

Miz just destroyed Corbin with that promo.

miz telling it like it is

Weird hearing Miz defend Bryan sort of

Some would say she emasculated Kurt

So they're going to do New Day vs. Shield without Roman Reigns there and with both teams being losers? Okay.

Guitar on a pole match?! Are you kidding?

*scrolls up to read results*

WHO'S GENIUS IDEA WAS THIS?!

*changes channel*.

This "war" could not be colder.

UK crowd a lot more nicer towards The Drifter and his musical masterpieces than the meany US crowds.

Hey owenbrown you hillbilly are you racist against British people?

Jason Jordan's theme very catchy..... always find myself whistling it for 15 minutes after I hear it.....

Shut the fuck up Cole about that 49ers match that was a dark time in wrestling history

"The Cromarties" seems bleak

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Originally Posted by owenbrown (Post 5038556)

Shut the fuck up Cole about that 49ers match that was a dark time in wrestling history

Very racist owenbrown! Just because Jason Jordan is black!!!

Jason Jordan officially turns coat at Survivor Series, betraying daddy and aligning with SmackDown. "I ain't your son."

I feel like Elias is more credible than Jeff Jarrett

The hell?

That guitar shot sounded like a gunshot.

:lol: even with them turning down or trying to drown out the crowd, can still hear them boo Jordan after his win. Supposedly it gets a lot worse for him later in the show.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5038564)

Jason Jordan officially turns coat at Survivor Series, betraying daddy and aligning with SmackDown. "I ain't your son."

The long con

Asuka about to erase another person out of exsistence

bored of asuka already just like nakamura, due to wwe having them be basic ass wrestlers who just have a long entrance...

Zero reaction. Unless the crowd volume is turned waaaaaaaaaaaay down.

seems crazy how every1 is really boring to watch in the ring in WWE except for like AJ Styles... and Jason Jordan imo..........

Asuka looks weird without a title

Random prediction: After going through the WWE rehab program, Jeff Jarrett ends up as an ambassador/part-timer with them. Not predicting a huge WrestleMania match or anything, but I can see him doing backstage work, showing up to hit Elias with a guitar, a random appearance in the Royal Rumble, etc.

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5038575)

seems crazy how every1 is really boring to watch in the ring in WWE except for like AJ Styles... and Jason Jordan imo..........

When I went to the house show here, one of the dudes I went with is not a wrestling fan....... the only time he said "oooh, nice!" to a move was Jason Jordan's double northern lights suplex thing.......

Alicia Foxx piloting the Raw airplane?

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Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 5038574)

Zero reaction. Unless the crowd volume is turned waaaaaaaaaaaay down.

Seems soo since other reports about this show had a lot more vocal "We Want Emma" chants during the Asuka match.

Whatever happened to Akira Tozawa...... is he still alive...... is he still with Titus

Hate when faces say "we love to have fun"

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5038582)

Whatever happened to Akira Tozawa...... is he still alive...... is he still with Titus

He won the Cruiserweight Title, which means he doesn't matter anymore.

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Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5038583)

Hate when faces say "we love to have fun"

I was just thinking last night about what a great babyface Hiroshi Tanahashi is. The dude is so assured of himself. When he comes out and looks at a crowd, he's like a superhero watching over a city.

WWE doesn't know how to do babyfaces. They assume they all need to be underdog morons having fun all the time. It's fucking gross.

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5038575)

seems crazy how every1 is really boring to watch in the ring in WWE except for like AJ Styles... and Jason Jordan imo..........

Everybody wrestles the same match in the same style in the same way. This is how a guy in his rookie years can stand out and show them all up with limited training.

I wonder what is deadlier...... Asuka Lock vs. cockina clutch

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!

Wait, wrong guy.

They also seem to be pushing Asuka dancing all the time like she is having fun....Asuka in NXT was more 'crazy/dangerous'...on RAW she is more cartoonish and 'loves to have fun!'

SAMOA JOE IS SPOILIN' FOR A FIGHT!!

:lol: at Joe being all sweaty after the very brief attack on Titus and Mr Smiley

Samoa Joe loves to have fun!

Also wondering about Tozawa...hope they don't release him and Arya Daivari...really enjoy both more than most of the cruiserweights

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5038588)

I wonder what is deadlier...... Asuka Lock vs. cockina clutch

I have my cock in a clutch right now.

lots of crotch-level camera angles of Finn Balor

@slik

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5038578)

I haven't seen him in singles in such a long time, but Jason Jordan is such a good wrestler. It's a damn shame they gave him this fucking stupid gimmick. American Alpha could be the hottest tag team in wrestling, but they fucked that up.

If they wanted Jason Jordan to be a singles guy, couldn't you just imagine Brock Lesnar killing Chad Gable in a WWE Title match or something. Just imagine we're in a one World Title unified WWE for a second. Brock kills the hearty Chad and Chad plays injured. Jason Jordan stands up for his fallen friend. Brock denies Jordan a title shot. Jordan wins the Royal Rumble to go to WrestleMania and fight for him. Brock plays the bear to Chad Gable's Leonardo DiCaprio a few more times in between. Jordan wins the WWE Title from Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. Chad Gable hobbles out and hugs his best friend and tag team partner...then hits him with the crutch bah gawd.

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5038590)

They also seem to be pushing Asuka dancing all the time like she is having fun....Asuka in NXT was more 'crazy/dangerous'...on RAW she is more cartoonish and 'loves to have fun!'

I don't think the kids can get their hands on mommy's credit card and sign up for WWE Network.

Or know the other concepts of a video game/smart tv device.

I heard Finn Balor is dating Cathy Kelley, which surprises me, because I thought Finn was gay. Cathy Kelley is also a member of MENSA, which means she can't be that smart.

I want to see an Akira Tozawa/Shelton Benjamin team with an aesthetic that feels like it was directed by RZA.

There should be a battle royal at SS for the right to be #30 in the rumble

I think Finn Balor and Noam Dar are dating on the lowkey tbh...

When these guys fought at NXT Takeover: Dallas Finn shit himself during the match:

https://pm1.narvii.com/6291/637fbc3e...7595ab0_hq.jpg

https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/...Yr-600x400.jpg

:eek:

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5038613)

I think Finn Balor and Noam Dar are dating on the lowkey tbh...

Legit? Good for them, but god, I cannot imagine a more boring couple.

Actually, maybe their mutual boringness would be bizarrely hilarious. Like algebra the two negatives cancel each other out.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5038615)

Legit? Good for them, but god, I cannot imagine a more boring couple.

I suespect they might be...idk why....Finn also seems like he could be 100% asexual too tbh

C'mon Finn, you could've stuck the landing.

The guy definitely gives off this vibe like he's not exactly a pussy hound.

RAW might tip into the third page this week -- sounds like a hot edition.

Glad Samoa Joe is back on RAW....have missed his brutal style

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5038599)

They really should have picked Gable instead for the big singles run. Even though neither are that good with promos, he's the better of the two and can connect better with crowds.

Also he's pretty much the reason why Jordan was able to find any success in NXT. Jordan went from someone struggling and likely a good choice to get released to now being a likely favorite of Vince simply because he fits Vince's ideal body image.

British Phonebooth set has gone the way of pyro it seems

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5038626)

British Phonebooth set has gone the way of pyro it seems

Replaced by a cell phone sitting on top of the ramp...... you just can't really see it.......

Gable is marvelous, don't get me wrong, but I don't agree with the assessment on Jordan. It's the popular narrative, and I've heard Meltzer say it, but just because Jordan wasn't doing anything doesn't mean they didn't think he could do anything. He was fluffing about like Tye Dillinger was, then they split them, then they had him hover around to do the Chad Gable stuff. I think Jordan's always been on their "let's go somewhere with this guy" radar, it was just a matter of timing.

Feel like Miz could become this generation's Chris Jericho over time

Miz is nowhere near as good as Jericho.

If you just mean win lots of IC Titles, then yeah.

Was Jericho where he is now in 1999? Nope, he was just really good on the mic...give Miz time and he might surpass Y2J

Wish Edge was on Raw so he could feud with Samoa Joe

Would have loved for Neville to say "fuck this" to the cruiserweights, beat up Enzo and then move onto a program against Miz. Neville just fucking up Miz and waltzing out with the IC Title would have been pretty tremendous.

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5038634)

Was Jericho where he is now in 1999? Nope, he was just really good on the mic...give Miz time and he might surpass Y2J

Jericho was more than just good on the mic in 1999, come on now.

Nia Jax should get repackaged as Miz's Ralphus

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5038630)

Feel like Miz could become this generation's Chris Jericho over time

Could argue he already is at least in regards to being a very reliable star for the midcard whenever needed by the WWE like Jericho was for the WWE. Only big negative for that comparison is Jericho was way better in terms of in-ring skills.

Jericho had a reputation, right, wrong or otherwise, for being a legit guy that had cut his teeth all over the world. He was charismatic as hell, the hottest prospect in the business at the time (go back and hear what Meltzer was saying about the guy), and was seen as an all-rounder. Miz is a good promo in a sea of bad promos.

Miz has been with the WWE for 13 years now and is still pretty bad in the ring.

Kofi Kingston is coming up to 10 years on the main roster too. Dolph Ziggler has been popping in and out for 12.

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5038634)

Was Jericho where he is now in 1999? Nope, he was just really good on the mic...give Miz time and he might surpass Y2J

Miz seems horrible in the ring tbh... hate all his matches and feel like I just stop paying attention

Really good on "the mic" but seems like one of the most overrated people in WWE due to how much ppl "rave about him" imo

Hawkins and Ryder have been main roster for 10 years now. There's no excuse for how bad Ryder still is, haha.

wonder if Dark One is watching this right now

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5038648)

Hawkins and Ryder have been main roster for 10 years now. There's no excuse for how bad Ryder still is, haha.

Remind me again which of them is on a 100 and something losing streak?

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5038650)

Remind me again which of them is on a 100 and something losing streak?

Hawkins. Much better than Ryder in the ring, but somehow even blander as a personality.

They decided to "push" Ryder (you could argue that the intention really wasn't there) about five years after he had any sort of relevance. This company can be so fucking weird.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5038651)

Hawkins. Much better than Ryder in the ring, but somehow even blander as a personality.

Say what you will, but Ryder has been far and away the better and more successful of the two. It's not his fault Vince can't remember how to build new stars anymore.

Tye Dillinger first appeared on WWE TV almost a decade ago too. He's been doing "The Perfect 10" gimmick for two years now.

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5038653)

Say what you will, but Ryder has been far and away the better and more successful of the two. It's not his fault Vince can't remember how to build new stars anymore.

Better how? More successful? Definitely. But they tried with Ryder, perhaps not in the way they should have, but they did try. He can't talk, he can't act (which shouldn't be a requisite) and the dude can barely fucking wrestle. I used to have the time stamp in my head, but go and watch the Ladder Match at WrestleMania 32 and watch him walk into Cody's spinning ladder. He's a fucking lemming.

If Heyman had gotten his hands on a Zack Ryder in a hypothetical universe, he'd have realized that Ryder sucks in the ring, sucks in any sort of promo environment where he's supposed to be taken seriously and he'd have hidden those deficits about as well as anybody could while Ryder used the internet to get himself over. Like Heyman fooled Meltzer with Sabu, Ryder would be seen as the best worker in the business until he took a Vince paycheck and people saw that he sucked. But there is a universe where Ryder is significant. It's not this one though.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5038652)

They decided to "push" Ryder (you could argue that the intention really wasn't there) about five years after he had any sort of relevance. This company can be so fucking weird.

Seemed like it wasn't and Ryder getting people to sign a petition is the only reason he got to win the United States Championship.

When Vince couldn't understand that he actually had crowd appeal he was forced to randomly drop it 16 days later.

Fast forward a few years. He is a surprise entry in the IC ladder match and wins, only to lose it to Miz the next night on RAW, because Vince doesn't "get" him again.

Call me insane, but he DEFINITELY deserves a main event run.

They really did mess with the crowd volume for this show. Other reports for this show had the crowd booing a lot at Sasha winning and Bayley not getting picked for Team RAW.

Same for the booing that happened but wasn't audible when Jordan was picked for Team RAW.

Also, if Zack's such a horrible promo, why the fuck did they let him have his own Internet reality show, complete with a custom Internet Championship?

I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time or anything but he's better than you give him credit for, Noid. It also kinda debunks your theory that he can't act. His show would never have lasted as long as it did if that was true.

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5038661)

Also, if Zack's such a horrible promo, why the fuck did they let him have his own Internet reality show, complete with a custom Internet Championship?

Zack did that all by himself

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5038657)

Vince would not cater to a petition, haha. I'm sure there was one, but Vince did a bit of smark service to see how things would go. He got the belt, they put him out there, and he blew his fucking promo. He got 29 days with the US Title actually and it was nothing.

Fast forward a few years and you get exactly my point. Ryder hasn't meant anything in years, he gets inserted into a clusterfuck match that really could have just been Zayn vs. Owens and the boys beg Vince to let him win the match because they're marks these days or whatever. The plan was never to go with him and it's a perfect demontrastion of why the IC Title means NOTHING.

How can you say he definitely deserves a main event run seriously? By what criteria? I mean, who "deserves" a main event run? Participation awards are why a lot is meaningless these days. But Ryder hasn't even proven himself good enough to handle a mid-card run let alone a main event run.

God damnit, Cole. Just admit it. Braun Strowman is superhuman and nothing can stop him.

Not ambulance crashes, not a ring imploding, not a dozen chairs falling from the ceiling, not being scooped inside a garbage truck, NOTHING.

Did I miss anything?