IT HAS BEGUN - The #7Deities have WOKEN my #BROKENBrilliance
 

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I still think WWE is going to botch this, but with this being on Matt's channel and even Senor Bejamin references, maybe they have just said to Matt "Ah fuck it, go nuts". I shall follow this and give it a fair shot. I'm interested enough to watch it, which is more than I can say for anything else WWE is currently doing.

Even for the people that don't like the gimmick, if it results in Reby on TV, it's a win for everyone.

Vince will be scripting Broken promos before all is said and done.

"VANGUARD, YOU'RE A BASTARD!"

Matt Hardy: "I love to have fun"

meanwhile in Impact....

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"We did this for the WWE Universe"

Booker: "Ha HA! Look at Woken dance with the 7 Deities you know what I'm saying they love having fun!"

Wonder what will happen to Jeff when he comes back. The "easy" answer is he'll come back, wonder why Matt's lost it, and feud. But I feel like people don't really want to see the Hardys feud again.

Instead I'd bring him back as Brother Nero. Give the Broken Hardys a run for a few months. Then I guess after Mania you can send Jeff over to SmackDown in the Draft/Shake Up and he'll normalize and get a main event run there.

Meltzer says he's coming in Obsolete too. Don't know if it will be instant, but the current plan is allegedly they're on the same team.

Thats the saddest thing Ive read all day

I look forward to WWE ruining this. Hopefully we get the whole Broken family with Senor Benjamin, Skarsguard and Vanguard 1. Could see Hardy running with on twitter more so than on WWE TV.

Vince will definitely think Senor Benjamin is Shelton Benjamin... and hilarity (and sadness) will ensue.

What's the over/under that Bray Wyatt falls into the Lake of Reincarnation, and returns to being Husky Harris?

I'm so erect at this idea... So no chance.

This made me laugh so much harder than the actual gimmick will.

Fuck this.

"I'm here for these people"

This should be Token Matt Hardy where he just has brief appearances every Monday night

lol that'd actually be amazing.

Everybody gets one, Droford.

Sunken Matt Hardy - unsuccessful battleship captain
Taken Matt Hardy - he doesn't have any money but he does have a very specific set of skills

...and you ruined it.

Droken Matt Hardy: relentlessly touts about how amazing Baltimore sports teams are despite any and all evidence to the contrary

Matt Hardy: He sucks and fuck him and everyone shut up

You could just not open the thread and go about your day, or you could spout wrong opinions like a little bitch. Up to you really ��

I have to make sure no one is doing anything uncouth in here.

No, I'm just naked as usual.

Uncouth is how I roll.

"Oh my god Matt Hardy has woken, what's he gonna do now ?"

Massive yawn fest feud with Bray Wyatt till Jeff gets back.

Vince - "Hmm This isn't working, get Edge to sleep with his wife"

Followed by the return of The Hardy Boys... continuous losses.

"Matt and Jeff have returned to the Impact Zone"

Something along those lines.

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So fucking bad.

If he's #woken his "delete" shtick should be changed to "sleep! Sleep!"

Mr Sandman Hardy

lol @ woken

They should have saved the Woken name for when he snaps out of being Broken but isn't back to being regular Matt yet.

Matt Hardy does not have the range or the talent to portray that level of nuance, haha.

He did do something similar with the amnesia part of the Broken storyline in Impact where he wasn't Broken nor regular Matt for a few weeks.

That sounds awful. I guess I'll see for myself tonight.

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So do people just like it because he talks funny and says odd words? Like, what is cool about him talking to a gardener, calling porn "literature," and using the word "paramount?"

Well I mean you're missing his lobster bisque, which is outrageous.

I am looking forward to this.

Same reason people like B movies.

He is the wrestling gimmick equivalent of The Room.

That actually makes a lot of sense

I had him peggednlike Ellsworth. People liking him ironically

It wasn't just liking it ironically just to go against the grain... the gimmick also had an advantage of being both an intentionally laughable trainwreck AND the most entertaining shit in TNA compared to what the company was doing themselves.

I'm hoping Jeff does return to being Brother Nero in original context, where he actually changed up his moves and was more like Matt's heavy/lackey, but I'm sure that even if he was, he'd be back to shirts off and jumping off shit inside two or three matches.

I also hope that they teleport/time travel (which was a thing in #broken canon - it's how they vacated their TNA titles and ended up being able to challenge The Bucks of Youth) and end up in SRW to challenge for the Tag Titles in the 80's so that they can continue their pursuit to become the greatest tag champions in all of space and time.

That's the worst thing I've ever read

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That is what makes it great.
Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.

Enjoy it for being awful...

Yeah, that's the thing with shit like this. It reminds me of when I used to deliberately write shit short stories in high school thinking I was a bad-ass like a Chuck Palanuik or something. It's called 15-year-old boy syndrome, and it's frowned upon in every single art form you can find, because people usually grow up and see it for what it is.

Doing something to intentionally be bad is actually just bad. If you've got it in you to do something good, do something good instead. Stuff like The Room and John Waters' old campy movies got over because they weren't trying to be bad. It's a rule of camp that there's a sincerity to it. The thing is that the WWE has the largest budget in the world, so there's no way this can be kids trying to get over in the backyard sincerely. These are grown-ass men with arrested development.

I think this Broken stuff says something about the state of wrestling. I really do. When someone shits in your mouth and you think it tastes good, what have you been eating all this time? If wrestling were good then people wouldn't be marking out for someone taking the piss out of it and doing everything they can to make it look as bad as it can to be "different" and "refreshing."

The sad thing is that Jeff Hardy can actually be a star. He's proven that time and time again. And now that there are only hardcores, and they are so dulled by wrestling, they're not going to let it go if he doesn't fuck around as "Brother Nero" (Get it?!? He's Matt's brother and his middle name is "Nero!") for a good few months of his remaining good years.

It makes me laugh. Beyond that who cares?

But that's the thing, there is sincerity to it. The original parts of this until after the contract signing weren't played for laughs, it was done with total seriousness.

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After that, they knew it was shit and leant into it, but because the roots are in this awful, but hilarious character, that still has come out.

I've not watched the Raw segment yet, but I get your point as to why this can't be pulled off within the confines of WWE and I totally agree with you there. This needs dramatic drone shots of House Hardy and be filmed using handheld cameras with outtakes left in such as Matt trying to roll out the ring in that contract signing video. They need to just give Matt an end goal and permission to film 10 minute segments. With how bad the rest of Raw is, it won't bring down the average quality no matter what he sends in.

But the other side is WWE's idea of him being a star is to just continue letting him take his shirt off and jump off shit ad nauseum. Guess he can't win, huh?

And let's be honest, nothing he does can be as bad as that nonsensical copycat Wyatt Family/New Day segment they tried to pull on the heels of this stuff.

Yep. I can like Shawshank Redemption and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and still consider myself a fan of movies. Works in watching wrestling, too.

Pretty lame way to debut it, tbh

I don't think the Matt Hardy part was bad, it kind of explained it to the crowd while not boring those that already know of it. Crowd popped for it and there was laughing too, just dumb to do this cutwith a Wyatt promo.

I'm mostly curious if this just becomes a WWE character or if he does get segments of all the out of the ring stuff. After the New Day/Wyatt and the House of Horrors match, I think Vince really does want that kind of segment on his show ESPECIALLY with Bray.... I just think it will be as shit as those things.

Yeah, I'd have preferred if it had just been Matt. Seemed odd to have Bray talking about what a madman Hardy was before he'd even done his first crazy promo.

Still, I don't think it was bad. Hopefully they just let these two come up with their own shit for this program. If nothing else it'll be more inspired and thoughtful than most WWE booking.

I like that he explained why he's now WOKEN in a way that actually makes sense rather than them just arbitrarily picking a word that rhymes with Broken and never addressing it.

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but nope. It's just a case of nope. You are right in that Raw is painful, so it may not hurt. But it will not help unless it does draw in 15-year-old boys who don't spend any money and won't stick around.

Yeah, but you don't screen them one after the other on the same channel and have both in the running for the Oscar. You also don't pay to see one at the cinema or watch one with people who don't like shitty movies. That's a really loose and weak analogy, to be honest.

It's like saying "I like fighting, so they should put Leonardo from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles against Connor McGregory. Because fighting is fighting."

The thing is that one worked and the other one isn't going to. And the answer is "No. Not everybody can win. That's life and performance-based business. Deal with it."

As long as it makes you laugh.

Sorry, but this shit is so fucking gross and why wrestling is in a hole and looked down upon.

Gross like mustard?

Noid if you aren't entertained by it then don't watch. It's that simple. You are turning into a reverse Cynick, bitching just to bitch. It seems to me from the way the crowd was popping for it that they want to give it a shot. You're the outlier here.

Some people can laugh at this crap and get enjoyment out of the absurdity of it. It isn't our problem that you can't.

Yeah, I'm not impressed by the mindset of these crowds. They fall for the first attempt at a finish in a match, chant "You deserve it" at Naomi and are dwindling in number. I find it odd I am called an outlier when most people aren't watching. Most wrestling fans aren't watching. Most people who watch Raw, statistically, couldn't possibly know what this is. That's who are in these crowds.

Funny thing is, the Bray Wyatt vidoe already has 900,000 views, which is almost more than any Broken Matt Hardy video has ever gotten. Be careful what you wish for...

Noid, I'll never understand why you spend time shitting on this stuff. It's clearly not your cup of tea, and you don't seem to have a financial stake in it. Why not just ignore it?

Wrestling in America is and always will be looked down upon. Even at it's most popular, it still has that carny stink to people who don't watch it.

Oh no, because if they didn't run with this angle, the show with the dude who turns into a demon for pay per views, the Olympic gold medalist with a black son given to him as a rib, the cross dressing furry preacher that may be possessed by a demon and a dude thst emerges from garbage trucks would be so great.

It's not even a straw thst breaks the camels back, it's more entertaining than all of that (potentially)

You and me both.

I don't think it's supposed to be BAD. I think it's supposed to be over the top. I also think Noid's problem seems to stem from the fact that it's presented with wrestling that doesn't match up with the "world" it exists in. Which is debatable. But wrestling sucks now. So I can just watch whatever Matt's doing and not give a fuck about context.

If I were to watch a full Raw now, I wouldn't be thinking "What is this weird Matt Hardy shit doing in the middle of my wrestling show?" I'd be thinking "What is this horrible wrestling show doing interrupting my glorious Matt Hardy skits?"

Just wondering, Noid: did you really miss the point of my posts, or are you just trolling because you want to hammer home without a shadow of any doubt that you don't happen to be a fan of the #broken business?

Pulling two random "fighters" - one of whom is a total work of fiction, and another who is a flesh and blood UFC fighter and loosely bridging them because "fan of fighting" isn't exactly the same thing as comparing two movies. A better one - and one I would have made - would have been to say that if I were that "fan of fighting" I like both boxing and mma.

Either way, you seem way too perplexed that people could like a thing you don't... and yes, I'm the same person who has never been super high on HHH or never saw the supposed value of Eva Marie in any capacity; that people who like the Broken Matt do so just to be contrarian and/or edgy as there is no other conceivable reason for anyone to find it endearing or entertaining in any way.

... the same "world" where Kurt Angle has an illegitimate mulato son, Undertaker is a zombie biker priest who can control lightning indoors and is led by a magical urn, and people aren't sure if Dusty Rhodes and The Midnight Rider are the same person or not.

I count myself among those who just don't get the Matt Hardy thing and its appeal. Whatever, though...... I guess it does make me go from "ugh Matt Hardy I just don't care" to "ugh Matt Hardy this is cringeworthy but at least I am paying attention to it?"

Yeah. I'm saying that whole argument isn't even relevant to begin with though. Even if the "worlds" were totally different, WWE still sucks and if something that is entertaining comes along, I'm not gonna be too worried about whether it matches up with WWE's "world". I'm gonna watch that thing and ignore the other shit. If WWE were to actually start putting out a compelling product again, THEN we can get to whether Matt fits in and if he's a detriment to the rest of the show or not.

#woken

Noid acts like wrestling has some moral code and the gimmick breaks it somehow. Wrestling is not above anything as it has proved over the years. There is not set standard in wrestling that makes it good or bad as it mostly subjective and tries to appease many different demographics. One of the main reason the Broken gimmick works is because its came during a time when wrestling is trying to be too serious and people actually want to see something that they don't see every week. It's also something that a talent came up with themselves and not the same old dull writing that come from creative.

I think Bray is perfect to debut the character with but I also feel that alot of the aspects that made Broken Hardy work should have been used for him. They've tried to give him the supernatural powers but never pulled the trigger. I think it'd be beneficial to Wyatt to actually join Hardy instead of the other way around. If Wyatt joins Hardy and begins to please the 7 Deities, then they might start to favor him more than Hardy. I just hope it does something for Wyatt in the long haul.

Your argument is that things that also aren't good means that other things not good should be considered good? Okay. I hate all those things listed. You're completely misrepresenting my position for your convenience, but you've got nothing else, so of course you are.

And this is not going to help with that.

You always do this. I'm a numbers guy. I like thinking about why stuff does and doesn't work. And I like talking about wresting and how it could be better, worse, etc. Just because you don't get that doesn't mean I am wrong for doing it. The gross irony is that your critique of my critiquing is just as offensive as mine could possibly be, and that never seems to register with you. If you don't like thinking about that sort of stuff, don't think about it. But how dare you tell someone they are wrong for pointing out what they think is wrong without any appreciation of the irony.

Ding, ding ding -- #fan gets it again. There's a reason he's one of the best posters here. I don't like the hokey shit. I appreciated irony in wrestling for a tiny bit when I had trouble controlling my erections, but then I grew up. But I've always hated hokey. I hate large portions of what The Undertaker has done because of this. I hate a large part of what Braun Strowman is doing now because of this. It's cute that people are trying to use that against me in order to try and portray me as a WWE apologist or something.

Where you and I differ is that I think wrestling sucks, but I'm not going to enjoy watching someone piss on a goat just because the rest is shit. It is possible for Braun Strowman being crushed in a trash compactor and Matt Hardy being a geek to both be completely shit. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

And that's why you're the only supporter of this that has ever made any sense to me, because at least you just say "I enjoy it" and can identify that it's enjoyment comes from complete dissatisfaction with the rest of wrestling, instead of some fucking barely cohesive explanation about why it is actually good and why apparently I'm a freak because I don't think a guy pulling funny faces and doing funny voices in lieu of anything substantive is compelling.

I honestly haven't had my brain cells lowered so much as these fucking conversations about Broken Matt Hardy. It's trash. Fuck supporting this shit, it is literally why we can't have nice things. I try not to offend people personally with this, but it really makes me uncomfortable how...stupid people are about this. It's really, really stupid.

I addressed your analogy and I don't think it was very good. This is not boxing and MMA. Both at least try to take themselves a little seriously. Well, MMA does. I could say that this is more like comparing the films of Spielberg to a German porn director who might even be able to tell you where to get some snuff. Anyone can pull a random analogy out of their ass. I'm not convinced by yours and I explained why I don't think it contextually applies.

No, I'm not perplexed as to why people could like a thing I don't. There are plenty of things I like that people don't, and there are plenty of things that people like that I don't. Stop trying to toss that blanket over this. I am disgusted by this, like I would be backyard wrestling, or low-level porn where you're not sure the actors didn't get paid in anything but drugs. I don't mind if people love Casablanca or trashy B-movies or whatever. I'm not talking about that -- I'm talking about this hack shit and it being presented in the mainstream.

Matt Hardy is not MMA. He's not boxing. He's not even your mother's fucking Tai Chi class.

I hope Vanguard 1 reappears. Well, I at least hope he got over his drinking problem first. Poor little drone.

Should swoop in and attack Bray as he is delivering a spooky promo.

Vanguard 1 entering the Royal Rumble would blow the roof off of the fucking building.

Also I can't help but picture Frank Grimes when I read Noid's posts about Matt Hardy. I hope for his safety that there are no open electrical circuits around.

No he's a wrestler and they have gimmicks in wrestling. Do you want wrestling to be presented like MMA and boxing?

Please quote where I said you were wrong to have a different opinion. You can't because I have never said that, but it's the narrative you love to push on me.

Being a numbers guy is fine. It's not that I "don't get that," but again you love to spin it to make me seem like a moron because you're a dick.

You clearly just come into threads like these to bitch about how everyone is terrible for enjoying something that you don't. I just don't see how this is a good time for you.

Personally yes

I see the broken character as a comedy act for smarks. Santino was for kids, Broken Matt is for adults, except Matt can actually wrestle. Theres a place for him on the card. Not everything can be super serious. Wrestling is about entertainment right?