Which was worse, WCW or TNA/Impact?
 

So which was worse, WCW or TNA/Impact?

Impact has now been around longer then WCW was and is still going. Impact has in the last few years had some bade reviews and so did WCW at the end of its time. While Impact has not reached the heights that WCW did, its still in business.

WCW was good. I think its revisionist history that it was trash.

It was bad at times but the same can be said for every promotion ever

TNA/Impact was/is worse

WCW was only bad the last few years of it's existence.

TNA Impact.

Some of the matches were still great though even then. DDP, Booker T, Steiner, Benoit were allhaving killermatches at the top of the card and there was loads of talent in the undrcard.

You speak as if Impact isnt around. WCW was alot better but TNA Impact has outlived them.

TNA Impact only existed after wcw so they haven't outlived them. You could argue it's WCW's bastard son.

TNA is better because at one point they had Christian and he was their top champ.

Doink outlived Savage.

I could argue that since WCW was dead its impossible for them to father that bastard. Also if someone is born and dies before me, I can't outlive them?

WCW was better. They were at one point the top promotion in the world with a roster knee deep in talent and huge main event stars.

TNA/Impact has never been anything more than a low rent wannabe that's never gotten past being a minor league promotion where washed up guys go or guys who didn't succeed elsewhere wander into to find themselves.

And even with the "stars" they do create, they lose. Aj Styles is their greatest accomplishment but he's found greater success in Japan and is now the E's top face and easily their best performer. EC3 might be their second greatest accomplishment and he's gone and back in the E.

They've done jack shit considering the amount of time and money that's been invested in them.

Are you going to say you outlived Abraham Lincoln?

If you impregnated someone then immediately died, you're still their father.

WCW 2000 is worst than anything TNA/Impact ever did

Not as bad as backtard wrestling

LOOSE CANNON!

WCW at the end was awesome, but then, I was a 14 year-old mark in 2001.

Well I haven't yet but I hope I do.

Yeah but WCW died over a year before TNA was born.

WCW was great overall. I'll go back and watch more WCW then WWE, especially from like 93-97. I just preferred it more.

WCW 2000 is what really blew.

Wcw had an extended run of legitimate success. TNA/Impact never has. I'm not sure what comparison there is.

TNA was created in a efort to villl the void WCW left...this isnt a radical notion

i would agree with this. i think, to me at least, the bad writing and angles really over shadows some of the matches.

Like i get 1995 had Dungeon of Doom, but given it was 95 and we were used to seeing Hogan take on these larger then life characters...so it made sense to me

The shit WCW pulled later on just made no sense

True. But once they moved away from that and went more serious with the nwo invasion, the cruiserweight stuff, the horseman drama, etc, with stuff intertwining, it was incredibly compelling television over a number of years. Which you can't say about TNA/Impact at any point.

WCW ruled until early 1999 or so. By late 1999 it was barely recognizable.

I actually just watched a random episode of Nitro from November 1999 and it was barely recognizable. They would do like five or six rapid fire backstage segments in a row and there was just so much shit going on and it was all Russorific. Among the stuff I can remember.

-Vince Russo (from behind, before he formally debuted onscreen)
-Clean-shaven Harris Twins wrestling in suits as Creative Control
-The Mamalukes taking Gene Okerlund to a strip club
-Gene Okerlund dancing with a dozen women
-Jeff Jarrett hitting Mike Tenay with a guitar
-Chavo Guerrero awkwardly filling in for Mike Tenay for the rest of the show
-Multiple segments showing infighting among the Nitro Girls
-Atrocious acting from The Total Package and Miss Elizabeth
-A Brian Knobbs promo
-A billion vignettes of Symphony (Ryan Shamrock) receiving presents from The Maestro
-Oklahoma

And among the matches - I saw Dr. Death facing Jerry Only from The Misfits in a steel cage, and Juventud Guerrero beating Jushin Thunder Liger for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship via smashing him over the head with a bottle of tequila.

Just batshit crazy stuff.

I'm not saying it is and I agree. Just messing with Dale and his illogical analogy.

TNA.

Only real advantage it has over WCW is they managed to seriously screw up a lot more but not have the "death nail" occur yet. When WCW had their major screwups, their demise happened quickly afterwards.

Their highs never reach comparable levels as WCW's and same for their status as the #2 promotion. ROH's owners being very stingy with finances is a big reason why they've never managed to supplant TNA/Impact as the #2 company in the US.

Debatable but lets give you that point.


Does WCWs exceptionally bad year out rank the lifespan of bad or meh from TNA when you account for the ABSOLUTELY GREAT that WCW did over the years?

The only thing TNA has ever had over WCW or WWEwas the knockouts division.

Otherwise they can't be compared to WCW because theyve never gotten out of the starting blocks and Where WCW had the money to cover its fuckups TNA's problems are always on full display.

I'll give them this though they are unkillable.

I know that the last year in WCW was bad, but some of the early 90's stuff was pretty bad too.

TNA is in a bad spot at the moment. At this rate the NWA will take over them and compete with ROH for the numger 2 spot

WCW had a great 1 and a half years. Their highs were way higher than TNA, but their lows were way lower than TNA. With the amount of resources WCW had, there's no way they should have been that bad. Not by a mile. WCW 2000 was unwatchable. I can't say that about any year in TNA.

TNA has gotten a lot better since Don and Scott took over. Much more realistic game plan.

I think you're being farrrr too harsh to say 18 months but its bit subjective so I wont argue the point too fiercely outside of saying I think the WCW product was pretty great from the bulk of 96 to 99 and a good product pre-96 to its inception. With a clear low point at the end.

WCW became awful after Starrcade 97. It was awesome from mid 96 until December 97. Then it just went downhill in a hurry.

Really disagree with that. But Starcade 97 is def the most influencial PPV of all time imo and did kill the company. They still had great matches and moments after. It wasnt like Nitro was a 3hr raging dumpster fire.

I started with WCW. And even when I started watching WWF, I still preferred WCW, because we only got WWF on a German channel with German commentary.

But on topic, WCW used to be the best. Impact is and was just laughable.

Impact has had abot 20 shows in their decade(s?) of product that were good never mind great.

Impact is what WCW would have been more or less if it kept going anyway. But Impact is by far worse than WCW.

I second this opinion.

I was curious about AJ Styles’ last match in TNA, so I looked it up and holy fuck! Clusterfuck doesn’t even begin to describe it

Ummm, what the hell is going on here?

No DQ? So many people interfere and then the ref just refuses to make the count?

I'm puzzled.

Who's the little shit the ref knocked down? How is this a wrestler?

He's like 60 pounds wet and wearing boots.

Also, Sting is a dumbass. There's like 60 guys interfering on the other dude's behalf and he locks one of them in the Scorpion Deathlock? How in the fuck is he helping AJ this way?

Hahaha, AJ has the other guy in a submission hold and that guy's lackeys keep beating down the ref instead of helping him get out of it?

TNA, you are beautiful.

(live commentary as I watch)

He was Rockstar Spud in TNA/Impact, but now he's signed to WWE as the G.M. of 205 LIVE as Drake Maverick.

Yeah, I don't know how either company came up with either of those weird, awful names for him either, poor guy.

Think he was known as Rockstar Spud previous to TNA.

Impact, dead for reasons unknown to them. End game WCW is a good .4 to .7 over what WWE is running right now if they're in business.

Crazily enough TNA wrestling was founded 9.5 months after WCW folded
Yes I know I'm lying

Damn. People were still going to TNA at that point. Why did AJ have no friends? Crazy. But that is how I always figured no dq matches should go. Everyone would just come and beat the crap out of the guy they didn't like.

If I can be serious for a minute.... There was a brief time where I regularly watched TNA and enjoyed it more than WWE.

I watched it regularly from around mid 2006-mid 2007 and enjoyed it a lot more than the WWE product of the time.

(And it wasn't ALL Christian related as to why)

Don't lie

It certainly didn't hurt

I too fondly remember those times. Shame it didn’t last.

How are backtards alllowed to post at all?

It was god awful. Magnus got nothing out of it and AJ deserved better than that.

What do you have against these young, up and coming indie guys?

LolTNA, never knew how many sides their ring should have. What as joke of a fed

HEY NOW,Robb Banks was the single greatest wrestler to ever grace a ring backyard or otherwise.

I think what a lot of people have to realise, is that WCW was viable competition for the WWE (pre 1999) when the WWE (WWF at the time) was at its peak. TNA haven't come even close to competing with the WWE even when the WWE was at its lowest points.

The AJ part of it was pretty good. He had lost a match a year before with the stipulation being he couldn't challenge for the title for a year and became a loner. Then ended up winning the BFG Series and the Championship from Bully Ray but wasn't under contract. Believe that ended Aces & 8's as well. Dixie tried to get him to sign a contract but he wouldn't and took the championship around the world defending it. Dixie then created a new title and the dumbest match ever a Dixieland Match which Magnus won. AJ signed a one night contract to do that match and then went to ROH a few months before his New Japan run.

WCW had the nitro party tape competition, thats gpoingbto put it above tna

I found a great WCW podcast by former WCW producer Neal Pruitt. Lots of cool WCW stories from a different perspective.

http://wcwmondaynitropodcast.libsyn.com/

The Tony Schiavone podcast is also a good listen

Eh, I didn't really care for it that much. Mostly because of Conrad.

Conrad is marrying ric flair's daughter.


I bet you he's the Flair family's meal ticket.

Or the Money Mark

well yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at.

Conrad seems like a nice guy though-- just sort of a weeny.

How about something to wrestle with.........Bruce Prichard

TNA/IMpact. I legit enjoyed Nitro even at it's absolute worst, but I couldn't handle Impact afttwr Hogan appeared in TNA

It's awful. Spawned a bunch of WWE reddit fan neckbeards who think Jerry Jarrett is a joke and Dave Meltzer is full of it. Meanwhile it's coming from one of the biggest bullshitters around.

it's one of those podcasts you have to take for what it's worth. You can tell more from bruce's lies and bullshit than when he thinks he's telling the truth.

And the fake arguements/ outrage from Conrad and the horrible impressions aside from Bruce's Dusty. Plus Bruce is lying half the time so what's the point of listening?

Well here's the thing. He's from Vince's old inner circle. He kind of gives an interesting window into the weird stockholm syndrome Vince's "peeps" suffer from.

He's annoying but lovable in his own way. Same with Conrad. I'm not listening to the podcast expecting the straight dope... just a chance to look back at shows I grew up watching.

It's far from my favourite podcast. Like very far. But it's very enjoyable listening to Bruce try and defend terrible booking decisions or tow the company long after the fact.

Conrad's appeal is that he is such a fucking mark. Such a mark... that he has pretty much paid wrestling personalities to be his friend. He's almost giddy to be doing it. And even though he's annoying, he seems like a teddy bear.

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TNA, by and large, has been worse. WCW was actually something. When it went off the rails, it really went off the rails, but it is revisionist history and the WWE does dumb shit like they are doing now. Like, they wouldn't be getting away with their stale product if there was competition. And people like to laugh at WCW pushing old guys, but look at that Survivor Series main event. We're about to enter a PPV where the legitimate choices to headline are a repeat of a match that didn't achieve what it was supposed to three years ago; a mixed tag featuring two old guys, a non-wrestler and a green girl; and a match between an old guy and a dude with one foot out the door four or so years later than it should have been.

Honestly, modern WWE might be worse than WCW, and TNA is only worse because it exists in this other universe where you can't really take it seriously in retrospect.