Poll: Is Monday Night Raw the worst show on television?
 

Please vote in poll above.






*note from author* this does not include other WWE properties such as NXT and Smackdown which are quite enjoyable.

The answer is Married at First Sight.

Nope.

There is plenty worse Maury,anything MTV related,Anything on BET.

Good discussion starter, STD. Thank you for responding. Question re: Married at First Sight. Does someone yell “Boss Time” when the couples first come out?

No but they should yell out 'MISTAKE'

Hmm. Interesting. Do their “segments” remind you of elementary school kids putting on skits?

I get you are trying to make a point, but there are hundreds of worse shows.

It's not even the worse show on USA Networks.

Great comment. Looking forward to your list.

Let’s talk about the reasons to watch Raw. I’ll start:

1) I used to watch it when I was younger.

2) I've had a crush on Stephanie McMahon since 1999.

it is at least close to the worst. Can't make it through a segment. And it has nothing to do with it being wrestling. I can enjoy a house show from 1983 from the philly spectrum of msg in its entirety because of the authenticity and atmosphere.

The McMahons should be ashamed at what they've turned raw into. It is despicably bad television.

There are maybe 10 good shows on television, every other show on TV is the list. Try tvguide.com any day you want, there is your list of worse shows.

At least as far as scripted television goes, minute for minute, it HAS to be considered.

Are you saying Raw is one of the 10 best shows on TV? That’s the only way that every other show would be on the list of worse shows than Raw.

Considering the sheer amount of work it takes to even run the show from a production standpoint...fucking hell I feel bad the crew has to do all that shit week in week out only to churn out such a lousy product.

Well, since you threw that "minute for minute" qualifier in there, it might just be... since most of the time is ads with a lot of shit segments in between. And occasionally a good match, which used to be the point of this shit.

Some of that production bloat might be part of the problem, Vito. Especially when it comes to the "writing".

Raw is really bad but there is a lot of shit tv out there that is worse.... Total Divas for instance

Look, I know your whole gimmick is being a racist twat and all, but BET is pretty low-hanging fruit. Hell, The Boondocks picked that apart like a decade ago (Aaron himself has always been super critical even when he was just doing the strip years before that), and that wasn't even when that network was at its worst.

And if you're going to take that shot, you have to concede that Lifetime is worse. Everything on there is either a love "comedy" set at Christmas, or of a woman who is "trapped" in an abusive and/or cheating doucebag relationship. That's it. They made a whole network based on the premise that all men are assholes... unless it's the holiday season when you should shack up with one.

You are missing the point, I am not saying Raw isn't mostly bad right now, but it is better than the majority of TV shows because that is how shitty most everything on TV is.

Not counting other wrestling shows, I would feel confident saying Raw is the 11th best show on TV.

Considering all the bullshit reality shows about every kind of job, stupid D list whores, and a bunch of different karaoke shows, that alone proves Raw is not the worst show on TV.

The poll question is flawed, because no, as bad as Raw can be, I'd still rather watch Corbin vs Crews 100% of the time over something like Keeping up with the Kardashians or Teen Mom. Raw at its worst is better than Parking Wars, a show that is literally about giving people parking tickets.

I would rather GET a parking ticket than watch a Baron Corbin match.

Chrisley Knows Best.

It is every American's right to question globalists like Vince McMahon. Especially when he has seized to serve the commonwealth's interest and taking away basic liberties of every hard working American.

LOL, fair point.

It’s a really bad show, but is it the worst? I think it makes this blanket category of trash that is hard to quantify.

It’s definitely not the best show on television, but it’s far from the worst.

It's not the worst

Overall though WWE has taken a big pretty big nosedive in quality the last two years. It's not the talent, they have the best talent they've ever had, it's entirely the creative aspect, commentary, horrible camera work and the overall booking of RAW and PPVs each week. SD is generally significantly better than RAW every week by a large margin. SD is better than most ppvs they produce actually.

I don't foresee things changing for RAW either, from how they are now. Every time they promise change it just gets dressed up and called something else but all the problems remain.

They've taken a big hit in live viewers this year, larger than the drop cable is facing overall. They are down about 500,000 - 600,000 viewers each week from this time last year. I expect things to get back to really boring and dull post WM (especially w/ the matches advertised for EXTREME RULES in it's local markets) and ratings to go back to a 2.2-ish within a few months.

Also, this is true.

I'm hoping if RAW keeps being really bad AEW will pop up and offer a good alternate to WWE (regardless of the night it airs) and I'd consider no longer watching RAW and giving AEW more of my attention as a fan.

Does anyone want to add to the list?

Maybe you really like Michael Cole telling us where Balor Club has come to that evening?

Maybe you really like Corey and Renee’s banter?

Maybe you really like the hard hitting backstage interviews of Charlie Caruso?

Maybe you love all the promos that somehow manage to come off both over rehearsed and under prepared?

ITS BOSS TIME

I'm just gonna say this. WWE may be shit but everyone who voted it as the worst show on television is being completely hyperbolic and they know it.

I dunno, it's pretty damned stanky.

IJS if you think it's literally the worst either your sample size for television programs is very small or you have extremely weird taste that has you ranking utter filth ahead of RAW.

Besides, the worst show on TV is the 700 club. Or anything Kardashian related. Or *insert msm news talk show of choice here*. That racist bastard trying and failing to catch fish on some obscure public access channel that has 40 viewers. There are literally thousands of channels with even more shows on. It's damn near impossible to quantify what the worst show on TV is objectively. But I'm about as certain as is humanly possible that it isn't RAW.

That said; it is pretty damned stanky.

say what you want about those shows. But none of them are 3 hours long

I bet you all still watch it though

It's gone beyond just people being out of touch. It's entered into a place of badness that no one has ever seen before. They literally play the same matches over and over. They've already spoiled WM 35. Finn is going to be the Demon. You can find that anywhere on the internet. This company is absolute shit. The worst thing for me personally is that my favorite person is Dean Ambrose and apparently he's gone after WM, but if not and it's a work, I firmly believe WWE will fuck that up.

I havent watched the last 3 weeks. There is no fucking way in hell you can get me to spend 8 hours of my fucking day watching WM. I'll be drunk the first 2 and passed out by hour 3.

I've never seen a more mismanaged company and i'm fucking stunned Fox hasnt terminated before it even gets started. Maybe Vince managed to negotiate one helluva deal.

Probably. But only because of the fact that we can’t see EVERY show. Just like the worst song of all time is probably some “cutting edge” attempt at music that is actually just noise that no one has ever heard of. But for the sake of actually having a discussion, it’s still fair to list, say, “Friday” or something as the worst song ever.

Which is why they will never be taken seriously by WWE.

Because I love wrestling I’ll try once or twice a year to watch raw. Usually can’t make it past a segment. Will grind through the odd ppv if there’s an interesting matchup but again maybe once or twice a year. I keep up with results in hopes that there is something to watch but usually it’s a lot of Baron Corbin.

Not sure if it’s the dirt worst show on TV, but it might be objectively the worst show that I watch. Genuinely don’t think I would continue to watch other shows if their quality was as consistently iffy as Raw.

This and why I voted "yes" on the poll.

There are worse shows on tv but I either don't bother to watch them or quickly lose all interest in wanting to continue watching. RAW has been the worst for long time shows I've watched especially in the wrestling genre.

Could probably argue Triple H's Reign of Terror, Cena being drafted to RAW, or the start of the 3 Hour Era is where RAW started its consistent decline in quality outside of brief moments here and there. For me personally, its been since Cena was drafted to RAW since that started the SuperCena era and its terrible effect on WWE's creative process for RAW.

Three hours of RAW has how many minutes of actual wrestling?

That's a good point, someone like you who watches every so often should be a bit confused when you tune in, not caught up in 5 minutes.

Attitude Era gets praised for a lot of what they did great, but they don't get enough credit for constantly evolving characters. If you missed 3 straight weeks of Raw in 1998 for example, you would come back to at least 10 new things that happened in those 3 weeks you missed.

If you only watched Wrestlemnia 34 than Wrestlemania 35, the biggest changes you would wonder about is what happened to the guys from last year that were super over, Braun, Shinsuke, Rusev, Bobby Roode, Asuka, and Kevin Owens are at, since most of them are likely gonna end up on the preshow.

You are going to be surprised to see Daniel Bryan is a heel and The Miz is a face.

Other than that, what's changed? A few NXT Callups will be non factors on the show. You will see they have a women's tag title, and that most of the women are still as interchangeable as they were last year.

Brock Lesnar is still part time champ.
Seth Rollins is still a good worker.
AJ Styles is still a Babyface.
Randy Orton is still a Tweener.
The Cruiserweights still don't matter.
And what's this, a 14 years later Wrestlemania rematch with Batista and HHH, which they, I could have skipped 13 Manias and will still understand these guys fighting!


Since WWE constantly brags about being the longest episodic TV shows, they should actually make new episodes every week, not a constant replay of the same bouts for weeks on end.

Usually in the 30-50 minutes range according to PWI's weekly tally reports. Last week had 45 minutes and the week before was just 34 minutes.

That's a fairly obvious problem then.
Building a coherent storyline is best done in the ring.

Bachelor is on Mondays, right?..

Yeah...gonna go with RAW.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you’re not a fan.

As long as anything involving Kardashians or The Bachelor is on TV, not even close....

You go out on that limb, but you be careful young man. Climbing trees is dangerous.

Alright so we’ve seen the Kardashians and the Bachelor brought up a few times now as examples of worse shows than Raw. Are they?

Explain to me why Monday Night Raw is a better show.

I watch neither the Kardashians nor the Bachelor but can guarantee you both are easier watches than RAW by virtue of show length and better production.

I'd still rather watch Raw over C-Span... or boxing

Nobody has refuted Chrisley Knows Best as being worse than Raw. Poll disqualified.

This. THIS. A million times THIS. I will never know why people nowadays have to make everything either the best or the worst. Things in life aren't always black and white, there's quite a bit of middle ground.

"I touched this fire and it burned me, it's literally the worst, most useless thing ever." GTFO.

DAMN, if you’re going to rage against hyperbole, it’s probably not the best look to do so while saying “A million times THIS” and “people have to make everything either the best or the worst.”

It kinda sounds like you like hyperbole. :y:

Also, all you guys who are so outraged by the question, feel free to explain why you believe Raw is a better show than the examples given. Or feel free to add to the list of reasons to watch Raw. So far the only reason contributed is that screech got a boner 20 years ago. And frankly, that’s not a big motivator to me. Sorry screech.

Do you like apples, DAMN?

A twelve year old's boner is never enough for Supreme.

I need 3 or 4 to even start the conversation

There's plenty of worse shows on TV. Ever watch any of those reality game shows or just reality shows? They are the LJN of television today.

I meant what I said, right down to the millionth time, and that's not hyperbole, either. It's a fact.

Literally the most MEH thing ever. :shifty:

You guys keep saying there are worse shows out there but no one has given a reason why Raw is better than those shows.

An opinion based closed question is not something which anybody should ever feel compelled to give more than a yes/no/other answer to...

I mean that’s not even remotely true.

I think you'll find it is. You didn't ask for further qualification or support behind the opinion in the OP and your poll indicates a general interest in the overall response rather than the rationale behind it.

If you want full answers, ask open questions. That's what they are fucking for.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about Seanny

Reality shows are an easy answer because “lol reality shows are for dumb people.” I’d like to hear how exactly Raw is currently superior to reality TV in general though.

Those are follow up questions that again, people do not have to give you answers to.

Furthermore no question demands a response at all. If you're met with any answer it is a pleasantry rather than an entitlement.

Supreme probably broke a few monitors in the A/S/L? days...

I really have no idea what your point is. This is literally true for every conversation in life other than sworn testimony.

Unbelievable

Pathetic

Anyway, even though you don’t have to and this is completely voluntary, would you please be so kind as to state in detail why you believe your position is correct regarding your television opinions? I would greatly appreciate it. But no pressure.

Yep, you certainly are.

We got your opinion that message boards aren’t mandatory. No one is arguing. We’re moving on.

See, I knew you'd get there.

Who's we?

I hate that tactic. The old "We" when it's just me and you. Gated community style.

I’m under no obligation to answer your question. Moving on.

What the fuck just happened?

We had a lot of discussion about if message board questions require a response, and very little discussion about why Raw is better than the Kardashians.


My position on both remains unchanged.

Sorry for ruining your Black Panther party.

I couldn't help myself, I was having too much fun.

This isn't true, BET plays the shit out of Martin and it's way better than current Raw.

My enjoyment of Raw has increased exponentially since I can't watch live and I just watch the condensed Hulu version. Seems to trim a lot of the fat. I don't know exactly what I'm missing, but I guess that means I'm not missing anything.

I don't miss the commercials, at allllllllll

It also kinda helps me to enjoy the program when I'm not chatting about it on a message board where hardly anyone enjoys hardly any of it. No offense.

This really is the best way to watch RAW.

RAW!

What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing.

Raw is War. Full circle.

I'm not fan of the Kardashians, but I guarantee it is better produced than Raw. Like, the content isn't for me, but there's no way it's worse than Raw, lol.

Nope.

:lol:

I also meant to quote #1-wwf-fan's comment about rather getting a parking ticket than watch Baron Corbin. That was great.

you also lack in good taste.

I think the only times I’ve really enjoyed watching WWE over the past few years is when I’ve watched it with others who hardly enjoy any of it and we watch it MST3K style. The handful of times I’ve tried to just watch alone, it’s been a chore.