She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
 

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visually poor but im looking forward to it

I don't understand how Marvel keep doing this shit with the CGI. Shulkie looks about as bad in this trailer as Black Panther did in his whole movie (before they went back and "touched up" his janky, cartoony movement for home release - the action scenes with him in full costume looked lazily done for the theatrical release and they got called out on it).

Are they going to go back and give this the Sonic treatment later after hordes of people bitch about it? Why not just, you know, make it look *good* to begin with?

It's almost like they weirdly WANT the negative criticisims up front, and there's a small part of me that's almost glad they cancelled Squirrel Girl if this is the benchmark they were shooting for visually.

Jesus, I can normally handle bad CGI, but that is distractingly bad.

Should have just painted a chick green.

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David Otunga with his MCU debut though

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What, is Hulk not a desirable sex symbol to where he's not getting courted by women? He gets snot-nosed kids asking for pictures while Jennifer has to deal with fetishists?

Hulks cock would be anatomically incompatible with human women

like trying to shove a basketball into a pringles can

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Anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.

CGI




Reboot!

Looks like woke horseshit again. I'm going to watch it though. The Peter David She-Hulk run of the early 2000s was one of my favorite runs. Super fun and goofy.

CGI looks shitty. Hope they’re planning to refine it.
Looks super, super woke. Hopefully doesn’t get too much in the way of being an enjoyable romp.
Will watch regardless.

I had to rewatch the trailer several times to make sure it was him. A bit hard to recognize without a bowtie and coffee tumbler. [/sarcasm]

Also, someone should dig up the old exploitable "selfie" looking image of him gesturing to the background and slap it on the front of this.

Harvey Birdman: Attorney At Law > She Hulk

Honestly think Tatianna Maslany is way better than this.

By the way this is looking, probably a role for some up and coming actress.

Thought this was a parody or something but apparently its real. Wow.

From the rumor mill, apparently she looked better/more comic accurate at one point... but thanks to executive meddling, the artists were repeatedly told to trim down the bulk on her. The CG artists on project know this looks like shit, but have to follow the orders from on high.

I'm really thinking my Sonic theory is accurate, because that sounds super familiar.

the internet loves to blame invisible higher ups. its never the workers

Don't think that most people's problems are with the bulk.... she's been portrayed as pretty slim in the comics too...

More the face region

While its technically true the internet does love raging against the machine to the Nth degree, it doesn't necessarily mean the machine has clean hands and isn't worth raging against.

Anecdotal story: Back when KB Toys was a thing, and the initial popularity wave of G1 Pokemon was in full swing, the company had the foresight to push in heavy on the property - and in particular, the cards. Tended to be sold for more than anyone else (which, to jump in on that train, was almost everyone else in the mall; toy stores, music stores, video stores, clothing stores, shoe stores... anyone with impuse counter room that decided they wanted some of that even if it were "inappropriate" for their marketing base, they sold them), with the notion that a) more profitable, of course, and b) when everyone else runs out, they'll buy our mountain of inventory at the higher cost. And because it was such a high commodity in high demand coupled with the "holographic charizard chasing" by folks with eBay get rich quick dreams, we sold a ton.

However, the other side of that is, because it was so popular, it was unsurprisingly a high shrink item. People could just stick the packs in their pockets, but a lot of the theft was done by people who overthought about security systems, and felt they needed to open the packs in the store and hide the wrappers somewhere out of eyeshot of employees... so we ususally found these wrappers shoved in amongst the plush. Even though they were *on* the impulse counter right by the registers we still would lose a number greater than zero. It got so bad, our manager decided to display them BEHIND the counter and place signs about anyone wanting cards to ASK for them.

In comes the dumbass idea from someone in a suit in an office far removed from the store level.

We had one of our monthly storefront changes, and one section was slated to be a 4 foot section mostly populated by individual packs of pegged Pokemon cards. To add to the stupidity, we were supposed to build the company's coveted "bulk stacks" right in front, which pretty much cut off eyeshot to all this high theft, high profit merchandise to someone even standing right there in the front of the store. We weren't the only store that voiced displeasure at this obviously ill advised marketing blunder in the making, but I don't know how many actually worked against it outside of our store. Our manager initially refused. We populated the section with other Pokemon merchandise. District manager came in and made us change it. She said she gets the concern, but began threatening to write everyone up in our entire store (there or not) for insubordination if it wasn't changed to what was supposed to be there because that's what's mandated to be there.

Predictably, we lost thousands of dollars worth of that shit. Being around $10 a pack, that's a ton of shrink on our inventory. Inventory tracking wise, it was "worse" than if people came in and walked off with Playstations, because the consoles were high ticket, low profit, and would show losses of lower numbers. All things being equal, losing around 15 packs of something easily pocketable was EXACTLY THE SAME ON PAPER as someone leaving the store with one video game console. And we're losing hundreds of these things in a matter of days. Per store. Per district. Totally predictable outcome, but we "had to".

So, in a few days we get this semi-condescending sounding memo from corproate telling us to "please hold all Pokemon cards behind the counter". The thing we were doing in the first place for exactly this reason. "Shut up and do as you're told" cost untold amounts of money company wide over a car crash anyone with any sense could see coming.

That's not the only incident I've experienced like this, and that wasn't the only company I've worked for it happened in, but it is my "favorite" story that perfectly encapsulates it.

On that, I will generally side with the lower rungs on how shit really is, because in a lot of these cases, all it takes is one suit with a bad idea to fuck up a lot of things down the chain... then that same suit, to save face, will throw folks underneath to the wolves to save their own ass and/or reputation.

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Things looking a bit better:

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Well that fucking tease at the end saved it

Wong is contractually obligated to be in everything now isn't he?

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It is something to see that freaking Wong of all people is one of the more beloved and popular characters going on right now. With him and Daredevil being in this, I imagine Marvel wants as many eyeballs on it as possible.

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Also, with Wong and Blonsky being in this there'll probably something that explains their presence in Shang-Chi?

Done with Marvel. No thanks.

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I have to LOL at the fact that this is the freaking series that gets more than six episodes. To be fair, though, it does look like there's a lot to tackle judging from the trailer. They have to cover how she got her powers, how Bruce found out about her being able to turn into She-Hulk, the main antagonist (if any), the other powered people they mentioned, her personal life, Daredevil, and Wong. I can't see this being paced well with only six episodes but then again, some of the other shows should have had the same courtesy.

She gets her powers from bruce so the first 2 are the same beat

I think it looks like it could be fun, especially if the stories are somewhat self-contained every week. CGI still looks a little off in the trailer though.

I don't think any show should be 6 episodes. 8 should be the standard.

I say 7!

I like a show to have as many episodes as it needs. Far too many shows with saggy middles.

agreed. The ep count should fit the narrative. If they can tell it in 4 so be it. If they need 13 fair enough

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Kind of an awkward start as it feels they rushed her origin and Mark Ruffalo comes across as wanting to get done as fast as possible. Credit for doing the 4th wall bit, though, and it does what it needs to do as far as setting the stage.

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Also, props to the show for FINALLY settling that "Was Captain America a virgin?" question that nobody was pondering. :roll: If your characters have to have conversations about subjects not pertaining to their close circle, it kind of makes it hard for me to be concerned about their close circle.

I’m pretty close myself.

The thing that i think is important is that this ohase was penned before the fox merger. They went into their C and D tier and planned to do what was then the best option. Once we're through this theyre going to have A and B tier level heroes to build up and get us hyped again. Couple that and the growing realization that "the message" is being rejected with consumers wallets and i think phase 5 will get back on track with stories and characters that more organic and relatable.


(That said im looking forward to She Hulk.)

I think my interest died when it became obvious that the performance and writing quality in the new additions/storylines have been substantially lower than the previous phases.
When they make better shows for the lower characters in the original stories than they do movies for the new ones the real problem is that we still want the original characters to have more to do with it than any new people. The very thought of new people taking centre stage annoys me and has done since Captain Marvel turned up.

The chemistry isn’t there with so many new folk all at once. Loki and F&WS were great because they kept the new folk down to supporting status. Introduce all newcomers through OG interactions.

I agree with to an extent. They have to try to get these characters over one way or another. A rub from an established character is useful but you also dont want to spend guardians 3 doing an origin story for Werewolf by Night. The series model is a decent way to have these weaker characters be able to launch onto the big screen without bogging down the film they're in.



That said American Chávez was introduced in Doctor Strange 2 and was well featured, even if she's a bit flat as whole. So they are doing both, objectively.



One of the major issues is this phase hasnt made its central conflict clear so nothing is unifying into a central climax. I think thats coming soon but right now everything feels disconnected.

I tried to watch Dr Strange 2 twice and both times turned it off because a girl child annoyed me very early on. Is this of whom you speak?

I have the same story about the second last Jurassic Park film.

Yes. You can argue she was flat, fair enough, but it remains an example of using established characters to drip feed new characters in.

Just watched the first episode. Was ok.

Actress has come a long way from being born and raised right here in Regina, SK

Is it worth watching?

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I mean, it's only the first episode. It's kind of hard to judge. I'd say if you were put off by the trailers I don't think it'll sway you.

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OK, the second episode is better as they get around to actual issues and dilemmas for Jennifer to talk about instead of just making dumb jokes with Bruce. Character first, THEN you can toss around all the wacky shit because we'll actually give a damn when shit goes down. There's one really good joke/wink towards the casting issues surrounding Bruce that's fucking gold. It feels like things are more focused. I'll tolerate those end credit bits if they can stay the course.

I think my only issue so far is that the episodes seem so short. It almost feels like they filmed it as a movie and chopped it into little bits that were just a little bit off on the pacing

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The funny thing is it's their studio and their streaming service. Why not just go all out and make it a movie for the platform?

Its a streaming platform with a monthly subscription model.

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The day Disney is hard up for cash is the day I know we're all fucked and I take that rocket to Mars.

The point is so moot im stunned by it. The show exists not for art. The shows only reason for production is theyve made a streaming a service with a monthly subscription model. The entire purpose of the enterprise is to create veiwer retention month over month. This isnt art. Marvel and Disney dont make art.

Saw a reddit post the other day that had a picture of SpyKids and said "this is how I see all Marvel movies now"


And its kinda true.

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My Frozen/Encanto crossover fan-fiction says otherwise!

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Sadly the MCU will never know the honor of being graced by the presence and sheer majesty that is Ricardo Montalban. :'(

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Friend of mine brought up the idea of the 'seven soulmates' Blonsky was talking about is referring to the Thunderbolts. I hadn't even considered that when he was talking.

And dammit, they have succeeded and have me eating it up...... I have Netflix and Amazon Prime but would honestly cancel them if I wasn't sharing it with my parents.

Disney+ though.... they have it all wrapped up, doling out a new Marvel or Star Wars TV-Show almost every week throughout the year... they make it so that you don't want to cancel and they do it extremely well....

The weekly release model has really blown the old "release the whole season at once and binge" model of Netflix out of the water and is part of why they are struggling now...

The weekly release model is just a smart move. Its not how i view content, i wait until theyre all out save the finale, watch one ep a day, and start the show so i watch the finale on its air date. I wont start Shehulk until oct 5th for example.

That said the weekly ep is THE correct method. Mid season breaks may be another monetization method we see further down the line but if the platform can have 1 show running at all times you *may* not need that.. but since not every show will be seen by everyone its still probably the best method for maximun retention and youd have an added bonus to snag some bingers twice.

Not to be elitist, binge if you want it doesnt impact me, but i do think binging is a terrible way to consume long form narrative. A good story need time to breathe. Like reading a great book. Take a day off after a big plot point and chew on it a bit. Take some time to consider the broader implications of the themes etc.

Weekly is a bit much for me but all the same i think it treats the content much better than hammering out 13 hours of tv in a day. And you also lose the water cooler interactions that word of mouth provides to potential new viewers.when everyone is on random eps they cant really talk about the show with one another.

The netflix model is fine but it wont win out and thats probably for the better.

Fucking nerds

Have the Hulks fucked yet? That's what everyone's really waiting for...


@SOB - you think she'd give a squeeze and pop your cock right off ya? She sounds like your kinda bird, especially when she's angry

Watched first episode of this. Not amazing, but I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. CG looks a little better but still not great.

Saw the scene where she's harping about women's struggles and I don't get all the rage over it. I mean I do get it. We've had woke pandering shoved down our throats that the mere mention of pro-anything is enough to trigger a gag reflex, but I don't think they're guilty of that here. Women do actually experience those things in male dominated fields and spending her whole career dealing with it is a legitimate reason for why she has so much more control out of the gate than Bruce.

Didn't really have a problem with her one upping Bruce either because I think her ability combined with her cocky attitude are setting her up for a fall at some point due to her arrogance. It serves a purpose and isn't just there for the sake of "WOMEN ARE BETTER". If I'm wrong and they don't do that, I'll retroactively give this episode a 2, but as it stands I'm looking forward to where it goes.

Actually I will say they pushed her arrogance a little too hard. You can have a flawed character, but you have to give something for the audience to latch onto so that they want to root for the character in overcoming said flaws. There was very little of that here if any. She came off as almost unlikable in this episode.

Just get out those angry baps and let's see what happens.

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Did anyone catch the casual "Man fights with metal claws in bar brawl" reference in the second episode? Because I didn't the first time around. :o

'The Rant' is a terrible disservice to Jen, Bruce, Hulk's character arc, and the very notion of the hero archetype. It's also exhibit A on why social political matters simply don't fit in the context of these universes. But most importantly, it makes yet another female lead unlikable.

The Hulk? Hunted for being a monster who's only a monster because he's hunted. Banner's monologue in Avengers. Choosing to just leave the planet in AoU. Gets his ass kicked by a purple guy, merges with the wimp inside him and appears to still live in exile. So Jen giving a twitter rant of first world problems to the guy who was hunted for years before Natasha found him is equivalency only in the mind of the writer. Came off really bad. Not to mention taking Ang Lee's Hulk as canon (which it actually kinda is), we see the origin of the Other Guy to begin with and it blows whatever annoyances Jen lived with out the water.

"I could literally be murdered" yeah well he got ass kicked by a cosmic warlord and hunted by his ex's dad for existing. This was a bad argument and bad look for Jen. Now I'm sympathetic to the fact that they needed to explain the fact that she never had some rage monster issues and I guess that rant was the best way they could conjur. But I would have thought of a bunch of things that didn't involve burying Banner and making light of his whole character arc just because yet another writer doesn't know how to sell a female character without burying her male counterpart.

Maybe the Ms Marvel writers could teach them a thing or two.

Everything is a joke now, get over it.

I happen to still have hope for the MCU, but this phase was very lacking overall.

I referenced the Mary Sue-ing of She Hulk to my wife and how the fact that she so very easily gets to grips with something that took Bruce 15 years to iron out was causing “outrage”. She replied telling me as a women she’s been “battling with Mother Nature since she was 12”. Fair point.

I don't know why people are comparing the struggles she's talking about to bruce's life as the hulk, because her rant isnt about that. Again, she's very clearly stating how her experiences as a woman better emotionaly prepared her for BEING a hulk.

No.

The MCU built towards brilliance once, and in doing so achieved a chronology that may never be beaten in film. Then it blew itself up and created chaos.

As a business decision.

My pain is real.

Yes I kno, I'm just saying that's absurd. There's way better ways to explain why she doesn't have a rage monster.

Hell - her successful life, healthy family relationship, and having a bff could be easily explained as why she doesn't have a rage monster. End of the day this particular gamma poisoning is based off the beta rays of the super soldier project. As explained by German Scientist Man, it ultimately makes you a super-you for better or worse. Shulkie being a gorgeous, confident amazon is Jen literally breaking out, as an inverse of Banner's inner rage breaking out. That's how I would have done it. And it wouldn't make some gender war strike at a founding Avenger. Nobody needed to be buried here.

Btw, female fans found it god awful as well. This wasn't some win for women, it's very specifically feminist rhetoric. Not that Jen felt that way, but that it was used as ammo against her own cousin. Hence why I said the equivalence only makes sense to the writer - a feminist.

Seemed like a nonsequitor.

I dunno. I just don't think its a big deal. They didnt want to spend too much time explaining it do they threw in a 10 second rant to explain it away.

Lazy maybe, but it doesn't affect my overall enjoyment of the show I guess.

Wait till they do a video game.

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As an Ultimate Alliance fanboy, I've always been miffed they never added She-Hulk to the playable roster. Throw in War Machine, too. And before anyone wants to say that it'd be repetition of other characters let me just point out that the last game had three God damn Spider-people on the roster and two versions of Thanos.

She doesn't put asses in seats.

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You know, you're forcing me to bring a "SHE-HULK PUT MY ASS IN THIS SEAT" sign for when she inevitably shows up in a movie.

Do it, nerd!

Not really.

From age 12 they’ve been working around incredible swings in hormones. I can see how that would prepare one for an inevitable monster created by gamma radiation. In a real world sense.

I will not cosign this message.

Women have it so much harder that gamma radiation is just a shoulder shrug off…

That’s shitting on the theme tune from the tv series. So forlorn…

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Oh, man, this third episode is going to ruffle some feathers. The thing is, though, this is shit that some female characters go through so addressing it is almost unavoidable.

Also, who the fuck is Megan Thee Stallion and why should I give a fuck? And was that really the best way to present that group of villains in the end? I suppose I should be happy they've been brought into the fold at the very least.

She's a female rapper who talks about her vajayjay with uhhh.... Minaj.

Writers accidentally make Sexist Dudebro likeable because they do not understand that being genuine counter balances whatever in-universe flaws they are trying to portray. To be fair, the B Plot recognizes that he's the victim of his case and though presenting his win as depreciating as possible, the law is the law and even assholes deserve justice.

Wong and Abomination's cage fight in Shang-Chi seemed to come off as some kind of worked match hustle so I'm not sure why his explanation became about his personal training, which a guy like Wong absolutely didn't need. The various productions should be on the same page regarding details like this. The jab at NWH's plot was well deserved, tho.

The cosmic politics regarding New Asgard's legal status in Norway(?) would be interesting to address someday. But if it didn't happen in L&T I guess it's handwaved.

I'm out of touch but she is apparently the cream of the crop right now. The Rock even said he would like to be her pet. Personally I do not see it but each to thier own.

Show has been enjoyable thus far. There are definitely some nit picks with it but Tatiana has been very enjoyable as a lead. I'm glad it has 9 episodes as most marvel shows just seem overly rushed. They do seem to be telling multiple arcs though with various mcu characters so who knows how it will pan out in the end.

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I'm still not sure if I completely like this series but I will credit it for making Titania the biggest heel in the MCU by making her a social influencer and for introducing the most punchable character since Darcy in episode 4. You'll know who I'm talking about.

After the way last week's episode ending I'm starting to wonder if we're going to be introduced to the Leader. The way Sterns was just forgotten after The Incredible Hulk has always been a sticking point for me.

When are they bringing back Harvey Birdman?


He is the superior attorney.

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Well, the Disney Expo kind of put a damper on this idea...sort of.

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I'll give the series this: it is making me desperately want to see Jennifer smack the ever-loving piss out of Titania. It's those kinds of people who are the real villains of the world.

What was the jab?

This came up in my feed, I haven't really seen any of the media discussed in this except black widow which I thought wasn't that great of a movie. Pretty bad actually but in the context that the video presented it in She-Hulk seems overly preachy.

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I've been wanting to point out how garbage the soundtrack for the series has been. Newest episode gave me some hope by opening with some HAIM but then it goes down the shitter all over again.

With only one more episode to go, I'm not really on the edge of my seat like I've been with some of the other shows. You'd think with more episodes they'd have paced things out better because I'm not really sure what it is I'm supposed to be looking forward to.

Two episodes left.... have pretty much zero desire to see She-Hulk in anything else.... whereas with Kate Bishop and Ms. Marvel was like "can't wait to see them interact with other MCU characters"

They seem to have a lot of ground to cover in these last 2 episodes. Episode 7 was a pretty nothing episode. We’ve still not seen the “big bad”, still have Daredevil to introduce into proceedings, is there more to the story with Titania? Will we also see more from Bruce?

101 was fun when it was fun. Preachy when it wasnt fun. But the fun was fun. Im glad they kept the 4th breaking. And the post credit scene was great


CAPTAIN AMERICA FUCKS!

What did they preach on?

bog standard 4th wave feminist clichés. The entire script is underpinned by it. Its just shrieking wOmAn sUFfEr mAn for 40 minutes. Its tired and very hacky but the fun is pretty fun. I look forward to ignoring its incessant messaging tomorrow.

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Just a heads up, they stop with the post-credits bits after the 4th episode if I'm not mistaken.

I let credits run on everything so its whatever