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drave 06-13-2022 10:31 AM

Diablo IV
 
2023 - bitches. And, I can play with my PC Brothers in Arms (Looking at you Seph, Heisenberg).


Let's kill shit
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Sepholio 06-13-2022 09:47 PM

I am totes mcgotes down my borther. Signed up for alpha/beta testing for it a couple days ago. Fingers crossed.

Diablo is life. I am going to F2P grind my way to the top of Immortal. Thats how much I love Diablo.

Fignuts 06-13-2022 11:10 PM

Think by the time you manage that, Diablo 16 will be out.

Tom Guycott 06-13-2022 11:34 PM

I'm hoping (but doubtful) about this footage being how the footage looks - AS OPPOSED TO this being footage of a super cropped and zoomed screen, with minuscule font size HUD and no ability to change anything because it is assumed everyone will be playing this on a PC with their face a foot a way from a monitor even though it is also on console and folks will be sitting across a room from a TV on a sofa.

Lock Jaw 06-14-2022 12:03 AM

I remember I used to play the hayell out of the original Diablo.... good times.... didn't care for Diablo II when it came out though....

Blonde Moment 06-15-2022 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5557067)
I remember I used to play the hayell out of the original Diablo.... good times.... didn't care for Diablo II when it came out though....

It is the best.

Lock Jaw 06-16-2022 12:53 PM

Which one

Kalyx triaD 06-15-2023 10:28 AM

Been playing this a lot.

drave 06-15-2023 11:57 AM

Yup. I have a lvl 51 Rogue in Nightmare and started a Necro, who is at 23 I think?


Going to have to do some grinding for my Rogue. He hits like a truck but is made of paper. I'm using the stabby rogue because bows typically don't interest me.


Necro is really strong. Unsure why there's people bitching about it, but they are probably the sweaty lvl 100's whining about "endgame" a week after release.


Endgame will need more to it, for sure. Right now, it does feel lacking. I don't mean the "meta" either, I'm not THAT far. However, it is just the same content with harder mobs, typical for Diablo. There just..... isn't much right now. As history has gone with this franchise, whenever they do release the expansion (probably a year from launch or so), TONS of stuff will be overhauled and added.



The campaign is a great way to propel you through the map and gives the player "direction".

Kalyx triaD 06-15-2023 08:05 PM

I'm doing it Wildlands and Division style trying to complete the first region before moving on. Doing a lot of side quests, dungeons, 2 strongholds of the three, ain't touch the campaign since finishing the prologue. Been playing about a week now and I'm at mid 30s with my electric sorcerer.

The combination of missing Marvel Ultimate Alliance and being impressed by the sheer scale and detail got me stuck on the game.

drave 06-16-2023 09:55 AM

Eh, as far as renown goes, you can do it "region style". However, the nature of the game has you all over the map, in random places, doing random activities based on where things rotate hourly.


If you wish to be efficient, get the story progressed to the point where you get a mount, then things are easier to do in that manner.


Or don't, it's Diablo IV. I've not searched out the Lilith statues or anything like that.... that shit seems tedious.


Lightning sorceress is the absolute best for leveling. I managed to get mine to 14 last night. Necro is rocking 27 I think?


They've done amazing things with this game. If you enjoy it now, it's going to be 100x better in the future. The game will dynamically change with the expansion, whenever that may be.


Glad to have you on board. 3 day weekend coming up for me, I'll throw out invites if I get a decent amount of time to play man. Co-op is definitely fun.

Sepholio 06-16-2023 11:50 AM

lol if you dont get the lilith statues and farm the renown to get the region unlocks first thing you are doing it wrong. Makes life so much easier for every alt you roll.

Sepholio 06-16-2023 11:54 AM

69 Necro btw. I thought I was strong too drave.

I was wrong. Heading into T4 and I to rework everything because my minions, even boosted to hell via paragon boards, are absolute trash now. The only function they serve is to be a distraction now. Running some of the harder content with others and I have sorcs, druids and barbs running around me eviscerating everything. It's lame. They need to fix minions build bad.

Sepholio 06-16-2023 12:01 PM

Oh and Unique items are absolute trash. They are below rares and legendaries automatically simply because they have set stats and you can't enchant them at all. Almost all of their powers are useless too. There are a small handful of them that people are going to want probably, like Deaths Visage for Necros, but most of them are going to end up instant trash when these should be the items that feel the most special and powerful.

Terrible itemization. It's the one area where this game took a significant step backwards from the previous.

drave 06-16-2023 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5618494)
lol if you dont get the lilith statues and farm the renown to get the region unlocks first thing you are doing it wrong. Makes life so much easier for every alt you roll.




Eh, it isn't difficult at T1 or T2 - just another "time sink" for me. I'd rather just level up a bit, then make the rounds faster with my mount. Very well aware of how shit changes through tiers.


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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5618495)
69 Necro btw. I thought I was strong too drave.

I was wrong. Heading into T4 and I to rework everything because my minions, even boosted to hell via paragon boards, are absolute trash now. The only function they serve is to be a distraction now. Running some of the harder content with others and I have sorcs, druids and barbs running around me eviscerating everything. It's lame. They need to fix minions build bad.


100p Necro minions are broken.


After getting to Nightmare with my Rogue, I understand that shit changes drastically. Within the first 30 minutes of T3, I was entirely re-equipped. Think RNGesus was smiling upon me, as I had a few Sacred Uniques drop that quickly too. Gonna have to rebuild or hope for the same luck..... as I just get 1-2 shotted by nearly everything. I know the same will happen with all characters.


Reluctant to start a Barb right now, a few aspects are dumb. Apparently Druid loot tables are also wank and dropping more barb stuff? I dunno. I just play the game, largely ignoring what "streamers" or "level 100's" are already whining about. Playing a Fire sorc, even though it isn't "the best" - it's just fun :D




This shit will be tuned so many times in the next 90 days, I'm not going to dedicate to one character or playstyle right now.

drave 06-16-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5618502)
Oh and Unique items are absolute trash. They are below rares and legendaries automatically simply because they have set stats and you can't enchant them at all. Almost all of their powers are useless too. There are a small handful of them that people are going to want probably, like Deaths Visage for Necros, but most of them are going to end up instant trash when these should be the items that feel the most special and powerful.

Terrible itemization. It's the one area where this game took a significant step backwards from the previous.




I think the sacred unique gauntlets I have synergize with basic and core skills? Something like, each basic attack enhances the damage of the next core attack by 30% or something. Memory is terrible.


I'm okay with them not raining legendaries or uniques like they did in D3. I also don't believe that drop rates should be as abysmal as they were in D2. Make the items make sense, as you stated.


I've not had enough time to dive in like that, so I'm just enjoying the casual leveling of whatever class I feel like playing that day.

Sepholio 06-16-2023 12:40 PM

That proc from those guantlets can show up as an aspect as well though. It's not a unique to that item even though its a "unique". Which is weird how some of them are like that. But given that it's an aspect it makes the unique useless. A rare with it added or a legendary with the proc is better at default because you can roll one of the stats off for something better for you.

drave 06-16-2023 01:04 PM

Gonna read a bit. Aspects you get from Dungeons are permanent and can be used repeatedly, yes?


Ones extracted go away after one use?


Those gauntlets were (and are) badass for my rogue right now. They were like.... +100 on god damn near everything I had equipped before. Granted, this was within 30 mins of beating T2 Pinnacle.


Speaking of that, I thought "man, I'm pretty good at Diablo games, bet I can do it at 44" when I first unlocked it.


Yeah no...... got smacked sideways SO many times. I came to accept the fact after I was barely even moving the boss's health AT ALL.


I've a ton yet to learn about "end game" stuff. Not even close to getting there, really.

Sepholio 06-16-2023 09:22 PM

You stuggled because of the level penalty. After 3 or 4 levels above you it gets bonkers. If you look at the area level and its red, you gonna die boy. Same thing happened to me in the T3 pinnacle trying to do it before 67. Way too much for my build to overcome.

Also yeah I have some gear that is way underpowered too but the stats it rolled are so damn near perfect I cant get rid of it until I get something that rolls at least 3 of the 4 stats it has.

The aspects from the codex can be used as much as you want with the caveat that they are ALL the minimum roll. The same aspect pulled off an item can be WAY higher as such. Lets you play around with them but u gotta find an item if you want to get a good version.

Kalyx triaD 06-17-2023 02:10 AM

45 now. Almost done with the first region. Still on tier 2.

road doggy dogg 06-19-2023 11:19 AM

I finally got talked into getting this after being relatively lukewarm on it (despite being a huge Diablo 2 fan and enjoying D3 as well).

Game is pretty fun. I am annoyed at how crappy it runs on my laptop which is only like 2-3 years old. Gotta play this shit on medium settings like a pleb

drave 06-20-2023 11:21 AM

Got my barb to 45...


Weeeeeee. Spin 2 win..... for now.

drave 06-20-2023 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5618657)
You stuggled because of the level penalty. After 3 or 4 levels above you it gets bonkers. If you look at the area level and its red, you gonna die boy. Same thing happened to me in the T3 pinnacle trying to do it before 67. Way too much for my build to overcome.

Also yeah I have some gear that is way underpowered too but the stats it rolled are so damn near perfect I cant get rid of it until I get something that rolls at least 3 of the 4 stats it has.

The aspects from the codex can be used as much as you want with the caveat that they are ALL the minimum roll. The same aspect pulled off an item can be WAY higher as such. Lets you play around with them but u gotta find an item if you want to get a good version.




Yeah yeah. I was slamming shit 4-5 levels higher all game til that pinnacle. Got put in mah place.


Loving tje post-beta barb. Around level 35 the game started shittong legendary items like they were going outta business. Ended moving to a ww deathblow build. Soo fun right now

road doggy dogg 06-20-2023 12:26 PM

re: my previous post, seem to have sorted out some of my performance issues. Nvidia DLAA has been a big help

Been playing a bit between a Sorcerer and a Necromancer. Just got my first enchantment on the sorc, makes enemies I kill explode in fireballs, causing delicious screen-clearing chain reactions. Fun times. Reminds me a bit of playing the old Exploding Palm build for Monk in D3.

Sepholio 06-23-2023 09:03 PM

They are gonna have to rework the end game. Being able to get BIS loot at 70ish is bad. I am at 81 now and the upgrades I could farm for are so rare and so miniscule that they are hardly worth it. I could solo level 90 world bosses with ease in the event no one else showed up. I can face roll that super elite in the hell tides with the biggest health bar in the game, Kixxarth or whatever it's name is. The abomination in PVP goes down in less than a second. It's whack. I'm basically just grinding for rare cosmetics/mounts and trying to find the cow level now. You can clearly tell WT5 was originally part of the game and that there was supposed to be a 4th tier of items above ancestral and they pulled it back for some reason. They need to implement it soon to give the high level people something to do before they get bored because NM dungeons aren't enough considering they are like the same 10% of dungeons over and over again and will still be that even after they get buffed next patch.

Sepholio 06-23-2023 09:14 PM

Also even if you like pushing higher tier NM dungeons, you can tell even they are balanced with another tier of gear in mind. You will get 1 shot from off screen non stop even with BIS gear and max level well before you get close to the high end of NM dungeons tiers. Like sure, you can one shot them too, but when the game devolves into either you or the enemy off screening the other one in every single encounter then clearly the balance is off somewhere.

I have a feeling season 1 will alleviate alot of this because I bet that's when WT5 comes back into play. But I'm starting to feel like they should have started season 1 at launch. I get wanting to iron everything out before starting seasons because of the paid battlepass, but if things are wonky for the first few weeks you can always just extend the 1st season to compensate.

All that said, if there a bunch more uniques and they were more compelling I'd still feel the drive to gring too. But shit. I've got multiples of the ancestral version of almost every unique for my class already. I can count the items I haven't seen on one hand. 10 years into diablo 2 and there were far more items than that that I never found. FAR more. And I was still trying too because of it.

Sepholio 06-23-2023 09:16 PM

Betting WT5 comes back and I bet they have a tier of "Ancient" items. And if they don't call WT5 Inferno then they are doing it wrong.

road doggy dogg 06-23-2023 11:46 PM

Sounds like early D3 where you were expected to utilize the real money AH to get any sort of progression. Hellish

Sepholio 06-24-2023 12:58 AM

Its not at all like that. There were items to be found in that AH obviously, and thus, in game. There was something to work towards. Here there are no more items to really grind for. There aren't any to buy either. There's just paragon levels and a one in a billion chance of finding an item that might be 0.1% better.

Sepholio 06-24-2023 01:02 AM

I can't imagine how lame it is for people playing some of the other classes that can't match the sheer might of the necro as easily. Already capping their gear and in a battle with a giant pack of elites and a random necro like me walks by and fires off 2 right clicks and everything disintegrates. At least I get to feel like a wrecking ball while I look for the 3 relics to drop in the Ked Bardu fountain.

Sepholio 06-24-2023 01:05 AM

Oh another example of necro being OP af is that you can make a build that you can literally afk the game with. Use minions, get the extra minion aspects, stack as much thorns on gear as possible, summon minions, stand somewhere where enemies spawn constantly. Everything will get obliterated by the thorns and you'll never have to lift a finger.

road doggy dogg 06-25-2023 10:07 AM

Had my first encounter with the Butcher last night, right as all the server fuckery was going on.

rip my first hardcore baby

drave 06-26-2023 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5619704)
They are gonna have to rework the end game. Being able to get BIS loot at 70ish is bad. I am at 81 now and the upgrades I could farm for are so rare and so miniscule that they are hardly worth it. I could solo level 90 world bosses with ease in the event no one else showed up. I can face roll that super elite in the hell tides with the biggest health bar in the game, Kixxarth or whatever it's name is. The abomination in PVP goes down in less than a second. It's whack. I'm basically just grinding for rare cosmetics/mounts and trying to find the cow level now. You can clearly tell WT5 was originally part of the game and that there was supposed to be a 4th tier of items above ancestral and they pulled it back for some reason. They need to implement it soon to give the high level people something to do before they get bored because NM dungeons aren't enough considering they are like the same 10% of dungeons over and over again and will still be that even after they get buffed next patch.




My highest character is 54, and a Barb. I dunno wtf happened with this rare weapon drop, but it was WAAAAAAY over the ilvl of anything else I had. Suddenly, I 2 shot everything in WT3 (except bosses, obv).


I feel the endgame grind though.... even though I haven't hit WT4. Whispers. Helltides, and MAYBE a World Boss (so far, only 1 encounter for me, due to timing and stuff). There definitely needs to be "more".


Unsure if I need to get a couple better weapons on my rogue, but good god the barb is uber-unga with 2x bunga after that 2H mace drop. It's nothing special either, just really high dmg.


I've gotten all the altars in 2 of the locations, 90% done with a third. It's a fucking slog and I hope they never make players repeat it.

Sepholio 06-26-2023 09:46 PM

Yeah I need a 2 hander for my necro. One thing I'm missing. It's actually insane I'm managing to do the damage I am with a wand and a focus, but due to not having a 2 hander with the right rolls it comes at the cost of forfeiting resource generation that I sorely need. I can dish out massive damage but I can't sustain it for long without mobs. Bosses that survive my initial burst lead to me walking around regenerating for about 20 seconds before hitting them in the mouth again. Will be very happy to fix that problem.

Sepholio 06-26-2023 09:47 PM

Actually have a 2 hand scythe that would work right now, high ilvl too but I want a sword lol. Scythes are 10% slower attack speed.

drave 06-27-2023 09:27 AM

4 day weekend this upcoming weekend. Think I'll muck around with a Necro..... maybe try to improve my Rogue, probably rebuild it altogether maybe.


Why not both. eff it.

drave 06-28-2023 10:16 AM

Played last night after changes.


The changes are very apparent and feel gooooooooood. It's not overpowered, but it definitely makes cutting down hordes more digestible. Lack of activities still sucks. I wish they'd add endgame Strongholds, those were a lot of fun. In a way, I guess that's kinda Helltides but without a "story" being told or whatever.


Season 1 will probably have more stuff. I did a Helltide and 2 complete sets of whispers and just..... couldn't anymore :(

Kalyx triaD 06-29-2023 09:05 AM

Still clearing three levels of renown in each region before finishing the campaign and going to Tier 3. Sorcerer is 53. Made two other sorcerers to build into single elements, 20 and a 17.

drave 06-29-2023 09:31 AM

Fire sucks when you get to the part of the game that "matters" (meaning where ANYTHING can actually drop - lvl 85). Frost Nova will be a "must have" skill right now, for the time being.


Right now, campaign is the beefy part of the game and really keeps things "flowing". Endgame is kinda a bore, or maybe I just need to change characters. Didn't wanna do that though, with Season 1 looming within the next 4 weeks.

road doggy dogg 06-29-2023 11:54 AM

I'm nowhere near endgame in this and kind of bored/meh on the game so far. Surprisingly, the story is the most engaging part to me so far (far cry from Diablo 3 IMO). Maybe it's just 'cause my build sucks or whatever, or I'm just one of those cranky boomers that prefers Diablo 2. Who knows

drave 06-29-2023 12:21 PM

The campaign is incredibly engaging, more so than any other Diablo game before it. As soon as you finish it, you're looking at:


World bosses - fixed spawn timer
Whispers - think of these as "bounties" from D3
Helltides - zone wide "bounty" that are timed to 60 mins and there are chests in the affected areas


Legion events - these are the most fun IMO. Buncha adds spawn in a small area you have to roam around a bit. They are public events which allow for a lot of players. After cutting down trash mobs, there are 3 (I think) mid-bosses and then an actual boss. These have been the best source of XP and loot from a time invested / reward perspective.


There's also "Nightmare" dungeons which add random affixes. You have to get mats to make them I believe. I've not gotten that far yet...... because all the events above (except legion) feel same samey when playing.


Feel like they're holding back a bit of content for the seasonal stuff. Time shall tell I guess.

drave 06-29-2023 12:22 PM

Happy about the XP buff though. Think I am MAYBE 57, and it feels like such a slow ass grind. That'd be fine in a MMO - which this is NOT.

Sepholio 06-29-2023 02:21 PM

The buff on XP is super noticeable when you get to nightmare dungeons. In the mid 80s and can gain a whole level (full, not just a paragon) in about 6 or 7 dungeons at most now. So much better. Gaining a level was several hours of hardcore grinding before this. No longer feel the need to farm cellars using the reset glitch finally.

Lock Jaw 06-30-2023 01:46 AM

Original Diablo still the best.

drave 06-30-2023 10:22 AM

No.

Lock Jaw 06-30-2023 11:07 AM

I guess I never played 3 or 4 to know for sure, but I'm sticking with my guns.

road doggy dogg 06-30-2023 11:08 AM

I feel like 2 improved upon everything 1 did in any meaningful way. Everyone welcome to their opinions, of course.

Lock Jaw 06-30-2023 11:44 AM

Honestly I don't remember too much, I just remember playing the F out of 1 and then feeling like 2 just made it "too complex" and got away from "the point"

road doggy dogg 06-30-2023 11:46 AM

I think 1 is best for the spooky/"horror" atmosphere, for sure. From a gameplay/"systems" standpoint though I think 2 improved a ton of what 1 did.

It's definitely more complex than 1 but I feel after playing 3 (too simple IMO) and games like Path of Exile (way too fkn complex), 2 hits the sweet spot.

drave 06-30-2023 12:35 PM

1 is definitely great. At the time of release, it was Truly Great.


2 - Everything RDD said. It was ROUGH for the first 3-6 months as far as "end game" and the expansion pack gave that game added an entire fooking decade of life to it. it also rad(doggyDawg)ically changed the gameplay by introducing synergies between skills.


3 - the former lead designer of the Legion WoW expansion, Jay White, was lead design on 3. The game was VERY dumbed down in terms of skill selection and bonking. The "artificial difficulty" came with Torment difficulty (which was the top tier at launch). The loot tables were fucked and you couldn't get gear good enough to be able to survive. Corpse walking became a regular method of progression.


There's a ton more that I think most people forget was added from the expansion.


https://www.ign.com/wikis/diablo-3/Reaper_of_Souls






4 - Right now it feels like a mix of 1 and 2. Gameplay wise, definitely 2. There are a TON of intricacies that go into skills and how that shit works, kinda like 2. The atmosphere and campaign are reminiscent of 1. End game is sorely lacking right now, but will improve with both Seasons, and an expansion down the line.



The expansion was tremendous for this game as well, from many standpoints. Feel like they fell flat with the Crusader (Paladin-lite, the Diet Coke of Holy - just a lil faith, not quite revenant enough!). The addition of Act V and core design changes were very needed and welcomed. The changed loot tables though, made the game WAY too easy eventually.

Sepholio 06-30-2023 12:41 PM

Diablo 3s original top tier difficulty was not Torment. Torment was a change made down the line.

The original was Inferno and it was far too hard, far harder than Torment ever was. You would go from 1 shotting diablo in Hell to getting one shot by skeletons in act 1. Its like going from Hell to Torment 10+ instantly.

drave 06-30-2023 12:59 PM

It was pre-expansion. Fucking eat me out

road doggy dogg 06-30-2023 01:05 PM

D3 vanilla Inferno difficulty was something else. Combined with the horrid drop rates of high-end gear and the prevalence of the RMAH it definitely felt like they were trying to funnel people into a P2W type game. It was bad all around.

RoS fixed a ton of what was wrong with vanilla D3. I respect that not everybody likes this gameplay loop but I really enjoyed the Rifts/Greater Rifts system of pushing higher numbers as best you could. Later seasons in D3's life had way too much power creep for my liking though, and people would be pushing GR150 within like a week of ladder reset which was a bit too absurd for me tbh. I like that "the top end" is achievable by anyone but at least make it take some amount of effort to get to.

Like I played Witch Doctor almost exclusively in D3 (was my fav class) and in late D3's lifespan it was like... "wear this set and the set bonus is 10,000% increased damage on x skill", funneling everyone into cookie-cutter/meta builds. Very blah.

road doggy dogg 06-30-2023 01:05 PM

I will say though, for whatever shortcomings D3 had (and I say this as someone who enjoyed the game as a whole, largely), the Switch port of it was nothing short of phenomenal. Impressive that it performs so well on that hardware.

Sepholio 06-30-2023 01:12 PM

NM Dungeons in 4 are greater rifts for all intents and purposes. Dungeons that you can push higher and higher, up to a tier 100, that have random affixes added onto them to change game play a little bit. Now that you can teleport straight to one as soon as you open it, it may as well be called a rift.

And just like rifts, with the right build and aspects you too can run level 87 in 4 minutes!

Fignuts 07-04-2023 02:34 PM

Started playing this.

Went with rogue. Was focusing on poison, but I've respecced into shadow. Doesn't do as much single target damage, but holy shit does it crowd control.

Wehttam 07-04-2023 03:22 PM

is there a secret cow level

Kalyx triaD 07-04-2023 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5621575)
Started playing this.

Went with rogue. Was focusing on poison, but I've respecced into shadow. Doesn't do as much single target damage, but holy shit does it crowd control.

Saw you on and was gonna join with my new Necro but had to jet outdoors.

Sepholio 07-04-2023 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wehttam (Post 5621576)
is there a secret cow level

Short answer: Yes, there is. But no one knows how to trigger it yet.

drave 07-05-2023 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5621575)
Started playing this.

Went with rogue. Was focusing on poison, but I've respecced into shadow. Doesn't do as much single target damage, but holy shit does it crowd control.




Same. Shadow melts later with Twisting Blades. Currently 60 clearing anything in Nightmare without a sweat. I think the highest NM Dungeon key I have is 14? Also melting.


Rogue is very fun. One of the most "active" melee classes in an ARPG I've played. Not just unga-bunga, but a fancy unga-bunga.

drave 07-06-2023 10:28 AM

62, gonna go fuck around in the Tier III Capstone Dungeon. Unsure about the boss, but I'm fairly confident I can at least clear all the trash.


Rogues are sick.

Fignuts 07-06-2023 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 5618436)
I'm doing it Wildlands and Division style trying to complete the first region before moving on. Doing a lot of side quests, dungeons, 2 strongholds of the three, ain't touch the campaign since finishing the prologue. Been playing about a week now and I'm at mid 30s with my electric sorcerer.

The combination of missing Marvel Ultimate Alliance and being impressed by the sheer scale and detail got me stuck on the game.

This is how I was doing it at first, but I soon realized I'd be doing the campaign for an eternity at that pace. I'm a good bit into act 3 and at level 47.

So far I haven't really gotten into build crafting on the gear and gems side just because I'm still getting better equipment pretty frequently, but now I'm stuck on this Nilcar boss fight and I think I'm going to have to look into using the right gems and aspects to win. There have been some tough fights, but nothing I can't handle. This guy is some dark souls level bullshit however.

drave 07-06-2023 02:00 PM

Couple tricks to him. The main one being his stupid ass machine gun spell shit he uses. Hew pew pew's dark stuff from his hands that are very hard to see. Like, a lot of them. Those things will delete you so fucking fast.


When he starts summoning the adds, that complicates things. What was successful in the end was dodging those dark bolts he fires off, burning down the add, repeating that until it was 1v1 again.


Really, the 1st boss fight that highlights the importance of positioning.

Fignuts 07-06-2023 02:23 PM

Yeah, his attacks are easy enough to avoid. It's the elite ads with their gimmick bullshit, all in a small space thats the problem. I can get him to about a quarter health, but by that point I'm out of potions.

I think im going to add that barrier aspect, and respec into dark shroud for increased survivability. And maybe switch from shadow to poison.

I love that respeccing is so cheap that its completely viable to do it for a single fight.

drave 07-06-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5621844)
Yeah, his attacks are easy enough to avoid. It's the elite ads with their gimmick bullshit, all in a small space thats the problem. I can get him to about a quarter health, but by that point I'm out of potions.

I think im going to add that barrier aspect, and respec into dark shroud for increased survivability. And maybe switch from shadow to poison.

I love that respeccing is so cheap that its completely viable to do it for a single fight.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wsHG_qmQNVo/maxresdefault.jpg
It is so fucking tedious and expensive at endgame :( LOOKING AT YOU PARAGON BOARD! (one.node.at.a.time)



They are in desperate need of a "loadout" or similar system. Though at the same time, they want gold to be "important" so respecs get expensive later and that might go against their design.

Fignuts 07-06-2023 05:03 PM

That sucks. Until then, WHEEEEEEEEEEEE

Sepholio 07-06-2023 07:48 PM

I have no idea what drave is talking about with it being expensive at end game. I'm rolling in so much gold that I could do 1000 full respecs.

There def needs to be a refund all button though because it is for sure tedious doing it point by point.

Sepholio 07-06-2023 07:55 PM

Rerolling gear is the real gold sink.

Kalyx triaD 07-07-2023 08:46 AM

Main character is 60 and I'm having a crisis in Tier 3 where I know I have equip stronger gear but I'm terrified I'll never see my gear build again. I'm riding it til the wheels fall off.

drave 07-07-2023 09:51 AM

^

Same spot. Started the Tier III Capstone dungeon late last night. I thought I was 62, but I'm only 60.


Easily got to the boss, wiped him down to about | | and got 1 shotted. I imagine it is because I'm "underleveled".


Entirely possible to take him out and get to Tier IV, just gotta dance a bit. Then hopefully the better gear starts.


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Originally Posted by Seph42069
I have no idea what drave is talking about with it being expensive at end game. I'm rolling in so much gold that I could do 1000 full respecs.


You also play a shit ton more than I do. For me, I do not have a ton of time nor gold nor mats. I believe I have 3 million at this time.


Gold sinks:


Upgrades
Aspects
Enchantments
Respecs


All gets very expensive very quick for an "average" player, IMO.

Fignuts 07-07-2023 02:50 PM

I like that there is a lot more content to seasons in D4. Could never really get into seasonal play in d3, as they never really added enough where I felt engaged.

drave 07-07-2023 03:57 PM

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Season Mechanic

The Season of the Malignant special mechanic is the addition of Malignant monsters. Once you have completed part of the beginning of the Season Story questline up to the point that you have gotten the Cage of Binding you can start finding Partly Corrupted enemies which are a type of Malignant Monster, upon defeating them a Malignant Heart will drop and you will use the Cage of Binding on it to spawn a Fully Corrupted enemy. Once defeated it will drop a Malignant Heart that will correspond to the type of Malignant Monster it was. These Malignant Hearts can then be socketed into special colored sockets in Jewelry.
This season will introduce 6 new Uniques and 7 new Legendary Aspects. As we get more info on them we will post them here and be ready for our amazing build writers to update and create new and exciting builds with them!
You will inevitably end up with extra Malignant Hearts you don’t want to use and the good news is you can salvage them into crafting materials that will allow you to create Invokers that you can use in Malignant Tunnels to target farm specific colors of Malignant Hearts.
Malignant Tunnels are special dungeons in the world that will be highly replayable and will have a much higher chance for Malignant Monsters to spawn, they are also the only place that you will be able to find the new boss that is being added in this season Varshan the Consumed.

eh, this sounds similar to Destiny 2 seasons, which can be very hit or miss. it is about on par with D3, honestly. There'd be a "theme" a new "pet", for a while, new sets, and yeah.


Could be great. They gotta fix their nasty loot issue tho.

Sepholio 07-07-2023 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5621844)
I love that respeccing is so cheap that its completely viable to do it for a single fight.

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Originally Posted by durrrrrave (Post 5621852)
It is so fucking tedious and expensive at endgame :( LOOKING AT YOU PARAGON BOARD! (one.node.at.a.time)

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Originally Posted by durrrrrave (Post 5621999)
You also play a shit ton more than I do. For me, I do not have a ton of time nor gold nor mats. I believe I have 3 million at this time.

You said it gets expensive at end game. You are like level 60 in tier 3. You don't know what the end game is. You can get more gold than you have total in like 5-10 minutes in WT4. Anyone can.

Also a full level 100 respec including paragon costs about 400k. You could do that 7 times over with your 3 million already. How is that expensive?

Upgrading the highest tier items to level 5 costs 120k. It's not like you will be fully levelling items very often, especially at end game when it gets nigh impossible to find better items. How is that expensive when I make enough (and I'm not true end game, there are people pushing way higher NM and uber lilith) in 5 minutes to upgrade 2 full sets of ancestral uniques?

Same with aspects. You should really only be holding onto ones that are perfect or close to it, and even then it's very rare you need to pull them off and use them at end game because you already have them. The cost is already negligible and infrequently needed.

The ONLY gold sink is enchanting high level items multiple times. That's it. I don't know why you are seemingly bothered by someone who is higher level and more knowledgeable about the game trying to tell you how end game actually functions instead of you just guessing because you haven't experienced it.

drave 07-07-2023 04:53 PM

I am in no way bothered, that's silly.



For me, where I'm at, it is expensive subjective to what I have. I expect that to be the same for anyone - subjective to them.


I expect "endgame" to be just as much, if not more with how much I like to throw builds around and have fun.

Sepholio 07-07-2023 05:13 PM

And I'm telling you that as someone who has thrown builds around, made multiple fully upgraded sets of gear, has every aspect available from drops...gold is meaningless once you get to WT4 for anything other than enchanting. You will find yourself with gear sets for any build you want pretty quickly and then it will become the slog of the 1 in a million chance to upgrade a single item by a few points on something. All you'll be doing is hoarding a never ending supply of gold because you already have everything. One run through a t4 nm dungeon will get you enough trash rares to sell that youll have gold to do multiple full respecs.

Mats are so plentiful that I already have more than I would need through season 20 even if I never get another mat again.

This is not subjective. Gold is plentiful in ENDGAME. Where you aren't. When you can do a full respec and gear set after every dungeon there is no way you don't have enough gold. Unless you stop every 2 minutes to do a full change, you will have enough gold. And if you play like that you are probably the only person on Earth who does.

In regards to the T3 capstone boss one shotting you, it is absolutely because of your level. Nothing you do will change that facet of the battle until you get at least to 65, and realistically 67. There is a level difference penalty at play there. However, that penalty doesn't apply the same to your offense. You just need to kill it faster or like you said dance around. This is the same battle that made me respec from minions to bone spear. I went off and farmed a half ass set of gear to upgrade for a few minutes, respecced, and I one shot the boss. Within an hour of going to T4 I was already at the point that I either 1 or 2 shot every elite/boss in the game outside of world bosses/ubers.

Kalyx triaD 07-07-2023 08:06 PM

Seph I would have expected this kind of candor from you over this game, but speaking as somebody with lots of experience explaining my fave franchises to newcomers and casuals getting deeper into a game:

Your tone, word choice, and argumentation is exactly what makes core game communities completely repulsive. And it always surprises me that the more niche the game is, the more obnoxious the high level playerbase becomes.

Kalyx triaD 07-07-2023 08:09 PM

Some of you guys played fighters and shooters with me, not in a million years do I come off this way no matter the skill gap.

Fignuts 07-07-2023 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5622049)
eh, this sounds similar to Destiny 2 seasons, which can be very hit or miss. it is about on par with D3, honestly. There'd be a "theme" a new "pet", for a while, new sets, and yeah.


Could be great. They gotta fix their nasty loot issue tho.

It does remind me of destiny, but thats what I mean. To my memory, Diablo 3 seasons added new mechanics like the malignant theme, but besides that, it only shifted the meta with balance changes and gear updates. It didn't update the game with new features, stories, maps, enemies, etc. the way this new d4 season is described. It seems far more ambitious, and I appreciate that.

Sepholio 07-08-2023 01:20 PM

Yeah this season is at least equivalent to whatever the best season of Diablo 3 was in terms of mechanics alone, not even counting the new levels/story missions. Diablo 3 seasons were like OH LOOK DOUBLE GOBLINS.

Sepholio 07-08-2023 01:22 PM

I'm more concerned with what happens at the end of season 1. Do they fold the malignant stuff into the base game if its good and people like it in the way Path of Exile does? Or do they wipe the slate clean and its gone forever and replaced with some other mechanic next time?

If they don't at least add some of these features from seasons to the base over time then things will get stale much quicker.

Sepholio 07-08-2023 01:30 PM

Oh and Kalyx? Me giving people correct information for the game so they don't base things off of incorrect knowledge is what makes communuties repulsive? You can take that shit and shove it. Drave felt the need to change my name in his quote for some odd reason because I had the gall to say that he was wrong about end game because I actually know. I'm not gonna sugarcoat my explanation of why he's wrong because it hurts your feelings.

I don't know how you act in fighting game threads, ftr, but the difference here is I know you know more about the game than I do so if you gave me advice I would listen to it, not argue with you about it.

Sepholio 07-08-2023 01:39 PM

Thinking back more on D3 seasons, there were a couple times that they added in new tile sets for rifts, which I guess you could count as a new level if you wanted. Not sure that was with seasons though. Think some of it was done in regular patches around the time of the Necromancer DLC.

Fignuts 07-08-2023 02:27 PM

From what it sounds like, they're going to play it by ear and keep stuff around that players are receptive to, and wipe the rest.

Sepholio 07-08-2023 02:32 PM

Yeah I saw where they mentioned that. Hoping it's true. Obviously they'll have to either tone down some of the mechanics for a "base" version addition and do balancing so that power creep doesn't immediately take over and make the newest mechanic the only one that matters, but as long as they do something with it I'll be happy.

Kalyx triaD 07-09-2023 07:32 AM

Nobody's arguing about it and you'd be perfectly valid calling me out if I couldn't drop knowledge without an attitude, correct info or not.

drave 07-10-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5622059)
And I'm telling you that as someone who has thrown builds around, made multiple fully upgraded sets of gear, has every aspect available from drops...gold is meaningless once you get to WT4 for anything other than enchanting. You will find yourself with gear sets for any build you want pretty quickly and then it will become the slog of the 1 in a million chance to upgrade a single item by a few points on something. All you'll be doing is hoarding a never ending supply of gold because you already have everything. One run through a t4 nm dungeon will get you enough trash rares to sell that youll have gold to do multiple full respecs.

Mats are so plentiful that I already have more than I would need through season 20 even if I never get another mat again.

This is not subjective. Gold is plentiful in ENDGAME. Where you aren't. When you can do a full respec and gear set after every dungeon there is no way you don't have enough gold. Unless you stop every 2 minutes to do a full change, you will have enough gold. And if you play like that you are probably the only person on Earth who does.

In regards to the T3 capstone boss one shotting you, it is absolutely because of your level. Nothing you do will change that facet of the battle until you get at least to 65, and realistically 67. There is a level difference penalty at play there. However, that penalty doesn't apply the same to your offense. You just need to kill it faster or like you said dance around. This is the same battle that made me respec from minions to bone spear. I went off and farmed a half ass set of gear to upgrade for a few minutes, respecced, and I one shot the boss. Within an hour of going to T4 I was already at the point that I either 1 or 2 shot every elite/boss in the game outside of world bosses/ubers.


Yeah, did it at 60, solo, in under 10 seconds. Running around in Torment with everything at 73+ is...... fun.

Fignuts 07-10-2023 10:18 AM

Simping for Lilith the whole campaign because this world is full of assholes. Getting accosted by the church immediately afterwards just validated me.

LILITH WAS RIGHT

drave 07-10-2023 10:24 AM

Yup.


Very interested to see the DLC and where they go with it. Or I guess they are doing the story thing via campaign. Still - cool.

Kalyx triaD 07-10-2023 11:59 AM

I had a hard time seeing what exactly she was wrong about if there are in fact way worse demons than her and humans did need to level up. But like MCU Ultron she couldn't help herself being needlessly petty and murderous for reasons that did her no favors.

"My ex is an asshole and not worth your worship. I'm also literally the only demon who doesn't want to eat, enslave, or genocide you. My dad and his brothers will return eventually and I happen to like this world. So I want to teach all of you magic and how to loosen up a bit. Now drink this."

Roll credits.

drave 07-10-2023 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5622123)
Oh and Kalyx? Me giving people correct information for the game so they don't base things off of incorrect knowledge is what makes communuties repulsive? You can take that shit and shove it. Drave felt the need to change my name in his quote for some odd reason because I had the gall to say that he was wrong about end game because I actually know. I'm not gonna sugarcoat my explanation of why he's wrong because it hurts your feelings.

I don't know how you act in fighting game threads, ftr, but the difference here is I know you know more about the game than I do so if you gave me advice I would listen to it, not argue with you about it.




Silly man. I changed your name to Seph42069 because sometimes, the quote function is broken, so I manually copy pasta posts and put a name in there for reference.


42069 - because immature humor..... unless that has something to do with the endgame meta I'm not yet aware of. :wave:

Fignuts 07-10-2023 02:57 PM

Going to begin the arduous journey of collecting all the lilith alters. Heard some people say its a such a slog that it turned them off the game for a little while. Those people also did all of it in one shot. I plan on spreading it out. Do one area a day, mixing in dungeons, sidequests, and strongholds I haven't yet completed. So long as I get it done before season 1 starts, I'm good.

drave 07-10-2023 03:09 PM

It isn't terrible, but I wouldn't want to do it "in 1 sitting" either, for sure. Depending on your guide of choice, you can zip through each zone in ~15 - 30 minutes, notwithstanding any that would require you to have a stronghold done.

Kalyx triaD 07-11-2023 08:54 AM

Me and my bud had one hell of a Helltide run. He just got to Tier 3 so it was a lot of running around but he was tanky enough coming into it that he wasn't two tapped into respawn.

I am happiest with my lightning build than I ever been with a solid gameplay loop. I nearly reconsidered using two basic attacks in one loadout but that lightning super state rocks with the pimp slaps, especially with the thunder balls orbiting me.

Got a bunch of stuff saved for my other Sorcerers so I need to get them higher but no rush there.

road doggy dogg 07-11-2023 11:40 AM

feel dumb, p much already gave up on this game lol oops

drave 07-11-2023 12:03 PM

Eh...... there's good shit there, but there's also a lot left to be desired. I shouldn't talk tho, I'm only in T4, but way early.

Fignuts 07-11-2023 01:54 PM

This pussy ass tree of whispers refuses to give me the glyph I need. Wish there was a chainsaw build.

drave 07-11-2023 02:12 PM

I thought glyphs only came from running Nightmare dungeons? I dunno, maybe not. I get a ton of them from running NM dungeons though.

Fignuts 07-11-2023 02:39 PM

I wasn't sure if my build was optimized enough yet for running those solo. Guess I should just try one and see.

Kalyx triaD 07-11-2023 03:00 PM

Glyphs seem to drop from everywhere for me. Tree people, Nightmare Dungeon, Helltide.

Nightmare Dungeons are not as crazy as they sound, it just adds some modifiers to shake things up.

I wish those Tree Head missions gave an extra point each. Kinda draggy.

drave 07-11-2023 03:29 PM

Right. Think of them as Greater Rifts from D3, but with modifiers. Some of them can be pretty shitty depending on your class.


You get a quest to craft your first sigil..... which just made me realize.....




Sigil or glyph? Sigils are the things used to make a dungeon a NM dungeon. Glyphs are the cool things that you add to the paragon board.


https://www.icy-veins.com/d4/guides/...n-glyph-guide/


^
There's a PrettyBasic glyph guide.


Here's a PrettyBasic NM Dungeon guide


https://www.icy-veins.com/d4/guides/...dungeon-guide/


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