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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Official teaser...
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Film is going to be a narrative train wreck
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Yeah.... Still really wish they recast T'Challa... I get "respect" and all, but there's also "legacy" and "impact" of the character....
I have to admit that was a hot trailer though... great editing.... |
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No matter what they did the Boseman thing was going to be hanging over it. Hopefully the film can let people grieve, cope, and move on.
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I think most peoole did that 2 years ago
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A friend had the idea that the new Panther should be Nakia and not Shuri. It'd be an interesting angle because in terms of the narrative from the last movie she was the one who pushed T'Challa to be more helpful towards the world. Obviously it's nowhere near established comic lore and I'm sure it'd anger some purists but it wouldn't be completely out of the blue.
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Itll def be Shuri
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Oy vey.
This looks rough. |
Nakia didn't even appear in Avengers, bro... so no one know who she even is
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What if it is Lock Jaw
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What if its Lockjaw
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If it isn't then that should def be in s2 of What If...?
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There's too many moving parts, here. It was a potential shitstorm at the intersections of cultural touchstone, defining actor, respect for the dead, and any other controversy and/or non-troversey a recast would herald... justified or not. Why bother with it? "The only winning move is not to play." |
Strongly disagree. I think the cost to young black boys is beyond tragic. Losing a hero that could have defined a generation is the worst play that could have been played. The Halloween following BP1 its was THE costume.
Hopefully Anthony Mackie's Cap4 can fill that role but i have no faith in the actor (RIP Altered Carbon.) Shuriis popular amongst a sect of the audience so hopefully this all female avengers theyve winked at takes off and this can atleast work for young girls (cross ethnically) but the loss of T'Challa, who imo is the single best black hero with all his depth and complexity, its a huge negative culturally for a token tribute that wont be half as memorable as the impact the character could have had. And frankly, psychologically speaking, recasting superman was right. It can fail but telling kids their heroes are dead is worse than a film failing. |
Also, was there an outrage at Rhodey being recast? I remember it just being like "ok, whatever"
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In defnese of tbat no one cares about war machine
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who tf is war machine? That sounds like a jobber character.
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Hey, nothing goes over my head! My reflexes are too fast.
I would catch it. |
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Doing that with T'Challa would have led to a larger PR mess than letting Mr. Boseman be deified within the MCU meta like so much Stan Lee, and that's even giving them the benefit of the doubt that a recast would come with careful consideration and picking someone with the damn near impossible ability fit the role, act well, and walk the line of being similar enough without veering into "cheap Chadwick knockoff". That's a hard bullseye to hit, let alone come near, and even if they did, it would still, more likely than not, come off bad to fans. The shit flinging would drop from merely bad to downright disasterous if whoever the new T'Challa was sucked ass. It wasn't worth the gamble. On a personal note, I think it says a lot about the guy behind the role that even a heartless monolithic corporation considers him irreplaceable. He was the right person in the right place at the right time. Lightning in a bottle on a clear sunny day. And I say all that as a guy who never really got into Black Panther as a kid. He came off to me like a dick, and I wondered why one of the few black characters who was supposed to be a hero was such an asshole. Maybe I just caught the wrong appearances. |
I prefer the way they're doing it. It would have felt weird and off to me, no matter who they got to replace boseman. Plus, I like Shuri in the comics so I'm kind of hyped to see her in the role on screen.
It has to be good though. If they're going to do this, it can't be poor or even solid. They have to slam dunk it. |
Just should have had Lance Reddick and dressed him up like Wesley Snipes.
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I seriously feel for DC fans. Such great characters and fans who want to see these great characters yet they get new Batman and Joker movies over and over again.
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Newest trailer. I suppose it only makes sense that'd we'd be getting Attuma, too.
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Second trailer got me less excited than the first. Dunno why.
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burnout and or hero fatigue setting in
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That's probably it. Like this trailer was more a reminder of "oh yeah, this is just another Marvel movie".... where the editing and visuals of the first trailer made it look interesting and unique...
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Didn't realize Ironheart would be in this.
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Yeah, this is a weird place to have Ironheart featured. Granted, I don't know much about the character but you would think they'd just want to focus on Wakanda and Atlantis.
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Iron Heart fits in a Black Panther for reasons that are kinda regressive ("I mean she's black they're black so...") but despite what MCU appears - there's only so many slots to introduce characters and their origin stories in their pipeline. I personally would have went with Arnor Wars (now a movie) considering her relation to Rhody and what she creates for herself, but I can't fault them for giving her a B or C plot in a movie that will have a lot of eyes. When her show comes along they could skip past particulars of who she is and where she came from.
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Yeah, I can see the benefits, I'm just worried they're putting too much into this film. Especially considering they HAVE to knock this one out of the park.
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Confused as to what Namor and or Attuma is supposed to be here. Atlantean or the last of a long lost tribe of Mayans.
Might skip this. |
People have tried link Mayan civilization and atlantis before, so its not completely random.
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Film seems really busy
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Im curious what the run time will be. Seems like they need nearly 3 hours for all this
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Gonna watch tmw.
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I already gave it my (positive) rating in the other thread but I will add one more little personal bonus that I didn't bring up there. 95% of the time, everything is being taken seriously. The Marvel humor formula barely permeates, and the movie is much better for it. Also, even though it's got a pretty hefty runtime, it doesn't feel like it.
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No after credits scene.
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If I am seeing it alone, I usually stay until the credits are done at every movie anyways.
Was gonna go see this today but then thought "nah".... will go tomorrow maybe... |
Black Panther 2 - 5/10
What a slog. They could have cut half the run time and half the characters and the film wouldnt have changed. Namor was cool in action but aestheticlly unappealing. There's a lot wrong with the movie. Hated the score. I could shit on the film for being as bad as it is but everyone who watches will pick up on it on their own. There's really no need. Still better than Eternals. |
This was always going to be a Disney plus venture for me.
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Feeling like zero desire to go out and see this, but dammit if the Marvel machine don't have its hooks in me... going out to see it now....
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Damn.... theater was empty when I bought the tickets a few minutes ago but there are two people right in front of me.... gross... humans....
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There were maybe 10 people in theater with me. Maybe. Last time was a packed house
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Theater was packed saturday.
Honestly this is the 2nd best movie from Marvel phase 4 behind Spiderman. |
Back from it... I actually really enjoyed it. Best movie since Eternals.
I could see myself actually willingly watching it again, which does not really happen with Marvel movies/content anymore. |
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I actually "dislike it" when I'm seeing a movie with other people and I feel "pressured" to leave before the end of the credits. Feel like I haven't experienced the whole movie.
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kick your own ass for that. do it.
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