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Nomar is out of Boston
4 team deal
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This is the deal apparently:
Red Sox get: SP Matt Clement SS Orlando Cabrera Cubs get: SS Nomar Garciaparra Twins get: Derek Lowe Expos get: prospects |
Damn.
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Nope that wasn't the deal:
Sox: Cabrera and Mientkiewicz Cubs: Nomar Expos: Alex Gonzalez Twins: Prospects FU</s>CK without Clement, this is a terrible deal. |
We didn't get anything special but I'm glad to see Nomar go. I just wish we got Matt Clement
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Haha, yes. I really don't like Nomar. Speaking of The Red Sox, though, did you all see The Daily Show last night? It was great. I'm REALLY gonna paraphrase here: Jon: How do you think Kerry should handle his campaign? Rob: He's doing good now, that's for sure. But his campaign consultants shouldn't get too cocky. Even if they keep doing this well, when they fall asleep at night, they will not be able to get rid of the feeling of impending doom. Jon: Don't you think it's a bit too early to say things like that? Rob: I'm from Boston, I know. You keep thinking, (gets very intense) maybe this Fall will be the one! You buy all the stuff for a victory party, you make out a guest list, you invite all your friends, then you sit there, all alone, Kerry lets Florida slip right through his legs, costing him. Jon: That's really interesting, Rob. Rob: Fuck the Yankees. |
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There is also a rumor of Dave Roberts for a prospect. |
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Edit - it was someone from the AAA team |
Phew.
I'm glad the Cubbies still got Nomar, kept Clement, and got rid of Alex Shitty Gonzalez. :yes: |
This trade is disgusting IMO
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yeah, the other part that they're saying got dropped was Clement for Lowe.
Anyway... the Sox lose hitting in Nomar but upgrade defense at 2 spots, and get better club house guys. Also, Nomar is still resting his injury and gone in 2 months... am I thrilled about the deal, no... there's no flashy name... but some solid players, shore up some defense. Pitching, Defense, Speed (Roberts)... and they still have hitting... Manny, Ortiz, and others... Plus, you didn't give up the farm system... |
OH shit. I'd rather have Clement than Cabrera.
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ya know, the more I look at this... I'm ok with it..
Nomar has been pissy, whiney... Defense has been a big problem and they just got 2 gold glovers. Plus Roberts is a defense/speed guy... it's interesting cause all year the team has relied on trying to win 10-9, now there bringing in some defense, healthy players that can play every day... I dunno, time will tell.... |
It's gonna be so weird seeing Nomar in a Cubs uniform that's for sure:-\
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Awesome..ANOTHER 1st basemen..just what we need
Mientkiewicz has 5 HR and 25 RBI :| Red Sox are one of the tops in run scores but its very missing leading, they don't score when it counts. Losing offense is going to hurt. I think this trade is garbage. Trade away one of the top shortstops in the game for some "defensive depth" give me a break. |
Nomar is my favorite player, but I can understand wanting to trade him but is this really the best we could get? I am sure he was going to walk at the end of the season anyways after the way he has been dissed all offseason plus all the shit he has been given this season aswell. I dunno about this trade at all.
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Stima... they're the worst defensive team in the league (or one of) they had to do something about defense.
W/ trot done for the year or close to it, expect to see Millar play more RF, Ortiz his horrible at 1st and will stick to DH. and yes, they hit a lot of runs when it doesn't count, but that includes nomar, he's hasn't been Mr. Clutch in a long time. It's tough, he's always been a sox, through the minors, seeing him gone is strange, but he was gone anyway... and two gold glovers... plus the addition of Roberts speed (expect to also see him in RF). It's not the big flashy names, but I'm ok w/ it.... we'll have to see how it plays out. They've lost a lot of games due to errors... hopefully the defense will keep us in games now, and especially help Lowe who has struggled and is a ground ball pitcher. |
Yea McCarty could put up 5 HR and 25 RBI if he played everyday like Mientkiewicz and McCarty is known for his D
Nomar wasnt the problem on D, the problem is having shit bums like Millar playing Left field, or playing 1st base. Sox put more "utility guys" in the outfield then any other team I have ever seen. Since it seem pretty obvious Nomar had to go I wish we could have gotten some sort of a stellar outfielder for him. Sox don't need another SS they already have Ricky (I am assuming he will be back soon?) |
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I ment Pokey...my bad
Ricky sucks lol |
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and yes, Nomar was a big part of the problem, he's always had problems at SS, and yes I'd rather see Pokey/Cabrera then Pokey/Bellhorn. and yes, McCarty is known for his D, but Mientkiewicz is better and a better hitter. I know, no big star names... but you weren't going to get it for a disgruntled, injured player who is going to walk in 2 months. I won't say I "love" the deal, but I'm willing to see how it plays out, it helps depth and is helps defense... 2 gold glovers... Time will tell, if they start droping games 3-2 and 2-1, then the argument could be made they needed nomars bat, on the other hand, the argument would be made they'd lose 5-4 and 4-3 if they still had him. |
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You guys are going to fall in love with Caberera, serously. This guy is awesome another Expos gem. Fuck me, you guys realy don't know how lucky you are. As an Expos fan, I'm pissed. Alex Gonzales? gimme a fucking break.
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Yeah, Caberera is the shit.
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This deal, is going to make me a Red Sox fan... sorta.
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His power numbers and average will go up. I doubt they'll be Nomar-esque, but they'll be good. Also he has speed and as long as the Sox management lets him run, he should be good for 25-30 SB's. He's good defensively too.
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Wow.
Good for Nomar to get out of there. |
Honestly this trade isn't that bad probably, but I am sad to see Nomar go. He has been my favorite player for a long time now...Guess I am going to have retire my #5 Garciaparra Jersey now :(
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Yea I liked Nomar. *Like, still do.
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Kind of how I felt when Pettite left this year
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there goes the twins chances for the pennant :(
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HOLY SHIT THE CUBS ARE STACKED NOW.
Nomar is a HUGE upgrade over Alex Gonzalez. Boston got screwed. Ya they got better defence but losing a player like Nomar, who has the heart of a warrior, will definetly get them nowhere. Nomar leaving Boston is like Jeter leaving New York :nono: Stupid Epstein :mad: |
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Up untill this season I always saw Nomar as being part of the Red Sox but he could never get over the trade talk for A-Rod. He hasn't had the heart of a warrior lately. I am sad to see him go, he was a great guy but he is better off going some place where he feels he can by happy and we are better off getting some players for him instead of waiting for him just to leave. |
That whole A-Rod business, was so screwed up, that it ended up costing the Red Sox Nomar. I'm soooooo surprised it didn't cost you Red Sox fans Manny as well, considering they put him on unprotected waivers during the off season. Props to Manny I guess, but he's such a clueless bastard, mentally. Great player, but I think he's "door knob" smart.
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How do you know that is true? I highly doubt it is
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Well Red Sox management has been notorious for treating players like crap, so no wonder Nomar would say something like that.
I think had someone picked up Manny, they would have went back to Texas to renegotiated the A-Rod deal. |
The management that is known for treating players like crap is no longer there tho, the management that ran Clemens out of town is gone
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If someone took Manny they probably wouldn't have done the A-rod deal. Manny was the deal for A-rod, if someone claimed Manny, that would have freed around 20-25mil, they probably would have made a run at Vlad and/or Tejada and w/ Tejada traded nomar to the White Sox for Ordonez (which was the nomar trade rumor that nomar suposidly got pissy about).
Even w/o the possible deal, I think Nomar still wanted out, he doesn't like the big time media... but see theres a problem he doesn't get... to make 15mil a year you need to play for a big market team, which means big market media! He actually called a radio station from his honeymoon to say "I never said I didn't want to play here" and they asked him questions like "If they got A-rod, would you be willing to play 2nd" and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" it was a total PR crap phone call, his agent made him do it, and he lost a lot of respect around here, question after question and he'd respond "I really can't speak on that because no one from the Red Sox has told me what's going on" then to top it off, he said he hadn't gotten any contract offers, then it comes out the sox offered him somewhere around 12-13/yr over 4yrs and he turned it down, which made him look like a bigger ass. Then he comes back from his injury and plays in the minors and then slumps in the majors and yells at the press "I shouldn't be here yet, I should still be rehab the injury but I rushed it because the fans thought I was faking" or something close to that. He wasn't staying here... We got 2 gold glovers which we desprately needed. As for how the Sox treat players, that was the old Regime, this one has been pretty good to it's players, but still not afraid to make cold business decisions. |
Let's also remember, Clemens said he wants to play closer to home... and went to Toronto...
Mo Vaughn was a home-town favorite... more then Nomie... and he said it "wasn't about the money" and then went to Anihiem who was the highest bidder. |
yankees are still gonna win
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Doesn't mean the sox will either... the Cubs go a key peice they're missing, and the AL West looks strong. |
I'd have to say right now Cards've gotta be the favourites
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Oakland wll win the West and then they'll blow it in the playoffs..again. They will probably lose the final game because Brynes will be arguing with the ump while the other team scores all of its players on base.
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Kept calling out to Brynes and finally he looks over and I said "Ya find home plate yet?" Everyone including the people in the camera pit started cracking up. |
Also, interesting reports that Nomar has been telling the Sox his ankle wasn't 100% and he would be day-to-day and would probably need to go on the DL sometime in the final 2 months, going as far as to say he wanted to be 100% healthy for november when he needs to take his free agent physical.
Theo has gone to say that if they felt Nomar was 100% they probably wouldn't have delt him, but they'd rather have a full-time SS then Guetieriez... Nomar aperently has now said he's 100% and wont need any time off, etc... etc... The more I hear, the more I think he's a shit. |
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Gerry Callahan: "Nomar Takes Phony Express Out of Town" Boston Herald 8.2.04: "I called him in his hotel room just to wish him luck and thank him for all he did for the franchise," Sox CEO Larry Lucchino said last night. "Then I asked him, 'How's the heel?' He said, 'It's great.'" "(I said,) 'Great? How can it be great? Two days ago, you thought you were going to have to go on the DL.' He said, 'Yeah, well, it's great now.'" Gordon Edes Must be in on "Conspiracy" Too Boston Globe 8.2.04: Yesterday, Garciaparra evaded answering questions about those assertions directly. At first, he said he could not respond because he did not know what the team had said. He then said that what was said was between him and the trainers, then emphasized that to date he only had missed a game or two at a time since coming off the DL. Silverado is Obviously on the Take as Well Boston Herald 8.2.04: According to club sources, Garciaparra informed the team's medical staff that the continuing discomfort in his Achilles tendon would probably require a stint on the disabled list sometime in the final two months of the season. Sox sources even alleged that Garciaparra said that he wanted to make sure he was healthy at the end of the season, when he would have to take a November physical as part of the free agent process. |
Leave Byrnesy alone :rant: He worked on his baserunning ok guys :(
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3 Boston Hearld stories so it makes it true?
Hearld spews a lot of BS |
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Had they secured A-Rod, they were moving Nomar. Jeter, on the other hand was still being kept by the Yankees and in fact was keeping his position. That says volumes about the Red Sox' management. Then factor in the waiver placement of Manny, how can you say they aren't treating players like shit. |
If we got A-Rod I don't understand why we had to get rid of Nomar, why couldn't we have kept both and moved one to a different spot like 2B or 3B?
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I think that's what Hero was saying, the Management had it in their heads that they would get A-Rod and just move nomar
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So, we were going to trade Nomar to get Ordonez, thats why. Plus, Nomar was/is a free agent to be, who had turned down a huge contract already. As for Manny, keep in mind the current regieme didn't sign him, it wasn't because they didn't want one of the best hitters in the game, it was they didn't want to pay him 22mil/year. It was a financial move. Can't compare Theo/Co. to Duqette/Co. |
Come Back Nomar :'( i cant believe hes a fucking cub :mad:
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Atleast he'll never face the Red Sox...Unless they make the World Series:lol:
Cheap shot i know *runs off* |
Yesterday in the Globe there was a story about how to help your child deal with the loss of Nomar. :roll:
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Kind of both, but mainly the Sox
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Wow, Cubs/Sox would be fk'n great in the Series this year. As far as a story goes, not as far as me wanting the Sox there :mad:
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It's questionable whether the Sox will even make the playoffs right now anyway
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Bostons schedule is really favorable tho.
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So is the Yank's though, its so so unlikely Boston coming back and winning the division, so they gotta win the wildcard, and that is certainly not going to be easy with Texas, Anaheim and Chicago all very capable and in the hunt, hell even Cleveland aren't totally out of it
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Alright this is from Bill Simmons article about Nomar.
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I stand by my original point. Good for Nomar to get out of there IMO.
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I still think Texas is going to fade eventually, but I've been saying that all year :shifty: I think the Sox have a pretty good shot at it, I didn't really like this Nomar trade at first but I think it will probably end up working out for the better of the team. Although Nomar was the man :( |
Texas probably will fade, as everyone has said they don't have the pitching. Oakland are looking pretty hot though and with Hudson on the way back things can only look better, i guess what they really need is for Zito and Dotel to start doing what we know they can do. Anaheim i reckon will give it a good shot too, Bartolo Colon has been throwing well recently and they've certainly got the bats to back up the pitching so i guess we'll have to wait and see. Boston technically has everything too so it should be an exciting race!
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Dotel sucks, he throws it 99 mph down the middle every time. He strikes alot of guys out but he gives up just as many home runs. He is not ready to close.
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This just gets better...
Nomar had never said how he injured his ankle. Now, he finally claims he was hit by a ball during batting practice... which seems rather unlikely... and now, a report comes out that he actually hurt it... get this... playing soccer! LMFAO! |
Stop whining!
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Whenever Boston trades/gets rid of a player, they go from being loved to being hated. Stima is the only guy that hasnt been on Nomas nuts. |
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hows does it feel to look like an idiot and not get a joke? :?:
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Pretty damned good :wave:
BTW, Morneau |
maybe you should have noticed that im a fan of the Twins anyways and have been for a long time, so the joke was a joke at you. :y:
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I think I understood it the first time
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I haven't been a big nomar fan for about a year, he's been a selfish player, and a whiney bitch. He's done nothing but lie to the team, media, fans. I was happy to see him go. I can't say I've felt that way about any other boston player traded or lost via free agency in a long time, so try knowing what you're talking about next time. |
Keep in mind Boston execs are in a huge hole here. A lot of their players are on their contract years, they have a huge payroll, and now it could go down to the wire with Texas and Anaheim to even make the playoffs. There is no doubt that they lost a lot of talent trading Nomar for Mienkey and Cabrera. With the right press they can take the pressure off of them and put it on Nomar, so they are leaking everything bad they possibly can on Nomar right now. Of course when you trade an established superstar at the deadline while in the middle of a pennant race you are going to need to try any make it the players fault as much as possible. Not saying that Nomar wasn't a bad guy or any of that, personally I like him, but it wasn't him that fucked up as much as some of the others.
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I think its pretty funny how everybody is making up BS about Nomar, and then people are eating it up.
Why would he fake an injury in a free agent year? That makes no sense. Nomar even said it himself, also why if he HATED it so bad here would he and Mia Hamm purchase a house in the area? Everybody is just making shit up to try to make themselves feel good about this Nomar trade. Nomar even touched on that "dugout" incident in New York. He was shown giving guys high fives and everything. ONE time though he was shown sitting in the dogout, while everyone else was standing up, Nomar said that the other players actaully told him do that because they believed it was good luck in that situation for scoring runs. Now usually I would think that is bullshit in any other sport, but not in baseball. |
Pretty funny how he hurt his ankle playing soccer after he was already traded hahaha
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who knows... I believe that more then "I got hit by a ball during batting practice". No one said he faked the original injury, but he did tell the Sox he was going to need to go on the DL sometime in the next 2 months and even commented that he wanted to be 100% healthy for the free agency physical. He calls a radio station from his honeymoon and calls the show that's the least hard hitting and says how he wants to play here and hasn't gotten any offers, turns out he did and he turned down more money then he's going to get now. Refuses to answer question abot possible moving positions, it's also come out that he was asked if he would move to 3rd for A-rod to play SS and he said no, so theres another reason he was on the block. He got his nose bent out of shape because they talked about trading him, geee... they have a bunch of top free agents and moving him would have been part of a move to get one of the best 5 tool players in the league, possible the best. It's like he was "too good" to be traded, like he's the first superstar ever traded... ask Gretzkey about it... As for the house, big deal.. he's here, what? 1/2 the year? a lot of players, especially ones w/ familys (wife only in his case) get a house where they play even if they don't live there year round. Anyway, no, I don't think the Sox are looking to deflect bad press on the trade or team performance, I think they got sick of nomie running his mouth after the trade and shot back. |
I dont get why everyone is so quick to pointout he turned down a contract..so what? Maybe he just wanted to test the waters and see what he could get. That doesn't mean he wanted to leave Boston. I am sure he figured Boston would match whatever offer he got.
And I haven't seen Nomie "running his mouth" but I have seen a lot of junk being said about Nomar that was never mentioned until he was traded. Sure there was the usual thing here and there but since he has been traded there has been a lot of reports coming out bashing Nomar. The soccer one is the funniest by far, even if he did get injuried playing Soccer so what? Its not like its in his contract that he cant play it. Plus I highly doubt he really did get hurt playing soccer becuase that would have been all over the news in the first place. Much like the Jeff Kent injury a few years back |
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2) Theres a difference... Kent was on a bike and people saw it happen... if Nomie we assume was out of state and probably w/ mia and friends... who's going to run and tell? The womens league folded... Think Mia would do anything to hurt the "bread winner" also, while his contract probably didn't ban "soccer" unlike some contracts (I remember Greenwells banned race car driving, that he did anyway). Where he injured himself not in a baseball related way, they probably could have not paid him this year until healthy. That being said... I was sad to see Clemens go, Mo Vaughn (even though I figured he'd gain weight and get injured in aniheim) and so on... I just think Nomie wanted out and did everything he could to force it. Look at Ty Law, him and his agent tried everything they could to get cut in the offseason, didn't work, Ty shut his mouth and is now back to work on being one of the best CB in the league and increase his value and eventually become a free agent. Somewhere, somehow in the past few years, Nomie became more about Nomie then the team. |
Is Boston pretty much giving up on this season now? Thats what it looks like.
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Why would you give up on the season if yu were in first place in the Wild Card
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I'm pretty sure they are behind Texas right now with Anaheim within a game of the mix too. When you are looking to win a World Series you usually don't trade a perennial all-star for a guy hitting 240. They just totally downgraded a struggling team in the midst of the Wild Card race.
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Boston are winning the Wildcard i think, Texas will drop off soon i am sure:shifty:
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Texas has started their drop off a bit, but Boston isn't pulling away by any means
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Trust me Texas doesn't have a chance, they were a nice little story for a little while but now they're proving they don't have any pitching. Kenny Rogers is the bets pitcher on the staff and he's incredibly inconsistent. Anaheim is the only thing left in the way of Boston, unless the Indians can get really hot
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Yeah, this is where you can see Texas' character. The BoSox must be pretty confident that the other teams will fall off though.
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Texas just doesn't have the pitching and even Rogers has been struggling recently
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He has been stuck at 11 wins since the break
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Anaheim took it. They've been shit hot lately and their schedule is ridiculous. Orioles, Tigers, Rays, and Royals coming up.
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SportsCenter just showed it, as of right now there is a three way tie for Wildcard, Boston, Texas, and Anaheim. Anaheim could definately pose a threat.
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Now that they've got all their injured guys back sans-Glaus they have really started to play. Escobar and Colon are finally heating up. They really need Washburn back though.
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