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Mr. JL 10-29-2004 06:37 PM

Poll! JBL V. Booker in main event
 
Should John Bradshaw Layfield V. Booker T for the WWE Championship be the main event for Survivor Series?

If Booker gets the 'nod' should this match be the main event? He would become the first ever black WWE Champion by my count. The fans have popped huge for him the past two weeks of his face turn. However, if the match sucks and the fans are pissed off it could very much hurt Booker's reign as Champion ...but even if this match is NOT in the main event and sucks Booker's reign will be lacking non the less.

I believe that if the WWE wants Booker to look BIG then I would put his match in the main event. Fans will go, WHOA shit he's in the main event. FUCKING KICK ASS.

My gut feelings are that the fans will POP like crazy (simular to Eddie's and Benoit's title victories) if Booker takes home the belt.

Thoughts? ... Votes?

....wait for Poll

Disturbed316 10-29-2004 06:39 PM

He will also be the first "Invasion" wrestler to win the World/WWE title (I think anyway)

Mr. JL 10-29-2004 06:41 PM

TRUE.

DaveWadding 10-29-2004 06:42 PM

Rocky is black.

John la Rock 10-29-2004 06:43 PM

It will be the main-event no doubt

looks as if EVolution is going to be in a Survivor Series match. so the World Heavyweight title will not be defended

Mr. JL 10-29-2004 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding
Rocky is black.

That cracker is white in comparison to Booker

Mr. Nerfect 10-29-2004 06:52 PM

But in terms of race...:-\

The Rock's actually Samoan isn't he? It doesn't really matter, however. I think Booker & JBL should get the main event slot. JBL will probably win, or get disqualifyed. I would love to see Booker T win the title, however. I'm hoping for a 6-Man Hell in a Cell or an Elimination Chamber at Armageddon. JBL vs. Booker T vs. The Big Show vs. Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker.

Mr. JL 10-29-2004 07:01 PM

^
That would be alright but Guerrero, Angle & Show are in the classic survivor series match and Taker is facing Little Johnny so we have to face reality.... I bet RVD is the first one eliminated in the classic survivor series match because that is a reality I have come to expect.

123 kid 10-29-2004 07:16 PM

Yeah I think this should happen, but only if Booker wins, I don't want the 5-Time WcW champion to job to a Richboy Nazi! Booker is getting old now, and will probably retire within the next few years, so they should give him at least one championship run, he sure as hell deserves one!
Also, would this be Booker T's first main event since coming to the WWE?

Mr. JL 10-29-2004 07:25 PM

^

He was in the main event for...

1. Invasion '01 - Inaugural Brawl
2. Summer Slam '01 - WCW Championship - Booker T V. The Rock
3. Survivor Series '01 - Winner Takes All Match (if this counts)
4. Survivor Series '02 - Elimination Chamber Match (again, if this counts)

Only one... one on one main event for Booker thus far in the WWE.

Innovator 10-29-2004 07:44 PM

Prediction, if it is the last match, Booker gets the belt

SuperSlim 10-29-2004 08:07 PM

I still say I don't wanna see Booker in the match. Let alone as the main attraction main event for Survivor Series. I mean this is one of the big 4.

Funky Fly 10-29-2004 08:43 PM

Booker T should have won at WM 18. Therefore, there is no reason he shouldn't main event now.

Also, the Rock is half black, half samoan.

SuperSlim 10-29-2004 08:46 PM

all i wanna know is what is so special about him that he deserves to be the WWE champion. And if it's cause he's been wrestlinjg for so long and it's about time he gets it then don't even bother sayin that cause that is not a reason.

Loose Cannon 10-29-2004 08:50 PM

No because I am hearing they MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT be doing a War Games match with RAW's main event.

SuperSlim 10-29-2004 08:52 PM

if they do they better not have Maven in it otherwise it will truly suck

Loose Cannon 10-29-2004 08:52 PM

YUP. EVO and Edge vs Benoit, Orton, Y2J and Maven

The CyNick 10-29-2004 09:14 PM

It should be the main event, since it is for the WWE Championship and since SD is doing much better numbers than RAW lately.

But if they go with War Games, I'm almost certain that would be the main event.

Hey what do you know, Hunter will be in that match. Well I'll be damned!

Mr. Nerfect 10-29-2004 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick
It should be the main event, since it is for the WWE Championship and since SD is doing much better numbers than RAW lately.

But if they go with War Games, I'm almost certain that would be the main event.

Hey what do you know, Hunter will be in that match. Well I'll be damned!

I hope they make the WWE Championship the main event, even if they do take the route of a War Games match.

The CyNick 10-29-2004 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06
I hope they make the WWE Championship the main event, even if they do take the route of a War Games match.

I would like to see that as well, just because its for the title, but it would be tough to follow War Games crowd wise.

Mr. Nerfect 10-29-2004 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick
I would like to see that as well, just because its for the title, but it would be tough to follow War Games crowd wise.

Definately. It woul almost be like having the Royal Rumble before the WWE Championship match. I think if they book JBL vs. Booker T to be a major match, and have the commentators put it over as a more traditional form of competition and really use the hitory of the WWE Championship to build this up (especially with the DVD on its way out), I think this match could be lively.

If the WWE puts both guys on even ground, and makes sure they keep the match hyped throughout the night (so the fans don't forget about it, even during the War Games), I can see the respective main events being almost evenly distributed amonst the fans as far as reactions go. If Booker & JBL put in 110% effort, and work a 30+ minute passion filled match, I think we could see a **** match (I believe JBL is better than a lot of people give him credit for).

The CyNick 10-29-2004 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06
Definately. It woul almost be like having the Royal Rumble before the WWE Championship match. I think if they book JBL vs. Booker T to be a major match, and have the commentators put it over as a more traditional form of competition and really use the hitory of the WWE Championship to build this up (especially with the DVD on its way out), I think this match could be lively.

If the WWE puts both guys on even ground, and makes sure they keep the match hyped throughout the night (so the fans don't forget about it, even during the War Games), I can see the respective main events being almost evenly distributed amonst the fans as far as reactions go. If Booker & JBL put in 110% effort, and work a 30+ minute passion filled match, I think we could see a **** match (I believe JBL is better than a lot of people give him credit for).

Thats one thing I hate about the way the WWE handles SD. If you listen to how JR puts over the HHH Title on RAW, he talks about the "history" it has and emphasizes that its "THE" world championship. SD's big selling point should be that they have the linear and quote unquote "real" World title. Its the title that you can date back both from WWE and WCW. But because SD is not the HHH show, they dont say that. Or I assume thats the reason anyway.

Loose Cannon 10-29-2004 09:52 PM

I don't see those two getting a great response following a war games match at all. I would want the War Games match last personally, cause I could give a rats ass about both of them or that Title.

The CyNick 10-29-2004 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
I don't see those two getting a great response following a war games match at all. I would want the War Games match last personally, cause I could give a rats ass about both of them or that Title.

Funny, thats how I feel about Trips' title.

Mr. Nerfect 10-29-2004 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick
Thats one thing I hate about the way the WWE handles SD. If you listen to how JR puts over the HHH Title on RAW, he talks about the "history" it has and emphasizes that its "THE" world championship. SD's big selling point should be that they have the linear and quote unquote "real" World title. Its the title that you can date back both from WWE and WCW. But because SD is not the HHH show, they dont say that. Or I assume thats the reason anyway.

Yeah, I've always assumed that the WWE Championship on SmackDown! is actually the Undisputed Championship that Chris Jericho started at Vengeance 2001 by winning both the World Championship (WCW Championship) and (the then) WWF Championship. I've always considered it to be WWF Championship+WCW Championship= Undisputed Championship/WWE Championship. I don't know why, but I never considered the titles to be unifyed. I just pictured them defended, retained and lost together. Almost as if they were one championship.

I think the WWE should use this somehow, and have Booker T claims he wants to become a six-time WCW Champion, and a first-time WWE Champion. I can even see Booker T bringing back the WCW Championship to represent his heavyweight championship reign.

If the WWE took this route, it would make the heavyweight title scene on RAW look almost completely different. On SmackDown!, they have the spirits of the past surrounding the championship and its travels, while on RAW, you have guys like Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Y2J, Kane, Maven, Batista, Randy Orton, Ric Flair, etc. trying to establish a new championship, that can take the heat of the "Ultimate Championship" on SmackDown! away from it. It would almost make RAW look like the underdog show, which I can see working for it, sinc eit has the recognizable live timeslot.

Savio 10-30-2004 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Funky Fly
Booker T should have won at WM 18. Therefore, there is no reason he shouldn't main event now.

Yeah he should have went over Edge.

Mr. Nerfect 10-30-2004 02:22 AM

And over Triple H at WrestleMania XIX.

Loose Cannon 10-30-2004 02:41 AM

Booker Should of went over The Rock right when he came in. DDP over Taker. RVD over Austin. BAM. That's how you book the Invasion.

Batsu 10-30-2004 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Booker Should of went over The Rock right when he came in. DDP over Taker. RVD over Austin. BAM. That's how you book the Invasion.

Yep.

redoneja 10-30-2004 07:46 PM

POSSIBLE SPOILER:


For the Nov 20 show at the DC Armory The WWE has been advertising JBL as the Champ defending against Big Show. I know plans are subject to change but this could be taken into consideration.

The CyNick 10-30-2004 08:13 PM

I dont think BT is winning the title. Not that I put much stock into what house shows say, but I just dont see it happening. I think they are just using this program as another notch on JBL's belt until he drops the title to Show at the Dec PPV. Then I figure Show drops to Angle in January at the Rumble.

Mr. Nerfect 10-30-2004 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick
I dont think BT is winning the title. Not that I put much stock into what house shows say, but I just dont see it happening. I think they are just using this program as another notch on JBL's belt until he drops the title to Show at the Dec PPV. Then I figure Show drops to Angle in January at the Rumble.

I think you're right. Booker T just doesn't have that luck on his side. I can see Booker picknig up a DQ win over JBL, but I think ultimately The Big Show will be taking the title off him. I'm still hoping for a JBL vs. Booker T vs. The Big Show vs. Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Undertakerr 6-Man Hell in a Cell at Armageddon.

ColdwaVer 10-31-2004 10:28 AM

If they go with War Games, then it should go last, because nobody should have to try to follow that. Legions of WCW fans will blow one of the biggest collective loads in wrestling history to see something like that come back, and it'll take so long to clean up after that it would cause the time between matches to drag out.

Ferocious 10-31-2004 10:52 AM

I don't think Booker should be in the title hunt, I don't think he's a great worker. And I don't particularly like his Character, plus all the jobbing around with Golddust didn't do his credibility much good either.

The Title needs to be on Show, Angle, Or Eddie. With Eddie out of the picture for the time being. I think Angle and Show need to get some sort of a feud built up heading into a 6 man HIAC the December PPV.

JBL vs Show vs Angle vs Taker vs Cena vs Heidenreich.

Show takes the victory, drops the title to Angle at the Rumble, Cena wins the rumble.

Angle vs Cena at Wrestlemania 21

LK 10-31-2004 11:38 AM

I don't think it will be the main event as I see a Raw Main Event with Evolution and the the other guys.

I do agree that Booker should get the title. He should have had it at WM 18.

To answer the question as to why we think he is great in the ring. Well for me it is because he is good in the ring, can work a crowd and is very decent on the mic.

loopydate 10-31-2004 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SirRoundSound
I don't think Booker should be in the title hunt, I don't think he's a great worker. And I don't particularly like his Character, plus all the jobbing around with Golddust didn't do his credibility much good either.

And JBL's partnership with TAKA was writing at its best?

Stickman 10-31-2004 01:52 PM

I'll throw my short and sweet two cents in here.

I dont' think BT is World Champion material. I don't like him in the ring all that much (mind you he's not bad in the ring, just doesn't keep me interested) and he's not that good on the mic, and finally, what is his gimmick? Does he have one? Is his gimmick just a nice black guy?

Ferocious 10-31-2004 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate
And JBL's partnership with TAKA was writing at its best?

LMAO seriously? I do not recall this at all

Mr. Nerfect 10-31-2004 05:24 PM

After all this discussion of War Games, I forgot how the match works? Can someone please refresh my memory?

Who knows, with Bischoff likely to be throwing his weight around on RAW, he might just come out and say "War Games...Survivor Series", and it will be on.

Aussie Skier 10-31-2004 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Booker Should of went over The Rock right when he came in. DDP over Taker. RVD over Austin. BAM. That's how you book the Invasion.

i agree.
i think he had 2 or 3 one - on - one matches with the rock, and lost all of them.
:nono:
not fair

loopydate 10-31-2004 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SirRoundSound
LMAO seriously? I do not recall this at all

It was during TAKA's initial feud with Kaientai, I believe. He needed backup and got it from Blackjack Bradshaw. I think they may have even had a tag match on PPV back in '97 or '98. I'll look it up.

-EDIT-

Over The Edge 1998

Dick Togo, Men's Teioh, and Shoichi Funaki of Kai En Tai beat TAKA Michinoku and Justin Bradshaw in a handicap match when Togo hits a senton bomb on Michinoku.

Mr. JL 10-31-2004 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate
It was during TAKA's initial feud with Kaientai, I believe. He needed backup and got it from Blackjack Bradshaw. I think they may have even had a tag match on PPV back in '97 or '98. I'll look it up.

-EDIT-

Over The Edge 1998

Dick Togo, Men's Teioh, and Shoichi Funaki of Kai En Tai beat TAKA Michinoku and Justin Bradshaw in a handicap match when Togo hits a senton bomb on Michinoku.

LO f'n L


... Too bad the Undertaker never made any references to the time where Justin Hawk Bradshaw helped bury him during the first ever Buried Alive match while they were feuding a few months back. It just would have been an interesting note and maybe a bit more fuel to the fire

Savio 10-31-2004 10:03 PM

and one was a handicap match.

Loose Cannon 10-31-2004 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06
After all this discussion of War Games, I forgot how the match works? Can someone please refresh my memory?

Who knows, with Bischoff likely to be throwing his weight around on RAW, he might just come out and say "War Games...Survivor Series", and it will be on.

Two Rings, One Giant Cage

2 teams of 4

2 guys start off

Coin Toss decides which team gets to send a member in next after like 2 minutes or something close to that.

Team's then alternate in sending in thier members

When ALL 8 guys are in the ring, the match begins

First guy to get pinned or submit, his team loses

Fox 11-01-2004 02:06 AM

Kind of off topic, but with the possibility of a War Games match at Survivor Series, who else would be pumped to see a World War III match in place of the Royal Rumble?

Mr. JL 11-01-2004 12:51 PM

That would be siiiick!

Mr. Nerfect 11-01-2004 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Two Rings, One Giant Cage

2 teams of 4

2 guys start off

Coin Toss decides which team gets to send a member in next after like 2 minutes or something close to that.

Team's then alternate in sending in thier members

When ALL 8 guys are in the ring, the match begins

First guy to get pinned or submit, his team loses

Thanks. I wouldn't mind seeing a modifyed version of this match. Maybe have 10 or so guys, then have it randomly decided who enters. Before all participants have entered the ring, pinfall and submission only eliminates the receiving wrestlers. When every wrestler has entered the cage, it's one fall to a finish.

Or you can just make it 5 on 5 with an elimination rule, with wrestlers entering every 5 minutes.

From memory War Games matches are fairly good, so it might just be best to leave the original idea. I hope they don't change the name to "RAW Games" either.

As for World War III, I wouldn't mind seeing RAW bring one out half-way through the year. Maybe on an edition of RAW. Last year, after a SmackDown! superstar won the Rumble, but then jumped ship to RAW, a 20-Man Royal Rumble was held for the shot at No Way Out. Maybe RAW could hold a World War III match for their title shot at WrestleMania?

123 kid 11-01-2004 05:05 PM

What is a World War III match?

Innovator 11-01-2004 05:08 PM

3 rings, 60 man battle royale

123 kid 11-01-2004 05:34 PM

^^^^^^^^^^ Really? Thanks! Holy shit! That would be sick!

loopydate 11-01-2004 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 123 kid
^^^^^^^^^^ Really? Thanks! Holy shit! That would be sick!

Check your local Blockbuster or Hollywood Video (or whoever rents videos in your area). You can probably find at least one of the WCW WW3 PPVs.

Mr. Nerfect 11-02-2004 02:25 AM

I would rather see a two ring 60-Man Battle Royal version at the Rumble. One for RAW, and one for SmackDown!.

123 kid 11-03-2004 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate
Check your local Blockbuster or Hollywood Video (or whoever rents videos in your area). You can probably find at least one of the WCW WW3 PPVs.

Yeah, I will do, Thanks :) . How would WWE pull this off? They would have to Use both brands rosters wouldn't they?

Bad Guy 11-03-2004 01:58 PM

I voted yes. Might be entertaining...

Mr. JL 11-03-2004 04:15 PM

So far its 29 in favour and 12 against. That is pretty impressive. I originally thought the poll would have been close to 50/50

Mr. Nerfect 11-03-2004 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 123 kid
Yeah, I will do, Thanks :) . How would WWE pull this off? They would have to Use both brands rosters wouldn't they?

Yeah. Probably either one for each brand (30 from each), with the winners facing off to decide who is getting the main event title shot at WrestleMania. I could even see three rings (one red, one blue and one normal) with the Battle Royals taking place in the red ring for RAW, and the blue ring for SmackDown!, with the two competitors, entering the normal ring (which is unused for the night) and either have a normal match, or continue the Rumble rules.

Then again you could have a three rings with 20 men in each and the first person to win their Rumble gets a shot in the main event, while the second winner gets a title shot in the semi-main event, while the last guy to win doesn't get a title shot, but gets another match of his choosing. Or they just go through to have one winner, while the other two are "runners-up".

Mr. Nerfect 11-03-2004 04:51 PM

Now that we have two classic Survivor Series matches, I think the WWE Championship should take priority, regardless to what carries on the RAW main event, unless it is a War Games, it should declared on level with the SmackDown! event (which will take a backseat to the WWE Championship match).

loopydate 11-03-2004 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 123 kid
Yeah, I will do, Thanks :) . How would WWE pull this off? They would have to Use both brands rosters wouldn't they?

They would. If every member of the active roster were healthy at once, they'd have about 70 guys. Just on a whim, here's what a WWE WW3 could look like.

Ring One: The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Eddie Guerrero, Kane, Batista, John Bradshaw Layfield, Eugene, Rene Dupree, Heidenreich, Chavo Guerrero, Gene Snitsky, Orlando Jordan, Paul London, Rhyno, Hardcore Holly, Muhammad Hassan, Tyson Tomko, Garrison Cade, Chuck Palumbo, and Steven Richards

Ring Two: Kurt Angle, The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Maven, Shelton Benjamin, Christian, Kenzo Suzuki, Billy Kidman, William Regal, Mark Jindrak, Simon Dean, Tajiri, Rob Conway, D-Von Dudley, The Hurricane, Rico, and Khosrow Daivari

Ring Three: Triple H, Chris Benoit, John Cena, Rob Van Dam, The Big Show, Edge, Booker T, Carlito Caribbean Cool, Luther Reigns, Charlie Haas, Spike Dudley, Jesus, Matt Hardy, Sylvain Grenier, Bubba Ray Dudley, Mark Jindrak, Nunzio, Johnny Stamboli, Funaki, and Scotty 2 Hotty

Snubs: Akio, Basham Brothers, Rosey, Rodney Mack, Shannon Moore, Val Venis, Ultimo Dragon, and Mark Henry


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