I hate Orton
 

I hate that queer. He sucks in the ring.

Good for you

he doesn't suck in the ring. It's just that his finisher now sucks cause it looks crappy. But he is better then quite a few guys in that ring. But he is really annoying and irritating. And does sometimes look rather gay.

I agree with BDC, I don't understand why most guys cum when they hear Orton's name

Orton is better off being a heel.


What the WWE must do however (IMO), is have the fans turn on Orton (a la Edge, Rock).

To have Orton do something deliberately heelish, would be detrimental for his character IMO. I dunno.

heel Orton, cocky heel Orton would be nice.

Most characters suck as faces and rule as heels. The great ones don't. The averages are :-\ as faces.

Ortons sucks all together. He is lackluster as a heel, and good awful as a face.

Orton should just stick with the legend killer gimmick, he was awesome with that.

Plus, he needs a new finisher. The RKO is overdone, as is the look on his face when he does it. It's like the "OH LOOK AT ME OVERSELL A DIAMOND CUTTER WITH A BIG GRIN ON MY FACE" look. Makes me laugh more so than it makes me believe its a credible finisher.

Then again, I guess this is what happens when a character is pushed way to hard, way to fast. Some guys can be pushed fast because they have that it factor. Like how Big Show as the Gaint in WCW could win the title his first night because he looked as if a could do it. Or how Goldberg was pushed just to dominate everything. Or how Brock looked, nevermind Brock was 25 at the time, Brock had all the physical tools that age wasn't a factor. Or Angle getting the belt fast made since because he was an Olympic Gold medalist with a broken friggin' neck.

But Orton, all he had going from him was that he is 3rd generation wrestler from a not so noticeble family. I mean the Ortons aren't even on par with the Von Erich, Harts, Rhodes or dare say Miavia clan.

Wow, you just pointed out a new reason to hate Orton. And now that I think about it, that shit eating grin he gets on his face before his lame diamond cutter does piss me off.

just say it... everythin about Orton pisses you off. His gay grin, his gay pose, his gay look.

The only thing I like is that he is from the best state in the union, but then it pisses me off that he is from gay ass St. Louis instead of Kansas City.

Also, he reminds me, in a bad way, of my friend Luke, who happens to be from St. Louis and is tall, lanky and akward looking in the way Orton is. But at least Luke is funny as shit.

Orton can put on a decent match when he tries, but ever since his face turn they've been pretty bad; as are his promos. As a face, his promos are too typical and corny compared to the great ones he cut as a heel. Hopefully WWE decides to turn Orton heel and put him against Undertaker at Mania, not sure how they could go about doing that though.

lackluster as a heel..not sure about that. I think as a heel, orton was pretty good, he used to get me pretty pissed off :)

as a face, he is downright awful. The worst thing with orton as a face is that stupid pose he does. It is such an arrogant pose, that if he did it as a heel, it would go over great. But as a face, it makes me think...you tosser

When he was a heel, he got "I'm bored" heat.

Orton needs back in Evolution.R-K-O move rules though when he hits it right

Orton needs to die

yea seriously.. I was getting sick of edge, but then heel_turn and now he's one of my fav guys on raw.

Then ther's people like Jericho and Cena (my two favs right now :heart: :love: ) who are great as Faces.

This wouldn't have anything to do with Orton being a chick magnet would it?

I was their yesturday and I saw all those girls slobbering over him.A couple girls even said I looked like him :shifty:

The best RKO ever was when either Benoit or Jericho had someone else in a boston crap submission. I'm pretty sure it was Jericho holding Batista.

ANYWAYS, Randy runs by and goes for the RKO and COMPLETELY misses Jericho, falls on his ass, looks around real quick, gets up, runs across the ring, bounces off the ropes, and goes for the RKO in the exact same fashion as the previous one. I cracked up at that.

Actually, thats the only RKO I ever liked :/

That hasn't happened since he feuded with Foley, though. This was also the period where he hadn't named the move yet. Even though I'm a DDP mark, I was fine with other wrestlers using a version of a finisher Page made famous (Twist of Fate), but with DDP now out of retirement, Orton should look for a new finisher. His leap into it is original, but two hands and a "snap" effect are a must. Using one arm while slapping the opponent's head with the other, hardly looks impressive.

I didn't say anything about Edge or Christian needing to die, did I? They are chick magnets from what I hear.

He just needs to watch tapes of what he was doing from March to July of this past year, and go back to doing that.

He's an awesome heel, he's just a really crappy face.

I forgot why people liked him...Was it because of LC?

No,Orton as a heel ruled.As a face he isn't at that level yet because as a face he loses his cockiness and is limited on the mic

He could have been a good face.

IF BOOKED RIGHT!!!!! :mad:

I still don't mind Orton, although he was much better as a face. Almost anybody is better as a heel than a face, but I don't think Randy is doing too badly. The WWE fucked up his push though so that may have messed up how well he could have ended up.

He's done one good RKO ever that was at Summerslam, incidently that was also his best match ever, no coincidence that he was in there with Benoit.

The latest talk regarding WrestleMania 21 is Triple H defending the World Heavyweight Title against Batista. There are also plans for a “legend vs. legend killer” interbrand match with Undertaker vs. Randy Orton.(front page)

That should help Orton out looks like a heel turn

I personally hope we see Blandy Orton (sorry couldn't resist the cheap pun)win the World Hevayweight Championship at the Royal Rumble. Hear me out, I don't like face Orton, but they need to give ihm something he can parade around until he can turn heel.

I'd personally have Orton beat all the odds at the Rumble, defeat Triple H (maybe with a miscommunicatino between Helmsley and Batista) which then leads to Orton coming out on RAW, and cutting a promo about how he's the greatest ever, etc. Right back to his cocky roots. He can even talk about how when he was down and out after being kicked Evolution, he used the fans to fuel him, but now he's got the World Heavyweight Championship back, he doesn't need them. He prefers to get by on his unmatchable talent.

IF YOU SMELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here comes The Rock! Rocky comes out and says something brief about Orton thanknig the people before he is cut off by Orton going "Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, WOAH! Who in the blue Hell are you?" The Rock goes to reply, but in cuts Orton with "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!".

This leads to Randy Orton vs. The Rock and Triple H vs. Batista at WrestleMania. You can either have Triple H win the World Heavyweight Championship back from Orton with interference from The Rock, or you can have Randy Orton retain the title and have Randy vs. Rock for RAW's World Championship. Either way you're going to have a hot crowd for the match.

Nope. In fact I actually think you once said that "chick magnets" bring in the female audience which in turn leads to male audiences watching to please the female crowd, or something of the like.

I've never been a big fan of Orton's character, heel or face. I never saw what the allure of the "Legend Killer" gimmick was; a cheap-heat angle (stuck-up prick beats up respected legend) stretched out into an entire character. Oooooh, and he's "cocky!" Aren't all heels by their very nature "cocky?" Hell, even Raven and the Undertaker had inflated egos. I always find it funny that people hate guys who act like total dick-heads in real life, but then wet their pants over fictional characters who do the same thing. The fact that they jobbed out two of my all-time favorite wrestlers 100% clean, with no resolution whatsoever to either angle, when Orton was supposed to be the guy the crowd booed, doesn't help my opinion much.

Orton's face run was/is a total failure, mostly due to the fact that the "renegade face" thing has been played out so many times. Unless you're as talented as Austin used to be or as charismatic as the Rock, it's hard to get the fans behind you when they were chanting "asshole" at you three weeks earlier.

All that being said, though I don't like Orton the character, I do like Orton the wrestler. Granted, he's not exactly the Dynamite Kid in the ring, but he's no Bradshaw either. He's got a great look, and natural charisma (not that you could tell by his promos) That, and I'm generally pre-disposed to root for whoever's going against Hunter (hell, you could cart out A-Train and Kevin Nash and the freakin Gobbledy Gooker, and I'd be cheering just as long as H loses)

So yeah, I'm a little more negative here than positive, but I won't go as far as to say he's worthless.

(this coming from the guy whose title used to be "Legend Killer Killer")

wwe stuffed him up with his crappy lil title reign. he should have at least held it for 3-4 months or have him hand it to triple h and then they could have main evented wrestlemania

Yeah, I know they are chick magnets, and I remeber saying something like that before, but still the fact is that I never said Edge or Christian, or a Young Shawn Micheals, or who ever else is a chick magnet needs to die, just Orton.

That's true. :y:

I don't think Orton needs to disappear, I just think the WWE has forced him into blandness. It's very easy to blame the company for something, but I honestly don't think Orton is to blame (just yet).

What about this possible match with Undertaker at WrestleMania? I mean, rumors are flying that this is Undertaker's last Mania, and he wants to pass his legacy onto to someone else. Could it be Orton? And if it is, would you all agree with the decision, or do you believe that victory should go to someone more deserving (Benoit, Jericho, Cena, etc)?



By the way, I'm sick of Orton and his goody fucking two-shoes persona. He used to be cool because he looks perfect and because of that he acted like he was God's gift to wrestling kind. Now, he just looks perfect and acts like a fucking high school quarterback, with all his "I'm cool, I'm cool... I'm still cool, right?" looks and eyebrow raises. His character seems so forced and isn't something that the average wrestling fan (the under-crowd) can relate to.

I liked orton when he was fueding with Foley, but foley wrote the whole angle.

Yeah, totally. Plus, he has like little run-in with all the divas in the back, and they sorta flirt with him, kinda like cheer leaders and such with the qb.

Stacy Kiebler: Good luck, Randy.

(Stacy kisses him on the cheek and walks away sexily)

Randy (to himself): .... maybe I'm not gay...

or if he do get through a whole promo without fucking up...

or if he could wrestle...

or if he could look like any kind of a serious threat...

or if he...

Orton can cut promos and he can wrestle. Can't defend the last one, though. :-\

I know it would only show the extremes of both my first two points, but look at that bloopers video in the 'bloopers video' thread to see exactly what I mean.

I think the link is

http://web.surgut.info/mattsterling15/Final.zip

That is another good point. I laugh when ever I see Orton against like Batista or HHH or even Beniot. Orton is such a string bean compaired to them all, it doesn't look like he has a chance.

By build alone here are the people in WWE that Orton should beat:
Maven
Spike Dudley
Coach
Billy Kidman
Paul London
and lets say Nuzio (only because he has been booked so weak, if it was Little Guido, it would be different).

Everyone else either looks as tough if not tougher than Orton, or has enough of that edge to make them seem more dangerous in some way. Orton doesn't have an edge. Oh, he had a cocky edge when he was a heel, but he never had that dangerous edge that made it seem like he could go crazy and clean house by his lonesome.

no way Orton could stand up to the Sicilian Shooter

Lil' Guido was a bad ass in ECW.

Plus if Orton started getting cocky the Big Salbowski would set him straight

I know what you mean, and he does stuff up a bit, but he does have that handicap the WWE has put on pretty much anybody from OVW.

He can put emotions into his promos, but he does slur occasionally. I don't think he's horrible, but he could use a little work.

Thanks for the link. :y:

This thread is so one sided by some of the anti-Orton marks, it's not even funny. Orton had one of the longest IC Title Reigns in WWF(E) history. You better believe Orton was taken as a threat to the World Title. People were cheering for Orton because he was one dominant mother fucker for a while.

If you don't think Orton can wrestle by this point, then forget it. I'm done preaching that.

His promos are on and off. He was cutting great promos as a heel and he's had some good one's as a face. Does he slur sometimes? Yes. But so does 75% of that roster. Orton is very very young still. He'll learn and he'll keep learning.

A couple of guys on here totally putting Orton down like he's fucking Eric Watts is ridiculous.

^ right on the money LC

:y: There are people here who honestly think they could do better. All these people do is complain, complain, complain, and it's getting sickening.

Orton's IC title riegn was long, but unremarkable, unmemerorable, and he wasn't much of a fighting champion.

Also, this thread is one sided because people like you can't think of a good reason to like Orton. I hate Orton, and probably always will. This wasn't suppose to be lets debate Orton's abilities. It was an "I hate Randy Orton because he is a homosexual" thread.

Well you should of stopped at your first sentence then if this wasn't suppossed to be a "let's debate Orton's abilities" thread.

Good job at accomplishing that.

How about your boy Christian's IC Title Reign. Memorable?

Which one?

Plus, I never said Christian looked like a threat to the World title either, now did I?

I was just asking if you thought it was memorable. That's all

And I was talking about your very first sentence in this thread where you called Orton a homo or something. That's all that needed to be said if you didn't want to debate wrestling ability.

:y: I gotta agree with this as well.As for Orton's build Austin wasn't exactly built himself until the end of his career and HBK was never huge so what the hell does that have to do with Orton as a threat.Ric Flair looked real intimidating throughout his career :nono:

It's not that I hate Randy Orton (despite the thread title...), it's merely that I don't think he deserves what he's gotten thus far in his WWE career. Many, many, many other more talented wrestlers have been busting their asses in the company and haven't seen a World Title shot, EVER. Yet, because of Orton's alignment with Triple H, he's getting treated like royalty (much like Batista).

He is still very, very young, and I'm sure that was time goes on, he will get better in the ring and on the mic, but he's NOT there yet. He's not there yet, and he continues to get pushed towards the main event over guys who could take his place in the same angles and do it much, much better (Jericho, for a prime example).

Orton also has a very dislikable personality on the screen right now. His cocky heel persona was perfect for who he was, but now his Nick Lachey-like persona just bugs the shit out of me and most other wrestling fans too. And yet the WWE continues to shovel his shit down our throats. We have every right to bitch.

As far as your comments, DeadManWalkin, Austin may have never been built like a tank, but his angle with Vince McMahon and The Rock shot the WWF to levels of popularity that no one ever dreamed of. His beer-gut look WAS his character, and blue-collar America could relate to him. Shawn Michaels is one of the smaller WWE Champions in history, but his unbelievable charisma and talent in the ring made up for it and even surpassed it until you didn't even notice that HBK was smaller than most of his opponents. He was that good. Randy isn't.

Austin was actually always pretty built.

People here don't think they can do better, they think the wrestlers can do better.

Orton was PHENOMENAL down in OVW. He was cutting OUTSTANDING promos as a heel. His promo work with Ric Flair and Triple H was good, and when he packs his heart and soul into it, it comes off really well.

I personally don't mind it when wrestlers make a few mistakes during promos, but I can understand why a few people might get a bit upset when Orton confuses title belts, or something.

I personally like Orton, and I hope he takes direction again. The thing with Orton is it is so easy to find faults with his current character and ringwork. People just like to bitch and moan about him, because it is easy. I could right an essay about how Jericho's workrate has dropped (because it had until just prior to the Elimination Chamber at NYR).

The WWE have shoved Orton down our throats, and it has not worked. Yes, Orton is more over than a lot of other guys. Yes, he can put on great matches. Yes, he can cut great promos when he wants to. There is so much going for Orton it isn't funny. But instead of letting him roast for a while as a heel that is on the verge of turning (like Batista), they had him win the title, retain it, had him betrayed by his allies and then said "Cheer him.".

When someone is shoved down your throat, you better hope they taste good and go down right. Orton has tasted good, but he hasn't gone down right, and that is something the WWE are changing with Batista who we all know tastes good. We are sitting with our mouths open in preparation now, waiting for Batista to go down and taste good. With Orton we were just sitting there, mouth shut, and they tried shoving him down and it was just a mess.

Sorry if that sounded gay, but that's how I think of it. :shifty:

That is the gayest thing I have ever read. I get where you are coming from, but you could have stopped with the metaphore a long time ago. Plus there is the fact that Orton taste like gamy shit.

That was pretty gay.

LOL, I know I could have, but since the homosexuality of Orton was the theme of the thread, I figured I'd go with it. :shifty:

That is the gayest thing I have ever read

Why in the hell did you dig up a six month old thread just to say that?

LOL, I never noticed

Orton's hardcore.

WTF? I go to look at a "new" thread only to find that I've somehow posted in it before.

Don't bring up 8 month old threads. It confuses me, which leads to me getting angry, which leads to me breaking things. You owe me a new coffee grinder, Jew Wanker (juanker).

Orton gets a thumb's up from me. Anyone who opposes the suckertaker...

I've got to say... This is the greatest thread ever.

I hate Orton. Not only cause he went AWOL from a really kush duty station... He's just plain boring. He's a bum, his dad was a bum, and I'm sure his grandpa was a bum.

It may be an 8 month old thread, but nothing has changed.

Orton is still gay and we all still want him dead, or at least seriously mutilated.

I don't.

Why don't you just conform for once? Just once?

cause conforming is wrong

But it's so much easier, especially with trivial things like Orton.

If it were conformity towards Communism, then I might think again.

I like Orton.

You might even say, "I'd fucking fuck it."

:shifty:

ugh

:lol:

Because Orton's HAWT.

YES

I still hate that queer.

You said I was the one. :'(

THIS IS BY FAR THE GAYEST THING I'VE SAW SINCE ONE NIGHT IN CHYNA!!

Somebody alert the White House! There's a rip in the time-space continuum! We've somehow traveled ten months into the past! Gasp! There's still time to save Eddie Guerrero!

Who is this Roody Poo?

Eddie Guerrero is dead? That can't be possible, it's August 2005 you know, He's fueding with Batista, I know Dave can work stiff but is eddie really in that much trouble?

It's not Batista.

Rey Mysterio is secretly planning to slip Eddie rat poisoning, thinking that with Eddie's death, he could somehow ride a wave of sympathy to the top. Like THAT could ever happen.

BDC still hates that queer :o

So is molesting children


Wait whats that I shouldnt be making fun of something that was said almost a year ago

It's still good, it's still good

Orton rules.

I wonder how many people here now LIKE Orton??

You are a juanker *clap clap, clap clap clap*

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OMG someones opinion changed in two years SELLOUT LOLZ!@!!$ 316






































Did I do that right? I just dont really understand the whole internet numbers and letter after a message game.

BTW I just brouhgt this up elsewhere but what happened to the angrier BDC and KK, you guys seem so mellow now when theres so much pond scum floating around.

What the fuck with the thread bumping recently AGAIN?! :wtf:

I'm going to go ahead and take back what I said here. It took a long while, but, I'm actually a pretty big Orton mark. His dad was pretty good too.

This was written when I was a lot angrier in general.

A lot of people around here like Orton now I'm guessing.

He's the best thing going in WWE.