NFL offseason thread.
 

Didn't see one yet.

Anyway, the Pats have lost their O/C and D/C, Eric Mangini, is staying as DC. He's been with the team 5yrs, he was offered the same job with Miami suposivly for 800K and Cleveland for 700K and stayed with NE for around 500K.

I'm curious who will be the O/C, there's a rumor of Dante Scarnecchia, who is currently "assistand head coach" and OL Coach, Dante has been with the Pats over 20 years (just looked 21), which is interesting because as head coaches have come in gone, and owners, and gm's etc... he's stuck around. He's coached TE's, ST, OL, LB, and I might have missed a position or two, he was also "team spokesman" when Dick Macphearson was ill, and did all the press confrences for like 1/2 a season.

The Pats also have a few contracts to deal with.

They have some free agents on the OL, they need to restructure if they want to keep Law and if he wants to stay, there's also talk about redoing Bradys contract, Vinateri and possible Dillon.

Hey Trips (or other Jets fans),

I'm reading Lamont Jordon is an unrestricted free agent, I thought the Jets had him signed? If not, that's gonna be a tough call, do you give starter money to a guy who gets 1/4 of the plays... otherwise he'll get the starter money elsewhere.

Also, I read MSG wants to buy that site where they're going to build the Jets stadium, and put condos, that way they don't get any competition from the new stadium for events. The Gov is againast it cause he thinks with that stadium you'll get the Olympics.

<font color=goldenrod>I'm still having a hard time trying to decide what the Giants' priority should be. They have some serious O-Line problems, but then again, most of their O-Line men are young and will likely improve over time.

I'm prolly gonna have to go with WR. The fact that Hilliard and Toomer, their 2 main WRs, combined for a grand total of 0 TD passes is quite pathetic. Curious to see if the Giants try and trade up for a 1st round pick (since their probably won't be any notable WRs left by 2nd round).</font>

What are the Chargers going to do?

My guess, franchise tag breese and then trade him.

He'll get them more then Rivers will and they drafted Rivers with the confidence of the future.

can't see them keeping both, or Breese wanting that.

Side note, being reported Bledsoe has been demoted to backup and has asked the bills permission to seek a trade. I said last year he'll end up in Dallas with Parcells and Glenn.

Gus Ferrotte is looking for a team to start for

lol. How old is Gus Frerrotte?

I remember a couple seasons ago he came in and had a couple great games but come on. A starter?

Is Jeff George still on the Bears?

Sean Alexander to the Eagles

Eagles have a ton of cap room, would make sense they go after him or edge.

Both have Miami high on their list, but only one will endup there.

Eagles are in great shape to be back in the SB next year.

Wouldn't it be funny if Buffalo traded Bledsoe to Dallas for a 1st rd pick? You know the same one they traded to Dallas last year so they could draft Losman. It would be kinda weird if that happened, but i doubt Buffalo could get a first round pick for him.

I'm not so sure the Eagles need a superstar RB like Edge or Alexander. What would they do with Westbrook? I think they would be better off getting a better receiver to compliment T.O. Pinkston suck's ( probably alway's will be nothing more than a 3rd receiver), and it's obvious Freddie Mitchell can't back up his mouth. So i think they should get a better receiver to line up opposite T.O. Can you imagine how hard it would be to defend Philly's offence then?

yeah, I think they'll be lucky to get a 3rd rounder at this point.

I think they could do both between free agency and the draft.

The Eagles need a more runner than Westbrook.. Hell they get Alexander they can line Westbrook up as a reciever or have to running backs in the backfield.

I was shocked when I heard that the Eagles have a good chance at getting Shaun Alexander. That would almost be unfair. A top QB, a top WR, and arguable the best RB with Westbrook just messing things up aswell. The only problem I see with it is that I could see them losing some of their defensive perspective. Isn't their good LB a free agent? I forget his name, but the best one.

Name Pos Ht Wt Exp College Birth City
79 #Allen, Ian OT 6-4 310 3 Purdue Atlanta, GA
36 #Westbrook, Brian RB/KR 5-10 205 3 Villanova Ft. Washington, MD
90 **Simon, Corey DT 6-2 293 5 Florida State Pompano Beach, FL
57 *Adams, Keith LB 5-11 223 4 Clemson Atlanta, GA
11 *Blake, Jeff QB 6-1 223 13 East Carolina Daytona Beach, Fla.
28 *Buckhalter, Correll RB 6-0 222 4 Nebraska Collins, MS
56 *Burgess, Derrick DE 6-2 266 4 Mississippi Greenbelt, MD
53 *Douglas, Hugh DE 6-2 281 10 Central State (Ohio) Mansfield, OH
25 *Levens, Dorsey RB 6-1 230 11 Georgia Tech Syracuse, NY
89 *Lewis, Chad TE 6-6 252 7 Brigham Young Orem, UT
71 *Mayberry, Jermane G/T 6-4 325 9 Texas A&M-Kingsville Floresville, TX
58 *Reese, Ike LB 6-2 222 7 Michigan State Cincinnati, OH
48 *Ritchie, Jon FB 6-2 250 7 Stanford Mechanicsburg, PA
54 *Trotter, Jeremiah LB 6-1 262 7 Stephen F. Austin Hooks, TX

*Denotes Unrestricted Free Agent
**Designates Franchise Tag
#Denotes Restricted Free Agent

The players they will resign are Westbrook, Trotter, Ritchie, and Burgess. Those to me are the players they HAVE to resign. Then you have players like Mayberry, Buckhalter, and Chad Lewis. We have a good offenseive line already loosing Mayberry would hurt but nothing drastic, Buckhalter was out for the whole season and is hard to tell if they will resign, and LJ Smith is going to be huge in the future so Chad Lewis may not be an Eagle.

I think they will have enough cap room from between resigning the players and acquiring maybe a Sean Alexander.

By the way BCWWF the linebacker you were talking about was Trotter

Yeah it was

I bet Trotter will resign long-term for a low price, because he realizes he can't succeed without the Iggles. But then, if the Vikings could get him THAT WOULD BE HOT. But like I said... Eagles pretty much told him they don't need him, so he left, sucked, came back like a bitch, they took him back and put him in the pro bowl. Pretty great.

Two things: 1) I'm sick of the Moss trade talk. ESPN has no sources but they keep claiming Moss wants out and the Vikings want out. A childhood Moss friend claimed Moss demanded a trade, but on the radio Moss said he would be hurt if he was traded. COME ON. On the other hand, it looks like Culpepper's competitive nature is leaning towards wishing Moss was traded. Either way, ESPN is a piece of trash, and instead of retracting what they said, they appended it. If Red McCombs has been in meetings for the last month, how could he possibly have made arrangements to have Moss traded? It's pathetic.

Mort wants him in Atlanta, and the NFL wants him in Baltimore, which is why they were almost upset over the TO incident, but happy that he landed in Philly.

But either way, wtf, Moss better stay :mad:

WTF have you been Alphabean? I have been saying the same thing and people just stick to their ESPN like its the gospel still

Vikings will never win a Superbowl with Randy Moss

Or without him.

Mike Tice had Moss under control, but he lost it. Moss needs a better coach to keep his head in the game. The less control Tice had over his team, the less control he had over Randy Moss, which led to Moss finally just giving up on the team.

Oh and hey Stima, I know you're an NFL hopeful and all, but you're kind of an idiot to think that Randy Moss was responsible for no running game, poor clock management and absolutely no defense.

What? What? Randy Moss should play cornerback?

Also, Randy Moss is a big cancer for the Vikings. How dare he get injured, what the fuck. A true star would never get injured. :|

Welcome back Alphabean, I notice you have stayed away from the NBA threads this year tho???


Also, just kind of interesting...Randy Moss is ranked as the third best NFL player by scouts, behind Payton Manning and Ray Lewis. Here is what the summary on him is.

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I can't bear to watch the Wolves anymore. Fairweather fan? Come on. It's not like we're rebuilding. This is just disgusting.

But yeah, Moss is the greatest player of all time.

At Rajah's, Wedge argued that the only trade the Ravens should make would be Moss for Adalius Thomas straight up due to Moss's baggage. That was hilarious.

Ray Lewis has lost a step and his best years are behind him, and Wedge argued that Moss's baggage make him far less valuable than Ray.

Ray is rated 98 by scouts and Moss 97 by scouts, but I think that as one player Moss affects more then Ray.

What? Way too totally over analyze what I said you spaz

I just don't think the current Vikings team has a shot at winning the Superbowl, I think the Vikings keep the same team they have now and don't do a complete over haul then they will never win it all. They aren't going to trade Culpepper, and what other marquee guy can they get rid of to try to shake things up other then Moss? Big play wideouts don't win games, consistant offenses and defenses do. I think Moss would be even better under a different style, Tice is a terrible head coach. I really think it would be a win/win situation for all those involded. Vikings would get a lot for Moss.

Hey Cmon! leave Gus out of this haha. I live in same town as him. Oh well biggest thing from our town is known for running his head into a wall... :|

LOL that's the only reason anybody considers him a cancer too right?

Here's a nice rap lyric for you

"I'm like Randy Moss/I play when I wanna"

Vikings had one of the lowest team salaries last season, and were forced by the NFL to spend a lot of it, so what did they do? They signed Winfield for like 13 mil the first year, and 2 mil for the next 5 years or something like this, just to fit OVER THE MINIMUM! Red McCombs is doing to the Vikings what Carl Pohlad is doing to the Twins. Forcing them to win with minimal expenditure.

On one hand, we could spend money on a few marquee defenders in free agency, and on the other hand, I think another year under Cottrell will make the current defenders a lot better. Because, basically, they're all young and stupid, and Ted Cottrell was trying to get them to do complex defenses, which is impossible unless you've got the Patriots linebackers. Our linebackers were out of position on nearly every play.

But we can get better without trading Moss. ESPECIALLY if Glen Taylor buys the team. He way overspent to get the Wolves competitive. Though that backfired this year, I guess. :'(. But at least he'll allow Tice and Bryzinski to spend a little bit of that cap room to get someone good.

Draft a 1: NT 2: CB 3: GUARD 4: LB 5: CB 6: OT 7:... who cares. 7th rounders always suck.

But we should throw a Kicker in the mix up there somewhere.

Pick up a safety in free agency, maybe a nice run-defending MLB or something. DUNNO. Mike Tice is the biggest piece of shit ever.

But I do not want Moss to leave, and I know that we could win with him here. But... not with Tice here. :mad:

Where does Gus live?


And I disagree with Stima. We had one of the most potent offenses in the league when Moss was healthy, and we still had two starting O-linemen out. The reason we lost so many games is because the defense could not stop anything. There were like five games that we lost on the final drive :mad: Cris Hovan lost his energy, but if Kenechi Udeze stays healthy, him and Kevin Williams will be the foundation to a great D-line in the future. Chris Claiborne would be a good OLB, but he isn't good when he is the main guy. That is why the Vikings will likely address that issue this offseason with all of their salary cap. Corey Chavous and Brian Russell aren't great, but Chavous is pretty good and will be good enough to stay. Antoine Winfield was spectacular while he wasn't injured, and Sid Hartman reports that the Vikings plan to sign another defensive player of his caliber. It looks likely that they will draft DT Shaun Cody out of USC, sign a MLB and a DB, and the defense will be improved A LOT next season, and the whole offense will be intact assuming Moss or Bennett isn't traded. On the issue of Bennett or Onterrio, one of them will likely be traded, and that could bring in a defensive starter, maybe Woodson from Oakland or something. Keep your eyes out. If they make the right moves on defense they will be right up there with the Eagles next season...hopefully.

*Double chokeslam by Alphabean and BCWWF*

Even though Alphabean had a much better explanation and more realistic analysis, we rule!

He gets triple teamed on every play. At 100 pounds soaking wet he has to fight through Al Harris pass interference constantly. And any time a run is called to his side, he always blocks his man as best as he can.

He said that statement a few years ago, and realized that while he does "play when he wants to," he needs to "want to" a lot more than he used to. So I only saw him let up this season when he had been going at 100% for an extended period of time, or was injured.

And don't even mention the Redskins game. 2 seconds left, an onside kick attempt. Was it wrong? Sure, for "morale" reasons, but he was justified in doing it. The Vikings should have won that game. They should have won a lot more games than they did.

Also, the mooning thing was awesome.

On paper, unfortunately.

We're still left with Mike Tice. :(

HOWEVER, Pep has a chip on his shoulder, and is going to beat the shit out of our team, hopefully that will give them some heart. He was pissed this year. He's gonna start beating some ass next season. Like destroying his own players and shit. Him and Birk, gonna keep the locker room in check. :love:

My friend saw Birk driving by our houses the other day.

I had to drive my parents to the airport this morning, so I was listening to talk radio the night right after Moss did a call in interview to KFAN and discussed the walk off. What it all comes down to, is that Moss saw 2 seconds left, onsides kick, ok, so he starts walking off expecting it to happen, but it took longer then expected so he was caught in a really dirty situation. I am not condoning it, but I don't think it affected the team as much as it was made out to be.

Moss seems like a good kid. He just needs some lovin'.

If you want to see Birk, go to the Chipotle by his gym. He eats there practically every day. Seen him in there twice so far. I should start going to his gym and eating at that Chipotle all the time, then I will be a big offensive lineman AND FRIENDS WITH MATT BIRK.

Well, McCombs is no longer a problem. Team is being sold, new owner has money and is the first black owner in the NFL. I'd expect him to spend a lot of money, top coach, gm, star players etc...

Imagine Pepper throwing to Moss and Burress w/ Edge in the backfield...

Everyone on the Jets is saying they want to to try to get LaMont Jordan back. But yeah, they barely ever use him so I dunno. He said he wants to stay with the Jets, but he wants to be a starter too and that isn't gonna happen on the Jets yet.

They are also franchising John Abraham. All the paperwork is going through now or whatever, so he'll be back 100%.

Also heard they might sign Kurt Warner or someone like that to backup Pennington, since he had surgery on his torn rotator cuff and is gonna be out for like five months and maybe even longer, missing some of training camp. :rant:

1: Burleson is far, far, far better than Burress.

2: Edge would cost a lot of money, when we have 4 potential starter HBs.

3: More like, Andre Dyson, Darren Sharper, Jeremiah Trotter on defense. Or something. We need a Guard, too. But I love Big Dixon, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. The best Kiwi NFL player of all time, David Dixon is. :love:

OMG that's right, Minnesota's gonna sign Ferguson. :love:

I hope this Fowler guy is good, I know Taylor would have been a good fit but I think this guy might be good too. You think Taylor might made a run at the Twins now?

1) your nuts.

2) Yes, Edge or Alexander would cost a lot and none of your "potential starters" can hold a candle to either of them.

3) You have a lot of cap room, so there should be room to make a few movies, but it's possible the new owner won't do much this year.

On a different note (a team that wins the big games) Scott Pioli turned down 5yrs 15million (3/yr) to run the Seahawks, chosing to stay with the Pats.

I like these guys turning down more money to stay here.

He is the jobber Jets d-lineman. ENJOY.

You can pull that tag back, a lot of teams use it to negotiate a trade or hold leverage on negotiating a contract. So never say 100% :)

You can replace him with Chris Hovan. ENJOY.

1) You obviously never watched Burleson play. His TD against the Colts, or that 60 yard gain against I forget who, where they had him down but he kept his balance and didn't hit the turf, and got back up. He was a beast. We do not need Burress.

2) YOU'RE nuts. Edge is overrated. I'd be a pretty good runningback if I played on the Colts. And Alexander is going to cost far too much.

3) If Glen Taylor finds a way to get the team, he will spend all of his cap room to make the team competitive.

Honestly this is my least favorite time of the year. No more football, the Knicks are painful to watch, March Madness hasn't started yet, and spring training hasn't started.

Time to get in your madden, and girl time while you have a chance. That's why they planned Valentines day for this time of year. Perfect timing. Nothing better to do than give girls attention.

Jeff Garcia just got released. COME ON DOLPHINS! GARCIA-WARNER-BLEDSOE.

NO FEELY!

Garcia is just another Fiedler, but older. And gay instead of jewish.

Garcia is better then Fiedler IMO. I'm kinda surprised the Browns released him. Who the hell are they gonna use for their QB? Kellen Winslow will be back next year for Cleveland too, even though he is a rich kid prick, he's the truth. he is gonna put up huge numbers. But who's gonna throw him the ball?

I doubt Garcia will start in the NFL again he's getting old and I don't think he's poised to lead a team anywhere. I also heard Bledsoes probably gonna get released. not a bad year for back up QB's :shifty:

Vikings need to build off Claiborne. He impressed me towards the end of the season. Forget about "big time" corner backs. Shut down corners aren't as valuable now since of the newly enforced rules to give the offense more of an advantage. Their coaching staff is nothing special either, they are lucky they even made the playoffs last season. Something needs to be changed is all im saying, coaching staff, marquee player. Beacuse they are just going to keep repeating what they have been doing. Start out like 6-0, 5-1, 7-2 or something like that. Then tank it.

The idiot browns signed Garcia to a huge contract. Holcomb will do better probably, but they're destined to have another shit season.

Yeah if Claiborne could stay healthy, he's the fucking man. He's going back to MLB which could be good or bad, dunno. It's better than having EJ making shit reads all the time. But the thing is, if Raonall Smith could stay healthy, too, then we'd have at least two amazing linebackers. add that to udeze with two arms, and a real Nosetackle who takes up two blockers, and our front 7 will finally be what it was supposed to be last season. I was stupid to think that a rookie and 2nd year linebacker would somehow make our front 7 better. Faster, but who cares how fast you are if you overpursue or make the wrong read? Greg Biekert should have come back last season. It'd have been great.

Anyway, yea, raonall smith was an unbelievable force when he played this year. Third-year player, and was healthy for an extended stretch for the first time ever, then he got the concussions :( He might have to retire at 25. If he doesn't, and can survive a full NFL season, then he could quite possibly be pro bowl material. He's an insane playmaker.

They went 6-1 and the lost it this year because Moss went down, and even though he isn't that important according to Jay Marriotti, thats what did it. Last season it was just because the Vikings were not a good enough team to continue that,.

Teams realized our linebackers are stupid, so if you playaction against us and throw it over the middle, you're going to get a completion.

I'm surprised EJ Henderson isn't nasty in the pros. I really thought he was gonna be sick after watching him in college.

I think he has the physical skills, but not the awareness yet to be a star. He will be a late bloomer, for sure. That is, if he ever blooms at all. He and Dontarrius Thomas... sick athletes, poor players.

can someone explain the franchise tag to me, I know that once they tag someone it basically signs them for a one year contract... but does that player have no say in it at all? and does every team only get one a year? can they choose not to use it and save it or something? and why doesn't seattle or indy tag Alexander and Edge?

Franchise tag is, I think, the average salary of the 5 highest paid players at that position? Or something. It's a one-year lock, I think it's salary cap independent, but probably not. Players don't get a say. It's I think 2 first round picks if someone signs a Franchised player. But it's a lot of money for a one-year contract, and a lot of players won't agree to an extension if you franchise them. I think if you're having cap problems you don't want to franchise a player, when you think you can live without him.

But it's not too late to franchise Edge and Alexander. Though as much as HBs are being paid now, it might be better to let them go, when the draft is so deep with HBs this year. Dunno.

Seahawls signed Walter Jones to like a five year $15mill contract @!@!@! ===(

you pretty much hit it bean.

they get the avg of the top 5 salaries for the position and the team gets the right to match any offer and if they don't they get two 1st round picks.

Teams have till feb 22nd I think to designate, there is also an "exclusive" franchise tag, which takes a player off the market and no one can sign him.

There are also some rules about after the tag is put on, you can't negotiate with that player till a certain point and if you do resign them, they keep the franchise tag.

So, say the Pats put the tag on Vinateri (which might happen, and if a teams willing to give up two 1st rounders, I'll bet they let him go) and then sign him before the period is over to a 5yr 25mil deal. say it breaks even at 5mil/yr. Now, say his 5th year he is no longer higher paid then the average of the top 5 salaried kickers, his pay would increase, even though he has a contract.

Also, I'm pretty sure it does count against the cap, cause they were saying Breeze will figure like 8-9mil but the charges have 20+ free space.

So, Bledsoe is getting wavied next week, which means the Bills are hoping someone wants to give up some pick for him first.

I predicted he ends up in Dallas a year ago, I stick with it.

Where did Bledsoe go to college?

Washington State....

hmm... maybe Seattle signs Alexander, lets hasselback go and signed Bledsoe for short money?

DON'T FORGET ABOUT GUS FEUROTTE :rant:

or Jeff George, but neither has anything to do with Bledsoe being cut by the Bills.

heard Baltimore is offering up Suggs,McCalister and a 2nd round pick for Moss... Don't know if it's true or not but that seems like alot for moss and im a moss fan.

Holy shit, that would be hottttttttttttttttttttt, conceivably, but we need CB depth, and Brian Williams is still a very good #2 corner... but imagine winfield, mcalister and williams, running the nickel :drool:

But the problem is, could Suggs actually be a difference-maker as a run-stopping linebacker in a 4-3, or is he still just a pure pass rusher? Cause we have Lance Johnstone as the pass-rusher... we need a guy who won't make shit reads, get burned on both run AND pass defense like Thomas and Henderson. :rant:

Thomas = Bama boy reprerentin'

You're bragging?

Ted Bruschi was taken to the hospital yesterday, the family is not letting info be released.

What's been said so far "officially" was he had a sever headache and was taken by ambulance from him home to the hospital and is doing well, but being kept for tests and under the care of a Pats team doctor.

The "rumors" are he has stroke like symptons, partial paralasys and blured vision, and theres also talk that he had a stroke in the ambulance.

I hope he's fine, I could care less about him playing right now you just hope he is fine and can play with his kids and watch the grow up.

yeah it sounds like something my dad had a few years ago they call them "baby strokes" up in canada he should be fine, took my dad about a year to get fully healthy from it again though.

Now the imminent question: If his career is over, does he make the hall of fame?

JK, hope he gets better through, he is the man on and off the field.

Suggs = AZ State boiiii reppin

and Suggs > Thomas

Wadding whats the talk of Hovan rejoining Denny Green in Arizona?

Yeah, there's a report that he suffered a broken blood vessel in his head, but is now sitting up in bed and talking.

Don't like the Patriots but I do like Bruschi and hope everything is ok

Yeah, the last report I saw was he still is having headaches, but he been sitting up and talking and "looks fine".

They played the 911 call, his wife called and said they needed and ambulance to take him to Mass General and told the 911 operator her "husband" had numbness on one side of his body and blurred vision. The 911 operator (semi-rudely) said "Well, I can tell you one thing, he's not going to Mass General, from there he'd be going to sturdy" and she said something like "Oh, well, the doctor told me..." and then the stop the recording.

East coast attitude

I dunno, I think 911 ops are one of the highest stress/out rates of any job.

That and the guy was right, the job or 911 is to take someone to the nearest hospital capable of handling the problem, otherwise if he died in the amulence they would be liable by going to a futher away hospital. You can call the amulance company direct, rather then 911 (used to do this for my grandmother) then you can pick the hospital and it's still covered by insurance.

That being said, he still endedup and mass general.

Some teams just can't manage the cap.

Titans are cutting
Mason, Rolle, Carter, Miller, Holcombe, Nedney.

Wonder how Mason would look in a Pats uniform...

Also, there's questions about the possible new Vikings owner.

A business partner of his was invovled in points shaving, plus it appears most his real estate holding are mortgaged and there's question if he has the 150milllion upfront he needs.

He's already apologized for misleading the nfl on some of his finances.

I think this will still go through, first becuse McCombs is bad for the NFL, second the NFL better have clear cut reasons to disallow the first black nfl owner or they're going to get crapped on and probably sued left and right, remember this is a league that has a rule you must interview a minority coach before you can hire a coach or you face fines.

If it doesn't go through then Glen Taylor is already right on deck and will have the team within a week, and Taylor owning the team would probably be even better then Fowler.

See, Fowler is like Tom Clancy, who wanted the Vikings in 98. Then it came out he owed lots of money in alimony etc. etc., so the deal fell through.

With Glen Taylor, he would have the money, whereas Fowler likely won't, and more importantly, Taylor loves to spend money to win games. For example, the Timberwolves. Who are shooting him in the foot.

Wow a lot of free agents on the market now with Titans cutting a lot of players. Should be intresting to see what happens

Remember when the Cheifs cut that WR Derrick Alexander or soemthing? He was pretty good and then came to the Vikings and sucked horribly :nono:

Kevin Dyson... :lol:

Aren't there rules about owning two sports teams?

I could of sworn the guy who owned the Bucs had to sell them because he owned the Dodgers. But I'm probably misinformed

I don't think so...

I mean the guy that owns the Tampa Bay Lightning owns the Pistons

Don't forget the Shock!

But usually an owner shouldn't own two teams because that's a lot of money and time.

I don't think so, because in the Twin Cities media there is always talk about how Taylor was going to be the guy, and even now people still say he is the guy. Maybe some of the league just don't want owners to have two teams, I could see that, but in Taylors case he is one of the only people who has the ability and credibility to locally own teams in Minnesota, so thats probably why.

I'm pretty sure you're right, the NFL won't let you own another sports franchise and an NFL team.

Like anyone considers the WNBA a real sport. :roll:

That wasn't mentioned at all that I saw when Glen Taylor was trying to buy the Vikings?