Was "The Rock" by far the best wrestler when it came to mic skills?
 

Does anyone even come close to The Rock or even surpass him in mic skills ?.

Discuss....

Chris Jericho and Christian are both pretty close to The Rock. Angle is slightly behind them

Christian and Jericho are up there too.

For the one millionth time it seems, Jericho is the only one of the level of the Rock. They both can take a shit in the middle of the ring and make it interesting.

Actually I'd go as far as to say Flair is up there also.

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We shall see...

Well yes and no. To me, you can't just look at mic skills in one way. Rock was great at getting the crowd to pop and chant along, but I don't think Rock ever told a "story" on the mic. He was like the DJ who's job is to get the crowd going and pump them up. Then he would make fun of guys like a stand up comedian and the crowd would laugh.

Ok, but they you have a Jake Roberts, who drew the crowd in and just mesmorized them as he spoke. When Jake spoke, you listend and you paid attention. His delivery of certain phrases and words was beyond good.

Then you have a guy like Pillman, who was kind of a biblical preacher of the mic. He had that raspy voice, that evil smile, the obnoxious expressions and his delievry would go from high to low and the crowd would eat it up.

Then you have a Blassie/Heenan, who could get a piece of string over if he wanted too.

So there's all kinds of mic work

A vital skill if you're a WWEr.

Rock's shit was stale for years until his most recent heel turn. Like LC said he's great at interacting with the crowd, but most of his stuff was the same thing over and over IMO. As far as pure mic skills go, I would put Triple H, JBL, and Foley above the rock any day.

insert Cena poop joke here

I would have to say that Foley and Jericho are up there...

HHH is one of the best mic people in the WWE. He gets the fans so pissed off at him every time he goes out there.

Foley is certainly one of the most versataile promo guys. He can do serious stuff or comedy just as well as the other. A real genius on the mic.

As for the Rock I found him stale for a few years as well but, especially when he was heel, he was the best.

You're retarded, aren't you?

no, are you? Or are you just so anti-HHH that you can't appreciate the work he does? HHH has some of the best mic skills in the WWE today. Now if you're looking for the most entertaining on mic then yeah, I would deffinately go with Jericho or Christian.

No one comes close to The Rock's mic skills. He is by far the best ever in that category

Jericho and Foley are distant seconds.

Yes, I'm so anti-HHH that I can't see how taking five minute to say a single sentence and being boring is called being good on the mic.

Flair
Jake Roberts
Raven
Steve Austin
Mick Foley

were all better than the Rock.

I hold The Rock pretty much at the top because so much of his stuff was improv and I have great respect for a talent like that, and it pretty much only comes naturally. Mick Foley, Ric Flair, Chris Jericho and possibly Stone Cold are the only wrestlers who are in the same league.

My Favorite mic wrestlers of all time consist of:

Chris Jericho
Steve Corino
Christian
Jake Roberts
Pillman
Owen Hart

And recently I've been extremely impressed by JBL

That's because you are an idiot.

lol.

JBL is the man on the mic. The best today no contest.

Rock is the only wrestler that I have seen who can really get a crowd going. That's the most important aspect of a promo. When Rock talks people listen

No, I disagree. When Rock talks, people get ready to pop and chant, they don't "listen" so to speak. They may listen for catch phrases and comedy lines, but that's not the same as listening to a Jake Roberts get on that mic and tell a story to an audience as the audience sat there is silence in awe.

Austin in the WWE can be argued in the same way as Rock.

But if you own that ECW DVD, put it in right now, yea right now, and watch the first Austin promo. Now that's how you deliver a promo without any catch phrases or cheap pops.

At least you can admit you have a problem. Good for you!
:p

I'll say this. Rock is the best "attention getter" in the history of the business as far as promos go. He's the "life of the party" kind of promo. I never liked them though cause he did the same thing every week.

IMO the best in history is Foley because he did everything and did everything A+

:wtf:

i love the Rock's promo's. I think he is theb est, followed by:

Chris Jericho
Christian
Steve Austin
Vince McMahon
JBL
Kurt Angle
Eddie Guerrero (altho its more his charisma than his mic skills which are great)

Like LC said, Rock is a great hype-man, no doubt, but he isn't much to brag about in the way of promos. His stuff is repetitive, and is basically typical meaningless material over and over. It's all cheap pops for taglines and he doesn't DRAW the audience into the promo for any reason other than to listen for a catchphrase - like the secret word of the day on Pee Wee's Playhouse.

Hmmmm, people that I would rank with Rock....hmmmmmmmm, in no paticular order:

Mick Foley
JBL
Raven
Jericho
Christian
Paul Heyman (though not a wrestler)

As far as honorable mention: Trish Stratus is the best female on the mic I've ever seen.

I agree that the Rock is great at hyping people up, but he was always very reptitive. The few times he actually threw in something new you ended up with phrases about purple monkey's nipples and cockatoos assholes, etc.

Take a look at Jericho back in WCW when he was doing his loophole bit, it's some of the best mic work I've ever seen. Jericho tends to be a bit repetitive in the WWE, but I'd rank him far above the rock in what is actually said on the mic. Others in this category would be Raven and Foley. Those 2 in ECW were brilliant.

People can argue forever on which style is better, but that's a different topic I suppose. Do you want somebody who says the same thing and gets the crowd into it so they can repeat it? or do you want somebody who entertains (or gets heat from) the crowd with fresh material every night?

At the risk of upsetting a fair bit of people on this board, I really don't see what's so great about Christians mic skills. He just whines a little, says something that 9th graders would say, and that's about it.

As for the best. I agree with most of what people have said but I gotta throw the Hot Rod in the mix. Every time I saw him I wanted him to grab the mic.

Yes, my problem is retards.

You're my problem. :)

LOL, that's exactly right. Remember how everyone would just wait for someone to say it and then huge commotion..i.e. pop.

Ok, look, everybody's just naming the people that they mark out for. I'm just saying that HHH has a job to do every time he goes out to the ring or appear on tv and that's to make the audience hate him. And he gets the job done on the mic and in the ring. He does his job so well that they're are people out there that log on to message boards and complain and make outrageous claims about HHH day in and day out. "HHH is champ because he married the boss's daughter!!!111!!!11!" or "HHH is holding the whole rest of the roster down. He' even holding down people on SD!" Sounds like he's doing his job to me and doing a damn good job of it if people are constantly talking about him and making excuses why he's the champion. Anybody take a look at why Trips is the Champ on Raw right now? He is the champ because he's the best heel on Raw right now. It's always better to have a heel as a champ because it makes viewers tune in to see if the good guy will be beat the bad guy who steals victories anyway he can. Who else on Raw are you going to have do it? Edge? Yeah, right. Ric Flair? Great past champ but even Flair understands the buisness needs to progress. Kane? He's lost so many matches really nobody really takes him seriously. Plus the last/only time he was champ was in like 1998, seven years ago. Christian? He's good and a heel champion in the making but his time isn't right now. He needs more build up. A heel Randy Orton? He might be able to get away with it but from I've read he wants to stay as a face and the fans are responding to him less and less. Who's left? Sylvan Granier? Rob Conway? Tomko? Snitzky? HHH is the best heel (including mic skills, ring ability, and ring psychology) on Raw right now and that's why he's the World Heavyweight Champ.

He could make people laugh the most but there are many good promoers that are past him.

Man, you're a real pissy person. Are you PMSing or something? :lol:

It wouldn't kill you to lighten up. Or at least respect other people's opinions without insulting them.

Thank you Vince. It's good to see you've made it to TPWW.net.

That really doesn't say much. It's like saying he's the most intelligent man in Alabama, it's pretty easy to do. WWE is arguably at it's lowest point ever in many aspects, and he's on top - big accomplishment. Lift him up and put him in a time when wrestling had a plethora of actual talent, and he'd be lost.

Wait, you're pissing and moaning about my atrtitude, and telling me to lighten up? :lol:

Sorry, too funny. You must crack up your Secial Ed Teachers.

When you're desperate to explain your stance, this might just be the best he could come up with.

I'm guessing you're not a Bret Hart fan either. cause he was on top when business was really shitty

No, I don't think so. I was naming some great mic workers in the industry and if you haven't seen most of those guys before, then you have no credit in saying people are just naming people they mark out for.


Hmmm, well if doing your job means losing viewers while you talk, then HHH is doing an excellent job. Fact is his people tune out once HHH grabs the mic.



Love this one. Haven't heard this before :roll: NO, we don't make outrageous claims about HHH everyday here. Sometimes, YES, but everyday, NO. And I wouldn't call it outrageous when it's a FACT that HHH has been on top for almost 7 years now and for the last 3 years, business has been in the shitter. KNOW WHY? NO NEW STARS. The WWE is finally learning how to "make" guys the past couple of months.



AHHH, the statement of a mark. Just because he has a "Prop" doesn't make him the best heel :nono:


Pretty ironic statement there considering HHH hasn't understood that NO, VIEWERS DO NOT TUNE IN TO HHH. Buy a copy of the Observer or something and see for yourself.


Hey, no shit. There's HHH and the booking team for you.

WTF have you been watching and how long have you been watching? Do you even know what pyschology is or are you just saying it because you've seen the word mentioned here before?

Wow, this is just a slap in the face to a lot of workers in the WWE right now.

Not really. Bret was one of the only draws at that time and made a ton of money around the world for them. And the WWE was actually on the rise again when he was champ. Business was shitty and down when a certain you know who was champion. When Bret got the Belt back, business started to improve.

Weak argument.

Thank you, LC, for proving my point. You state several times that "that's FACT" or "it's a fact" and when in actuallity it's just your opinion. You have no actual facts to back up your claims. Everything you said is your opinion. Just because your opinion matches up to some other people's opinion doesn't make it fact. You site the decline in business and funny how that coincides with the competition being eliminated and WWE ending the Attitude era and moving in the new "Family Wrestling Show" direction. Just because you flip channels when HHH is on doesn't mean everybody does, so that's hardly a fact. Look, I was just trying to express my opinion and didn't expect to get this kind of heat for it, and I have no desire to go round and round about this.

Btw I was speaking in a general term and not specifically talking about TPWW in regards to replying to my comment about people trashing HHH on message boards.

You say it's a weak argument but it's the same thing LC had just said and that's what John La Rock was pointing out. Thank you for helping him prove his point.

thanks KK ;)

Yea, I've got facts dude. It's called THE Observer, which breaks down segment by segment on which is garnering viewers. It will tell you if HHH lost viewers or gained viewers. Usually his segments LOSE VIEWERS. Would you like a copy the next time I get it? Then you can't talk bullshit on here anymore when you see my point. Agreed?

well at the same time WCW was kicking their ass in the ratings

It's a lot better than any of your weak crap you've thrown out there. All you've proved you can do is insult people.

Oh and by the way, how does HHH have the best "psychology?" Just curious

You want me to believe some statistics in the Observer? Anybody that's been through any business classes can tell you statistics are easily manipulated. Man, you're really getting bent out of shape about somebody liking HHH stating their opinion on the boards. Why is it so important that you prove HHH sucks?

No, it wasn't. He said that it didn't say much that Triple H was a current top heel worker, because it's a big fish/small pond syndrome.

Being on top currently means nothing. Bret's still looked up to, and not because he was "the best at the time," but because he was talent.

I'm glad you've dragged JLR into your mental retardation, and bundled this bullshit as "proof."

Oh noes! I've been found out!

You want us to believe something because you SAY so? What's the diff?

it's funny how almost every thread leads into a HHH discussion lol

Forget it. I can't even get the guy to believe a legit and famous newsletter that's been around the wrestling business for over 20 years. Why would they make up those numbers? They're only selling to wrestling fans. It's not like there going to get a few extra buys claiming HHH lost 113,000(actual numer from newsletter) viewers during his match with Benoit.

Well you could say, well that's Benoit's fault right? Well HHH is champ. He's the best heel. He's the best on the mic. He's got the best pyschology. So if he's the best in everything, don't you think people would want to stay tuned in to see the BEST wrestle?

You have a very good point. Though he could be holding some people down, like Kane, HHH is the best there is right now.

Well, he's definately better then Christian in every aspect. That's for sure.

Relax, LC, I was only messing with you about the Observer. If you say that that's the info that they are reporting then I believe you. I realized the argument wasn't going anywhere so I thought I would have some fun with it. I just thought it was a little funny that you and KK jumped all over me for expressing my opinion of HHH. And for the record I'm an ex-mark of HHH. I use to really enjoy him during DX and his feud with the Rock. Now I think he's lost a step and yes even I am tired of him having the gold but I still don't think there's any other heel on Raw to put the belt on.

Nah, it's not the opinions I jump on. You can say he great yadda yadda yadda. Don't mind that. It's your opinion. Fine, I get that.

But when people make references about how he deserves to be on top and he's doing great business on top (You didn't actually say that, but I felt you were implying it), then I step in cause that's actually been proven wrong.

Opinions of wrestlers = Fine with me. I will never jump on anybody for that. I mean I like Orton and some people hate Orton. I'll dispute you on why Orton is good, but will never say anything like "You're a moron cause you don't like Orton."

OK Truce then.

I'm going to sleep. :wave:

Rock as good as he is on the mic is by no means the best. There are several that are better such as Jake Roberts and Mick Foley.

Also from a non wrestler stand point vince mcmahon and paul heyman are fantastic especially heymans promo on the smackdown before survivor series.

Don't you know that arguing makes you hitler, LC?

I really don't see how anyone could NOT consider Rock the greatest mic worker of all time. BY FAR? I don't know. I think there have been some who have atleast approached him in the history of wrestling. (Gene Snitsky being the most notable of course.)

The Rock is the best. Why? He can act as a perfect heel or a perfect face.

He also tries to increase his material.

Also gold are Chrsitian (Remember hwen he was ultra shit?)

JBL (Same could be said for him abliet he was a satan worshiper and a beer dring bounty hunter :))

Jake The Snake (Best wrestling psychology ever. PERIOD.)

I just can't take you seriously with your last sentence there. Gene Snitsky? You name fucking Gene Snitsky....Gene fucking Snitsky as one guy who has approached the Rock in the HISTORY of wrestling pertaining to mic work. Are you serious? Just spit on about 1000 other guys why don't you. That might be the craziest comment I've heard on here in the last 2 years I've posted on TPWW. No offense..of course :)

lol Snitsky...

what a minute. he's serious :wtf:

There's no need for us to prove anything - he just does!

Ahhh...I don't think so...

I would rather listen to The Rock cut a promo more than anyone else by far. He always got the crowd into it, and most of his stuff was improv. That's why he's the best IMHO.

This is easy people

Jake Roberts
Roddy Piper
Ted Dibiase
Freddie Blassie(as a wrestler and a manager)
Period
End of Story

When it comes to mic skills, Rock is the man on the poster.

Many superstars have had awesome mic skills: Austin, Hogan, etc... but nobody had a crowd in the palm of his hands during a promo like The Rock. He had countless catchphrases, quips, and poses, and the fans knew everyone of them. It's not often you can get damn near every person in the arena to shout out a phrase in unison like they are singing.

With that said, it's a shame The Rock was never fully embraced as a cult-like hero. The fans would NEVER turn on Austin. They NEVER turned on Hogan. But for some reason, they would get funny on The Rock, like they did several times throughout his career by chanting "rocky sucks", even when he was a face.

But when it came to working the mic, I don't think anyone has surpassed Rock.

Fans turned on Hogan in WCW when he first joined NWO. The crowd even was throwing things at him too.


The Rock is number 1 on my list, but to say he miles above everybody on the mic might be an over statment. Austin, Kurt Angle, Foley, Flair, and Hogan are way up there too.

Also I think Bischoff is really good to on the mic does anyone else agree with me on that? Or do people here just think that he really isn't anything special?

LOL, never turned on Hogan? Obviously you didn't watch WCW 1995 and even early 90's WWF they began turn on him a little.

Foley
Raven
Heyman
Douglas
Roberts

shit I forgot about Raven

WHAT ABOUT RAVEN?

WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT PAGE?

Oh, here it is.

ECW Cactus Jack was excellet too.

:lol: ;)

Seriously though. Snitsky on the mic... it's like looking into the face of God and having him say "You are my greatest creation... and if your life sucked, it wasn't my fault."

I think SNitsky proves there IS no God.