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Boondock Saint 04-14-2005 01:29 AM

Triple H injures neck at RAW
 
Triple H injured his neck at RAW on Monday and collapsed backstage at RAW. According to several reports, Triple H landed badly on the neck at one point during his match with Hurricane and Rosey. There was a point where people around him thought he had suffered a concussion. We believe the Triple H neck injury occurred when Rosey went for a leg drop and landed hard on Triple H's neck and face.

As soon as he got behind the curtains where the gorilla position is, he collapsed and had to be helped to his feet. Triple H was backstage and spent a long time icing the neck and kept a towel around it. He did come back out for the shows closing angle with Ross being named an opponent for him next week on RAW. We're told he re aggravated the injury at some point during that and collapsed upon returning backstage.

We're told the injury is the reason the dark main event after RAW didn't take place.

Credit: Wrestlezon
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DaveWadding 04-14-2005 01:31 AM

Cool.

Shadow 04-14-2005 01:33 AM

Yay!

Corkscrewed 04-14-2005 01:35 AM

The Curse of the Bag is upon them. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

James Steele 04-14-2005 01:37 AM

DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

The Icon of Elisim 04-14-2005 01:37 AM

Guess whose getting fired next week....

James Steele 04-14-2005 01:39 AM

I know who they can replace Triple H with at the PPV...


http://christbenoitownsyouall.ytmnd.com/

KingofOldSchool 04-14-2005 01:45 AM

I hope it's not serious.

Gone Mad 04-14-2005 01:46 AM

I knew Rosey landed on him bad. Possibly the reason why he just threw Rosey off the ropes and just beat the hell out of him.

Looks like someone's 3 minutes is up.... oh, and poor HHH.

Gouda 04-14-2005 01:47 AM

Goodbye Rosey.

But way to take one for the team!

Shadow 04-14-2005 01:50 AM

I knew I heard something pop on RAW. And I mean, pop.

If Rosey was smart...he'd blame Matt Hardy. If he were dumb...he'll blame Edge. That's what I'd do anyways.

Mayo 04-14-2005 01:53 AM

That fat piece of shit RC Cola man :rant: WTF is he doing fighting HHH anyways? It was pretty pointless anyways.

Oh well, the only upside to this would be that HHH may take a bit of time off from the ME scene.

PureHatred 04-14-2005 01:56 AM

Locker room reaction with Vince around: :'(

Locker room after Vince left: :D :rofl: :lol: :love: :yes:

Innovator 04-14-2005 02:01 AM

locker room song when vince was around: everybody hurts

song when vince is gone: celebration

mike627 04-14-2005 02:04 AM

Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.

Splaya 04-14-2005 02:28 AM

Holy shit, I'm sorry, I don't wish bad upon anyone, but this is the best news of the day...maybe the week...hell it's the best news of the year.

Gouda 04-14-2005 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike627
Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.

Sherrif HHH. :shifty:

Hired Hitman 04-14-2005 02:39 AM

Is it for real? or this a joke.

mike627 04-14-2005 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gouda
Sherrif HHH. :shifty:

No, I simply do not think the title of "Sherrif" wolud be acceptable (sp?) to HHH more like,god help us Commissoner HHH :eek: :'( :nono:

PureHatred 04-14-2005 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hired Hitman
Is it for real? or this a joke.

Well, its up on all the rumor sites...so its about as reliable as an internet rumor can be. I guess we won't know for sure until the WWE pulls Hnter form in-ring action.

LK 04-14-2005 03:55 AM

Oh well bye Rosey and Hurricane

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike627
Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.

Duh.

jerichoholic169 04-14-2005 06:31 AM

hope he didnt hurt his nose....props to finishing the show if he was seriously injured but rosey is gonna be out of a job now.

Corkscrewed 04-14-2005 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike627
Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.

Get ready for....


HNN
Updates on HHH's Condition Every 5 Minutes*


*Max

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-14-2005 08:36 AM

That's a damn shame.

SuperSlim 04-14-2005 08:52 AM

ya know despite all that he does in and out of the ring, just the fact that he has a neck injury is kinda sucky. I dunno I'm not a HHH fan, a HHH mark or anything like that but someone gettin injured, specially a neck injury, that sucks.

Maybe now he'll chill in the back and not have to come to the ring so many times.

Cactus Sid 04-14-2005 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hired Hitman
Is it for real? or this a joke.

I think its real, I remember thinking during the match that something seemed to be up.

Blue Demon 04-14-2005 09:28 AM

I may not liek the guy but damn :|

John la Rock 04-14-2005 09:44 AM

Get rid of Rosey's fat ass. and either change Hurricane's gimmick or get him the hell out too.

Hope it's not to serious. HHH is the man

Afterlife 04-14-2005 10:55 AM

Yeah, when I saw Rosey's leg drop, I was like..."Ow."

I do find this an interesting response tho: An equal combination of "Yay, downtime for HHH" and "Rosey and Hurricane have a fun and entertaining gimmick, so they should be fired". I mean, I understand everyone has opinions, but let's not forget, guys: with the exception of HHH (and you know it's tru) the wrestlers don't write the show; they just perform it.

Anyway, I hope his neck isn't really hurt too bad. But hey, he was warned -- it WAS clobberin' time.

Evolution 04-14-2005 11:11 AM

Well put Afterlife. Oh, I had the same reaction to both leg drops (Hurricanes off the top rope looked a little sloppy to me).

Bad news for Triple H if he has a neck injury, but he needs a break. I don't think he's had one since Goldberg won the World title in 2003, and even then he was filming Blade Trinity.

Deceit 04-14-2005 11:18 AM

Always shitty when someone gets hurt. Hope he gets better soon.

Nowhere Man 04-14-2005 11:26 AM

Feel bad for the guy, since he's got a definite passion for the business, and now he won't be able to do it for a while. But at the same time....

WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife
I mean, I understand everyone has opinions, but let's not forget, guys: with the exception of HHH (and you know it's tru) the wrestlers don't write the show; they just perform it.

But that's why the Rosie and Hurricane being fired shit is coming up. Because he DOES run the show. And unlike other accidental injuries, this one was against HHH, which bodes poorly for Rosey.

The only condolence is that Rosey's a pretty SHIT wrestler. So the loss of him would be nothing compared to MAtt HArdy. There's the bad gimmick, which he has no control over, and there's the bad wrestling/entertainment value, which he does.

BigDaddyCool 04-14-2005 12:25 PM

Damn, that sucks.

blake639raw 04-14-2005 12:28 PM

Boohoo, let's all jump on the HHH sympathy bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to see him die or anything, but I seriously wouldn't mind him getting a career ending injury.

Fignuts 04-14-2005 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blake639raw
Boohoo, let's all jump on the HHH sympathy bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to see him die or anything, but I seriously wouldn't mind him getting a career ending injury.


When you break your neck we'll wish the same for you.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts
When you break your neck we'll wish the same for you.

You are such an asshole. This was obviously posted by his brother. Bradscott 6969 or whatever.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 01:05 PM

:shifty:

Marcyo 04-14-2005 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
Feel bad for the guy, since he's got a definite passion for the business, and now he won't be able to do it for a while. But at the same time....

WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

my thoughts exactly.

Fignuts 04-14-2005 01:10 PM

Clearly, reytrey hacked his account.

blake639raw 04-14-2005 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight
You are such an asshole. This was obviously posted by his brother. Bradscott 6969 or whatever.

No, this is ME. That wasn't me in the other thread either, but since I can't convince you, I don't seen no point in trying. Just drop it already.

PullMyFinger 04-14-2005 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
Feel bad for the guy, since he's got a definite passion for the business, and now he won't be able to do it for a while. But at the same time....

WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

:y:

loopydate 04-14-2005 02:24 PM

*Dance of joy*

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blake639raw
No, this is ME. That wasn't me in the other thread either, but since I can't convince you, I don't seen no point in trying. Just drop it already.

Hmmm...Surprised you don't blame your brother for everything retarded you say.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 02:45 PM

Sorry, "brother."

Without the quotes, it implies I believe you.

blake639raw 04-14-2005 03:37 PM

So are you gonna bring this up every time I post now?

V 04-14-2005 03:52 PM

man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

stop hating on triple h so much, seriously, he makes raw better... sure his promo's are long, but most marks don't want to see matches that are so long that they have to go through a commercial.

Triple H is the man, stop hating on him, it's getting very old.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blake639raw
So are you gonna bring this up every time I post now?

http://tpww.net/forums/search.php?searchid=41022

There, you can stop being such a fucking drama Queen. Obviously, I'm not bringing this up every time you post, ya freaking pussy.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gohan3k
man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

stop hating on triple h so much, seriously, he makes raw better... sure his promo's are long, but most marks don't want to see matches that are so long that they have to go through a commercial.

Triple H is the man, stop hating on him, it's getting very old.

Wow. When did you become a retard.

Yes, we'll all start to miss him. Like we miss Mister America and Moolah.

loopydate 04-14-2005 04:00 PM

Marks may not want to see matches that go through commercials, but they also don't want to hear the same twenty-minute promo every week. If they want promos, cut his time in half, and let someone else have the rest of it.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loopydate
Marks may not want to see matches that go through commercials, but they also don't want to hear the same twenty-minute promo every week. If they want promos, cut his time in half, and let someone else have the rest of it.

ORmaybe...GASP...Throw in another match. Hell, with HHH's time, you could probably get 2. I mean, I know there are people who could use some mic time, but there's also a ton of underused folks on the roster.

loopydate 04-14-2005 04:17 PM

No...

That'd never work.

Gouda 04-14-2005 04:22 PM

It's just that, yes while injuries are bad, I look forward to a top star getting injured. It means someone has to rise up and take their place.

Austin got injured and The Rock was born. Possibly. If my memory isn't faulty.

HHH got injured and undisputed Jericho was born (although promptly buried by him upon return).

PureHatred 04-14-2005 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gohan3k
man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

stop hating on triple h so much, seriously, he makes raw better... sure his promo's are long, but most marks don't want to see matches that are so long that they have to go through a commercial.

Triple H is the man, stop hating on him, it's getting very old.

WTF??! Trips was 'the man' about 4 years ago. Now he's just 'the man' who takes up all the TV time. At one point I thought he was legitimately the best heel in wrestling. But his act is tired, he hasn't changed his promos in years, his matches are no longer what they once were, and its pretty much established that he has creative input on the product(which he got by marrying the owner's daughter). So if someone is getting buried, Trips probably had a hand in it.

He doesn't make Raw better. He makes it repetitive. While I don't enjoy the thought of soemone suffering a neck injury (which can be career-thretening) I actually DO like the fact that if he's out for an extended period of time, this forces the writing team to find someone else to run with the ball. Someone is going to need to become the primary heel on Raw and I want to see who gets that opportunity and hwo they do.

Eunos 04-14-2005 05:41 PM

Im no Triple H fan but i will say i hope this isnt anything to seriously.

Equally if this keeps him out of action for awhile we can finally get some new guys in the main event.

Get Well Triple H but not to sson please.

roach21 04-14-2005 06:23 PM

who do you guys think will step in as main heel if Trips is gone?

Ruien 04-14-2005 06:29 PM

This can acually suck for us real bad. When he comes back, what if he can not wreslte for shit. This injury might make him suck (might), and we will have to watch a sucky HHH in the main event for 5 more years. I would rather have a HHH that can wrestle.

Pegasus Crawford 04-14-2005 06:34 PM

Quote:

HHH neck injury update

by Dave Meltzer

Dave@wrestlingobserver.com

HHH suffered a neck injury on Monday's Raw when Rosey landed on him with an ass bump. The injury was serious enough that Stephanie McMahon didn't stay for the Smackdown show last night in Chicago, or go to OVW today.

However, the current belief is it was a stinger, but not serious enough to keep him out of action. At this point, he is still expected to wrestle on Monday night's Madison Square Garden show.
lol @ "ass bump"

John la Rock 04-14-2005 06:36 PM

I remember when RVD injured his neck with the 5 Star in the Elimination Chamber.

probably why Rob has been held down so much

Lamuella 04-14-2005 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gohan3k
man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

I won't. Really, I won't.

I didn't miss him in 2001 when he was out. I won't miss him now.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eunos
Im no Triple H fan but i will say i hope this isnt anything to seriously.

Equally if this keeps him out of action for awhile we can finally get some new guys in the main event.

Get Well Triple H but not to sson please.

The only problem is that the new guys will all lay down the minute Trips is back.

tucsonspeed6 04-14-2005 07:53 PM

Seriously, I was watching that match, and I saw the part with the leg drop, and I noticed that HHH turned his head away, and I was thinking, "Man, what a pussie. He flinched!" So I guess he got what he deserved...fucking rookie.

CYCLOPTERSAURUS 04-14-2005 07:53 PM

I don't wish anybody harm or anything, and if there was another way for him to stop wrestling that would be fantastic, but as of right now, injury seems to be the only way to get him to go away.

And I'm sorry to say, I find this to be great news. I really sincerely hope he's out for a while. Not because I wish him bodily harm, but because he ruins Raw for me. I've been sick of HHH for years, and with him gone, some of the other heels on Raw might get a chance.

V 04-14-2005 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight
Wow. When did you become a retard.

Yes, we'll all start to miss him. Like we miss Mister America and Moolah.

lol come on man, batista wouldnt' be as big as he is without hhh, yeah someone else could have put him over, but it wouldn't have been as effective imo

as long as he doesn't get the title back I can stand him and actually enjoy him on raw

it's when he keeps the title that he's annoying.. and he doesn't have it right now.. as long as he doesn't win at backlash and then stops going after it he's an asset to raw

Londoner 04-14-2005 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed
Get ready for....


HNN
Updates on HHH's Condition Every 5 Minutes*


*Max


Haha, beat me to it, i was thinking the same thing. he'll find way to make wrestlers job to him also...

Londoner 04-14-2005 09:00 PM

Oh, and Gohan shut it!HHH doesn't give anybody else time to make themselves stars..because he takes up the whole fucking show. That's why he continues to take credit for Batista, cos he overbooked himself.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 09:17 PM

Batista would have been big with anyone in that position.

Shadow 04-14-2005 09:18 PM

Ok...I guess since no one wants to I will.

I hope HHH dies a horrible horrible and painful death. Because I hate him that much. Anyone who says Matt Hardy doesn't draw deserves that type of death.

John la Rock 04-14-2005 09:21 PM

great post mon ami :roll:

Shadow 04-14-2005 09:29 PM

Oh piss off.

The One 04-14-2005 09:33 PM

oh no triple h is hurt what do i do...who can i watch on raw now?

Jaded-Dragon 04-14-2005 09:34 PM

Karma's a bitch

Shadow 04-14-2005 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaded-Dragon
Karma's a bitch

Exactly. HHH got what he deserved and high time too.

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaded-Dragon
Karma's a bitch

True.

Gouda 04-14-2005 09:48 PM

You know... it's already been reported that he should be fine for Monday.

Then.... I'd laugh my ass off if JR aggravated the injury in their match. :shifty:

owenbrown 04-14-2005 10:09 PM

I feel bad for Triple H for his neck injury given the # of them in the past few years by other wrestlers. But, maybe this will give him a chance to get out of the spotlight for a while.... PLEASE?????? :-\

Kane Knight 04-14-2005 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gouda
You know... it's already been reported that he should be fine for Monday.

Then.... I'd laugh my ass off if JR aggravated the injury in their match. :shifty:

Now...THAT...would be KARMA.

YOUR Hero 04-14-2005 10:20 PM

Karma, exactly.

I'd just be repeating what others have already stated. But what I find ironic is that he got himself hurt in a match that severed absolutely no purpose other than to make himself still look dangerous after a defeat. Something that wasn't needed, something no one cared about... something I presume, he simply wanted.

olympic hitman 04-15-2005 02:08 AM

hhh severly injured
 

Most sites are currently reporting that Triple H "should still be in shape" for his RAW match with Jim Ross. After that, is anyone's guess.....

It's funny. My view on HHH has changed recently. I used to follow the mindless zombies on the 'net that hate Triple H. Why? Good question.

Most people hate Trips because he can basically do anything he wants. I find this factor of his character to be cool. However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.

Triple H is by FAR the best wrestler in the WWE right now. I don't mean best wrestler only[which would be Benoit] or best character only[that'd be Jericho], but, Triple H is the complete package. He's got it all. The talent in-ring, great mic skills, and the guy has been in wars such as Hell In a Cell, Cage matches, Barbed wire matches, etc. If you really think about it, Triple H is the only link left from the "Attitude Era". He basically carried the company when Rock, Austin, and Foley were gone. So, for that, I respect "The Game".

I'd say keep the title off him awhile though. Being a ten time champion in a short time frame is ridiculous. He's gettin' up there with Flair and it took Flair between twenty and thirty years to become a 16 time Champ.

But, back on topic; Triple H's injured?! I hope not. Even though 99% of everyone online[and offline] hate him, he does carry the show. Once he's gone, you'll see what I mean. Hopefully though, Trips will be o.k. :)

loopydate 04-15-2005 02:18 AM

Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?

Kane Knight 04-15-2005 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olympic hitman

Most people hate Trips because he can basically do anything he wants. I find this factor of his character to be cool. However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.

The problem is that he DOES use backstage politics to stay on top.

People also hate him because he's long winded and boring. It's not bad enough that he cuts 20 minute promos, he has to cut the same one every fucking week.

Quote:

Triple H is by FAR the best wrestler in the WWE right now. I don't mean best wrestler only[which would be Benoit] or best character only[that'd be Jericho], but, Triple H is the complete package. He's got it all. The talent in-ring, great mic skills,
Okay, you're either taking this piss or smoking crack.

Angle blows hunter out of the water by far, and arguing Hunter has mic skills is just plain pointless. PEOPLE CHANGE THE CHANNEL WHEN HE CUTS A PROMO. I don't know why you think it's good business to turn people away from your spot.

ford fairlane 04-15-2005 12:01 PM

well if trips is out of the picture for a while it can only be a good thing

at the moment you have him cutting promos for about half the show (well it feels like half the show) to no end nothing new nothing fresh nothing original.
where as if he is out more time should go to the other talent thats being so underused

when was the last time the wwe used backstage to good effect to build up an angle or add heat from the crowd apart from the rather poor kane orton bit

Kane Knight 04-15-2005 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ford fairlane
well if trips is out of the picture for a while it can only be a good thing

at the moment you have him cutting promos for about half the show (well it feels like half the show) to no end nothing new nothing fresh nothing original.
where as if he is out more time should go to the other talent thats being so underused

when was the last time the wwe used backstage to good effect to build up an angle or add heat from the crowd apart from the rather poor kane orton bit

You've never heard of punctuation, have you?

ford fairlane 04-15-2005 12:20 PM

Quote:

You've never heard of punctuation, have you?
yeah its in the south of france :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Kane Knight 04-15-2005 12:27 PM

That's only clever if you're severely mentally handicapped.

Evolution 04-15-2005 06:03 PM

This HAS to be good for business. Let me take you back in time. It's early-mid 1999. Austin and Undertaker were THE guys in the title scene. Hot on the heels was The Rock, followed closely by Mankind.

However, a knee injury sidelined Mankind, so they brought in former D-Generation X leader and Corporate Ministry member Triple H to fill his shoes.

Triple H, by hook or by crook, came out on top of that feud, leading to a mini-feud with Undertaker and Triple H within the Corporate Ministry. Undertaker, as well as this feud with Triple H, had a feud with Austin, Kane and to a certain extent, X-Pac.

However, Mankind came back, and due to story-telling, was back in the title hunt. While Undertaker worked with Big Show against Kane and X-Pac, Mankind and Triple H were the top contenders for Austin's title. Mankind won, but the next night, Triple H stole the match.

Austin's return over 2 weeks later (Triple H had put him on the shelf) thrust Austin back into the title hunt, and everyone was after Triple H's title, including Mr. McMahon. After time, the title scene settled down, and The Rock and Stone Cold were the top contenders for the title.

However, due to a severe injury, Austin had to get out of there. In one of the best stories of the WWF Attitude era, Austin was sidelined and Big Show brought in to replace him. Big Show didn't draw too much as champion, so Triple H got the belt back.

A VERY long-winded feud was underway between Triple H and The Rock for the WWF title. Then, Undertaker was back, and he was kickin' ass! Sharing Undertaker's spotlight at the time was Kane, so there were now 3 contenders once again. The Rock won the title and then everyone went there separate ways because it made sence from a storyline point-of-view. Undertaker feuded with Kane, Triple H feuded with Chris Jericho, who was there to fight for the title? Kurt Angle.

But the same night Angle won the title, Austin made his return. In a smart move, Austin was kept out of the title scene for a couple of months. He faught Rikishi, elevating him. Then he moved on to Triple H. He finally got a title shot against Angle, but it was with 4 other guys. Angle squeaked out a victory, and for some reason Triple H was number one contender.

Welcome to Royal Rumble 2001. Triple H is screwed out of the title by Austin. Austin is nearly screwed out of the Rumble by Triple H, but somehow manages to win.

At No Way Out, Austin fights Triple H because there is still a lot of hatred there. Meanwhile The Rock regains the WWF title from Kurt Angle. WrestleMania X-Seven rolls around and the stage is set. Rock/Austin II for the title. Austin manages to regain the title from The Rock. The next night is the re-match, but The Rock is screwed by Vince, Triple H and Vince. Thus begins a very promising alliance that was cut short by the infamous quad injury. The InVasion angle is around the corner, so to compete for the title in the meantime is Jericho and Benoit. At InVasion there was no WWF or WCW title match, mainly because there were no contenders.

Kurt Angle is thrust back in to defend the WWF's honour against the traitor Steve Austin. The audience isn't buying Angle as a face because there is someone else who they want. And they get him. Rob Van Dam steps up to the plate.

The end of the angle sees Austin still with the WWF title, but The Rock with the World title (which became the official name of the now defunct WCW title). They creat the Undisputed Championship. Knowing Triple H will be back soon and as a result will main-event WrestleMania X8 and win the title, they need someone who can be used as a short-lived champion. Enter the saviour, Chris Jericho. He reatains the title by shady means, e.g. chair shots to The Rock, nWo beating up Stone Cold.

WrestleMania rolls around and Triple H is once again, champion.

My point? I forget.











Oh yeah, how many opportunities were created for upper-mid-carders due to injury? Triple H, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Jericho, RVD, Kane? With this top guy possibly facing the sideline for the forseeable future, who has an opportunity here? Edge (with his ladder match win), Christian, Jericho, Benoit. As long as Triple H doesn't do something stupid like become the first guy to become world champion while on crutches, this is VERY good for business.

P.S. 500 POSTS! WOOOOO!

Disturbed316 04-15-2005 06:20 PM

Here is a link to the offending move, if anyone is interested:

http://rapidshare.de/files/1259435/hhh.wmv.html

-credit to Puke_boy at nodq.com-

The CyNick 04-15-2005 09:52 PM

Its bad when someone gets hurt, and if it was a deal that would keep him out for a year or soemthing, I would say it might be a good thing for the company.

However, if its only a month, or a couple of months, all it will do is heat up HHH for a return, and if Batista stutters at all as the champ, he'll be handing the belt back to HHH.

I am still interested to see what Hunter does this summer in terms of if he pulls what he did last year with Benoit, or actually lets Batista take the ball and see if he can run with it. So far HHH has done everything in his power to make Batista a star, and its been very successful, but HHH has a poor history when it comes to stepping aside.

As far as his being "the total package", I would actually heavily disagree with that. I dont think he's in the top 5 in terms of workers in the company, I dont think he's top 5 in promos, so that to me, puts him out of the running for best all aorund talent. HHH is very good, but he's highly overrated.

olympic hitman 04-16-2005 02:36 AM

hhh severly injured
 
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The problem is that he DOES use backstage politics to stay on top.
I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniatialy skip that part? Do I need to re-quote myself as proof? Guess so;

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However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that
Is this the part you skipped? I'm still wonderin' that question. You see, I[as well as all the rumor believers] have also read the stuff about Triple H and his politics. While I believe politics have kept him on top, it's simply because up until now[with Batista], no one could carry his belt. Need I remind you of Orton's reign? I don't like the fact that Triple H seems insecure enough to play the politic game, but, I'm sure ALL pro-wrestlers do it, just some are better at the game than others.....

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Okay, you're either taking this piss or smoking crack
Again, when you reply to me, leave out your little smartass sarcasms and remarks. Debate me, not get into a little back-and-forth kiddie arguement.

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Angle blows Hunter out of the water by far, and arguing Hunter has mic skills is just plain pointless....blah,blah, and blah....
This is just YOUR OPINION and not the view of everyone here. Yes, Angle is the better technician. But, Triple H is better than Angle in some ways as well. Hunter can tell stories in his matches and do things others simply cannot. Although I don't consider myself the biggest HHH fan on the planet, I do believe in giving credit where it's due. I also realize Angle is great. However, it's hard to compare the two. Although both have seperate styles, they are virtually the same. They win alot and lose very little. Both are the best of their brands[RAW & SD].

Each are special in their own ways, which was my initial point[which you missed]. Does Trips stay on top unfairly? YES, any idiot can see it. He's in the McMahon family. Meaning he can do WHATEVER, WHENEVER.

Anyway, let's just hope this injury thing isn't all that bad and the show will go on....

PureHatred 04-16-2005 03:10 AM

I know its an opinion thing, but you went out on a limb and said Trips was the best wrestler "by far."

You could argue that not only Angle, but Jericho, and maybe even Eddie Guerrero are better in the ring AND on the mic. And to be fair, you did say that you would lose respect "if" he used backstage politics. Then in your very next post you act like it's soo obvious he's playing the political game, etc....

Basically, you contradicted yourself which made your whole argument sound stupid.

Not to mention the whole "no one could carry his belt up until this point" which totally ignores the last couple of years n the WWE where Hunter buried Jericho, made Benoit's reign look insignificant, and killed off the heatthat his feuds with Booker T and Kane had by refusing to do the job. Oh yeah, and that whole ruining Goldberg's entire run in the WWE which should've made huge money and turned into a pointless joke.

I like some of Trips earlier work and he's still a capable heel; its just tiresome to have him dominating the show so much.

Fox 04-16-2005 04:46 AM

Why is it that anyone who disagrees with olympic hitman is apparently putting forth an immature "kiddie argument," when he himself contradicts his own statements in a single post and can't seem to make a point and stick to it?

"All pro wrestlers do it, some wrestlers are better at it (the politic game) than others..." yet "Does Trips stay on top unfairly? Yes. Any idiot can see that. He's in the McMahon family."

To say that no one was capable of carrying the World Title other than Triple H and BATISTA is to demean the undeniable talents of Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane (a year ago), Booker T (2 years ago) and even Edge. Triple H isn't the champion because he's the only one that's qualified - he's the champion because he MAKES HIMSELF the champion with his backstage politics, whilst burying aforementioned superstars.

Triple H deserved the title when he was drawing in 2000 and 2001, but he has held the title for nearly three years now without giving anyone else a chance to get over with the belt. Don't try and hide this FACT, because there is no way to deny it.

Corkscrewed 04-16-2005 06:11 AM

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Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?

I would SO pay to see that! :rofl:

Kane Knight 04-16-2005 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by olympic hitman
I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniatialy skip that part? Do I need to re-quote myself as proof? Guess so;

No, you STATED that you wouldn't respect him IF he did.

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However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that
You even quote yourself saying that, trying to tell me that you're saying that you disliked it. Fucking liar. IF you were TRYING to say it, you failed. What you DID say did not in ANY way state that he WAS using it, it established a hypothetical situation. For someone who tried to pull the "if you know what infer means" nonsense, it'd be nice if you looked at what your own writing states before getting pissing about someone selectively missing something.

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Is this the part you skipped? I'm still wonderin' that question. You see, I[as well as all the rumor believers] have also read the stuff about Triple H and his politics. While I believe politics have kept him on top, it's simply because up until now[with Batista], no one could carry his belt. Need I remind you of Orton's reign? I don't like the fact that Triple H seems insecure enough to play the politic game, but, I'm sure ALL pro-wrestlers do it, just some are better at the game than others.....
And some marry the boss' daughter. but you're wrong. PLENTY of people could carry the title, and draw better than Triple H. Again, when people TUNE OUT on your segments, you're doing a bad job.

Still, you're arguing him being a strong player, and politics doesn't play into that. If he was a strong player, his ratings would be the best in the biz. Or at least up there. Instead of a snoregasm.

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Again, when you reply to me, leave out your little smartass sarcasms and remarks. Debate me, not get into a little back-and-forth kiddie arguement.
No.

Especially not from some semiliterate buffoon who makes such demands of me.

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This is just YOUR OPINION and not the view of everyone here. Yes, Angle is the better technician. But, Triple H is better than Angle in some ways as well. Hunter can tell stories in his matches and do things others simply cannot. Although I don't consider myself the biggest HHH fan on the planet, I do believe in giving credit where it's due. I also realize Angle is great. However, it's hard to compare the two. Although both have seperate styles, they are virtually the same. They win alot and lose very little. Both are the best of their brands[RAW & SD].
Of course it's my opinion. And also the opinion of the viewers, evidently. Even with a piss poor show and bad booking, Angle can still draw, get fan reactions, etc. Triple H can't even do that when he's forcing himself on us.

And no. There are better on Raw. Hell, I'd put Michaels up above HHH. Jericho's a better mic and AND in-ring performer. v And the beautiful thing? It's an opinion backed up by the fact that they can. Actually. Get. Crowd. Reactions.

(By the way, I respect those that earn respect. If you're going to pull the route of the average moron who has to tell me "that's your opinion," you don't deserve that level of respect. Seriously. Of course it's my opinion. We're talking about the better performer. It's already udnerstood by everyone with an IQ of double digits or better)

Kane Knight 04-16-2005 11:38 AM

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I know its an opinion thing, but you went out on a limb and said Trips was the best wrestler "by far."

You could argue that not only Angle, but Jericho, and maybe even Eddie Guerrero are better in the ring AND on the mic. And to be fair, you did say that you would lose respect "if" he used backstage politics. Then in your very next post you act like it's soo obvious he's playing the political game, etc....

Basically, you contradicted yourself which made your whole argument sound stupid.

Not to mention the whole "no one could carry his belt up until this point" which totally ignores the last couple of years n the WWE where Hunter buried Jericho, made Benoit's reign look insignificant, and killed off the heatthat his feuds with Booker T and Kane had by refusing to do the job. Oh yeah, and that whole ruining Goldberg's entire run in the WWE which should've made huge money and turned into a pointless joke.

I like some of Trips earlier work and he's still a capable heel; its just tiresome to have him dominating the show so much.

I want to see Hunter from 2000 or so back. He isn't and won't be the best, but he was watchable.

But I guess Olympic Hitman is right. I mean, no-one can carry his belt. Mostly because he's booking himself as unbeatable, but still.

And the fact that it makes his argument intellectually dishonest, on top of scattered and hipocritical is really meaningless.

Afterlife 04-16-2005 11:41 AM

Wow. Olympic Hitman sure put things in perspective when he called Trips the "best by far". I mean, really; only a champion needs a sledge hammer in sixty per cent of his matches. Excellent point, shmuck. That's why it always bugs me when H calls himself "the best": Because Angle is a heel without cheating; he's a heel because he's a dick. If H was just a dick and a good wrestler, that'd be one thing. But even in the unnecessary handicap match that injured him, he couldn't win it clean, what with taking the fight outside the ring. I don't know how long it's been since I've seen "the best" actually WIN a match.

Kane Knight 04-16-2005 11:52 AM

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Wow. Olympic Hitman sure put things in perspective when he called Trips the "best by far". I mean, really; only a champion needs a sledge hammer in sixty per cent of his matches. Excellent point, shmuck. That's why it always bugs me when H calls himself "the best": Because Angle is a heel without cheating; he's a heel because he's a dick. If H was just a dick and a good wrestler, that'd be one thing. But even in the unnecessary handicap match that injured him, he couldn't win it clean, what with taking the fight outside the ring. I don't know how long it's been since I've seen "the best" actually WIN a match.

I disagree. It doesn't matter as much how he wins a match as it does how he handles it. Almost every heel champ calls themselves "the best." JBL called himself a "wrestling God." The difference is he was actually a good heel. While I hate the backstage guy, the persona, the on mic persona is fucking amazing. While the lack of ANY credible wins did hurt him, he was in a better boat than HHH because:
  1. People knew he would drop the belt eventually, not just drop it only to get it back 2 months later for an 8-10 month reign.
  2. His promos were gold. He may suck in ring compared to many of the talents on both shows, but he is one of the best with a mic.
  3. While his title reign was long, it wasn't totally monotonous. Triple H's title reign has really been almost 3 years, despite brief breaks in his ownership. Nobody's been able to get over as a possible champ because of the glass ceiling, and the fact that he's always the main event even when he loses the title. You may not like the folks vying for the title on Smackdown right now, but it's easier to believe they COULD become champion.
Honestly, if Triple H wasn't so boring, and if he didn't dominate the title ad nauseum, I wouldn't give a shit about him winning with a sledge hammer so often.

olympic hitman 04-17-2005 04:20 AM



I knew I'd catch some heat once I replied to this, seeing as most people believe the rumors and misconceptions that are rampant on the "net" about HHH.


I will admit, it does seem that he has some stroke with the backstage portion of the shows.

And once again, Kane Knight, you are putting words into my mouth that weren't there to begin with. I said ;

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However, if he does employ his backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.
This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make. Last time I checked, McMahon was still CEO and Chairman of the WWE. Which simply means he calls the shots, not HHH.

However, I'm not defending HHH. I happen to think his outrageously long title reigns are gettin' old. I'd much rather see Edge or Christian where HHH is, but, it's doubtful that will happen unless Trips's neck is severly injured and he is out 6 months to a 1 year,

Knight, you don't seem to realize somethin'. We actually agree upon some things. Open your eyes and see that, instead of always flaming and judging me. I'm sure HHH is no different than any other main-eventer. He's a proven winner in a time of few stars. I don't see anyone on RAW currently who could make the kinda impact "The Game" has been making, can you?

PureHatred 04-17-2005 04:39 AM

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Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make.

Saying we don't know for a fact that Trips is a politician backstage is like saying that we don't know for a fact that Dubya lied to get us into Iraq. Maybe there's not a public admission, but the circumstancial evidence is a little overwhelming.

Beyond the reports of Hunter sitting in on writers' meetings and showing up at Smackdown tapings to 'talk to the guys,' there's the very real interview that Linda Mcmahon gave to the Wallstreet Journal last year where she was asked about Hunter and went on and on about how talented her son-in-law was and how valuable his input to the creative process was.

And of course there are the dozens of interviews done on radio and the web by former wrestlers who know they're never going back to the WWE talking about the backstage politics: DDP, Chris Kanyon, Mike Awesome....jesus, Bill Goldberg went on several nationally syndicated radio and television programs to talk about ..,.how did he put it...how "Vince was doing all the talking but Triple H was the one with the hand up his [vince's] ass."

So, yes, Vince has final say. And yes, all main eventers have used politics. Hell, Hulk Hogan might be one of the great political animals of our time, wrestling or otherwise. And yes, it may even seem normal that Trips gets say in the product since he may end up as real life CEO in a few years. But that doesn't mean that its enjoyable that he uses his stroke backstage to keep himself in the main event when he bores many fans to the point where they change the channel, despite what you keep saying about how Triple H is "by far' the best wrestler in the WWE or how no one else can "carry his belt."

olympic hitman 04-17-2005 05:32 AM


For the LAST time, let me clarify my views on Triple H;

Yes, I did say he's the "best by far", which he is. Tell me ONE single guy who has been in as many gimmick matches, stuck by the company when others[Austin, Rock] were leaving.....NOPE, none. Triple H was champion and is in the position he's in because he's smart. He's been loyal to the company that made him and we're simply seeing some of the payoff for that loyalty. To say anything different would be a new level of denial.....

And yes, it is obvious Triple H is a politician. It doesn't take a scientist to analyze a 2-hour show[RAW] in which HHH takes up at least one of those two hours each week for people to realize he's the one pulling the strings. However, I'm simply saying that Triple H is the closest thing to what Ric Flair was for WCW[which is the franchise guy for that company, in this case HHH is the main man for WWE]. Is this because of his relationship with Steph? Again, Ray Charles could've called that one, pal :D. There are masters of the obvious running rampant around here. "Triple H is a politician". WOW! I'm sure glad someone pointed that out, or I may have missed it.......

My conclusion; Triple H being out is a bad thing. Like it or not, the WWE usually "puts over" new guys through Triple H[Shelton Benjamin, Chris Benoit's first title reign, Batista's reign, etc]. Am I blind? No. Triple H also being out could be a good thing. That means spots will open up and guys will get opportunities they may not have had if Trips had still been around.

I just think it's a shame that people are celebrating when a man's livelihood and life could be jeopordized. After all, Triple H is human too :roll:


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