Is it me, or are even the TNA folks not impressed by Lockdown?
 

I mean, the backstage interview. Three people, and only AJ Styles seems at all into it. Jeff hardy was preaching oldschool, but with energy that reminded me of Slowpoke Gonzalez. And douglas was like "blah."

Of course, the ringside announce team is trying to sell pretty much everything like usual, but even they seem like they're popping Valium. I think the most energy I saw outside of the ring was from Waltman, and likely only to take his mind off Chyna or whatever she calls herself now.

So is it me? Am I reading too much into this, or does it really seem like that "death watch" comment in one article posted recently is pretty apt?

Considering that backstage stuff was done in one day and Jeff was concussed.....I'd say yeah...they're all on death watch.

LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matches

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I almost spit out my water when I read that post. :rofl:

Yeah, I saw some of Impact! tonight but had to change the channel...it was way too fucking boring.

I'll laugh if they continually hype this damn PPV to the point where everything will be surrounded with cages (just the thought of a cage surrounding the announcer's table alone), it shows that the show's one giant gimmick. That and have you seen the matches that are on the card? It's like selling Viscera v. Mark Henry in a cage sometimes.

And yes, they realize that this is death watch time, since this is pretty much like having 7 Inferno matches. It's overkill and it's just a cheap way of getting ratings.

They have planty of big names, fucktwit. They just make sure that all the "new guys" are the ones that do all the jobbing. Try reading the results once in a while.



One of the basic concepts of booking is that you use gimmick matches sparingly, or else they lose their importance. Having all the matches in a cage is outright stupid. Why should I, as a viewer, care that Abyss v Styles is in a cage when even the curtain jerkers are in a cage? [Why, retard, why?]

See, I get it..what you did there was use the word IMPACT in your sentence ike TNA uses that word for the name of their show...you sir, are one clever rascal.

Tenay: Ladies and gentlemen, we're in a steel cage! Everyone is under lockdown!
West: Oh my!!!! Only on TNA!!!!

Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:

Either that or Sean O'Haire is going to debut with them :shifty:

That's sad. When Spike requested copies of Impact!, I assume the deal would die there...since Impact! is terrible.

*rhetorical, fucktwit

Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:

Plus, you named six established, name wrestlers. How many more do they need, since in your first post you said they didn't have enough to get their "new guys" over?

Plus, you ignored how I called you a retard for thinking that a PPV where everything [maybe even the announce table!!!] is a good idea.

Ah, my bad. what I meant to say was that I called you a retard for saying that it was a good idea to have a PPV where everything was in a steel cage.

Typo.

Jeff is excused then. HEad trauma's a good excuse for not knowing what's going on. ;)

You've never watched TNA, have you?

TNA have a LOT of names, and a LOT of talent. The problem is they've got the senior citizens holding down talent just like TNA.

No wonder they've changed the title of the PPV to "TNA: We're really UFC" and hired back shamrock.

I don't know, there's a way out of this cage.

HE feels at home.

You've hit on the real problem: the names have no talent, and the talent has no name.

Which is indeed the problem, and it won't change as long as the TNA bookers think that people want to se ea mian event slot involving Kevin Nash.

I wonder when TNA will pick Matt Hardy...

Am I reading this right?
Do you really think the purpose of getting big name stars in a company is to job them?
What motivation would these stars have in doing such a thing to their career?

Especially when they can go to TNA and go over rookies when they're in their 80s.

That sounded very Pokémon to me.

"MAttitude! I CHOOSE YOU!"

But seriously, they can't hire Matt. He would eat up the time for lesser stars.

Those "top guys" are wayyyy passed the point where they can put somebody over. You think AJ Syles pinning a Kevin Nash would do anything?

A real main event guy would be someone who left the WWE in favour of TNA, like Hogan and co did with WCW back in the day.

The fact that TNA uses all of the WWE castaways as top guys shows that they will never make it on a major level.

If I were Spike TV I wouldn't do business with TNA, I would rather put more time into UFC, which has a chance of blowing up.

The Cage PPV idea is dumb. Basic wrestling logic says that when you do something too much, you lose the specialness of it, and it becomes meaningless.

Its a new concept yes, but I could try to sell a PPV by having 8 matches where the guys could only use bodyslams as offensive moves. Thats new, but its still a really dumb idea.

After this PPV how are they ever going to be able to sell another cage match in the next 6-8 months? Nobody will care. They alreay exhausted the Ultimate X match, not they are doing it to the cage gimmick. Not smart for a company that relies so heavily on PPV buys.

Anyone else catch on to the blatant self-contradictory in caring enough to reply to Dave's statement just to say he doesn't care enough to reply?

Anyways, the all-cage PPV is stupid, and TNA will go down as a major disappointment in my book, with enough talented workers to put on great shows and decent enough names to survive in the indies, but bogged down by awful booking. (I love run-on sentences)

I was just going to say something about that. Bastard. :mad:

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The CyNick again.

They going through a period right now but things should be changing real soon.TNA always had it's up's and down just like every other company has.

Jerry and Jeff Jarrett is already on Dusty ass and he will probably be gone after Hard Justice. They already told Dusty to stop using Dustin that much. They also fired Phi Delta Slam and put down Trytan. I think they realize Dusty not doing well.

Nash last match is probably at Lockdown.He's gone, YEA!!!

DDP said he got three big matches left, he will be gone after June basically.

Hall is already fired.

I don't expect Waltman too last.Since he paid by appearances and Nash is leaving, he's done.

Jarrett about to push the X division again like he did before Dusty came in according to PWINSIDER. Plus, Dutt is already back. TNA is expecting to bring Spanky,Shelley and Red back this summer. Also James Gibson(Noble) and TNA is talking now. Don't forget the fact that Matt Hardy and Rhyno will be free in July.

Styles is expected to win the title at either Slammiversary or Hard Justice. They already pushing Styles as a main eventer since he's main eventing Lockdown.That's a good thing, it should be a good thing if you want a wrestler who is great as your champion.

3lk is about to break up and New Age Outlawz will reunite. According to current storylines. The tag division will be hot with The Naturals getting more air time now since last summer, add that with AMW,Team Canada,Siaki/Apollo,Kash/Hoyt and NAO,pretty good division. Don't forget the possible reunion of the Hardy Boyz.

You can say it's a down period but to called it death watch is a typical reader who think TNA is about to go out of business every month. If TNA was going out of business or anywhere close, don't you think the wrestlers will be jumping off the ship by now. It will be all over the net by now.

You shut up ignorant ass.

Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.

Ignorant, ok, if Lockdown turns out to be good will you give credit to TNA?

I just pointed out some things. How many times we seen a "TNA about to die topic"? It seems like every month we go through the same thing. It's like people is waiting for TNA to die ever since day 1. TNA can't even make a mistake without someone saying, "they is about to go out of business". No wrestling company is perfect and if you looking for perfection, go play your little video games because you not living in the real world.

:y;

Also, you consider that I was alluding to someone else's reporting, where the mood backstage WAS considered to be a "death watch."

TNA shouldn't be fluctuating this wildly right now. With the WWE, it's easy to say that it's a cyclical buysiness (Whether or not you believe it). With TNA, it hasn't been around long enough to cycle like this.

Now, contrary to the semi-literate Godson's beliefs, I'm not one of the people calling out that TNA will die monthly. What I am calling out is that when even the talent in the show don't seem all that excited...

You have.

A fucking.

Problem.

But their down's is not as big as people make them out to be. Sometimes people make a big deal out of nothing.

Well according to those same reports, after they heard about the meeting between Dusty/Jarrett, things became up-beat.

Are you calling my video games little? My N64 and PSOne will kick your ass.

Anyway, I quit watching TNA so I could care less. I am one of the most obsessive wrestling fans you can know and I quit watching TNA. I watch the replays if I feel like it, but I'd usually rather watch a Proactive Skin Care infomercial.

Their downs are enough that I barely watch anymore, and a lot of people have been turned off from the product. People they can't afford to lose.

That's a pretty BIG down. Especially for "nothing."

And being unable to pay the worlers? This isalso nothign, I presume.

LOL, A guy like Matt Hardy or Rhyno losing to anybody on TNA WOULD NOT HELP ANYONE. You really think Matt Hardy and Rhyno can establish someone? And you really think Rhyno has more name value then AJ Styles? Why cause he jobbed a billion times on Smackdown?

"After Beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would be known"

:lol: Are you watching the same Matt Hardy and Rhyno as me here?

Stay in school kids, or you'll end up like this retard.
 

No, I asked if you even watched it because your statement was incorrect. Or at least, poorly worded.

I then made a separate statement about my opinion of the state of TNA, which was unrelated. That you are digging this deep to try and prove something is truly sad. That you can't seem to grasp how poor your connection is, moreso.

Hahaha, TNA fucking sucks these days.

I used to be a big fan but the product has sucked so much. They have so many fucking problems with their roster and broadcast team, not too mention the booking/writers/creative department are fucking smoking crack.

Diamond Dallas Page, Dustin Rhodes, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Outlaw, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman should never have been signed. I'm a fan of all of them but I feel that they should only be making one shot deal appearences or matches in order to grab some casuals attentions. They should not be regulars.

Out of them, I would have only really signed one guy fulltime, and given him a bit of a push. Jeff Hardy. Now, I'm not a fan of him, but he has appeal to screaming teenage girls and half the fags on TPWW. I think using him right, you could establish a fanbase of screaming fanboys and fangirls who would have at least some efffect on the ratings.

The problem is, even booked right, you'd still need to give them a reason to stay.

That's TNA's biggest problem. Even if they could get the Rock to show up, the booking that's gone on would drive people off after a couple of weeks. The people who tant to see Hardy don't want to see him fed to Jarrett, or a long JJ title reign.

No more than the rest of us.

And the same goes for the upper card being choked with aging relics. The only people who want this are the guys looking to collect a check from it.

Hardy should've stayed in the X-Div anyway, instead of a title shot. It sets the bar too high for him, especially knowing JJ would win.

but I've gotten off topic.

For the most part, I agree with your statement. These guys shouldn't be signed. They're trying hard to pull the same coup that WCW did, but they're using people without the contemporary power. TNA blows, and I watch some of the matches, but barely remember the last show already. It's on par with Heat right now. You might see one good match, or occasionally one that BLOWS YOU AWAY, but more commonly, it's the pounce, JJ on the mic, or some aging rehab victim.

But whatever. If they want to sink themselves, who am I to complain?

Oh God, now he's trying to pull the "know it all" card on me.

Jesus fucking Christ, why are you chomping at the bit so hard to try and prove me wrong?

Cos he hates you. Oh and hes one of those internet 'tough guys'....

so who's going to lose to Jarrett?

UMMMM, I was looking at this comment right here. What I gather from this is that You seem to think TNA guys would become more known and established if they beat Matt Hardy or Rhyno. Is that not what you typed?

If it is, I still hold my other reply to your statement.

LOL, how long have you been here? A week

And about 5 other guys debated you in that other thread

What? on TV?

Actually,. knowing more than you doesn't make me a know it all.

Hell, it doesn't even prove that I'm reasonably intelligent. I don't think someone needs to know much to be more intelligent or knowledgeable than you.

Case in point...If you immediately jump to the conclusion that I must be a know it all because I'm trying to argue with you, you are assuming a huge jump.

No, that's not the way it works. IT only works when the guy who's putting you over has more credibility then you. If you think a guy like RHYNO, who was ECW Champion when the company was at it's lowest point and who has been seen on Velocty jobbing quite a few times, has more star power then AJ Styles, Monty Brown etc... then you need to go back and look at the history of wrestling.

Cast aways from the WWE coming over to TNA after being fired by WWE makes them look like 2nd rate workers. How is that helping anybody?

As an example, when Justin Credible came to the WWE after his ECW stint and pinned Scotty 2 Hotty on Raw, who by your standards was a bigger star then JC because he was in WWE and more known, did JC become more established? No. Why? Because nobody cared about Scotty 2 Hotty and he wasn't established himself.

The fact that 5 "clones" agreed with me, or the fact that we're arguing with better reasonaing than you should tell you something.

Instead, you cry conspiracy.

I love you.

Actually, all it makes me is human. Everyone argues their own opinion, dumbass.

Just want to say, me making it a point to disagree with olympic hitman has less to do with agreeing with KK and more to do with oh's statements in the "Jesus" thread.

That is all.

OMG, are you kidding me? Did you not read my post or what? I'll even quote it


Now, does Batista have more credibility then Hassan right now Sherlock? YES YES YES. So it works. I swear you get more ignorant as you type.

Nice :wtf: though :y:

AJ Styles pinning Matt Hardy, who hasn't been seen in god knows how long, has never been a draw, has never main evented, has never won the IC Title, hasn't been over in about 2 years and was just fired by the WWE, is not going to do a DAM THING for AJ.

Considering the number of people who bashed OH that "hate" me, yes. I'd say it's a no brainer to presume it's less because they want to agree with me, and more because he was being totally stupid.

Then again, Hero, BDC, and a couple of others put forth some good arguments. IF they were saying the same thing as me, it makes me feel like my own words had more meaning. After all, Hero was very reaosnable and insightful. BDC was to-the-point.

No, they argue their own opinion, the same as you argue a point.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=argue

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1. To put forth reasons for or against; debate: “It is time to stop arguing tax-rate reductions and to enact them” (Paul Craig Roberts).
2. To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend: <cite>The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.</cite>
3. To give evidence of; indicate: “Similarities cannot always be used to argue descent” (Isaac Asimov).
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v. intr.

1. To put forth reasons for or against something: <cite>argued for dismissal of the case; argued against an immediate counterattack.</cite>
2. To engage in a quarrel; dispute.

You see, genius, you can argue FOR something just as easily as against. Once again, you have tried to take a cheap shot, and come out looking like a fucking retard.

In other words...

Yes, you are.

HAH! As if BDC and Hero's use of logic and reason were any match to olympic hitman's "Smiley Face Wall of DOOOOOOOM!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No, you're point was Hardy and Rhyno would establish the TNA guys and get them over. Saying Hardy is a bigger star then AJ because Hardy worked in WWE means nothing. What if Bob Holly went to TNA and worked a feud with AJ. Would AJ get over because he pinned Holly?

Now if Brock Lesner came to TNA and AJ pinned him, then that would defintely give AJ a nice rub.

I never said it would hurt anybody's credibility pertaining to Hardy vs AJ, but it would DO NOTHING for anyone

And you completely were ignorant to my post and actually tried to argue that I thought Hassan beating Batista would do nothing for Hassan. Hence the Ignorant part :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm sure LC will point this out, but the only people who watch TNA are wrestling fans. Wrestling fans who watch the WWE. Wrestling fans who know that both Rhyno and Hardy have been glorified jobbers for much of the last few years.

They all know that AJ Styles is a much bigger star than either of them.

Don't get me wrong, Hardy is talented and he would be a good addition to their roster if they gave him a push, but he's not going to generate any mainstream interest or make the TNA guys more well known. He'll contribute; just not in that way.

Yeah, he jumps right from no selling logic to the "ignorance stunner."

OK I got lost in here. so what is the argument in the thread now? OH threw me off with some idiotic logic

Oh Boy!





Look at your own statements before saying anything. Let's get a little consistency here.




Again, are Hardy and Rhyno losing or not?




LOL, you really believe Raven got someone over? You serious? Who? Who in TNA has been drawing a crowd and has been made into a superstar because of Raven? Raven being the best wrestlers of all-time is your opinion and I would heavily disagree

This is my favorite



Batista IS ACTUALLY A DRAW and Rhyno and Hardy were never and will never be.

AJ Styles symbolizes Christian because they both wear hoods, right?

I don't even remember Rhyno beating Jericho or Rock, so you think the casual fan is going too? And the wins were probably fluke wins, especially The Rock one. OOOO, Hardy has beaten tag teams and Crusierweights. Yea, he's sure to get someone over and establish them.

You job someone as much as Hardy and Rhyno jobbed during their final days, you cut their legs out from underneath them.

Case In Point: Taz, Mike Awesome, DDP, Booker T, Kane. Just to name a few

All these guys jobbed so much, whether it be in WWF or WCW, that their putting people over value greatly dropped and now they are not seen as guys that can establish anybody anymore. These guys could of helped make people, but jobbing them countless times hurt that.

There he goes again, being ignorant.

Jumps right over my comments on the "know-it-all" nonsense, and tries to hit an ignorance stunner with "Oh, like you've never made a mistake."

Dude, you won't even admit to the myriad times you've fucked up. You seriously crack me up by pretending that the issue of me "thinking I'm perfect" is actually one that you can score points with.

It's also cute how easily offended you are. :D

Could someone explain the "WWE is cyclical" philosophy to me. Personally I don't believe it...

Dude, just let it go. People that are getting on your case are not "Kane Clones". They are saying nearly the same thing because it seems that you just don't understand what you are doing. I kept my mouth shut in the other thread, but this shit is ridiculous. Nobody here is on your case because of your views on things, they are on your case because you repeatedly contradict your own views. Saying things like...

"If Triple H is using backstage politics, I don't support that"

To which someone then replies...

"It's obvious with the direction the show has been going, and Pat Patterson even quitting over it"

And then you say...

"Well, if you watch Raw it's obvious that he does use backstage politics to keep himself the champion"


This is why everyone is on your case. Do you not see what you just did there? You say you are skeptical on whether or not he uses back stage politics, then when someone calls you on it, you immediately change your view on things by stating it's obvious that he does it, and then proceed to try and say that you never said "IF", when you clearly did. That's why we have the magical quote button.

Just because someone tries to debate with you on your stance, does not mean you have to go back and try to change or cover up what you said to start. Defend your position with an intelligent post and people will respect it, even if they still call you a dumbass.

You know, Olympic Hitman is very much like Triple H. Long, boring posts that could say the same thing in 1/5 the time. No wonder he's got such problems with the issue.

Funny, how you berate me for "long boring" posts when you have seemingly devoted a week worth of posting, several LONG DRAWN out posts, and much more effort trying to make me look dumb, when, all I was tryin to do was give my opinion on a set topic.

It was you who was hell-bent on your mission to mess with Mr "fuckwitted" Olympic Hitman, as you referred to me as :roll:. Again, unimaginary and very telling of your character as a person. You don't know me, yet, call me 'fuckwitted'. And you can't blame my posting for me being 'fuckwitted' as basically every word I type were either fact[politics part] or opinion[well-backed up by the fact that McMahon is ALSO involved with the creative process]. Meanwhile, I've NEVER called you anything. That's simply out of respect for other people's views. Which again, you don't seem to reciprocate; which is fine. Just don't expect me NOT to point it out. The only reason I even bother replying back is to prove my point; you are the one who assumed, therefore, making you wrong. Had I been wrong, I'd have admitted it; as you did own me in the "Jesus" thread :). I let my opinion cloud my factual judgement and it bit me in the ass; well-done;

However, you bit off more than you could chew with me in the TNA arguement. I've watched TNA since it began airing on Fox Sports and even before that when it only aired on $9.95-a-week PPVs. So, I knew my facts,

And on the Triple H issue, I pretty much stated factual info and merged my personal opinion with it. Whilst this came off as "contradictory" to some, it made sense as a whole. My point and view=

Triple H-------

Politician-Yes
Good champ-Yes, in his time, but it has passed and is gettin old
Completely to blame-NOPE;which again was where KK made his assumption mistake and which was his entire defense against me, which made sense in NO Way.

Damn. You're skilled. I envy your ability to insist you've never contradicted yourself, despite plenty of statements to the contrary. Your ability to ignore everything, to make things up on the spot and believe them despite the obvious lack of basis in reality is totally amazing.

If you put anything even remotely worth debating, people would debate it. But like Triple H, you've been saying the same stale thing over and over. Well, things, really, but pretty much everything you post backtracks on something else you said and trying desperately to come up with any way to retaliate.

Basically, you've cut the same promo over and over again, and there's no point in debating with you because you're too dense to get it. IT's not that the whole world is against you, it's that you make some really dumb points. You got called on them. Big deal. Grow up and get on with it. For someone who preached that I was childish, you certainly can't handle acting mature. :wtf:

Fixed it.

Stop claiming I was the one making an assumption. You put forth a statement that meant one thing, and then claimed it meant another. While it may have been a mistake, you intended to say something else, you didn't, and the mistake is yours. Either that, or you're backtracking, and the mistake is yours.

All I have to say is this:

A) Shut up you ignorant ass.

B) +1

C) +2

D) There is no E.

E) D is false.

Any argument over wrestling is an argument down the drain... unless it isn't taken serious.

I read one of your posts and that's enough, you should realize it too. All you're doing is making really long replies proving to noone any credence besides your own opinion, do something else.

I missed this earlier.

Do you mean explain it to you, or make an argument for its effectiveness? Because if you don't believe it, that sounds like you already know OF it, you just don't know WHY people buy it.

I didn't know they let HHH on the internet.

Seriouslly dude, give it up. You've painted yourself right into a corner. It's been amusing to watch you squirm but now I'm bored. Begone foul knave, lest I let loose the dogs of war and cry Wolfsbane.

Rep for people who think they know what I'm talking 'bout.

At first, I just thought you played at ebing a stoner. But that was clearly the most stoned statement I've ever read. I won't even pretend to think you know what you're talking about, except you just might think you're King Arthur.

:y:

Okay, don't post much here, I come and read to find out stuff I don't normally have access to. Well, normally shouldn't be the word. I don't come here to attempt to read a post by some IDIOT who knows shit about wrestling and constently contradicts himself and just can't give up when he's been beaten. OVER AND OVER AGAIN...So, hey I'm about to get my gun hunt down Olympic Hitman and kill his lame ass. So I don't ever have to read another one of his Lame ass Posts, again!

Watch out. You're about to become a Kane Knight Klone. ;)

Olympic Hitman :nono:

Lose Cannon, could you make him a mod?

Coz then he could finally edit everyone else so they're sayinf what he claims they're saying.