New Baseball Offseason Thread.
 

Big stuff from today (Dec. 9th):

My boy Bartolo (Colon) is now an Angel.
Everyday Eddie is a Mariner through 2006
Tim Worrell signed with the Phils.

Discuss and stuff.

Boo I wanted the Jays to get Worrell. How much did he sign for?

Sheffield apparently pissed Steinbrenner off by asking for more money and now he may not sign with the Yanks

the Jays signed Kerry Lightenberg. Ah well, he's better than what they've got now.

I was actually surprised by Eddie signing with the Mariners. I was thought the Twins would do everything they had to do to sign him since they got rid of Milton and Hawkins. And I still think Sheffield will come to the Yanks even though that jackass wants more money. Sorry

I've been hearing a tun of rumors about Nomar and A-Rod these past few days. I heard the Angels, if they got Colon and they did, would trade Washurn and Kennedy to Boston for Nomar if Boston traded Manny Ramirez for A-Rod.

boston doesn't want washburn. thay trade will not happen.

If the A-rod thing goes down I will be happy, but if it doesn't I'll be ok with that too. Manny may not be a good clubhouse guy but he's productive. and Nomar deserves better treatment then he's getting, he's done alot for us.

I really don't see why everyone wants the Red Sox to revamp their team and possibly screw up chemistry by bringing in A-Rod and such, they were pretty close last year. Keep the boys together, I say.

Yeah their pretty close EVERY YEAR arean't they. ;)

Okay, Theo.

Lightenberg was a good pickup for the Jays

Why would Eddie Guardado sign with the Mariners? Of course I am bitter that he was a crybaby and didn't resign with the team that made him (And LaTroy) but he didn't want to go to Boston because he wasn't offered the closing spot, so why would he go to a team with Hasegawa, Sasaki, Benitez, and Rhodes (For now). At least sign somewhere where you can be good. Anyway, Miz you win this one. Eddie isnt a great pitcher, but he can get the job done. Just dont make him cry like the Twins did

Also, be careful, VEL might get jealous and try to overtake this thread with one of his own...

JK VEL, good riddance

what are you talking about

wow yash actaully said something that made sense about the Red Sox

The Giants bid goodbye to eight free-agent players Sunday, including shortstop Rich Aurilia, a hot property this offseason who had been with San Francisco since 1995.
The club also declined to offer arbitration to reliever Tim Worrell, catcher Benito Santiago, pitcher Sidney Ponson, outfielders Marvin Benard and Jose Cruz Jr., first baseman Andres Galarraga and second baseman Eric Young.


WTF NO

They keep Snow and get rid of Aurilia, Cruz Jr and Worrell?

GOD DAMMIT the giants are going to suck next year :'(

5 words: Jason Schmidt and Barry Bonds.

I wish Vlad would sign with the Angels, but I guess we've already spent our big money. We need a RF too, since Salmon is getting a bit old and could benefit by being DH.

Of course, Mr. Viagra Salesman (aka Rafael Palmiero) is interested in Anaheim, and we need a 1B too, so that'd be cool.

You're a dumbass. Benitez is an FA and Rhodes wasn't offered arbitraition.

I just read that Fernando Vina signed with the Tigers. I think its a very good pickup for a team like the Tigers, who have no all-start callibar players on tier team at all right now. Vina is not the best second baseman in the world, but he is a very good addition to any team. He can put up good numbers as a leadoff or 2nd spot hitter.

You can read the full story here :http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1682929

Cubs shoulda signed Vina and let Grudzielanek go..

Another post by you, and another day of laughter...

Really, when I have a bad day, I just look for one of your posts, too bad I'm laughing at you, not with you.

ok... A-rod for Manny is a good deal. How does this hurt the chemistry? Manny is a cancer in the clubhouse and A-rod isn't.

Nomar been treated fine, you never put the player before the team. You never tell a player "He, we might trade for a SS and when we might trade you"

Heck, he turned down 15mil a year for 4 years.

Then the market tanked, so now he's putting on a media blitz to try and get his money. That's all.

Good player, yes... Better then A-rod? Never.

Manny 20mil + Nomar 10-15mil. Pays for A-rod, plus A-rod has gone to MLBPA to discuss a restructure of his contract.

Its not as much the skills of the players, because clearly A-Rod is a better player than Nomar, and the Red Sox would benefit by making these moves. Its the fact that the people of Boston will shit bricks if Nomar is traded.

Yeah your very right. I'm a Yankees fan, but if I were a Red Sox fan :lol: , I would be really pissed if they traded Nomar. Nomar is the leader, captain, and pride of the Red Sox IMO, and he's one of those guys I can't see on any other team other then Boston. Its like Jeter with the Yankees. I could never see him playing for another team and If he were to get traded I would be shocked and furious.

Actually, most the fans are more then happy to make this move.

While nomar has done some good charity work, he's always been viewed as someone who doesn't really enjoy it here and can't handle the pressure. He hides from the press, he chokes in the big games.

That all being said, most people seem to be fine with the idea, especially where it means moving Manny.

Especially now, the only time Nomar has ever "reached out" was a clearly BS PR move, calling into a local Radio Station. Plus his agent tried using the press and they both got bitch-slapped by John Henry.

Nomar and agent "Waaaahh... no one talks to us, no one tells us what's going on, they don't want' us here"

Henry "Well, we offered him 60million over 4 years and he turned it down, so we need to explore other options"

and Nomars call was such crap, he kept saying how he didn't know where people go the idea he didn't want to be here, yet never said he did. He was asked questions like "If the Sox get A-rod, would you be willing to try 2nd or 3rd" and he dodged the question "I can't really speak on that, since the Red Sox haven't told me what's going on"

anyway, I've always been a Nomar fan... but he's looking like a real ass like now. If it's all because of his agent he should fire him. Turning down 4 years at 15mil a year in Spring Training was stupid, everyone saw a market correction coming.

Nomar is the man.

:y:

Jays are looking at Ponson. Come on Jays..

I don't know about Ponson. I think he was just a one year wonder if you ask me. But Baltimore seems to be building a nice little team up there and I'm convinced thier going to sign Guerrero or even Pudge, so I don't know if they should let Ponson go just yet. But the Blue Jays could use a decent arm, so he would be a nice addition to follow Mr. Cy Young, Roy Halladay.

They let Ponson go when they traded him to the Giants

Yeah sorry, I just went to check cause I thought he was traded from San Fran to Baltimore, but it was the other way around. I don't know what I was thinking. But yeah I think he would fit better on the Jays then the Giants right now.

I feel bad for Baltimore. Its shitty, especially this year, cause they will probably get Vlad and/or maybe Pudge or Javi and spend some money, but they really have no chance of getting into the playoffs.

Anyway, there is a very slim chance that the Twins might sign Urbina. His agents contacted them right after word that Eddie went to Seattle came out. I doubt that will go anywhere though, he may fit in will with the team but his salary is a bit high for the Twins.

There was also some talk of looking into Mike Williams, but I doubt that too. He just wasn't really good on Philly last year. I dont know, at least the papers label it slim.

The Twins closer is totally up in the air. We have Nathan who is most likely, then JC Romero, and then there is a prospect who could be called up. He is supposed to still have a year down in the minors though, that'd suck to rush him.

Why do you think this?

Also, :lol: @ Sheffield wanting more money.

I figured ole George would have forked over the money like he always does. But word is now that they made a call to Vlad's agent. :eek:

Yeah, I hope Sheff does the deal, I'd rather see Sheff there then Vlad. (I say this being a Sox fan) :)

I think the Tigers can win 40 games next year. :shifty: :rofl:

:lol:

Isn't there talk of the Tigers going after Tejada?

yeah, but Tejada doesn't want to go there anyways. haha but they're offering him some money to go there or soemthign though.

The Tigers should worry about pitching before going after someone like Tejada. I mean I unserstand they want a franchise player on thier team, but if one of your best pitchers is Nate Cornejo, you have a problem.

sounds like Tejada might end up on the Red Sox if the deal with A-Rod doesn't go through.

Nomar may be too pissed to want to stay. :meh:

Nomar turned down 15mil a year... Nomar is under contract for next season, he doesn't have much of a say in it.

I think Detroit figures Tejada will put some butts in the seats, I thought I heard Seattle offered Tejada around 8-9mil/year. Last I heard Detroit is willing to top anyone, the question is does he want money or money and a chance to win a championship.

If Tejada gets say 10mil a year, Nomar won't get no 15mil.

The Giants got rid of Ponson after they realized that he did not fit with the Giants.

He was pretty bad, and I think he would only be decent in the AL.

....Ponson came from the AL.

And Sheffield commented on the situation last night at the Florida - MD game (LOL at florida getting ****ed)

he said there was just a bump in the road and he is pumped about playing for the Yankees.

He was with Darryl Strawberry watching Darryl's son, DJ. pretty good ballplayer. :y:

The reports from ESPN was Sheffield did his own contract, then read it over and realised when all was said/done he'd only be getting like 8-9mil a year.

I think the questions are around interest on deferred money.

:mad: :nono:

It was so funny when the crowd was going "Darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyylllllllllle darrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyylllllleeeeeeeeee" whenever DJ got into the game.

I heard there was some talk of Florida being interested in Vlad? That would be cool but I don't think its very credible.

As for my comment up there about Baltimore, I just think it kind of sucks for them because they got a bunch of money to spend right at the time when Boston and New York do too. So adding a few good players to Baltimore now still would be almost impossible to beat both New York and Boston, or even one of them. If they can start winning again it will help them a lot, but this is going to be like the hardest year in a while to win the AL East. And especially with Boston the Wildcard would be hard too. Anyway, go Orioles!

yeah that was crazy.

Did you see his dunk? SICKKKK

Everyone thinks Vlad ends up in Baltimore, and Baltimore gets a good price for a great player. They have money to spend and the big spenders NY and Bos, won't be going after him.

A-Rod says theres a lot of smoke but no fire. He thinks he'll be in Texas.

I'd expect him to say that, he's a smart player and knows if he doesn't get delt, he can't piss of the Texas fans, because it kills his endorsment value.

He knows he has a better chance to win and make more money on endorsements, in Boston.

That being said, there's talk that the Dodgers are going after Nomar and if the Sox don't get A-rod, they will still deal Nomar (keep Manny) and go after Tejada.

jays sign Miguel Batista! They may give the yanks and sox a run. (yeah right) but it's nice to dream.

Batista isn't a bad pick up but I think that they set their hopes a bit too high on him. Ricardi was on the score today and figured he'd be their number 2 guy, feels like they're asking quite of him

Peter Gammons is reporting the Sox have signed Keith Foulke.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOULKE

*orgasm*

Anyone read the trade rumor (which was disputed heavily by Phillies GM Ed Wade...) between The Rangers, Red Sox, and Phillies.

Rangers would get: Manny Ramirez (BOS) and Jimmy Rollins (PHI)
Red Sox would get: Alex Rodrigeuz (TEX) and Bobby Abreu (PHI)
Phillies would get: Nomar Garciaparra (BOS) and Trot Nixon (BOS)

Interesting trade. Phillies upgrade at SS but I'm not sure on Trot's defense. I do know that Bobby Abreu dogs it in the field sometimes. The trade would also the Phillies more of a righthanded hitting team, Rollins is a switch and Abreu is left but so is Trot. I think that Red Sox would come away with a steal if they got both Abreu and A-Rod. Thats intense.

Buts it not going to happen.


By The Way.... Tim Worrell signed 2 Year, $6Million Contract. Someone wanted to know his contract numbers

The Orioles will sign Guerrero and either Pudge or Javy Lopez. If the Marlins couldn't sign Pudge what makes them believe they can get Vlad?

Nah I doubt they will trade Foulke. He's really clutch and a big part of the clubhouse, plus he's homegrown.

*Trot

still excited about Keithy :o

Ok now I'm starting to get a little worried. Poor A's they lose the best closer in 2002 the next year and the best closer in 2003 the next year. WTF is that.

Well the Yankees will just counter with something again.

Yeah I'm almost convinced Vlad's going to Baltimore and Tejada's going to Seattle.

Foulke is no Billy Wagner. Believe that!

The Phillies still suck. Believe that!

i feel so bad for my jays. in any another division that'd be contenders for the pennant, but they have to compete with the yanks and sox

They'd spend more on Vlad then Pudge. A lot of people question his value, 10yr is a long life for a catcher, after that they look to 1st or DH, and I'm not sure Pudge as a Hitter is worth 10mil a year, especially in this market.

Foulkeeeeeeeeeee

Timlin and Williamson coming out of the pen to set up :eek:

I dunno....If the Sox can't get A-Rod I don't think they should be moving around Nomar or Manny. Even if they DO get A-Rod..why don't they just keep Nomar one more year and move him to 3rd, and Mueller to 2nd? That'd be a ridiculous line up.

Sure they have to "look" to the future but fu</>ck that, do the what the Marlins did a few years ago and just break the bank for one season and win the World Series.

Anddd I still do not understand why they put Manny on waivers earlier this year :wtf:

Holy shit, Boston is going to win the Series next season.

They can't NOT win it with their new roster.

Apparently the Tigers signed someone today (didn't catch a name) and the ESPN guys were joking around, "They're going all the way." I hope they do go all the way to make Van Pelt or whatever the hell his name is look dumb.

I doubt anyone on the tigers has even gone all the way with their wifes.

Tramell went all the way in 1984.

Williamson may get delt, theres also a rumor he wants a shot at the #5 spot.

I doube Nomar will stay, they don't want another Clemens/Vaughn where a top player walks and they get nothing.

I'd expect to still see him delt and them go after Tejada, unless Nomar changes his demands "money". Last report was he turned down the 4x15mil cause he wants 4x17mil.

Now, I think the sox have 4x12mil on the table.

Breaking News Tejada signs with the Orioles 6 year 54 mill.

Wow, didn't see that one coming. Thats a HUGE HUGE pickup for the up and coming O'S. They need a solid starter though if they ever are going to make a push.

they're gonna need Vlad Tejada AND Pudge before they even thing about making it out of the AL East alive

the Dodgers got Juan Encarnation from the Marlins. also, Mike Cameron signed w/ the mets

and in a smaller deal, a 3 way, the Jays get Justin Spier, Rockies get Joe Kennedy, and D-rays get mark hendrickson.

I dont know if this has been up there yet but the Mets got Mike Cameron

Any talk of the Twins getting Urbina is on hold unless they move Jacque Jones. He would likely go to the Padre's for someone like Peavy. Personally I would rather have Jacque.

Also, who did the A's lose after 2002? I cant remember correctly, but if you are referring to Billy Koch I will kill you.

(And if you had the wrong date, Jason Isringhausen is barely the best closer in the league)

yeah he must have been talkiing about koch

koch lol

Stupid Dodgers haven't done crap. They shoulda gone after Tejada, damn idiots.

Koch was the best closer in 2002. He had like 40+ saves and won the relief award. Granted he sucked in 2003, but all I WAS saying was he was the best in 2002.

well third place should have somewhat of a race with Baltimore and Toronto now.

yeah, the A's are I think the only team in history to have 3 different guys save 40games 3 years in a row.

Talk is the O's are going to sign Vlad and may even go after Pudge or another catcher.

If the O's make those moves, it wouldn't shock me if they gave the Sox/Yanks a run.

the jays traded Mark Hendrickson for Justin Spier. Another great move by the jays. I hated Hendrickson, and Sprier could be a closer. I'm very impressed with my Jays. And I'm not easily impressed...........WOW! A BLUE CAR!

Naw, until the O'S get a solid #1 starter, their not going anywhere. Hitting only gets you so far, but pitching wins it all. They have three great young arms in Moss, Lopez, and Johnson, but I don't see them going anywhere with just those three.

Matt Riley is gonna be a good one too.

Marlins wanting Javy. :(

It looks like the a-rod thing is going down right now

I heard it on ESPNews, they said a 3 way deal that would send A-rod to Boston, Manny to Texas, and Nomar to the Dodgers might be completed within 24 or 72 hours.

don't forget Kurt Ainsworth there guy.

he won't be ready for at least another year though. IMO they should wait until next season to put him into the rotation

They've been saying that for like a month, they just need to do it already.

yeah but they're all together right now and it's coming so close that the rangers have todd walker on speed dial ready to sign so they can move Michael Young to SS and walker will play 2nd when A-rod leaves.

or so Peter Gammons says, but he's pretty good/accurate.

Yeah Ainsworth will be good, but in do time.

As for the O's, if they have the hitting and the arms they have, they could give the sox/yanks a run... don't see them in 1st, but a wild card wouldn't shock me, this assumes they get Vlad and Pudge.

As for A-rod, the current "Rumor" is The sox send Williamson for a player (sorry, I forgot who/where) and then send that player and Many to the Rangers, rather then picking up part of Many's contract.

They would then deal Nomar to the Dodgers.

I haven't heard of a "3-way" involving Texas, Boston & LA, the LA and Texas deals are seperate.

But whatever, just get it done.

OK alot happened today:

the Cardinals signed OF Reggie Sanders and P Jeff Suppan (yesssss) to 2 year deals

Roberto Hernandez signed with the Phillies

oh the Mariners traded jeff colbrun to the D-backs for Quinton McCracken

and some other stuff happened but I'll post it when I remember

oh, the Mariners signed Scott Spiezio to 3 years

Dimondbacks also signed Brent Mayne from the Royals.

Gammons is also a Red Sox fan lol

yeah, Gammons is reporting it's a 3way, sox, dodgers, rangers...

Really wondering who makes it a 3way...

I always give Gammon a lot of credit, but he's the same guy who swore all over the world a month ago Manny for A-rod will never happen and there were never any talks.

Gammons is tha shit

I hope is all this hoopla, the Jays sign Ponson

Omar Vizquel to the Mariners for Cirillo.

If Vizquel can stay healthy on his new knee I think he will be a good addition to the Mariners. With Omar and Boone up the middle that could be good, but if he gets injured that'd suck for Seattle.

The A's have added to thier golden pitching staff by trading for Mark Redman.

Hudson
Zito
Mulder
Redman
Harden

WOW :yes: