Is Gwen Stafani the most respected female artist in popular music?
 

I was thinking about it today, and I don't know if there is any other female who has the same respect as her, especially among men. Most guys think she is real hot, but she's not in a fake way like Britney Spears, and then she makes music that people like and respect more then just pop music.

I tried to word the title as precise as I could, because I know some smart ass would come in and get pissed at everybody because there is a cello player somewhere that we should respect more. Anyway, do you agree, if now who is more respected?

She is absolutely fucking terrible now.
Her music sucks, she can't "hop hop dance" as such and, she looks shit and out of place in her videos. She ruined her image.

Bring on the Breast Implants.

this shit is bananas

B-A-N-A-N-A-S

You did it wrong :nono:

i'd like to give it 2 her up the poopshoot

Gotta go with samichna here.

I hope not. She's utter shit.

Wait, are we still talking about anal sex?

Yeah. Loose as Hell.

Her solo stuff is awful, anyone who likes is retreated

Gwen Stefani and No Doubt have sucked major ass for years. Granted, they weren't always like that, back in the day when they were actually ska, they were not bad at it.

Now they really suck. And Hollaback Girl is one of the worst songs I have ever heard.

she's horrendous. and she's gimmicky now. The first time the Harajuku girls were in one of her video's i was like " o.k something different" now, it's like "wtf are they still doing here"

Hollaback girl is pretty much the only song that i'll stop dancing to at a club.

and btw, Aguilera OWNS Stefani.

and btw, she is NOT hott by any means.

35 year old has-been singing pseudo pop-rap trying to pretend she's 18 again in high school.

I hope to fucking god she isn't the most "respected" in anyone's eyes.

How so? Not disagreeing with you or anything but I was just wondering why you thought that.

Bigdaddysuperfreak disagrees with me based on the rep "r u serious?", but doesn't post anything in the thread? Hmmph.

I don't think she is that great really, her solo stuff is definately pop, but in the world of pop music, I think she gets more respect then any other female artist.

A lot of people disagree with me, but based on the responses I think you are just saying that you don't like her, because I'm not seeing alterates for who it would be.

Exactly.

Sad thing is, she probably IS the most respected woman in pop music.

Naw. I take that back, it probably goes to one of the country corssovers, like Twain.

But still, it's a scary proposition that someone this horrible counts as "most respected."

Does he really need to reply with a response? I mean, there's not much to discuss here.

I'm still wondering where this "more respect" bit comes from. What really do you have to go by? I mean, not to say that you're wrong, but on what grounds to you proclaim this? You're asking people to explain why she's not the msot respected when you haven't really explained why she is. Who is she respected by? Is she a musician's musician, over with the critics, or in the fandom she gets a lot of respect?

Well what I am trying to say is just that she gets a lot of respect from people as a musician. Like during an awards show, especially with the type of people who post on a site like this, if say Pink came on stage, I would expect a lot more griping then if No Doubt did. Really No Doubt turned into more of a pop-punk type band, but they are still more respected then like Simple Plan. And then for Gwen individually, she is looked at more as a positive role model then other pop stars, and she is regarded more as a real person it seems then like Britney or Christina, and she I don't hear people questioning her real musical ability like other pop stars, it seems like a given that she is a better singer/musician whatever then somebody like Britney. I dunno, its kind of hard to explain, but I don't understand why people are getting upset about the notion. Who is more respected, the bass player from Coal Chamber?

And its stupid to give me a neg rep on this post saying "r u serious?" when it is really a legit claim, I'm sure many people agree with it, and I never tried to make her out to be some sweet person, I just said what I know about her and asked if there was somebody more widely accepted as a musician in the popular music genre.

I am also aware that the general tone of TPWW is to automatically go against what is said

Actually, Pink is probably more respected. I know she is among musicians.

Other women with a lot of respect in the music industry itself: Avril Lavigne (*shudders* I don't know why), Shania Twain (Yes, she's a pop musician), Alicia Keyes (From both a sales and a musicians standpoint)...Kay Hanley...

So you know, whatever. We're just doing it to be contrary and not because we have no respect for her crap.

I think Justin Hawkins is a more respected female than Gwen Stefani.

I don't think Gwen is respected at all. She has a sell-out image. KK is right with Pink though, I'd put her on top.

I put Missy Elliot on top of the list

She's got a ton of respect, that's for sure.

I could argue that I don't think it's totally merited, but that's another story entirely.

Better singer.

How do you quantify respect in this instance?

There is no widespread respect for artists like Gwen Stefani. Respect is earned through talent, longevity and the amount of influence over fellow musicians. I don't see what Stefani has going for her. She was in a one-hit wonder rock band who were always shit, and now she's churning out disposable pop music.

I think the use of "respect" is incorrect. She may be one of the most "powerful" women in music from an economic standpoint and branding.

You can't tell me if both Gwen and Tina Turner walked into a room full of musicians that Gwen would be treated better than Tina are you?

^^ Exactly what I was thinking. This thread made me laugh at first, then i realised it was serious, and my reaction turned to'wtf? I have never heard anyone talk of respect for gwen stefani'..this is coming after her latest bullshit of a single aswell.With songs like that, she loses my respect. The only thing i respect her for is how hot she is.

My reply was to ECG, btw.

You obviously don't know much about the American pop culture industry. Maybe you don't respect her as an artist, but really you don't matter in this and you aren't the people we are talking about. If you look at the way she is treated through the media here you would know what I mean by her getting more respect as a musician and person then other pop stars.

The reason she was able to move on from her real band to making these singles (that despite the tone on this site actually have been taken in very well by the general public) is because of what she built up as the singer for No Doubt.

Also

1. No Doubt is not a one hit wonder

2. No Doubt has been around for at least a decade

We aren't talking about Tina Turner, we are talking about people in the American pop culture today.


It seems like everybody besides Kane Knight is failing to understand this. Whether or not you like her, or think the music she made is absolute shit, she has a tremendous amount of respect in the American pop culture. Look at the features they put out on her, everything makes her out to be a much more respected musician and respected personality then Britney Spears.

And for the 99% of the people who keep strongly disagreeing that she has any respect among the American public, tell me who has more?

Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore? The whole point of this thread is that people like that aren't treated in the same way that Steffani is.

I don't give a fuck about the American pop culture industry. There is no respect for disposable pop artists. The pop industry media respect whoever the fuck is spending the most money on marketing at that point in time to garner that kind of attention. You obviously don't understand how it works, if you think that is real respect for artistry.

If you want to see how a pop artist can fall from grace, look at Mariah Carey. One of the biggest pop stars in the world, now a living joke.

Gwen Stefani is pushing a new solo album and career, including guest appearances on her shitty pop songs. It's a cynical marketing drive, having cast off her only links to credibility in the form of her old, one-hit wonder rock band.

I also don't care how long No Doubt were around for. They were fucking terrible, and they had one big hit in Don't Speak that they could never live up to again.

Respect is utterly the wrong word to be using.

^ I still honestly don't know where your coming from, well actually i do. If artists like her can get that much respect from making such worthless songs, and not really having any great success besides the average band No Doubt,then respect means nothing in the music world of today.IMO.

Damnit, once again someone posted before me, will correct it in a sec.

She is the best of the plastic Diva brands because she has a shred of credibility where the others have none and have to totally rely on gimmicks and theatrics. I guess there may be some truth to the matter.

I thought you meant with her fellow artists. Then no way in hell.

I still honestly don't know where your coming from, well actually i do. If artists like her can get that much respect from making such worthless songs, and not really having any great success besides the average band No Doubt,then respect means nothing in the music world of today.IMO.

So with that post you've pretty much made your point that you have no knowledge of the subject, no interest in the subject, and no reason to be posting in this thread.


Last time I checked Mariah Carey was #2 on the Billboard charts this week after being #1 last week


You don't seem to understand, I'm not talking about if you respect her, I am talking about the widespread population which, believe it or not, is not represented at all in these boards. The media loves her and the people love her, ECG thinks she is utter shit! OMG NO!

You aren't understanding at all. I am not saying that No Doubt gets more respect then the Beatles, I am saying that No Doubt gets more respect then Britney Spears. You are merging everything together when I am specifically talking about the pop-culture.

btw i believe Alicia Keys is WAY more respected than Gwen Stefani.

Alicia is alot stronger live than Gwen.christ. She sounds exactly like her cd( which is amazing btw, pick it up)

'The media love her, and the people love her'..there is a reason for the people loving her then, media manipulation, making us think something's good when it isn't. The media does that alot you know..

Like MTV for example.

Thats all I am looking for right there

I know what your talking about. But you have to understand, the respect for her isn't real is what i'm trying to say, it's media manipulated. People think she deserves respect, but the truth is she doesn't.

I know what you're talking about, you stupid faggot. It's not respect, it's trendiness, it's flavour of the month-ism.

You're not getting it: you've fucked up the idea of respect and mixed it up with credibility. Gwen Stefani is a more credible artist than Britney Spears, simply because she has a long rock background behind her bubble-gum pop career.

I understand what you are talking about, you're the one who doesn't. There is NO RESPECT in mainstream pop culture. It's a predatory, trend-driven mire of shit, with the media ready to tear apart and gloat over the destruction of artists as quickly as they will build them up.

Mariah Carey is an example, because after every re-invention, the media are more interested in how far she'll flop next, so they can gloat about it.

You're making this a personal thing by saying it's down to me. I'm merely disagreeing with you and you're refusing to argue perfectly salient points by dismissing the argument, despite me showing more understanding of the modern pop market than you have displayed here.

Gwen is female?

Bigdaddysuperfreak-Your stupid if you can't see that.Your comment was retarded.

ummmmm ok r u serious?

Not really. But i neg repped you for fun cos it was a retarded joke. :yes:

Yah back at ya

Btw- notice my comment 'stop trying to be funny'? when i neg repped you? That implies that i noticed it was sarcastic. Just pointing that out to you since your neg rep said i didn't ...oh and because i'm bored.

You're bored so you decided to make yourself look stupid? Well at least you reached you goal

ECG that is all you needed to say from the start, credibility instead of respect, because that opinion makes sense to me and I can agree with it too. I just wouldn't say that they are all that different in this scenario, unless you are taking respect to some bizarre level.

In case you can't tell, the people who post here do not represent the mainstream public opinion. Just about everybody, including yourself, has been making bitchy personal responses acting like you are the mainstream public opinion and because you don't like her she automatically doesn't get more respect from the media and the audiences for that kind of music. You stating that pop-culture is based on trends doesn't make you Einstien.

I will say you never see any negative press on her, but that might just be that she is boring.

She get's a lot of positive press though, which kind of contradicts that

I don't see how I am making myself look stupid by showing up your retarded comment on Gwen, now anyway...


**gets back on topic**

BCWWF- You are not understanding what everyone else is saying. All you are going to say back at them is the opposite it seems, and that is' she is respected so shut up you asshole'.(ok, thats abit exaggerated)

What we are syaing is she is not really respected, more like built up in the media. But that only lasts for a period of time, and that's why it isn't real respect and why i think this thread is nothing more than a reaction to what MTV have been saying.

Wwll, part of that is that critics and the like are pressed to come up with POSITIVE reviews. Most of the press you'll see is from sources that are pressured, or sources within the business. She'd have to pull a Jacko before she really got any negative press. It's somewhat in the lines of what Moona...Errrr...Cappy ranted about in his shots at the pop industry (Generic and safe though they may be).

Musicians are hot or they're not, and if you don't push what's hot as part of the media, you can find yourself without a job fast.

Now the real question is whether or not she has staying power because of No Doubt, or if she dies like most pop acts.

Thats not the case though, like I said she has been around forever, and been big forever.

ECG hit the nail on the head when he used the word credibility, and I think that respect and credibility go hand in hand with each other in this instance. If Gwen Stefani wasn't a respected woman, she wouldn't be having the kind of success she has had, and she wouldn't have had the opportunity to release these subpar singles.

I'm guessing she'll die off soon enough. She's doing her best to do so.

Yes, credibility is different than respect. Credibility would relate to Gwen Stefani's artistic integrity: is she an artist because of the art or because she is a marketing brand tool? Britney Spears is little more than a vehicle for advertising and a record company cash cow.

The idea of respect has become so twisted and mishapen by people today. Respect includes reverance, someone must be revered to be respected.

Any reverance in the pop media is false and temporary, and based on who has an album or a product to push.

Madonna is probably the most respected female in the pop industry. She's went through countless re-inventions, scandals, flops etc. yet she is still there at the top and is pop royalty at this point.

You are a huge fucking idiot. Seriously, you must have been slapped with a brick when you were a kid.

I wasn't ranting at the pop industry, though. I was ranting at the pop industry BCWWF is talking about, the celebrity mag Paparazzi-driven gossip industry.

Most of the music I listen to is unashamedly pop music, unashamedly mainstream. I have no problem with it. So put your dick away and stop trying to out-cynic me.

Dont you think the media would try to find dirt on her since it would sell more copies?

popularity and respect are two different things

Britney Spears sells more albums than Kristy Thirsk. Would anyone who has heard both of them claim Britney was the better singer, or the more respected?

regarding stefani in particular: making Topol spin in his grave by massacring a tune from Fiddler On The Roof does not make you "respected"

no it makes you throw up

ECG, are you saying:

1 Pop stars are not capable of being respected

2 Nobody respects any pop stars

3 Gwen Stefani isn't respected by anybody

4 Something else

What I am getting from your explanations is that pop stars shouldn't be respected because they don't deserve it, and if thats the case then thats your personal opinion, but there are obviously a lot of people in the world that respect Gwen Stefani and what she does. Whether or not you believe she deserves it or not has nothing to do with it.

I didn't say any of that, which backs up my assertion that you are a fucking moron.

not all pop stars arent respected, just the crappy ones.

Why don't you back up what you're trying to say. You write a page about how respect doesn't exist in the pop industry, but then you won't back it up? Its kind of funny the holes you dig for yourself when you argue just out of spite

me?

No, nobody has been talking to you since you and Thug Life had a scuffle at the top of the page.

But while you are here,

So I take that to mean that you think Gwen is "crappy", who are the other pop stars that are respected then?

I'm not digging any holes. You've continually shifted the goalposts to suit your argument.

Your view of the pop industry is exceedingly narrow, as you referred to me as someone who isn't a fan of mainstream pop acts. How you came to this conclusion, you should probably explain to me.

In the context of your argument on what constitutes a mainstream pop act, then no, there is no respect to be had for those people. They are disposable and their popularity is market-driven. If you're specifically talking about music directed and marketed towards teenage girls, there is no respect for those people as artists.

You back up what you are trying to say. All I see is dismissal.

I think Justin Timbalake is respected, as well as usher. Im not sure if Alicia Keyes is really pop as she is R+B, but shes respected. Basically anyone that doesnt act like a whore. Im not really to sure since I dont listen to pop music.

As for thuglife, who cares?

Btw, it seems that i have lost a post, or didn't post it at all. What it was meant to say was:

BCWWF- Earlier you agreed that there is a difference between credibility and respect. We even explained what the difference was, and yet you still believe she has that much respect? Get real. It is just MTV getting into your head.Stop watching that channel, now.

I wonder what happened to my lost post.

Can't add anything decent to the conversation, so you go on a pointless attack.Smart move. :y:

Neg reps are coming your way soon enough. :yes:

Sheryl Crow

It works for Kane Knight, and it wasnt personal I just dont care

I agree with you that both Justin Timberlake and Usher are pretty respected people and entertainers, and that is part of the reason that I am finding it so weird that this thread has turned into an attack on Gwen Stefani. From the image I get of her she is on the same level as people like Justin and Usher, and like I have said throughout the thread I think that mainstream america obviously agrees.

hahahaha word....but they will still take the grammys home and dominate trl(does anyone still watch that )

I'm not trying to. You can be the mopingest bitch on the planet for all I care. Your random pre-fab rants about safe music industry topics are cute, but nothing I have any interest in emulating. I have enough reasons to argue about pop music without resorting to clichéd, semi-accurate pissing and moaning over the nature of respect in terms of pop music.

From reading the rest of this thread, BCWWF is acting like a 14 year old girl.

As for the debate. Gwen Stefani was a part of quite a big band as far as being world recognised and popularity are concerned. The older, more hardcore fans of No Doubt I'm guessing are in favour that she's been transformed into a pop barbie doll, so as far as respect goes with them, I would say it's not great.

BCWWF is trying to say that "she is the most respected woman in the popular music industry, but the popular music industry only plays music for a certain population." The popular music industry is trying to focus its material to the biggest population possible though, since the music is constantly played on MTV and radio. So saying that some people can't have an opinion on the American "Pop Culture" just because they seem to be in favour of other music is a load of crap, because we all see and hear it at some point or another, and we have a right to critique it.

The pop industry includes people like Eminem, Alicia Keys, Usher and such, even though they are not pop per-say.

Personally I love No Doubt and I thought 'What are you waiting for' was an awesome pop song.

Gewn Stefani is less musically talented than Usher or Justin. Gwen was the least talented member of No Doubt, unless you count being cute as a talent.

Since going solo, her work has had the musical value of half a lindsey lohan album. The stuff with the japanese girls is just sad and weird.

Randy Millholland summed up my feelings about her new "image" in this comic strip

http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp04272005.shtml

:y:

One could agrue that Mariah Carey was most "respected" by popular culture when she was married to a Sony Music Executive. It may be a terrible coincidence, but one has to wonder whether all the media hype for the masses is being bought off by music executives.

How many times do we see a great movie review for a film that utterly stinks? People buy into it. You can't tell me that some of those movie critics are not on the take.

They're not random if they pertain to the topic, which is how BCWWF finds Gwen Stefani to be the most respected artist in the narrow confines of his view of the pop world.

I'm not moaning about anything, I pay little heed to that type of music and it doesn't bother me, I merely commented on the nature of the attention and critical focus of the tabloid media on such artists as those BCWWF has been mentioning.

I wouldn't be saying this if you hadn't taken it upon yourself to make a fairly needless and ridiculous personal aside towards me. It's like you feel you need to do it every so often to give yourself a little boost. Invent an arguement that doesn't exist, in other words.

No Doubt hasn't been even remotely listenable since 1992.

You call "Hollaback girl" some sort of display of musical talent? Holy...shit.

what jokes

Without reading anything but the topic title, No.

Madonna

Also Alicia Keys anyone?

I would say Stevie Nicks but I don't want her name to be mentioned with Gwen Stafani (sic).

When I compiled a list, I went for contemporary acts. I considered Madonna, but in terms of pop culture, she's more a joke than ever before. She's one lawsuit away from tying Michael Jackson.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/arc...30_170444m.jpg

Hmmm, no. And her music sucks also.

I blame all of you for getting that Hollaback Girl thing stuck in my head now. Thanks a lot. XD

As far as being respected: not really. Hyped to HELL and back: DEFNITLY!!

I'm wondering when bands like NOFX and Anti-Flag will get some respect.

Joss Stone is the only female artist who comes to mind and has virtually no critisism against her from anyone.

She is far more respected than Gwen. She is not only the only pop star, but the only pop star of the last 5 year and the only femalepop star of the last 5 years to make it into nearly all of my friends CD collections.

Brody Dalle is the most credible pop star in my eyes, i push alot into the pop pursuasion these days because sugar coat it all you want, you have to hear music from somewhere to like it, and it is usuallya mass media source such as radio, tv or cd. If you are popular, you are a pop star.

I don't believe that there is ever a right and wrong in a musical argument. If the songs are bad, people don't listen to them. You may not personally choose to listen to something, but you can't sit and devalue its credits, for instance, Whatcha Waiting For has a catchy hook and shows off Gwens vocal talents, which I believe she has. May not be straight forward sing to the melody stuff, but takes talent.

I personally think the listed bands which most of you posters time after time rave about, are not good to listen to, and you have all learned to have the same opinion and in many ways trained yourselves to like them, because I don't like them, doesn't mean I dont think they are talented, its just my taste.


All in all, Im saying that Gwen isn't shit, you people just don't like her.

Everyone looks into music too much. Fact is people such as queen, beatles, bowie, are doing exactly the same thing as robbie williams, justin and the backstreet boys. You are all gonna slam me but all these people everyone has grown up on were justthe most popular of the time, in the same way the icons were.


Rant over. Everyone start to hear the merit in everything they hear, don't hate, apreciate.

that banana song sucks.