I want everyone to remember something....
 

..no matter what happens over the next few weeks, no matter how many times he cuts a promo which seems even the tiniest bit entertaining, no matte rhow much heat he starts to get (even though he spent months getting zero rection form the crowd), no matter if this feud pays off with a match that is halfway decent (mainly because he'll get carried like his life depends on it )....

no matter what....

Chris Masters still sucks.

I've liked the guy from day one. (im just asking to catch shit)

Agreed!

Have I given rep to you yet? I should.

I don't despise Chris Masters, but they have done absolutely nothing with him since he debuted. They seem high on the guy, though, so it should be interesting to see where this goes.

Masters does indeed still suck. He just doesn't really impress me too much.

Truer words have never been said.

I'll just watch HBK and tape a picture of Bret Hart on the TV over where Master's head will prolly be.

Actually, that'd be pretty entertaining.

Masters = Lex Luger 2?

The Torture Rack > The Masterlock

I don't care if Masters ripped of his "roid suit" and revealed himself to be a 100% healthy Bret Hart... he will ALWAYS suck.

Now that would = ratings

Maybe HBK will break the masterlock finally. Either that, or someone unexpected comes in for the save, be it HHH, Hogan, or Bret even.

Welcome to TPWW. Don't be a fucking dick with the Owen jokes asshole.

No matter how bad the joke is, it would still bring in good ratings.

oh and :wave:

:nono:

It would

There are no ratings for a dead man. So just cut it out already. Just bash Masters.

good plan

Not to be a dick, but I have to disagree... I think if someone everyone thought was dead for years showed up on live tv, the ratings would be huge.

To this day Owen is still a better wrestler then half of the WWE roster.

Like everytime Jake Roberts makes an appearence somwhere.

I like how the WWE clearly has no faith in him as he hasn't got one appearance on a PPV.

Masters is nothing special. He's supposed to have a million dollar body yet guys on the next segment have as good a body as him

I dont hate the guy....but I dont really care for him either. He hasnt done much to impress me...besides breaking Richards nose...but that pissed me off more than making me impressed

the guy is a terrible promo. He has this goofy voice that makes him sound like a retard. Like some muscle bound retard from the gym.

You guys are pretty ridiculous, really. That promo with Masters and HBK last night was fairly excellent, and you can't say that it was ALL Shawn Michaels. Masters held his own in there, and honestly, he's never really been awful on the stick.

His character is a meathead hot shot who thinks he's the shit, though he's really proven nothing. I think it's a GREAT heel character, and I think he plays it well.

You guys almost criticize so much sometimes that it hinders your enjoyment of the product.

More or less the problem.

"Derrrrr...I am the Masterpiece. I is errrr....Good-er than you is. Guuuuhhh...Watch me pose like a retarded shaved ape!"

Like Eddie can pull a 5 star match out of a bowl of pudding, Michaels can pull a 5 star promo out of primordial ooze.

In other words:

"you can't say that it was ALL Shawn Michaels."

It was ALL Shawn Michaels. Michaels could have been in the ring with any dumbass, poked fun at him, and it would have been GOLD.

I'm sorry you're such a fanboy, but honestly, Michaels pulled it off. Masters did not.

If he's such a great heel character then why is it that he's been getting nothing but looks of boredom for weeks one end. The fans don't even boo, they just get up and take a piss break during his segments.

He was hand delivered one of the easiest heel gimmicks in all of wreslting: arrogant bully. He did nothing with it.

He was picking nobodies out of the audience and beating them up, and he was still getting no reaction.

He was taking potshots at whatever city Raw was being held in - again, easy heat - and still, nothing.

He has no promo skills whatsoever. And that's just the beginning: This isn't about not liking the product or just complaining for complaining's sake; and I'm usually a proponent of talent being in the eye of the beholder or whatever, but Masters just has no business whatsoever being in a ring on national TV. Even ignoring his danger to others, he's bad. Everything he does is stiff and awkward. He even made Shelton Benjamin look bad in their match. I've been to backyard wrestling matches where people were more fluid.

If you take away his look, Chris masters has absolutely nothing to offer as a performer. Nothing.

:love:

And yeah, complaining about Masters is not about how bad the product is. I'm pleased with the overall product, and Michaels just went up another 4 notches in my estimation for being able to pull out of that train wreck.

The whole put up or shut up is more for retards who complain that the product sucks, but support it. Not for people who have problems with a specific wrestler. Not everyoe in the WWE is good, and you don't have to like everyone to like the WWE. There are some REALLY shitty wrestlers...

...And Masters is the best example. He can't pull off arrogant, he can't get much of a crowd reaction most of the time (A tree stump could insult the likes of Hogan and Michaels and get a strong heel reaction, so no shock there). He's dead weight, and his greatest accomplishment so far in the WWE is being reckless enough to injurt other wrestlers.

So basically, he's Goldberg lite!

Injuring Stevie Richards got Stevie back on TV (even if was only for a little while.) So props to Masters.

:wtf: I criticize crap. Even my freinds who aren't internet "smarks" or whatever turn the channel on this guy. He's still getting a less then warm reception (and I don't mean heel heat) from the crowd even after the push he has gotten. Nobody cares about him or his Masterlock Challenge. It's that simple. I mean Orton got the same push kind of, but at least Orton cut decent promos and put on decent matches in the beginning. This guy is just beyond digraceful.

I actually liked Masters for a little while, especially when he did that thing with Flair. I'm almost always a mark for the young arrogant heels. But this guy's preformance really killed my liking for him and I was trying hard to not hate him too.

That's cool, but Masters is still the man, so whatever.

:lol:

Right. Sucking like a Hoover makes you the man.

gotcha.

If your a male whore then, yes it does.

Actually, if you're sucking, you're the bitch. ;)

Damn, I guess im not the man:\'(

No, see, I don't think he sucks, that's the thing.

And since you're his only fan, that holds a lot of weight. :)

Not that it makes a diffrence, Master hasnt been given the opportunity to shine (other than his three minits with Shelton), and im a fan until he does. Which should be soon considering the HBK angle theve got working.

That's fine. We're just wondering how you defend that position...what, exactly, do you see that makes you think he is such "a GREAT heel character?"

Ok..that's bullshit. This guy was given a segment on just about every single Raw, week after week, for the last few months. Jesus, you can even track his appearances using the fantasy stuff on WWE.com. He was getting more airtime than most of the roster.

As I said, if you are getting 10 minutes each week, doing something as generically straightforward heel as standing out there insulting the hometown and beating up on random nobodies, and you still can't get any sort of heel heat from the audience, you are not doing a good job.

You call beating up people from the crowd a good way to get over? I dont. And its not his fault he was booked beating nobodies. You want to get a guy over put him in there with someone the people care about. Like HBK.

OK...see, I'm of the mind that a brand new wrestler shoudl be booked to work his way up the ladder, at least a little. Have him start by working the crowd, and beating up on the under card, and once you can see fans reacting to him THEN you start feeding him to the upper midcard to better establish them. Even Goldberg's "monster push" took months of him beating up one the La Parka's and Lanny Lane's of the world.

My main gripe is that Mastes was given the golden gift of plent of airtime -not on Heat, mind you, on Raw - and an easy gimmick and he's fallen flat on his face. It's not like the crowd is undecided or split on Masters. They truly don't give a shit. So he's getting no reaction, he actually looks worse the more times he sets foot in the ring (his timing his awful and he can't sell to save his life ; his match with Shelton was the worst performance on raw since Jackie Gayda's debut ann no ...not hyperbole) and what happens? He's REWARDED for that by throwing him in a program with HBK.

I can only hope that this is a last ditch kind of thing; like if the Pistons were to start Darko for 40 games this year. A way to see once and for all, whether this guy is as bad as he reallly looks or whether there's something there worth salvaging.

To be honest, Masters at this point is worse than every single performer the WWE fired in the last few months, divas included. He's that bad.

I see where youre coming from. He should wrestle people lower in the card befor moving up, but random nobodies isnt gonna do anything, and I can proboly list the names of the guys hes has faced on the roster on one hand. Is the program with Micheal to soon? Hell yeah. If he does 15% of the work in this fued (cause we all no he will be carried) it will be a success and I will stay on the band wagon. Hes not in HBK's league, I know that. But what he could learn and gain from this fued could really send him in the right direction. Shawn could lite fire under the ass of Masters. We will see...

You're a fan until he does something good?

Man, no wonder people are Tard slapping you. :D

No, he should learn to wrestle or cut a promo or get a fan reaction.

No, im a fan until hes givin the opportunity to do something good, and then doesnt. Pardon me for not hating a guy who has only wrestled "fans." He hasnt done anything to earn hatred. YET

....yeah you're a tard. Who gave you green rep?

Stevie Richards is a fan?

Anyway, he's been crap in the ring. He doesn't DESERVE to wrestle anyone above the "fan" level. He can't cut a promo. He's been handed one of the EASIEST gimmicks in the world, and had it spoonfed to him, and he STILL can't get fan reaction. He's already dropped the ball.

And that's why the "no chance to shine" argument is pretty retarded.

What's so easy about his gimmick? There's really nothing to it, he come's out and put's people in a lock, the segment sucks and they book him in it week after week.
If there was more to him then he could get a reaction, but he isin't booked in any possible way to evolve his character.

Exactly, I blame the amazing ability of the writing team. Its like I was saying, beating up fans isnt going go far. And Stevie Richards aint much better. Once Shawn gets him over he will be able to take that steam on into another fued and who knows. A years time he COULD be something to brag about.

And in a year's time the WWE could have fired his ass. You're forgetting that the WWE isn't trying to build stars anymore. They want the flavor of the month to go on and on and on. If a guy can't get over immediatly nowadays...he's as good as fired.

That's what were saying Shadow.. Masters has potential... He's just being fucked like 75% of new stars, courtesy of the writing team.

OK, now where on the same page.

It's not just the writing team folks. That's an easy blame and rather cowardly to just blame the writing team. Sometimes the gimmick doesn't fit the wrestler.

But nowadays it's compleatly right to say the writing team is fucking over the new guys so....hehehe.

Look, its clear your just trying to make the noobs look bad instead of making a valid point so im just going to move on.

No you guys did a good job of that all by yourselves. But keep thinking you're cool.

Why ask a question, then answer yourself?

I meant as in getting over.

Seems to have worked for THOUSANDS of wrestlers, but okay, we'll ignore all the prior success with the gimmick and let the fault lay with the gimmick, instead of the guy failing to pull it off.

I mean, it's not like even Jindrak managed to get more over with this gimmick a short time ago, but that's okay. Bad gimmick. Bad writers. Bad fans. This is everyone's fault but his.

You act as if you were in Masters position, then you would instantly get over.

It's easy to act like he's real shit, and say that he's fucking up so bad, meanwhile he is in the WWE and he is on RAW every week, he hasn't exactly dropped the ball. He just hasn't had a chance to get his hands on it yet.

Seems to have worked for THOUSANDS of wrestlers, but okay, we'll ignore all the prior success with the gimmick and let the fault lay with the gimmick, instead of the guy failing to pull it off.

I mean, it's not like even Jindrak managed to get more over with this gimmick a short time ago, but that's okay. Bad gimmick. Bad writers. Bad fans. This is everyone's fault but his.

mm hmm.. THOUSANDS......

gg double post.

I wouldn't. Not with my build or public speaking skills.

:lol:

I'm acting as though this is a simple gimmick to do, one that is straightforward and traditional and has been used successfully numerous times.

So don't try and pretend I'm saying something I'm not. No gimmick's magic, it can't turn shit into gold. And that is why MAsters has failed.

Who has WORKED for? you already admitted Jindrak didnt pull it off.

1) It's called hyperbole (Get Destro to look it up, he's good with the dictionary)

2) IT's probably true, though not within the WWE. There are TONS of these promotions, wrestling is over a century old, and this is one of the STAPLE heel types. A Hundred years with tons of promotions, including numerous countries, and it's been largely successful, which is how it trickled into the mainstream WWF/E and similar TV feds.

So yeah.

What the fuck are you on? He hasn't even be around that long, not every star comes in day one with the GOLDEN GIMMICK. Give it some time, you talk all this shit while he's beginning a fued with one of the bigger stars in WWE history.

Only the shittiest wrestlers in the WORLD get to step into the ring with Shawn Michaels right?

Im begining to see why wrestlers hate the internet...

Errr, yeah. Please try and stay with us.

He. DOES. Have. A. Golden. Gimmick.

Large amounts of production on his entrance. LOTS of TV time. More than many of the regular stars. Lots of exposure.

Now who would be stupid enough to say that? Oh right, it's a strawman argument, useful only if you ignore the fact that it goes the other way as well. Just getting in the ring with Michaels doesn't mean you're good. Working a program with him doesn't make you good. All it means is that someone's pushing to continue his exposure.

Because people apply reasoning, and choose who they like, not who they're told to like?

Yeah, I can see it too.

He's never been in the ring with anyone above Low/Midcard level. Except when the Big Show PUNKED HIM OUT. The path has not been paved for him, this week's raw is his first chance in the ring with an ACTUAL name. Stevie Richards is a piece of shit jobber who has not won a memorable match in years. That doesn't even count.

I have a solution for ya...

GET OFF THE DAMN MESSAGE BOARD IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT!

No, because there flacid and unwilling to say anything positive.

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:D
Just like my watermellon refrence.

Man shut up,
And you know what, get off Kane Knights dick. Every time he post's you are right there to suck his ass with a follow-up.

I'm willing to say something posiitive about the wrestlers who deserve it. hell' I'll practically gush over Kurt Angle. Masters doesn't deserve any credit.

But you don't need to be up against a big name to get yourself over with the crowd. Fuck's sake, use some common sense. Who cares if he hasn't been in the ring with a main eventer? What difference does it make if he can't cut a promo against a dark matcher or a main eventer?

Well, except that your watermelon was off the mark, but yes.

It make's a big difference when you are in the ring with complete shit, and no one is there to see you. It also makes a difference not having a fued to get people even remotely interested in you.

Dude, get the blinders off. A thread panning Masters proves that they won't say anything positive? Look at the "3 things the WWE is doing right" thread, you semi literate bastard, before you go for the theatrics.

Masters is shit, that doesn't prove nobody says positive things on the internet. Get over yourself.

It was hyperbole, no mater what you think, and im black so it dont mater.

Bite me dough boy. If that's what I have to do to keep my self-esteme up, I'll let HHH assrape me.

1 thread out of 201 pages of em. And the dude post that oppend with something similar to to much negativity.

Which would be great if he could get a fan reaction.

BTW, PLENTY of people are there to see him. They just get bored. He's been given a ton of TV time, you can't claim no one's there to see him. They just don't care because he's shit.

The local talent are there to make him look strong, it's not that hard to figure out. They're also failing, but not because it's a bad idea. It's worked pretty well with other people. I don't see why pushing the guy to the moon will make him any better, except maybe someone will carry his weak ass to a decent match.

Here's a situation... Batista debuts as DEACON BATISTA. Wow he was fucking SHIT! He got FUCKED by a shitty gimmick and shitty and few opponents. The guy is HUGE (like Masters), doesnt get to beat alot of big names and wow.. he still wasn't over. He comes to RAW and get's THE ANIMAL gimmick where he is basically allowed to destroy every good wrestler on the roster with very little selling. People eat that shit right up.

Master's on the other hand, get's to wrestle fans... Stevie richards, Val venis....
and not achieve even very decent victories. He is being fucked.

Like I said this HBK fued could be the begining for Masters.

Too much, not only.

And one thread by name.

Pay attention, man. You said they can't say anything good. Plenty of people have praised Raw this week, praised Summerslam, and praised a lot of things about the WWE.

But let's ignore than, and drama Queen our way into how everyone is incapable of syaing something positive.

IT's not about Masters, or whatever's up your craw, it's about how there's nothing positive out there!!!!!11111oneoneoneone!

And I never got an example of someone this gimmick worked for...

IT was hyperbole, it was just also an improper use, since the idea is to exaggerate for EFFECT. It's hard to get effect when you're giving an improper example.

reply to me KK, or... Are you completely fucking wrong? Changing the subject .. Weak.

Someones getting spitefu:kiss: l

The both of you are getting spiteful.

Yeah but who wont mark out for Angle....:D