Does anybody else think that Bret was in the wrong for Montreal.
 

I know this has been brought up probably more than any other topic in the history of this forum but since alot of attention has gone to the incident lately, I thought this would be appropriate to bring up. Everybody always goes on and on about how Vince screwed Bret and that it was a shitty thing to do ...blah blah blah. Wait a sec though. Correct me if I'm wrong but part of what started the situation is that Bret refused to job to Michaels for the belt before he left off to WCW. The way I see it, Bret never really had the right to refuse to lose to Michaels in the first place. Whether he hated the guy or not, this seems like an extremely unprofessional thing to do. Especially taking into consideration that it wasn't going to matter anyway once he left off to WCW. That put Vince in a tough spot as far as booking goes. The match was already set up. I say Vince did what he had to do due to the fact that he was dealing with a very stubborn worker. I most likely would've done something similar. Alot of people will say 'oh, it didn't matter what Vince thought to Bret cause he was leaving. bla, blah blah.'. In any other line of work, you are an active contributing employee until your very last day of work. The fact that he refused to do what the boss told him out of dislike for his opponent shows that he didn't care what state he left the company in after his departure. If Bret didn't care about the WWF or Vince then why should Vince have cared about him?

Just the way I see it. Thoughts?

Bret fucking Hart screwed Bret fucking Hart

some people claim that his years of dedication to the company is what should have allowed him to walk out the way he wanted to.

personally, that kinda bullshit is what makes society idiotic.

if you a wrestler, you should leave putting someone big over.

bret wanted to pull a hogan. =/

Do i think Bret was wrong in what he did? no.Did Vince Screw Bret pretty much. Did Vince do what was right for buisness i have to say yes .

Now i may have some of my facts wrong but

1) I believe Bret had a think on his contract called creative control which let him decide in which direction his character went

2)Bret simply refused to drop the title to Shawn in Montreal and wouldve dropped it the next night on Raw.And even he he didnt want to so what Shawn did the exact same thing during his"I lost my smile" speech as he was slated to drop the belt back to Bret

3)Vince agreed to have the match end in a double DQ therefore went back on his word.

Bret stood up for what he believed and there is no shame for that

For fuck sakes get over it!!!

This is like the 957646 post on this since Montreal.

Everyone take a note from what HBK said to Vince on Monday


GET OVER IT

...Unless youré Canadian. Then you can harp on it for another 20 years.

NAMT!

(Not another Montreal thread!)

I think these guys need some "closure"

If, by "closure," you mean a boot in the ass, yes.

Bret was right and wrong in this situation

Vince was right and wrong in this situation.

Both guys did what they felt was necessary. I don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" here. They both just fucked up.

:y:

It's a lot more complex than Bret didn't want to job and was leaving.

Funny since Michaels himself can't get over it.

Not to mention the WWE.

Niether can I, nor will I.

Vince screwed Bret, he didnt even know what he wanted as he kept altering match ideas and so on. He agreed to what Bret stated, he gave Bret reasonable creative control(well deserved mind you) and Bret used it. Too bad for Vince.

So yes Vince screwed over Bret, a man who did everything for that company, hell he even worked a night at survivor series when Dean died.

Besides that fact, HBk flat out told Bret he would not do a job for Bret and extend the same courtesy Bret has done, and said he would have done again for HBK. Once he found that out, Bret refused to do business with a man who didnt know what professionalsim and good business conduct even meant. It was a spit in the face to Bret. And I wouldnt blame him for acting the way he did.

You're Canadian. You can't give a REASON, you have to chant "You screwed Bret!"

My reasoning is in my posts, of which there are many.

However, you are correct, and I probably even started the chants you heard on that march night after WM18, directed towards Vinnie Mac.

All I have yet to do is jump the railing, which I shall do, at some point in time.
Probably in 2014, when this has been long buried.

Anyways, half the people who chant it probably were not even watching back in 1997. It's just a right of being Canadian I guess.

Chanting in spite filled rage at a man who did something to someone whom most have porbably never met in person...nor where even fans of him when he did anything other then bitch about being screwed.

Wow, not only a right that Canadians use, but a perfect display of mass iggnorence and trend fallowing.

It's actually only rage for some. Most follow along as it's fun.

I do it because I dont like HBK's character and prefer Bret to him, and feel he did get screwed over.

Besides, when the shows come up north, it just makes things all the more interesting.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that Bret said that he WOULD job to Shawn Michaels, but he just didn't want to do it in his home country. I'm not saying that makes matters any better or worse, because there are a lot of cities in Canada, but wasn't there supposed to be a rematch between the two after Survivor Series in which Michaels would take the strap?

What are you, retarded? I said you CAN'T give reasons. :nono: You are a discredit to your nation.

Yes, as a matter of fact he stated he would job to him sometime after the SS. The thing is, people seem to forget Bret still had another month left to go on his deal, so there was plenty of time to take the strap off of him in whatever fashion they would have liked. Vince panicked for whatever reason and made a rash decision. Which is why when people worry that a guy like Bret would have taken the title with him into wcw is so preposterous.

Sorry bud, misread your meaning. I roll to the beat of my own drummer.

Yeah, only a dickhead like Ric Flair would do something like that.

Take the title to another promotion, I mean.

Bret had reasonable creative control. Refusing to job the world title to the only guy who logically should win it, simply because you hate the guy isn't reasonable.

Bret should have jobbed. Was Bret screwed? Yes. Do I think it was right? No. Do I think Bret was wrong and brought it on himself regardless? Absolutely.

HE WOULD HAVE JOBBED. Just didn't want to do it in Canada. That's not really asking too much, I don't think. Maybe it was. But I don't think so.

Ok, then in the same token if say Kurt Angle didn't want to job to Bret Hart in the US, that would be ok right? Or if Tajiri said he didn't want to job to Hulk Hogan in Asia that would be ok? To me it's the same idea (ok, maybe not the Tajiri example, but the Kurt one is valid). If Shawn refused to job to Bret in the US there would have been 8 million people calling him a dick.

The One's Stance

Bret screwed Bret.
Vince tricked Bret.
Michaels out polotiked Bret.

But ultimatly, Bret can't blame anyone but himself for how it all went downed. And it isn't like this was a blind side for Bret. He knew what he was demanding might cause a backlash. He even asked Earl Hebner to promise he wouldn't screw him. So clearly he knew that he was walking on thin ice, he just figured Vince would put their friendship above business. And maybe Bret had done that for years, but Vince owns a fucking company, you don't put friendship above business when your business is not only yours but hundreds of people work for your company...ever. Especially in this biz where time heals all wounds.

The difference is how often they are in the US and how often they are in Canada. Having shows (especially a PPV) in Canada was something kind of out of the norm for the WWF in 1997. Even though Bret isn't from Montreal, anything in Canada would be the closest he had to a show in his "home town".

If Kurt Angle didn't want to job in the entire United States, that would be ridiculous. If he didn't want to job in Pennsylvania, it wouldn't be so far fetched. Same thing with Tajiri in Asia.

I guess that's the difference then. I respect what you'er saying but at the same time, I don't think you refuse to job period. Regardless of where you're at. If you're told by your boss, to job, then you job. You have the right to disagree, but you still do your job. Vince didn't ask Bret to kiss Shawn's ass on national tv, so it's not like Vince was out to destroy Bret's character or out to humiliate Bret, he was merely doing what was best for HIS company.

He never had the right to refuse to job to Michaels ANYWHERE. It may be true that he was entitled to certain amounts of creative control while under contract but I would think that his creative control would have been relinquished the minute he quit the company.

You're right in that aspect, but again, Bret DID have creative control. When that was granted to him, Vince knew that something like this could potentially happen. Yes, Vince was his boss, but because of the creative control, it was Bret's right as an employee to decline. If Vince was so paranoid about it, he should have never given him creative control in the first place.

Furthermore... If you were Vince would you rather had the title change hands on one of the biggest PPVs in a given year or have it change on RAW??

I could have sworn it was "reasonable creative control" not total. Refusing to drop the title at a big PPV to the logical challenger doesn't seem reasonable.

Well now we're just going in circles. It wasn't the fact that it was a PPV that irked Bret. It was the fact that it was in his home area. He said he would've done it, but he didn't want to do it there.

I think that's "reasonable".

And if Vince really didn't think it was 'reasonable', why did he lead Bret to believe that everything was cool? If he really wanted to be THE BOSS, he should've said "LOOK BRET, YOU FUCK, YOU WILL JOB AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!".

But instead, he went behind his back and just confused the shit out of him. That wasn't very nice on Vince's part.

Because had Vince said that then Bret could have (and in my opinion, most likely would have) no showed and Vince would have been fucked out of his main event for one of the big four PPVs of the year.

In the midst of a rating battle with WCW? Maybe it wouldn't have been the worst idea.

But who said it even had to be Raw? If he still had a month on the contract, he likely would have been around until the next PPV. Job there. Shake hands. Go to WCW.

Nobody had to break any monitors, punch anybody, spit on anybody, or screw anybody.

But what I'm saying here is this: Bret leaves the company. Although he still has another month before he goes, Vince has to basically act like Bret isn't there as far as storyline goes. Why build up or care about an angle that won't be there in 2-3 weeks? Once Bret quit, he should have known that all aspects of creative control would leave his hands.

And Bret was trying to force Vince into making a horrible business decision. Either way you put it: Whether Bret didn't want to lose to Michaels at SS or didn't want to lose to him at all.

Scenario #1: Bret doesn't want to lose to Michaels at SS due to personal issues.

How it Screws Vince: There is a major difference between having a title change hands at a PPV and having a title change hands on RAW.

Scenario #2: Bret didn't want to lose to Shawn at all.

How it screws Vince: Michaels was the top player in the game at the time. There was really nobody that could fill his shoes as far as ability, popularity, and lasting appeal. It would've been bad business to put the belt on anybody else at the time.

The original beef wasn't Vince versus Bret. They loved each other.

It was Bret versus Shawn.

If Vince REALLY would have attempted to put his foot down, I think he would have succeeded. Bret didn't hate Vince McMahon (in 1997), and he had a reputation for being fiercely loyal to the company. I don't think he would just NO SHOW a fucking PPV main event.

Why would that have to happen? He could have more build up with Michaels on Raw the whole month (and it's not like it would be forced, seeing as to how they would have just main evented the previous PPV with Bret as the victor) and just culminate the whole thing as the next PPV. In Your House, or whatever the fuck.

It doesn't matter if it was Shawn Michaels, Taka Michinoku or Steve Austin that Bret Hart refused to job to. What does matter is that Vince McMahon agreed on a finish and then turned his back on the locker room. He gave his word and the pissed on it. He didn't have to do that at all. Bret legally couldn't go to WCW for another 30 days so if he went on Nitro the next night and threw the belt in the bin or whatever then he would be in breach of contract. Just like if Hulk Hogan showed up on Raw and did the same thing.

And if people think Bret Hart of all people would have done that then they need to pull their heads out of Vince McMahon's arse and their cocks out of Shawn Michaels' mouth.

So when given creative control, you don't have the right to turn down match options?

That seems stupid to me.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

are you lot done yet???

I thought this issue wouldve been dead and buried by now, like this thread

Especially when Hulk Hogan has the same deal and point blank refused to put over HBK and Vinnie Mac didn't bat an eyelid,

Business.

You can sort of see both sides of the issue.

Vince should have shut his mouth about breaching brets contract until after Bret jobbed it ( probably to Austin or Shamrock) and then told bret " hey listen..about that 20 years..I was kidding..now fuck off"


Bret was FORCED out of the WWE -and what makes it worse is that on his way out he has to job to a guy who told him that he would never job to bret. Bret even stated that he would job to Michaels after that ...

I think for Brets loyalty and him giving all to the company he should have at least had one last request which was not to lose in his hometown. If bret was allowed to leave the way he wanted what reason would there be for him to take the belt to WCW?


in the end, It was an issue of horrible timing..

I've read as many replies as I can bring myself to read, and one more time, it's all the same stuff again, so I'll call it how I see it one more time. I honestly don't disagree with Vince wanting Bret to drop the title to Shawn at Survivor Series, and Bret whining about it WAS pretty lame, but on the same hand, if Vince told Bret he could do the Double Disqualification thing, then that's how it should've gone down, period. If Vince wasn't willing to back down, he shouldn't have, and if Bret didn't like it, well, my backup for that is simple. A forfeit victory for Shawn Michaels.

What could be worse than that? I mean, it's one thing to fight and just come up short, but not even to come out to face your arch nemesis in your "home country" in front of all of your fans? I think that would've hurt Bret far more than being locked in a Sharpshooter and clearly NOT submitting.

I can't.

Talking about Montreal, AGAIN?

Is this a slow news day?

I do because I'm a HBK mark

Yeah, but then again, you can never seem to see Vince's side in anything.

My uninvited and unwanted opinion:

Vince made the big 20 year deal with Bret, and the clause was put in that for the final 30 days of Bret's contract, he has reasonable creative control, so as to avoid being unfairly buried on his way out. Vince made that deal, so he can't piss and moan about the fact that he had to go by the terms of it. It was with Vince's urging (both directly and indirectly) for Bret to go to WCW, thus beginning the period of Bret's "reasonable" control. Vince was in a situation where he wanted to get the belt off Bret, and Bret, as he'd been painted all along as the Canadian Hero, likely felt that it would hurt him significantly to lose to Michaels with the way the match was built, and his personal dislike of Shawn probably helped him not want to lose that one (coming off of things like Bret saying he's lose to Shawn, and Shawn replying with words to the effect of "that's nice, but I wouldn't do it for you"). Bret really didn't do anything wrong from a legal standpoint, as the situation he was put in was incited by and created by Vince himself.

Shawn did one-up Bret, and Vince screwed him. Bret got hosed.

SHAWN, EARL HEBNER, VINCE, HHH, JR (porbably), PATT PATERSON, THE DIRECTOR ( he told the vision mixer who which camera to put on air - thus we get an angle where we cant see brets face while in the sharpshooter)

SCREWED BRET HART - in the end it was a dirty thing that a number of guys did against one of their own.

You know, right now I'm starting to miss The Rock... You wanna know why?




<i>IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO SCREWED BRET!!!</i>
It was over 8 years ago, and it looks like relationships have been somewhat mended albeit it'll never be the same. Please, and this one goes out to the whole internet, get over it.

Now you know that's a lie.

Actually I'm not sure Pat was in on it. He's a big Bret sider, and Briscoe even excluded Pat from the whole thing.

Of course he was in on it.

Even though this topic is done to death, there have been many valid points. My opinion on this is, that Bret was in the wrong. Everyone knew he was leaving, and even though he had creative control, that should have been thrown out. And I really can't stand that Bret always acts like he is the victim, when he brought it on himself. It was documented that he asked Earl Hebner not to screw him in the match, so he knew the possibilities of what was going down.

Also, everyone can say that when Bret was heading to WCW, they were worried about what he would do with the belt. Even though Bret may not take the belt to WCW, when you are Vince McMahon, you have to protect your business and can't take chances like that.

One last thing, if Survivor Series would not have been held in Montreal, I can almost guaran-dam-tee that we would not be talking about this today.

Hey, that's a nice Rock impression there, but obviously somebody is still thinking about it. Who are you to tell them not to? If you didn't want to hear about it anymore, the thread title alone should have led you not to click on it. Is it a pre-requisite to be a dick around here?

I'm in favor of management. Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart were both being immature, even if it was moreso Shawn than Bret. The thing was though that Mr. McMahon was absolutely sure that Shawn would be on Raw the next night. And since Bret was being stubborn, Mr. McMahon lied to him. Was it right? No, but a case could be made that it was necessary.

everybody screwed everybody.....end of story

To everyone who's saying "Get over it" and "who cares," Keep in mind this is coming up ONLY because Vince McMahon and the WWE brought it up. Jesus Christ, do you really expect a main event "controversy" to not start discussion?

well Paul Heyman believed bret was right, Undertaker thought bret was right and so were nearly all the insiders. If shawn michaels relly and truly believed what he took part in was right then why, after it had happened, did he say to bret " Bret i swear to god I had nothing to do with it, "

While both parties were catalyst to the event that re-defined wrestling, I thing the WWfF holds 90% of the blame with Bret holding the 10%

In the end the biggest loser in the screwjob was Bret Hart.


BTW: in the movie about jesse ventura's life they did the screwjob angle

Your bitching about neg rep and getting called an idiot would be funnier if you could spell Egypt or its rulers right. :)

That's why we should all get over it though. If we ignore it, Vince will have to at some point.

I'm sorry, but please don't be so gullible. Do you really think Shawn wanted to catch the ass-whooping that Bret undoubtedly was prepared to dish out?

oh please. the point here is that Shawn "believes" he did the right thing..why not say so to bret...why GO into the changeroom and lie. He could have just left the arena - without trying to cover anything up.

end result : shawn knew he was doing something that was wrong. He knew he would get his ass kicked because of it...so he did what HBK does best..lie

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

:rofl:

Every time this topic is brought up, I lose even more respect for Shitman Fart and all other Canadians elsewhere.

THIS HAPPENED OVER 8 YEARS AGO. GET OVER IT!


Bret Hart is a douche bag. Shawn Michaels is no saint either, but he spoke the absolute truth when he said that Bret Hart claimed to stand for some moral fiber that really didn't exist in his world, yet chose to judge others.

Bret Hart showed a complete lack of professionalism by refusing to job cleanly to HBK that night. So what if HBK didn't want to job to him a few years earlier?

Does two wrongs make a right? Shouldn't a so-called "moral man" like Bret Hart realize this?

Instead - Bret decided to stoop down to HBK's level.




This is the Sports-Entertainment business people. 99% of it is STORYLINE.

Bret complaining that he didn't want to lose the belt to HBK in Canada because he's a hero there, would be the same as Mel Gibson's Braveheart character stating that he didn't want to die in Scotland, because he's a hero there. :roll:



Lastly - Bret has recently proven that he's an ego-maniac by doing business with the WWE...with his new DVD about to be released. Obviously - Bret cares more about his 'legacy' and ego, as opposed to his own personal integrity.

Even during Owen Hart's death during the funeral, Bret rarely even spoke about Owen. All he could talk about with Vince, was getting the rights to his footage.


As far as Vince and the WWE constantly bringing up Montreal, IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS!

The reason why it's constantly brought up in Canada, is because Canadian marks like Zen v.W.o and Rob can't let go of their ridiculous deep rooted grudge. The WWE play upon it.

Outside of Canada, the screwjob is rarely ever brought up.




Bottom line? Vince = terrific business man. He used the Montreal Screwjob as a way of launching the highly successful Attitude era.

Bret Hart seriously needs to move on......or just get a gun and hunt down Vince or something. :roll:

In Bret's defense he is always asked about it... He ususally doesn't bring it up first. Bret does want to move on and has even stated he wants to move on. Bret would love Montreal to go away.

I don't blame Vince for bringing up Montreal since he's trying to make money off it.

Montreal will never die.

If those fans did get over it, Vince wouldn't have this as a money maker. That's why the WWE keeps bringing it up. So it doesn't die and they lose all that money.

What kind of fucking stupid analogy is this?

Do wrestlers go through a long career of putting on good to great matches to have to summed up in a DVD called "Bret Hart: Screwed"? If anything Bret took Vince's obsession with Montreal, and changed it to something that would benefit the fans instead of having us listen to the same tired "Bret refused to lose" inaccurate crap that Vince and WWE, not Bret, were going to give us. The fact he gives a rats ass about his career and legacy that he worked hard and long for is actually a positive in someways, you know.

yea, tell me where you heard this? Cause I just laughed my ass off.

Vince McMahon mentioned this a few years ago (can't remember where and when). He talked about how he mentioned Owen in about ONE sentence at the funeral.

Obviously, I thought nothing of it back then since Vince may have been biased.

Recently on Canada's Off the Record however, Bret basically admitted the same thing in a round-a-bout way. He also talked about meeting Vince at Owen's funeral, and spoke about the footage.....at his brother's funeral.

I mean, good god. This is your own brother's funeral for Christ sakes. :nono:

That may have been the only time Bret ever spoke to Vince again though. Not to mention it would have stupid.

An accurate one? :?: Triple H used that same analogy in the past. Since Paul Levesque is a much smarter man than you, me, or Bret, I tend to respect his opinions quite highly.



All this shows, is that Bret is insecure. You don't think that there are already TONS of Bret Hart matches out there on DVD/tape?

Regardless of the Montreal Screw job, Bret will be remembered as a great wrestler. He's not in the same league as HBK, Flair, Kurt Angle, or Eddie Guerrero, but he's great nonetheless. His fans know this.

Bret is doing this DVD for a few reasons:

1) His ego.

2) Money.

Nothing more, nothing less. Did I also mention that by doing this, he's completely compromising his integrity?


For a company that supposedly completely "screwed" him and wrecked his career, Bret seems awfully interested in doing business with the WWE. :roll:

lol. am I really suppossed to take you seriously if you believe Vince. He mentioned it after the Funeral on Off the Record

Wow, talk about only wanting to hear things you want to hear. I have that show on tape. Tell me, did you watch the entire bit or what? Bret's met with Vince in a park in Calgary after the Funeral. NOT DURING THE FUNERAL. Bret's lawyers requested he not talk about the court case or anything to that extent. Yes, the video footage was brought up, which Bret had been trying to get for months now. Vince said Bret could have everything. Bret called the office a few weeks later and Vince's secratary said Vince said he never recalled any conversation.

Even Lansberry thought Vince was full of shit when Vince came on his show.

ROFL no way is HBK anywhere as near as good as Bret was.

Have you ever been to a funeral where ALL you spoke about was the person who died? I can't say I ever have. That would be a whole day of shitty conversation if that happened.

No i dont "bitch" i dont take crap from pepole who like to give me crap. this is the only forum in the world were everyone has the maturity of 4 year olds towards newbies, like you gotta own us or something, who know what it is, repressed homosexuality, touched as a child, im sure you all have your reasons. I feel like im a personal "Montreal screw job" incident around here, seriously, just let it go. And another thing, everyone chill the fuck out on spelling, bitch about it like teachers?

oh and by the way, the only reason Vince met with BRET and agreed on the footage was to get Bret on his side for the court hearings.

Yeah because Flair is the biggest jobber of all time.

lol, I'm starting to think this guy is trolling. He's put over HHH, Flair and HBK in a Bret Hart thread.

I don't disagree with that. :?:

Vince McMahon is a selfish asshole. Shawn Michaels is also a selfish asshole.


Having said that however......and I know this will break the heart of many Canadians reading this.....but Bret Hart, is also a selfish asshole. Period.



That's the one thing that single-handedly annoys me about Canadians/Bret marks in this whole "Montreal Screw job" scenario.


Bret Hart marks try and make this whole scenario look like it was a losing battle between good and evil. In Bret Hart fans' eyes, evil defeated good. :roll:

In Bret Hart fans' eyes, an almost morally perfect, Ghandi-like human being, was screwed by an unbelievably ruthless and evil businessman.


Lets no kid ourselves here folks. Vince is an asshole. However, he is also a shrewd businessman.

Bret Hart is just as selfish as HBK, Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, etc. It just so happened that in Montreal, he got the short end of the stick.

I've also called each and every one of those guys assholes. :?:

Just because I think someone is highly intelligent, a good businessman, or a tremendous in-ring performer, doesn't mean that I think they're not a-holes.

You've lost me. :?:

How does Ric Flair jobbing in matches, have anything to do with his exceptional in-ring ability?

Speaking of Ric Flair, I love how Bret Hart felt the need to lambast Ric Flair on his web site, after Flair dissed Bret Hart in his book.


If Bret really was as secure as he wants people to believe, don't you think he would have just ignored Flair? Two wrongs make a right eh Bret?

:ROLLOFTHEYESINTHEDIRECTIONOFSCOTTDELANEY:

Wow.

Not sure why you've brought Mick Foley into this conversation, but I can comment on him.

Foley had great personality, had excellent in-ring pyschology, and took bumps like none other. Foley is one of my favorite sports-entertainers of all-time.

Foley also genuinely seems like a good hearted, self-less, soul......that genuinely put the company's interests ahead of his own. Guys like Shawn Michaels, Triple H, and even Bret "Ghandi" Hart can learn from this.


Aside from that however, Foley will never be mistaken with Chris Benoit in terms of technical wrestling. But since I feel this way, I obviously have no respect for Foley right? :roll:

So I guess Bret was justified in attacking Flair on his website, since Flair attacked him?

By that logic, George Bush is justified for his war in Iraq.


Two wrongs make a right, and if you're not with us........you're against us. :yes: :y:

Pretty much.

I was just commenting (sarcastically) on how you're basically quoting the Flair and Bret thing. Foley did the same thing. He and Flair had a scuffle where Flair wanted a handshake and Foley declined and made a snide remark on Flair's book. He went as far as almost kicking Flair's ass after Flair punched him. I guess Mick is also insecure, right? :roll:

Flair is an asshole.

Oh no, I'll admit Bret can be a prick about Montreal, just not as much as a prick as most people ("Haters") make him out to be.

You bet he is!

Foley hasn't forgotten about that fateful day. He re-lives it every waking moment.

The people of Long Island are also quite devasted......and chant "You punched Foley!" every time Flair makes his way down there.


Mick Foley has created his own website and has created a section called 'FLAIR'.....so that he can tell his side of his story to the fans....about how Flair punched him in the head.

Furthermore, Foley has taken it upon himself to go on various talk shows to talk about that fateful day.

:yes:

Bret needs to get over himself.

He was never as good as Davey Boy Smith, Tom Billington, Eddie Guerrrero, Ric Flair. They would always come above Bret in any "Top 10 Wrestlers" poll in my eyes.

Flair went as far as to write it in his book in the first place. :eek: