NFL 2006 Offseason Thread
 

Let us begin our 7 month wait until the 2006/2007 season begins and do what every NFL fan likes to do: speculate. Running backs are the big deal the offseason with the UFA list including Shaun Alexander, Ahman Green, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis, Chester Taylor, DeShaun Foster, Najeh Davenport, and Michael Bennet among others.

Also for those wondering, the Draft order is as follows:

1 Houston
2 New Orleans
3 Tennessee
4 New York Jets
5 Green Bay
6 Oakland
7 San Francisco
8 Buffalo
9 Detroit
10 Arizona
11 St. Louis
12 Cleveland
13 Baltimore
14 Philadelphia
15 Atlanta
16 Miami
17 Minnesota
18 Dallas
19 San Diego
20 Kansas City
21 New England
22 Denver (f/WAS)
23 Tampa Bay
24 Cincinnati
25 New York Giants
26 Chicago
27 Carolina
28 Jacksonville
29 Denver
30 Indianapolis
31 Seattle
32 Pittsburgh

Well, there's not much going around at the moment so I'll just throw this out there.

<a href="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html">Here</a> is a mock draft for 06, no idea how reliable this guy is or whatever but there's a nice amount of info on the guys beyond the obvious Bush/Leinart fanfare. It was written before the Senior Bowl tho.

-edit- nm they've updated now

in case you wondering. :)

<table id="inlinetable" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="428"><tbody><tr><th colspan="4" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Underclassmen in 2006 NFL draft</th> </tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="143">Player</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="143">School</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="63">Pos.</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(153, 153, 153);" width="63">Year</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Darnell Bing </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> S </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Cornell Brockington </td> <td width=""> UConn </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Reggie Bush </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Brian Calhoun </td> <td width=""> Wisconsin </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Antonio Cromartie </td> <td width=""> Florida State </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Vernon Davis </td> <td width=""> Maryland </td> <td width=""> TE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Maurice Drew </td> <td width=""> UCLA </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ray Edwards </td> <td width=""> Purdue </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Anthony Fasano </td> <td width=""> Notre Dame </td> <td width=""> TE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Charles Gordon </td> <td width=""> Kansas </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Willie Hall </td> <td width=""> Middle. Tenn. St. </td> <td width=""> OT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Devin Hester </td> <td width=""> Miami-FL </td> <td width=""> RS/DC/WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Santonio Holmes </td> <td width=""> Ohio State </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Chad Jackson </td> <td width=""> Florida </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Omar Jacobs </td> <td width=""> Bowling Green </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Cornell Johnson </td> <td width=""> Indiana State </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Marquis Johnson </td> <td width=""> Texas Tech </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Johnathan Joseph </td> <td width=""> South Carolina </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Winston Justice </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> OT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Brandon Kirsch </td> <td width=""> Purdue </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Greg Lee </td> <td width=""> Pittsburgh </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Laurence Maroney </td> <td width=""> Minnesota </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Richard Marshall </td> <td width=""> Fresno St. </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Derrick Martin </td> <td width=""> Wyoming </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Fred Matua </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> G </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> John McCargo </td> <td width=""> North Carolina State </td> <td width=""> DT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Stanley McClover </td> <td width=""> Auburn </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Tony McDaniel </td> <td width=""> Tennessee </td> <td width=""> DT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Derek Morris </td> <td width=""> North Carolina State </td> <td width=""> OT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Haloti Ngata </td> <td width=""> Oregon </td> <td width=""> DT </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Kai Parham </td> <td width=""> Virginia </td> <td width=""> LB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Bobby Payne </td> <td width=""> Middle Tennessee </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Bernard Pollard </td> <td width=""> Purdue </td> <td width=""> DS </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Leonard Pope </td> <td width=""> Georgia </td> <td width=""> TE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Drouzon Quillen </td> <td width=""> Louisiana-Monroe </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Cory Rodgers </td> <td width=""> Texas Christian </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ko Simpson </td> <td width=""> South Carolina </td> <td width=""> S </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ernie Sims </td> <td width=""> Florida State </td> <td width=""> LB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Daniel Smith </td> <td width=""> Idaho </td> <td width=""> WR </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Rob Smith </td> <td width=""> Tennessee </td> <td width=""> OG </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Stephen Tulloch </td> <td width=""> N.C. State </td> <td width=""> LB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Marcus Vick </td> <td width=""> Virginia Tech </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Dee Webb </td> <td width=""> Florida </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> LenDale White </td> <td width=""> USC </td> <td width=""> RB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Donte Whitner </td> <td width=""> Ohio State </td> <td width=""> S </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Mario Williams </td> <td width=""> N.C. State </td> <td width=""> DE </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Ashton Youboty </td> <td width=""> Ohio State </td> <td width=""> CB </td> <td width=""> Jr. </td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236);" valign="top"> <td width=""> Vince Young </td> <td width=""> Texas </td> <td width=""> QB </td> <td width=""> Jr.</td></tr></tbody></table>

giants need to draft at least one of these players:
tye hill
antonio cromartie
thomas howard
sinorice moss
greg blue
ernie sims
manny lawson

Why?

As far as the Jets go, most talks are that they're going after Young, Leinart, Bush if available at 4 :roll:, and if not then D'Bricksaw Ferguson. Not to crazy about that, but 1st round OLs have a history of working out well, so I dunno I guess that'd be fine. The line was really hacked up this year avec no Mawae or Fabini ect.

THE ARIZONA CARDINALS might, possibly, that is, if they can stay healthy and avoid injuries and not play like extreme shit and maybe have an o-line or a decent running game and some quick corners WILL WIN THE NFC WEST

What

The Giants biggest hole this year was by far the secondary. Tye Hill & Antonio Cromartie are two very good looking cornerbacks who are likely to fall to the number 25 spot. Brent Alexander was the most consistent guy in the secondary and he is like 36 and led the team with 4 INTs but is pretty much on the decline so Greg Blue would be a nice fill in. He doesn't have to start immediately but if it comes time when Alexander has to go then Blue would be a good replacement. There is no intimidating presence in our secondary right now but Blue could be the guy who scares the opponent cause he hits like a machine. Although he does seem to get lost in pass coverage and we can't really afford that.

Thomas Howard, Ernie Sims both fast OLB and Carlos Emmons probably won't be back next year and even if he is I think we proved that we don't have much depth at linebacker. Reggie Torbor, Nick Greisen, Chase Blackburn COULD take over an OLB spot but I don't think they are good enough to start for a saeson. Manny Lawson a 2nd-3rd round guy with same qualities as Sims and Howard but doesn't have great instincts or anything. I'd rather we focus on getting Blue/Moss in 2nd/3rd round.

Giants lack a solid #3 WR right now. We have Tim Carter who is really fast but drops everything and Jamaar Taylor who is not as fast. David Tyree is there and I hope he is resigned but he needs to be more of a special teams player than WR. Sinorice Moss gives the Giants a fast young receiver at #3 who would really "complete" the offense.

Any of these could change with a free agent signing though

I agree with pretty much everything that AssMan said. I doubt Emmons, W. Allen or Green will be back on defense. We need better play from our secondary without a doubt, but I don't know that additions are what we need. We have the secondary coach from Kansas City so we'll see. If we can get Corey Webster to step up, and Will Peterson to get through the season uninjured our starting secondary looks solid, with Peterson and Webster on the corners, Brent Alexander and Gibril the Thrill at the safeties I think we'll be okay.

At linebacker, I think Emmons is up there and the injuries are a sign of his soon to be departure, although I'm not quite sure he will get released this year. I think Barrett Green should be released because of injuries and falling out with Coughlin, too much money going to him to not play. Out of our other LB's, Pierce will return to anchor the middle, I can see Emmons and Torbor playing the outside, with Greisen and Blackburn providing depth (Blackburn looked promising in his short stint and Greisen is very solid). We should probably keep Kevin Lewis, who has been in the system for depth, if we have to get rid of someone here.

I agree with AssMan on what he said about the #3 WR, only thing I would add is that we could use a stud LT. Luke Petitgout is solid in terms of blocking but he is dumb as fuck with penalties and for that he should get the boot.

An LT would be nice but Ernie Accorsi has already announced that the offensive line will not be focused on this offseason. Yeah Petitgout is retarded with penalties but his blocking is fine. The line really meshed this season and if you look at the 04-05 season you will see how much of a huge upgrade it was. No need to change anything there.

No there really isn't, but I honestly wouldn't mind them using a draft pick or using cap space to bring in a LT to scare Petitgout into not being a total moron all the time.

We need secondary help, although I don't think it necessarily needs to come through addition or subtraction, but better coaching and scheming.

We really need better depth at WR, as you said, and probably some young LB's to mold into a starting core.

I could see Antonio Cromartie falling since he was injuried all of last season, dude is sick. If he comes back 100% he'll be a starter as a rookie.

I really hope the Bengals take Darnell Bing. He is nasty and really underrated IMO. Plus what's better than getting knocked out by a guy named Bing

Yeah I am kind of surprised Bing came out. I figured he would have stuck around for his senior season and came out as a top 10 pick next season. He will be another steal in the draft IMO. I am curious to what the Patriots are gonna do, there is a lot of different directions to go.

Kind of a homer pick but I'd love for the Bengals to get Bobby Carpenter too. He's almost as fast as AJ Hawk and a lot bigger.

Thanks, I don't follow the Giants closely and was just wondering why you picked those guys specificly.

thanks!

Mandalay Bay early lines to win the superbowl next year.

Colts 4-1
Seahawks 5-2
Patriots 5-2

Then were the Steelers and either Cinci or Denver, I forget what the line was.

Who do you see the Pats taking? The only thing that comes to mind for me is maybe a safety. I know Rodney Harrison will probably be back, but a season ending injury at his age will probably slow him down quite a bit. I'm thinking someone on defense though that can provide some depth with the insane amount of injuries the Pats racked up this year.

1st round...

LB is my first thought, simply because even though he keeps getting better with age, McGinist isn't getting any younger and with the move of Vrabel to Inside, I could see them going for an OLB.

Saftey might also be a choice, however that depends on how Harrison looks, they still have Eugene Wilson at one safey, I could see them more likely to take a vetran saftey via free agency.

CB is also possible, although Ellis Hobbs really stepped up this year and there is talk of Ty Law wanting to come back to finish with the Pats, Law had like 10 picks last year, but from what I've seen/heard had a horrible year. That being said, he played about 20lbs over his playing weight because he didn't have a full off-season due to injury... I'd take an in shape Ty Law and the Jets will probably cut him, because I think he gets a 10mil bonus?

So yeah, LB (probably OLB) would be my best guess for round #1.

Dark horse, DE, why? If they think they're going to have problems resigning Richard Seymor, they could go for a DE "just in case".

Tony Mandarich.

The Lyle Alzado school of Body Building.

:y: him or Muhammed Abdullah of UK both are great strong safeties.

Ko Simpson! With a name like that he's gotta be a star.

Chad Jackson from Florida will be the best reciever out of the draft, dude has some of the craziest hands I've seen in a while. He'll catch anything

yeah abdullah isn't really anywhere close to being a good safety let alone a great safety

Random bits and pieces

Surprised nobody has mentioned Martz taking the Lions OC job yet. Ok ok so it's the Lions, but still. You have to think he could get at least *some* improvement out of that group.

Bobby Petrino apparently turned down $18m over 5 years to coach the Raiders because his kid didn't want to move. Hire a nanny or something, jeez. Art Shell might be back in the job. Which would be kind of funky.

Houston have taken up the $8m option on Carr. Hellooooo Reggie Bush. Or tradedown, whatever works.

yeah what :eek:

If Martz went to the Lions as the OC, I would just want to die if they didn't make the playoffs within at least three years just on pure offensive potency alone.

So pretty much it's a given..Bush to Houston. Now if they can get some o-lineman, maybe they'll be able to convert some first downs.

Also it looks like Denver is in the front running for TO. Next franchise to be single handedly driven downhill .

Art Shell is the new coach of the Raiders.

He's probably gonna go to Houston

Should we put you on suicide watch now or later

Martz is an "offensive genius" :roll:

Might as well start now so there is a chance to save me. :'(

Who knows, he might turn them around. But Jones, Williams, Rogers and Williams aren't exactly Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Hakim. They really need to fix their O-line up, then maybe they can build something.

Won't matter if they don't have a reliable QB.

Dunno, you could *maybe* compare Harrington to David Carr, I guess, in that his problems are probably all in his head at this point. But yeah I imagine he'd probably love to snag Warner or somebody like that.

Warner should stop running around to take starting jobs at bad gigs, his time is up

When given the ball he's been decent enough, he's just been pushed aside for younger QB's on 3 straight teams now.

So is Alexander a piece of crap for going to the Pro Bowl, doing a bunch of schmoozing with other teams and then sitting out when a guy like Thomas Jones could have played?

So who is the moderator of this forum anyway? That person needs to trade this thread with the NFL 2005 season thread and make this a sticky.

Heard on the radio he signed a 3 year deal with Arizona. Would have thought they would have played that young guy they have.

Mccown. But who knows. I don't really want Warner. But Mccown isn't the answer either. Or maybe he'll be Warner's protege this year. But I think his contract is up. I dunno.

Yeah I think McCown is a FA as well. He'll make a nice backup for someone.

Warner can still be an effective QB.

I agree, but 3 yrs/18 mil is a little over the top at this stage in his career.

Trips :y:

Star Tribune reports that the Vikings are seeking a trade for Daunt, looking for a second round draft pick in return.

Yeah he supposedly asked for like a $10m raise or something ridiculous. Is he in denial about his knee being in pieces or something?

IMHO Warner > McCown btw. McCown reminds me of Plummer with less ability. Then again Ryan Leaf could have a good rating throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald all day.

I dunno, if they can pick up like an Edge James, improve their O-line a bit, and keep their defence healthy, they might make a run at a wild card spot. Adrian Wilson was insane this year, should've gone to the pro bowl.

Looks like that whole 'Ty Law back to the Pats' thing might happen, btw

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2332389

Yeah werent they going to trade their 1st rd draft pick even to try to get a superstar rb?

Ty back on the Pats would be bomb. Hopefully he isn't looking for a huge pay day though, hopefully coming back to a winning team will be pay enough. I mean he already got his huge payday.

I think all Ty cares about is getting paid. He's got his rings.

Ricky Williams has failed a drug test and will be suspended for the 2006 season :)

LOL

Luckily this shit happened before the Broncos traded for him. T.O all the way!

I was reading on Yahoo Sports that it's being reported that Ricky Williams failed another drug test. They are not saying what drug, but either way, what a f*cking idiot.

It's nice when people read the threads

Hey! Have you heard the Arizona Cardinals signed Kurt Warner? :shifty:

You piece of shit.

Wow, i love how tough guys like you can throw out insults like that over the internet. You must feel pretty good right now.

So, i missed that it was posted, big deal. I'm sure out of the 11,000+ posts you've put on this site, you've missed someone's post before. Why don't you contribute to the thread instead of pointing out someone's mistake? Get a life.

So does anyone think the Texans will have the balls to not draft Reggie Bush and actually try to improve their organization or do you think they'll give in to the media hype and waste millions in cap room to have two #1 RB's on their roster?

LOL chill kid

I see the Texans taking Bush myself. I wouldn't...they need a little thing called blocking. I would look to trade down in the draft but I seriously doubt that will happen.

Reggie Bush is gonna need someone like Davis to be succesful. He isn't a 30 carry a game back. He split carries in college, he'll need to split carries in the NFL. Especially if he'll be returning punts, playing in the slot and stuff, would be a lot to ask of him.

I really doubt he'll do any kick returning since Jerome Mathis was a Pro Bowler as a rookie KR this year. Davis isn't a change of pace back like White was at USC. Do they really need to pay over $40 million for 2 part time players?

If they can run the ball, it's more than worth it. Two home-run threats running the ball, splitting carries so you can't wear either of them down? It would really open up the passing game. LOL.

What M I saying, the Texans suck, bro.

And Culpepper wants a guarantee that he will have a home despite his knee injury. Someone needs to show some faith in him. You don't just hang people out to dry like that. "Hurt? Fuck off. :wave:"

Culpepper sucked before that knee injury

The Chargers letting Brees test the market tells me either they are convinced that Rivers is going to be better or Bree's shoulder is seriously destroyed and rather then see him go all Pennington on them, they'll take there chances with Rivers.

Marty Schottenheimer simply cannot get a team over the top.

Like Dungy?

There's some kind of technicality which means they can't apply one of the tags to him, I think. I've probably got this wrong but best as I can remember they can't transition him since they franchised him last year, and if they transitioned him this he would be making less money than he did last year, which there's some sort of clause to prevent.

Something like that.

Well I think the Chargers are going to see what other teams are willing to offer for Brees then match it probably. Unless they know something we don't know about his shoulder. They could put the franchise tag on them if they wanted but I don't think they want to do it again because it would be around 10 million dollars for a guy with a bum shoulder.

AJ said they set their price. And if another team matches/exceeds it then CYA LATER, and if no team matches... HELLO DREW "BACKUP" BREES!

I doubt they have really set their price, they are probably just saying that. I bet they just don't see anyone giving Brees 10 million a year, which is what he will get if they franchise him, so they'll wait for somebody else to offer him something then sign him if they think its worth it. Brees and his agent probably think they get more or a long term deal since hes has had 2 good years but nobody will do that because of what happened. Especially after this Chad Pennington stuff going on. Either way Chargers have a pretty good insurance plan in Rivers, he's never been a starter in the NFL but Carson Palmer wasn't a starter when he was named the starter either.

Brees going to Oakland maybe?

On one hand, Brees to Moss.

On the other hand, Brees to Moss for 5 yards because Brees has a dead shoulder. :(

Well if Brees can come back and be somewhat like he was before, he may be able to do something in Oakland.

Lamont Jordan isn't too shabby, Randy Moss isn't bad either when he feels like playing. I don't know about their offensive line but they have Joey Porter too, he is alright. Might be able to do something with that, because Kerry Collins is not a franchise QB at this point in his career.

I don't know though, all depends on how well he comes back from his injury.

I would love to see Brees go to Oakland and tear up the Chargers every year though, because I have a friend who is a diehard Chargers fan.

Moss plays as long as his teammates play. He will be amazing if he has a QB who can throw it deep. If Brees can't... Moss is going to be forced to play shallow, where he's not at his best.

And Collins made Moss look like he was past his prime. That's annoying... but it would be great if we could get Moss back. Moss/Nate/K-Rob... unstoppable. :love:

I heard Cris Carter and Robert Smith were free. Maybe they'll come back too

Well the Jets cut Ty Law. Is the stuff about going back to the Patriots true at all, if not Giants could look at him :shifty:

Chiefs

I really want to make some crack about Palmer's knee, but I can't. :(

I thought the Patriots might interested in Law, but hes still asking for a lot of money so its doubtful. I figured he would have been happy taking a ton of money one year, then going back to a winning team for a little bit of a pay cut.

What are you talking about? HE GOT TEN PICKS IN 05!

:lol:

He's kind of dumb isn't he? I love that guy.

Nah I like him. I'd really like to see him back and play for the Patriots. He didn't burn any bridges or anything when he left, so theres still a chance I guess. I just heard hes asking for 10 mil up front, then 7 mil a year. Or maybe the other way around but either way its a lot of money for a cornerback, especially in the NFL now. Cornerbacks arent as valueable because they don't shit to the WR without getting a flag.

My point is, he was a nickel back at best in 05, but got lots of picks despite being horrible in coverage. He'd be great in a cover 2 defense I would imagine, but if he's showing his age, it's time he stopped trying to "man up."

Getting 10 picks on a lottery team despite giving up lots of TDs means dick.

He was way over his playing weight last season too though. I think it was because he didn't really get train in the offseason due to his injuried foot. I know he didn't play very well, but he couldn't have been THAT horrible if he had 10 picks and made the Probowl. Sure he wasn't his oldself, but its not like he was playing like Duane Starks out there or something.

LOL@Starks

But yea he played all right, but 10 mil all right? Not really.

Maybe he'd be a hot safety, though.

I hope Duane Starks is the started for the Pats when the Colts play them next year. I mean thats like spotting us 14 points right there.

Law probably got a lot of picks because teams weren't afraid to throw at/over/by him

Oh yeah

Reggie Wayne got a new 6 year deal

Steve Hutchinson got transition tagged

Nate Clements got franchised

Deshaun Foster got transitioned (though I agree with the theory that they're just using that for insurance if they can't get Alexander)

That's not happening, since he just got cut.

Dat Nguyen retired. DrA :'(

Detroit suddenly has about $11m extra cap space due to not having to make an incentive payment to Shaun Rogers. Hello LeCharles Bentley.

Vince Young scored a 6 on the wonderlic :$

Just curious where you read about Shaun Rogers? I was looking around trying to find it with no luck. Did he have an incentive in his contract that he didn't meet?

Yeah I have to admit I forgot where I initially saw it, had to dig around

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9264898

"In 2004, the Lions tied Rogers' playtime bonus to 2005 instead of the more conventional 2006 way just in case of the unlikely event that there was no extension to the collective bargaining agreement. Now there is no extension -- and no extension in sight -- but the Lions are in a position every team wishes it were."

<font color=goldenrod>Random Giants news:

-Brent Alexander retired, which kind of sucks considering he was the Giants' leader in pickoffs in 05...hopefully Shaun Williams can go back to old form in '06.

-Jeff Feagles is mulling retirement, but the Giants really want him to stay and they are considering letting Feagles skip practice to spend time with his family in Arizona during the week.

-Barrett Green and Jason Whittle were also released. Green was a waste of money...and Whittle isn't a huge loss, though his versatility made him a great backup option on the O-Line.

-I would not be shocked at all to see the Giants take a run at Ty Law. I'd gladly take him now that Clements was tagged.

-The team is working on a long term deal with WR/special teamer David Tyree. He's a very valuable asset.

-One last bit of news, apparently the Giants had a long talk with some guy named Ngata who is entering the draft. He is a DT and is like 335 pounds or something. Huge guy who can clog up the line...though I don't know much about him and picking a DT with the #1 pick doesn't seem like the best idea after William Joseph in 2003</font>

Doubt Ngata would fall to the Giants

God I'm missing NFL football so much right now already. The wait is too fucking long until the next season. :(


Not even Madden is helping. How do you quench your football thirst?