MMA Thread
 

so seems there a quite a few mma fans here

instead of using old topics maybe we can keep this one up to discuss anything mma, trade videos, event/dvd reviews whatever..

pretty funny story

Heath Herring (Pictures) will no longer have to add a disqualification loss to the indignity of being kissed on the lips by Yoshihiro Nakao (Pictures).

Japanese fight promotion HERO's announced on its Web site Monday that because both Herring and Nakao committed fouls — Nakao's kiss and Herring's subsequent knockout punch before the opening bell — the event's rule director, Hajime Isono, revised the official result from a Herring DQ to No Contest.

Prior to the start of their New Year's Eve bout, Nakao inexplicably kissed Herring on the lips as they received final instructions in the center of the ring. The 27-year-old American responded with the now-infamous right hook and clipped Nakao's jaw, dropping him on the spot.

Seeing Nakao fail to recover sufficient enough to fight, HERO's ruled Herring's actions warranted his disqualification. (credit sherdog.com)


i was wondering where herring was, i think the ufc needs to try and bring him in.

How can they? Guys in Japan have massive contracts and aside from Rampage, none of them are near coming up for renewal.

I've never seen PRIDE. Whats the difference between them and UFC?

PRIDE is basicaly the UFC of Japan. it is huge over their. some differences are pride uses a ring instead of the octagon, elbows are not allowed but stomping a down opp is. 1 10 min round 2 five opposed to three 5 in the ufc. many fighters have fought in both pride and ufc. pride also does tournament stlye events along with regular cards.

if your into the ufc i suggest picking up a few pride dvd's. ill post some good ones later on

And in comparison in terms of size, Pride is the WWF to UFC being between WCW in it's worse days and ECW in it's best.

Fedor Emelianenko> Everyone in the world.

Who could possibly dethrone that fucking monster? Any guesses?

The Hulk maybe. Nobody under 8ft tall and human though.

Pretty sure Fedor would ground and pound the Hulk and beat him via tko due to cut.

Hulk doesn't bleed does he?

Fedor will make him bleed, whether he bleeds or not.

Fedor Emelianenko is a fucking beast.

I just recently started watching pride, with the internet and so forth. But I've seen a ton of fights, particularly of Fedor's. Man I love watching him pound the fuck out of Noguiera in the first fight of theirs, simply because their was so much tension, and fucking Bas Rutten was like "Omfg if he stays on the ground he's gonna get caught in a submission because Minotauro has beaten everyone" and Fedor wouldlike let Nog put him in a submission, and breakit at will, and hit him in the face 3 times for good measure. Glorious fight :cool:

Could someone please tell me the name of his theme music :(

if your getting into PRIDE they have 2 sets out. one is pride 1-5 the other 6,7,8,9,11. they are only like 25 bucks each. alot of the fights suck but there are some real good one. also a 3rd set is coming march 21(?) i think, its 12,13,14,15,16. good price for the history aspect of it alone

UFC 58 - MARCH 4TH AT MANDALAY BAY, LAS VEGAS NEVADA

Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau (Middleweight Title)

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre (Welterweights)

Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio (Welterweights)

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick (Lightweights)

Mike Swick vs. Steve Vigneault (Middleweights)

Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout (Lightweights)

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen (Middleweights)

Jason Lambert vs. Rob MacDonald (Light Heavyweights)

Tom Murphy vs. Christophe Midoux (Heavyweig

thats the official card as per mmaweekly.com


Yves Edwards :D :D

Penn vs. St. Pierre is by far the most intriguing. It's really a tough call on who is going to win. Does Georges have what it takes? it's a tough call really, but since he's repping Canada I'm gonna say he'll win.

2 names you type in if you go to google video or youtube. Fedor Emelianenko, or Takanori Gomi.

2 best pound for pound fighters in the world. Well Fedor isn't even the best pound for pound, he is just the best everything fighter.

Is UFC making up a new lightweight division? Don't know if i like the idea of yet another belt being made up.

I think they should. What's the point in having the division without a championship belt?

Jens Pulver will definitely be the champ. Noone else in America can compete with him.

I jus think it kinda waters down the competition. They should keep it how it is.

Not really. The lightweights are incredible fighters, lightning quick, and powerful as well. Takanori Gomi fucking hits like he's 225, except he's 160

Can't wait for UFC 58. Both main event fights should be incredible. I just hope we get a solid fight out of Franklin/Louiseau that doesn't end really quick because of a cut (i.e. I hope Louiseau uses more skill than elbow).

if you've seen Gomi, Pulver, Yves ect. i bet you would think different

Man, I like Louiseaux and everything, he's a very skilled fighter, but he isn't that special. Franklin will probably win via dominating for 3 rounds.

sorry 5

Although I'll go with Franklin, I don't think Louiseau will be dominated at all.

Louiseaux is not as exciting as he's billed ot be though. I like him, he is explosive when he wants to be, but I've seen him mail it in before. I was watching this fight in TKO and he won the first 2 rounds with some half decent ground and pound, and in the third round literally danced for 5 minutes, it was fucking awful. And he also has lost to Jorge Rivera, who was not what I would call impressive against Chris Leben. Louiseaux is good, but he's not near the next level. I mean fuck look at who he's beat, there was the one jobber in his first fight that I didn't see, and there was Charles McCarthy...who the fuck is Charles McCarthy?

I'm not discrediting the guy, he is really acrobatic, and he can be devestating, but he is not an elite guy and I think Franklin will more than likely take him to school. If Franklin doesn't, I think Franklin should watch out for Leben or Cote, because fuck...those are 2 heavy hitters that could run the division given the chance.

Franklin very nearly lost to Rivera as well. He managed to pull off a submission in the final round, but it was close.

PRIDE is on best damn sports show all this week on fox sports

Yeah I know about that...it's kind of wierd to think how easily he was brushed off by Leben. I think Chris should fight the loser of this one to put him in line for a title fight, because he is hard as fuck.

i cant wait for 58. i see gsp over bj and ace stopping the crow. yves is the man but i dont know about his opp. so i cant realy say.

Nathan Marquardt vs. Joe Doerksen can be a great fight also, i think i like Doerksen here.

i realy looking foward to seeing swick, real good hands.

as much as i dont like him diego is good, real good. another w for him

I think Franklin wins it in the 1st round, late by KO. Yea Diego looks like the real deal..can't wait to see him against guys like GSP, Hughes, if it gets to that point.

I'm sold on Diego. He is definately the real deal when he can wrestle and throw super fast elbows on the ground.

Joe Rogan can kill you.

http://www.break.com/movies/roganfaint.html

david loiseau is a good fighter and that's not a fight I'd wanna put money on. I'd still bet on Franklin if I had to but I don't doubt loiseau can pull that one off. I don't know if GSP can win against Penn but it would definitely be a good match.

I prefer GSP but I'm betting on BJ Penn.

Diaz/Sherk rumored at ufc 59. Bad matchup for Diaz to break out of a losing streak , Sherk is similiar to Sanchez' game, Diaz will have to keep it standing up.

In case anyone was wondering, Fedor's badass entrance theme is Ennae Volare Mezzo by Era.

I got from a UFC fan article.

Georges St. Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
The prodigy vs Rush. This one is going to be the one to watch. Not just because it is a lead up to something, but because both fighters have something to prove. Rush is trying to prove she should face Matt Hughes again for a belt after a defeat, and Penn is trying to prove he should face Hughes again after he left the belt and beat Hughes. Can Rush beat one of the few men to have made Hughes Tap? I think he can. I am going out on a limb and saying that GSP will TKO or KO Penn. Why? Well when you look at the numbers you will see that GSP is actually better on paper for stats. He has lost one fight and that was to Hughes. He has thrown down with some big wigs and he takes them out by tap or KO . Penn has a great record as well, but he has left more guys loss up to a judge than GSP and even his wins were not entirely one sided recently. Okay, so you have to beat the man to be the man, and Penn has beat the man, but GSP has some speed and youth on his side. Penn has never faced as unorthodox a fighter as GSP as well. I am saying GSP will beat Penn?70/30 chance of that happening. Still close, but GSP to win?quote me on that!

All this GSP talk is making me think Penn will win even more.

UFC: All Access
 

Well im seeing this on the Spike Tv commercial... UFC: All Access... I see Rachelle leah is the host of this show? and it will feature the great fighter - it says here - http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=2258 - well after Franklin i hope they would feature Couture (after all he has retired, but he made a mark on UFC) Gracie, Penn, Etc..

I just saw the Penn/Hughes fight for the first time today. I'm officially like 10x more excited about Penn/GSP now. I can't help but be a fan of both, though I'm a fan of Hughes as well. I guess its a win/win/win situation for me. Either way it goes, these 3 guys are going to be at the top of the division for a while.

It's a tough call really. If St. Pierre doesn't go in there trying to ko Penn and make him look like an ass I think he can win. If he goes in too agressive, Penn will make him pay. He has to be smart in this situation, wait to get into his groove if you will, or else Penn is going to tap him out.

I rate both fighters hightly but I seriously believe a lot of people are underestimating Penn. I did it when he fought Matt Hughes and there's no way I'll make the same mistake twice.

I'm in no way under-estimating Penn, it's a 50/50 chance...Penn is one hard motherfucker...he lost a questionable decision to Ryoto Machida, in a fucking heavyweight fight. I saw that fight, and that was a draw at best for Machida, and Machida has stopped Franklin and Bonnar at 205.

Also he handled Gomi with ease a few years back, I mean he left Gomi a bloody mess, and absolutely dominated him all over the place, standing, ground, submissions...everying. And there's the obvious assraping of Matt Hughes, where he made Hughes look like he should be fighting prelims for the ufc nevermind being their welterweight champion.

But St. Pierre is a dominant force...sure he lost to Hughes, but he's gotten about a billion times better since then, and in that fight he was dominating until Hughes got lucky. It is really intriguing, and I think both guys should be very weary of both men's abilities to end a fight. Look at St. Pierre's last 3 fights as well; absolute dominance of that Mayhem Miller guy, which you could tell Georges was half asleep for. He then proceeded to make Frank Trigg look like he's never trained for a fight in his life, and dominated him more than Matt Hughes ever did. Lastly there was his fight with Sean Sherk, who is no slouch either, and George absolute made mincemeat out of him. You could hear Sherk groan when Georges broke his nose.

These are two extremely, extremely bad dudes going up against one another. It is a 50/50 chance for either, but I'm going to go with Georges, just because I want him to win, to represent Canada, plus I want guys to come over from Japan to fight St. Pierre, for some new exciting Welterweight fights. If Penn wins and beats Hughes, we're basically in the same situation we were a few years back.

Mind you I am a new MMA fan, but with the power of Google video and Youtube, as well as UFC Unleashed, I know my shit and have seen A LOT of fights.

I agree , I jus think it might be GSP's time to shine, and this could be the first step towards a rematch with Hughes.

Well seems like GSP and Penn is the highlight of UFC:58 :)

Is it just me or... Is Diego taking a step down in competition? HE beat Nick Diaz at the second finale now he gets Alessio at 58. Thats what i dont like about the whole canada vs usa thing. They seem to have made forced bouts. Diego should be fighting Sherk imo.

They should have done the PPV in Montreal. That's the only bad thing I can say about it.

Oh man, it'd be electric if St. Pierre took on Penn in Montreal. Same for Loiseaux vs. Franklin

Here is an interview of Loiseau about the UFC:58 USA vs Canada. - http://video.ufc.tv/canadatour.wmv - just a short clip of the interview.

You know it. It was pretty friggin good in London where MMA wasn't even known at the time and aside from Ian Freeman, nobody outside hardcore MMA fans had even remotely heard of any British fighters.

What's the situation with Lee Murray anyways, has he recovered yet? I've never seen him fight, but I've seen pictures, and he's one hard looking motherfucker.

Oh dude he is sooo bad ass.

Basically he is out of hospital after being stabbed in the heart. And I don't know how the fuck he managed this but he is actually in training for a fight. I think around April but not too sure. UFC are dying to get him back but he can't get into the U.S

http://www.onzuka.com/Photos/Lee%20Murray.jpg

fuck I would not mess with him.

I left the UFC after party in London like 45 minutes before him and Tito fought in the streets. My mates were calling me the next day and were like "oh Lee knocked out Tito Ortiz! it was fucking ruuuuuuuuuude!!!!". Me - :(

Why did shit start between them, what was the story?/what happened in the fight aside from Murray koing Ortiz?

I don't know the details really. I've heard plenty of stories but I only go by what my friends told me since they were there. They said Lee was totally sober and Tito was kinda drunk and it was a joke that got out of hand so they went outside to fight (both in dress shoes and trousers) and Lee unloaded kinda on the blind side and KO'd Tito.

Edit - And when I say KO, it was like he knocked him down and then people pulled him away and picked Tito up.

well it's still impressive being that Tito has quite a bit of weight on him.

Yeah but on the flip side, any sober man who fights for a living could probably KO a bigger fighter who is drunk.

Depends how drunk he was lol

^^^ this is tonight at 10pm on Spike Tv.

Franklin is a beast, and that girl was hot

Yeah Franklin was intense.

Bonnar vs. Jardine at the next Ultimate Fight Night. That'll be a good one, both are pretty aggressive and like to bang.

Oh and PRIDE Unbreakable is on tonight, not gonna watch it though :(, it'll probably be pretty decent, tons of mismatches.

That All Access last thursday, I couldn't place where I had seen his house and gym before. It was on the Beyond the Glory special Franklin was in.

Can't wait for the The Crow vs Ace fight on March 4... Also the Penn vs. GSP will be great for sure.

I had my DVR set to record the Pride shows on FSN. I usually only see one pop up on the list evey few weeks, but I checked my recorded shows for the week and there were like 5 or 6 on this week. Sweet!

Rich Franklin Vs. David Loiseau
On paper this one looks great. Franklin and Loiseau should be neck and neck with Rich ahead by a bit. But you have the X factors. First off Rich has a heavy fist and looks for the Ko, David is more prone to being fluid and trying to submit or KO the guy. Rich is a dirty boxer with good striking skills but fairly run of the mill. David is way out of left field with his tactics and Rich has never faced someone like this. I am not going to guess on this one outright. I would say that if David comes with his uniquely his A game he has a 70% chance of getting Rich. But my gut is going with Rich on this one. I would say he is about a 60/40 favorite to win.

Odds on Loiseau right now are +230, that sounds like a pretty good bet just on the chance he might land some elbows and win with a stoppage. Very tempted.

I find GSP vs. BJ Penn to be the far more intriguing fight myself.

Why the hell isn't Babalu getting a title shot yet..he's scheduled to fight in UFC 60..but it ain't Lidell! I wonder who Chuck's next opponent will be then.

Im really waiting for the GSP vs Penn in this fight... It will be one hell of a night... cuz I think the GSP - Penn fight will be the the fight of the night.

Why isn't it Babalu then?

Man, did anyone watch the Mark Hunt fight at Pride 31? fuck that guy can entertain. Can't wait for him to fight fedor...he'll lose but it'll be a good fight if/when it happens.

I'll go Franklin over Crow but like others said i wouldn't be so suprised if the crow go it.

BJ over GSP altho GSP is the mofoin MAN.

Sanchez vs Alessio is CANCELLED. Due to illness concerning Sanchez.

Another fight is cancelled Florian vs Stout. Florian is complaining about his back pains in this past few weeks so UFC cancelled the fight. Anyway at least the 2 main bouts are still in there. The bets on GSP vs Penn are equal.

Are we doing predictions for the show?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F1jJZIwJ_...huck%20liddell

Liddell/Couture III for those who haven't seen it yet

lol does anyone think it's a bad omen for Forrest Griffin that they're calling UFC: 59, where he's headlining against Tito, "Reality Check". Whatever, he has it in him to win, so we'll wait and see.

PREDICTIONS TONIGHT:

crow vs. ace- I like both guys, and I'm pulling for the Crow, but if I bet, I'd bet on Franklin. He's just the better fighter, and I have a strong feeling he's going to prove it tonight. I give this fight to Franklin in a 3rd round ko, in a hard fought struggle. Though Crow (hopefully) could catch him with one of those shredding elbows and take it on the cut, which would be awesome lol.

Penn vs. Georges- man I've got no idea really, I wanna say Georges because I like him...but fuckit, this is BJ Penn we're talking about. I'm gonna say Penn, 2nd round chokeout :(, but hopefully Georges can get on top and deliver those elbows all them Canadians like to do.

Stout vs. Fisher- seen one fight of both of these guys, and I'm going to go with Stout, because he's got hands of stone apparently lol.

Swick vs. Vigneault- Swick for sure...never seen Vigneault fight, but apparently he's a legend in Montreal, but IMO they're gonna feed Swick cans for a while to protect him, so I predict another quick first round ko done in Swick fu fashion and he'll get his rematch with Leben at some point.

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick- I remember seeing Edwards fight once, he seemed like a badass so I'll go with him...lol

fuck doing anything else, no other fights really mean anything.

Franklin v. Louiseau
I'm predicting a new champ tonight. The Crow wins by ref stoppage (blood) in the 4th round. Franklin will have a very hard time not getting cut in this one. He'll probably be cut by the 2nd round and will try to fight with it as long as he can. I don't see Louiseau being able to finish Franklin, but in the 4th the cut will just be too much. The only reason I really wouldn't mind a blood stoppage in this one, is because that almost garauntees a rematch.

GSP v. BJ Penn
Submission in the 2nd round is a pretty good bet, but as I'm typing I still haven't decided who I expect to win. They are both going to come out agressive in the first and will probably use a LOT of energy doing so. I expect one of them to be pretty tired into the 2nd and make a mistake that the other will capitalize on. If it were just this fight, I'd rather see GSP win, but since its basically a number one contender match, it makes things different. I'd kinda like to see Penn win simply to put to rest the arguments about him being the true champ and whatnot. He'd have a rematch with Hughes and they could settle it all.

GSP/Hughes coming soon! Penn kinda let off after busting up GSP..I guess he thought that alone would get him a win? Glad GSP won, he went all out .

I wish GSP/Penn hadn't gone to a decision. There are way too many people trying to discredit GSP for that victory. It was a great fight, and I think the decision was spot on.

All I can say about Franklin/Louiseau is "ouch."

Shit, I missed this PPV. Who won between Rich and the Crow?

Franklin by unanimous decision

GSP over BJ by decision, gets rematch against Hughes

The judges score for the Franklin/Crow fight were 50-43, 50-42, 50-42. Franklin dominated.

From UFC.com


The unanimous five round decision read 50-42 twice and 50-43 for Franklin, who defended his crown for the second time and did it with a broken left hand - and possibly a broken foot and right hand - from the second round on.

“It’s the first fight where I’ve gone to a decision, so I’m very displeased with myself,” said Franklin, who could now be dubbed ‘The Punisher’ after his dominating performance.

Kicking was the weapon of choice early on. Loiseau missed his first high kick, but landed his second, producing nary a pause from Franklin, who responded with a kick of his own that was in turn answered by ‘The Crow’. Both decided to test their hands moments later, and though Loiseau’s handspeed was superior, it was Franklin who jarred the challenger and sent him sprawling into the fence briefly. Loiseau answered with a flush shot of his own, but Franklin took it well. With under 1:30 to go, Franklin picked up his pace a bit, though many of his shots were deflected or avoided by Loiseau. The respect both fighters had for each other was obvious though, and it appeared that the combatants were settling in for a long battle, something that almost didn’t happen when Franklin put Loiseau on the deck at the bell with a right to the jaw.

Looking to follow-up on his good fortune from the previous round, Franklin aggressively pursued Loiseau, who refused to engage when the champion attacked. Loiseau then suffered a delayed reaction to a punch from Franklin and the champ pounced and put the challenger on the mat. Once the two rose, Loiseau, with a nasty knot over his right eye and a bloody nose, was even less amenable to trading with the champ, even turning his back on Franklin on a few occasions. With under two minutes left, Franklin continued to dominate from corner to corner as Loiseau’s legs didn’t even seem to want to hold him anymore. With less than 30 seconds left, Franklin went for the finish, slamming Loiseau and pounding him, but the bell intervened.

Loiseau opened up with some kicks to start the third round and make a charge for the title, but again it was Franklin with a quick takedown that turned into a sequence where he got Loiseau’s back and looked to end the bout. ‘The Crow’ survived, but when he rose, the knot over his right eye worsened and he was cut over both eyes. After the doctor allowed the fight to continue, Loiseau finally struck paydirt, knocking Franklin to the mat with a left hook and suddenly putting the Cincinnati native in trouble.

“I wasn’t hurt, I wanted to create a little drama,” joked Franklin. “That’s a lie. Dave clipped me.”

Franklin was able to buy some time along the fence though, and he again put it on the Montreal native, whose face was battered beyond recognition. Loiseau, who was obviously having trouble seeing, started to paw with his arm to at least touch Franklin and know where he was, undoubtedly a bad sign, but he was able to survive the third stanza.

At the start of the fourth, the two combatants again touched gloves, this time even smiling at each other in appreciation of the courage both were showing. By the end of the opening minute, Franklin again got Loiseau’s back and battered the courageous Canadian, who refused to give in. A slam by ‘Ace’ at the three minute mark didn’t help matters, and referee John McCarthy was watching the fight closely, but when Loiseau rose, he was ready to fight again. Franklin, way ahead at this point, took the pace back a bit as looked to reload his guns for another run in the final round.

Far behind, Loiseau went for broke in the fifth, still throwing leg kicks with brutal power. Franklin was just too strong at this point in the fight, and he easily took ‘The Crow’ down again. Loiseau tried to fight his way out of trouble, but Franklin put him right back in a precarious spot and got his back once again – usually a sure way to end a fight, but it was as if Loiseau got it in his head that he would not give in at any cost.

He didn’t. And even though he lost his fight for the UFC middleweight title, David Loiseau definitely earned the crown as the toughest fighter in the world.

UFC's Best of 2005 is on tonight on Spike TV at 6 pm.

Quote of the night on the ppv during the Crow/Ace fight .."After watching something like this, I don't see how anybody can go back to watching baseball." -Joe Rogan

I watched GSP vs. Penn and crow vs. ace on Youtube since I'm brokeass. Anyways, I'd give GSP the victory because Penn didn't do shit after the first round to win the fight, and GSP did amazingly to recover from the thumb to the eye/barrage by Penn.

Man, Franklin is just a machine, insanely well conditioned...shows that they weren't bullshitting on All Access. Mad props to Loiseau though, he hung in there and did everything within his power to win the fight...he never quit even though it was apparent after the second round it wasn't going to be his night, and he battled through his eyes swelling like biatches. But man, Ace is dommmmmmmmmminant, it's scary. Wanna see him fight Henderson real badly.

post the you tube fights here :'(

k

Penn vs. Pierre pt. I- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMIwr...earch=UFC%2058

Penn vs. Pierre pt. II- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YipvX...earch=UFC%2058

Penn vs. Pierre pt. III- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD5bv...earch=UFC%2058

Franklin Loiseau pt. I- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6wG...earch=UFC%2058

Franklin Loiseau pt. II- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAyrW...earch=UFC%2058

Penn seemed quite bitter about the loss. His team were moaning about GSP's face. Obviously Penn couldn't have landed 2 good shots and busted him up in the first and then get dominated in the second and third rounds now could he? GSP deseved the win big time.

David Loiseau didn't even show up to fight. Franklin looked like a freak on a leash coming into the octogon. He looks unbeatable at 185lbs.

Penn was pretty gracious I thought, he was disappointed and it was a close fight, so I don't think he was out of line or anything.

Oh and Rob, The Crow could barely see. He still went on and had flurries of good offence. Nothing like Rich, but he showed up, he was just blind for a lot of the fight. He got beat, but don't say he was a no show.

mma fears dane pender

Yeah I feel bad for Penn, but he didn't do anything of note in the 2nd and 3rd, and really, if you think about it, his main offense was all caused by the thumb to the eye.

He was pretty gracious/bitter. I think he just hates judges, so it pissed him off, be he respects GSP so he gave him credit where credit was due.