You think WWE has crossed the line w/ Eddie? I think it will get worse.
 

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Posted by Steve Carrier on 02/10/2006 at 08:09 PM

Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

During the Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Oront match that will take place on February 19, in Baltimore, at No Way Out, its being reported that Vickie Guerrero and her daughters will be at ringside during the match.

Reports indicate that there is some major heat within the WWE about this decision made. It really isn't a huge surprise as many in the company felt the writing team's decision to allow Randy Orton to refer to Eddie Guerrero as being in "hell" crossed the line big time.

Its was reported earlier that currently all the creative ideas have been mainly created by Vince McMahon himself, but it may have been possible for the writing team to actually have came up with this idea.

Ortons gonna RKO his daughter

That all? I was betting on him screaming "Your daddy was a no good druggie who's in hell." At his daughters, and then violating Vickie.

Of course, in a swerve, Vickie will than cost Rey the match, side with Orton, and reveal that while Eddie was fighting for custody of Dominic, she was seeing Randy, who is actually the father of all of Eddie's children.

And then Chris Benoit,Chavo,and Rey will all Quit

Also Randy Orton will be killed by everyone in the crowd

There is a simple concept to solve all of this. Just have Taco Bell come out with a new 10 layer burrito. Each layer will represent Guerrero's trials and tribulations of life. Call it the Latino Heat. Then move on.

So I guess the next step in the feud is to just have Orton say he murdered Eddie.

With out this angle none of us would even be mentioning Eddie Guerrero, So I suppose I won't gripe.

After Fucking his wife right in front of him

Not even Kurt Angle cancels this pathetic shit out. Seriously, this is just pathetic. I am not watching SmackDown! anymore (well, I actually have only seen 1 episode the in the past 12 months and that was the one where Angle won the World Title). Yeah, in the big schemes of things one viewer doesn't mean shit, but all I can really do to voice my opinions in a way Vince understands is to not watch. However, I can tell you I am not alone. I have several friends who quit watching SmackDown! because they found it pathetic aswell.

Honestly, let Eddy Guerrero be remembered for his amazing abilities in the ring and his amazing story out of it. Let him rest in piece and let his family heal. This isn't letting his wife, kids, or close friends heal. If the only way Randy Orton can get heat other than "X-Pac Heat" is to make a mockery of a man's death who helped paved the way for where Randy Orton is today, then his overrated ass needs to be in the midcard not main eventing WrestleMania and taking away the shot of a man who has earned his shot to be handed the ball. Randy got handed the ball and got screwed over, but that is a whole new topic. If this mini-fued between Randy and Rey is going to boil down to Randy being a pathetic human being and being so much of a yes-man as to make such tasteless ways to get heat then WWE is in deep shit (moreso than it already is). Yes, sometimes you have to work with what cards you are dealt, but WWE needs to reconsider how they play their hands.

Before anybody says it, yes I hate Randy Orton.

Kinda sucks that Orton has to be the messenger of so much cheap heat; that people will "hate" him over some bullshit, instead of him generally being an asshole (ala HHH).

But really, word is that Vince and Stephanie are insisting on some of the shittiest ideas that have passed through WWE as of late. Are they THAT much out of touch with the wrestling fans?

Just for the record, I have always hated Randy Orton.

You know, I wonder how Randy feels about this. Knowing his reputation of being a cocky ass hole, I'm sure he's not too upset over it, but it just seems like every time you think the WWE has hit a new low, they find new ways to detonate rock bottom and make it deeper.

:nono:

And I wouldn't be surprised if Orton DID do something like RKO Vickie.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vickie sided with ORton :foc:

Vince believes the reason why the atticude era was so popular was because people talked about and where shocked by his storylines. So he is trying to do the same thing again.

Vince is and has been for along time been out of tune with what the modern fan wants.

Why doesn't Eddie/Eduardo Guerrero have a death certificate? I though legally you had to have one.

Anyone think Rey could win this?

I just can't see this happening:

VINCE: Uh...yeah Vicki, could you and the kids be at Ringside at No Way Out so Randy can beat Rey and make fun of Eddie to your face?

More like:

TAZZ: Oh my god! Rey Mysterio just squashed Randy Orton for Eddie Guerrero's family. Finally retribution...

How do you know he dosnt have a death certificate?

You can look them up on family tracers.

They haven't updated it probably.

Why not? Everyone else who "loved" him has shit on his legacy...

Here's a thought:

How the FUCK would you legally require someone to have a death certificate? What's the punishment?

I guess, I thought it was just for recording sakes

It is, but if you'd ever had a loved one die, you'd pretty much know how much of a hassle it can be if they don't actually die IN the hospital. Beyond that, those record searches are far from perfect and aren't guaranteed to find everyone, especially the recently dead.

Besides, what did they do, convince several newsapers that Eddie was dead, using one of the juniors who keeled over the night before as proof? Convince his family to lie, fake what looked convincingly like real emotion, all for a swerve where he returns?

It seems a VERY long shot I agree, but until this fued is over, I'll be keeping it in mind.

If that would be the case then the WWE fans would buy it.

There would be even bigger Eddie pops then before.

Would be even greater if it would lead to another WWE title reign for Eddie.

It's never going to happen, but it would be a mark out moment.

I didn't really mind the fact that they mentioned Eddie's name, i know they are over using it and they should let Eddie R.I.P and with the burn in hell part the WWE did cross the line imo, but Orton is really getting to me, i'm really starting to dig him lately.

There body gets dug up and left on a highway if they dont post it. I guess that would be a punishment

I wouldn't be surprised there to be a scene where orton is beating up eddie in his coffin.

From PWTorch:

There currently seems to be talks about having some 'special' effects take place during the Rey Mysterio vs Randy Orton match at No Way Out. The idea being tossed around is to have the lights go on and off during that match. Is this a possible sign from Eddie or from someone else like the Undertaker?


BTW, I don't want to start shit with any of you, but I'm on the opposite side of this angle that most of you are on....Some of my other 'net' friends and I have been arguing with others over this for weeks now, and it eventually just gets sickening. Everyone has their opinion over this.

He's a Mexican, he'd simply die the way he lived...:shifty:

Give him a bag of oranges to "sell....."

I could never exploit someones death for money. Thats such a terrible thing to do.

This is patheic by WWE they are acting like Eddies dead in just a storyline sense like they did with Al Wilson.

Everyone would watch the first SD! to see if it was true, then ratings would PLUMIT!!

Vince = :n:

Rey won't quit, he's just as much to blame for this shit as anyone by going through with the angle. Fuck him. Rey is almost as bad as Cindy Sheehan, using someone's death to get over.

Yeah, one's doing it for money, the other's doing it to get our soldiers out of danger. What selfish fucks, they're just alike!

:nono:

I wonder what storyline Vince would use if Stephanie all of a sudden got killed. He'd probably use it to make Shane world champ.

It's a tough call, whether his love of shitty storylines and money would outsell what little family respect he has...

I don't think having a monument being built for you and not your son is helping any soilders

they will bury Eddie at Mania.
until then, piss on his dead lifeless corpse (shit in his bag).

it's WWE style. Flog a dead horse.

So you're saying she comissioned the piece? That's rather out of keeping with reality, but why let reality get in the way of a good rant?

(Also, ignore the fact that it leasts over 2 dozen names of the deceased on it, it certainly would bring no attention to them or the plight of soldiers).

A special Latino Heat KKK'ing.
 

Hey I'm just saying what JBL told me.

Always a good way to go. I always trust a guy who bitches about how he's not allowed to honor his religion, then goes out of his way to violate the First Comandment.

You know, I just really don't get this. It's almost like Vince is trying to make us buy this as a work. I really find it hard to believe that Vickie and the girls would really come to NWO just to see Orton make fun of Eddie.

Whats next have a masked man come out pretend to be eddie,and when the mask is pulled off the person will have make up to look like Eddie

Orton will be in the ring on SD after NWO and Eddie's theme will hit. Out will come a guy in a Guerrero mask and an I'm Your Papi shirt and get in the ring with Orton. Everyone will be booing thinking Orton's hired somebody to mock Eddie.

Then the masked man will reveal himself to be... EDDIE GUERRERO! He'll beat the crap out of Orton then address the crowd.

"Orale bato, everybody has been saying since November that Eddie Guerrero is dead... THEY LIED! VIVA LA RAZA!"

Then they'll make an Eddie Guerrero "I will not die!" shirt, and Matt Hardy will be screwed out of a gimmick.

It could happen... :shifty:

If Eddie came back, it'd be the last time I watched WWE for a long time.

I'd Mark out

Fuck him, and fuck Chavo, Joey Styles, Benoit, and others who also remember Eddie in their matches, or is it just Rey that we're shitting on for doing that?

With all due respect, that's hypocrite talk right there.

No, I have zero issue with remembering Eddie. Chavo doing the frogsplash is something I love, them preserving Eddie's legacy is something that a man such as he deserves. I think remembering Eddie is phenominal, going through with an angle that has your recently deceased best friend proclaimed to be in hell is horseshit however. That is in no means remembering Eddie, that's pissing on his damn legacy. Rey has the ability to say, this is bullshit, I'm not going to be a part of it, but no, that would mean no more push and he just can't have that happen.

Ok so it has 2 dozen names on it, that's great. I love a tribute to troops, that does not change the fact that she's a self righteous bitch. If she wasn't in this to make herself famous (I'll accept she may be out to help troops, but I will not accept the fact that she isn't trying to make a name for herself in the process) than the statue would have been of her son or some unknown soldier, not her.

There is a difference between respecting Eddie, and what Rey is doing. He's using Eddie fo an Angle. Chavo isn't. Benoit isn't.

You dont bite the hand that feeds you, and i think thats Reys problem he is getting this push, winning Rumble and all that shit. Its more Vince and the Writers fault than Rey's. I dont know why WWE just dont drop it, hes gone he was great but he is GONE and he wont be comming back. Atleast Reys character is respecting Eddie by thanking him rather than Ortons character shitting on him, but still they dont need to use Eddie as a way to get over.

Fuck that, you don't sacrifice yourself and your moral integrity to get a bigger paycheck. It's as much Rey's fault as the writers anyone. Rey knows Eddie's death is his chance for a world title push and he is willing to say screw it, I'll piss on my friends legacy for that.

For the record, I love you KK even if we don't agree on some things. Sorry if I seem a bit hostile about certain subject, I do respect your opinions however.

She didn't commission it, someone else made it, you dumb fuck. They made it to a prominent figure, someone who has become a figurehead for the anti-war movement.

You're assuming she had some creative control, or retarded enough to think that others' actions are her fault. I'm not sure which, but either way, you're wrong and you foundation for your assumptions are totally faulty. Thanks for playing, but you're just looking for a reason to slam her. And grasping for some pretty stupid reasons.

No, there is a point at which you stop licking the hand that feeds, and if someone is fucking up your family, the dude who's supposed to have been a brother to you, you should draw the line well before this point. Rey's character is respecting Eddie only because Rey is allowing Eddie to be dragged through the mud.

Only if Eddie was Jesus. HOnestly dude...that's the dumbest idea ever. Really it is.

I'm not sure if that is really what he is doing, or at least if that is what his intentions are.

And I think of it this way: What would you do if it was YOU in Rey's position? Remember, pro-wrestling is, has, and always will be a cut-throat, backstabbing business behind the scenes. To get to the top ANYWHERE, you will have to do whatever you must in order to get there. It's that way now in the WWE, it was in WCW, ECW, it may be in TNA, ROH, hell, XPW is LOADED with idiots who will stop at NOTHING for publicity (anyone who remembers what Rob Black was going to do with a former employee's dog on air will know just how low some wrestling promoters will go to).

What if Rey was in TNA or ROH? How would you think THEY would go about this? Do you think he would be able to get any better of a story, when, forgive me for saying it this way, there is a litteral GOLD MINE of an angle involving his long storied relationship with Eddie )and by the way, that long relationship is why I'm NOT bothered by the dedication thing. Because him and Eddie were VERY good friends, and I think Rey's entitled to dedicate as much as he desires)? I don't think anyone would be able to resist being able to keep themselves from at least considering it. Imagine, if it were TNA, Jarrett might want to dig up his remains and have a wrestling match against the corpse for his title (which he would win, I would suspect). And I don't even want to THINK about how Rob Black would've went about it (I would think that he would really anger us to the point where we would actually KILL the asshole). What I'm saying is that, at the least, for what it's worth, it's better than what it could be at this point (I know I'm gonna be neg repped for saying it that way, but considering how others could went about this, I say, we're damn lucky).

And plus, it's cheap, but Vince only cares about one thing right now: Is it WORKING?! Are the fans booing Randy to no end, and getting behind Rey? Right now, the heat and pops are going in the right directions in all of this. Hopefully there'll be a happy ending to all of this.

So what would you or anyone else actually DO in Rey's position? Yeah, it's a sick way of going about things, but considering how chances to get into the main event picture are few and far between in the wrestling world, I think people who are better men than Rey is (or, for that matter, WE are), would not even THINK about shitting on our friends before using them in these kinds of ways. Yeah, I know it sucks, but it's the way wrestling has always been behind the scenes.

And yeah, I'm sorry, but that's just how I think about all of this. I don't approve of the angle, either (when considering, moreso, that the person that is saying ths disparaging comments about Eddie is the one that is expected to WIN the NWO match, in front of Eddie's family, no less), I just think that this could be a LOT worse, even then, and if it was us, we would be doing the same thing.

Which means...there's a very good chance the WWE may TRY it. :shifty:

Hey guys dont get me wrong i really don't approve of the angle either and i think darkpower hit the nail of the head. Pro Wrestling is that type of business, alot of shit that happens (backstabbing ect.) but your have to think that Vince has always said any publicity is good publicity. Vinnie and most of the wrestlers just want to make the most amount of money they can, to an extent most superstars dont give a shit who they piss on or how they screw someone aslong as they get that extra heat or that big title shot.

except for the fact that rey shouldn't be helping to shit on Eddie's memory for those reasons because:

A) he's not getting near a title shot.
B) he's going back to midcard hell in April.

now unless he's getting a mega push to job to Greg Helms,
i really don't give a shit anymore.

and i do think Orton is a dick for actually agreeing to all this shit.
i know Trips would do it in a heartbeat, but seriously, not the best reason.

only Angle could pull off "eddie's in hell" and get a pop.

What would I do? I would recognize that my damn integrity and my friend meant more to me than some stupid world title in a worked business. I would take my ball, and go home. If I were Rey, I'd know that I have more money than I need to for my life, and I'd respect myself and my friend enough not to drag his name through the mud so I could become (even more) famous.

Really. Fuck Mysterio. Fuck Orton. But especially, fuck McMahon for allowing this kind of bullshit to take place.






I'm going to mark out if Eddie Guerrero isn't dead though.

I would mark out for like a second then i would start a riot and kill off each of Vinnies family members, then torturing HHH infront of Vince before killing them both.

If Guerrero is not dead and WWE screwed us over, it would be the ultimate screwjob on the fans. It would be bigger than Montreal

What was he gonna do.

And Vincent Kennedy McMahon would do it, because he knows he could get away with it.

Feed it to a snake if I recall.

Thats fucking sick and retarded at the same time

So you're condoning it because "that's the way it is."

Except it'd be more damaging, too.

Big=/= good

I don't know about that now. I mean, yeah, at the time, it was a sad case to see that Mysterio was going to do BOTH A AND B. But given this news that Eddie's family will be invited to the event, I have to believe something is up. As low as I think McMahon is able to go, I don't think that's a place even he would be willing to go.

I'm thinking Vince is going to give the internet another slap in the face when he let's Rey WIN that match. Because this family invitation thing is just TOO bizzare, I'm thinking that maybe Vince is starting to think about Rey keeping the title shot.

Plus, remember, this is WRESTLEMANIA we're talking about. This is where Vince usually tries to do everything he possibly can to pull out all the stops. Just look at who was GOING to headling WM 21 and look who actually DID, and why the actual headliner did so.

Benoit is a good actor if this is all fake. He should win an oscar or something.

This angle with Orton and Rey is total bullshit and is totally stopping me watching Smackdown at the moment. Let Eddie rest in piece.

This whole angle is abolutely pathetic and disrespectful. This is one reason why I watch TNA more than WWE right now

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I seriously would not be surprised if he came back.

Let me guess. You believe Elvis and Tupac are alive, and living together under civil union laws in Vermont with Andy Kaufman and Owen Hart.

KK you read my mind

Like Shawn said to Vince it would be be better to just move on.

The only way eddie should be remembered is chavo doing the frog splash benoit doing the 3 amigos and rey doing...stuff.
All angles consisting Eddie should of been gone after the 2 tribute shows... after that eddie should only be remembered with chavo, benoit and mysterio

Fixed.

Anyway, I like the small tributes. The little things you see in the wrestling, such as the 5-Star finisher or the occasional 3 Amigos. Especially since Chavo IS the "last heir" of the Guerrero name. The EG armbands I can stand short term, but it becomes the big stuff that bothers me, and even some of the stuff on the tribute shows were poor taste. The lowrider...:nono:

Huh? What was wrong with the low rider at the tribute show?

The Smackdown tribute? where it was driven into the staging with Taker in it?

Nothing. That was tasteful.

Am I the only one who remembers that there was a SD tribute special on Tuesday night?

That's where the lowrider was used as a weapon. It's also where Show supposedly spit on it, Rey was crying out for Eddie, and we got our first glimpse of the next 6 months of programming.

Yeah, that was part of it too.

I brought up him "spitting" on the lowrider because it was supposedly cut.

Actually, the SmackDown where the lowrider was there during the start of the tribute show was a few weeks before Survivor Series (when Eddie was found dead). The SmackDown Special (which Orton did that act to Taker with the lowrider) aired the Tuesday FOLLOWING the Survivor Series (remember, Eddie was schedualed at the time to BE a part of the SmackDown vs. RAW 5 on 5 match before his death).

Just thought I'd clear that up.

Exactly. You're confusing the Tuesday night special w/ the Tribute. The only thing that happened with a lower rider at the triubute was Batista leaving his belt on it and leaving.

So yeah, 2 week attention span huh ;)

Anyway, I don't think Orton using the low rider was that big of a deal. If it would have been a pickup truck, no one would of gave a shit. He used something ASSOCIATED w/ Eddie, but it wasn't like it was being done to piss on Eddie (Big Show spitting on the car windshield during the Rey match, a bit different.)

How sad that WWE actually has us speculating over whether they'd do a work like this.

You know the sad thing about THAT incident was? There was NO backlash against it the day later that I could see. No backstage heat on Show by anyone for doing that, no reprimances, not even a fucking slap on the wrist. All he got was boos from the crowd. And then afterwards...it was like it never happened. We never saw ANY news about Show getting yelled at for what he did then, when my respect for him went down somewhat after that (it was an unplanned for thing, I thought, because of the behavior of the WWE cameras and Cole and Tazz not saying anything at that moment).

Can someone tell me where the backlash on Show for that was at, because I never saw it.

Then you would be a better man than 3/4ths of this BOARD, myself included.

I can't help but wonder if we're being worked.

The WWE is always respectful when wrestlers die. You think they would have done an Owen Hart angle after his death? Or a Droz angle after his paralyzation? There's no excuse for this shit if it's real. Holy fuck, if Eddie comes back and main events WrestleMania I'm going to freak out.

They died in freak accidents that were directly related/ could put the WWE at fault. Eddie's prior drug use, while related, was not directly their fault. Therefore, one they can talk about without legal worries... the others, not so much.

Also, this is the first time that I can think of that a MAIN EVENTER actively involved in a story line died. Eddie seems to be the Elephant in the corner. Everyone knows it's there, and for the WWE to ignore it would just be silly. (Respectful, yet silly)
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As long as the fans chant for Eddie, the wwe will recognize him.

You actually managed to further obfuscate the events in an attempt to "clear it up."

Basically, the tribute show happened before Survivior Series, the SmackDown Special happened right after the Series. Orton burned up the lowrider through the set on the Special.

Got it now? :love:

Both people referred to tributeS.

Plural.

More than one.

The Special afterwards was listed as an Eddie Tribute. Advertised as one.

So what exactly did you clear up?

Extreme Angle, who I was replying to, even said "2 tribute shows."

Please show me what you actually cleared up.