NBA 2006 Offseason Thread
 

Starts with the draft tomorrow. Toronto lookin to trade that #1? I'd take Morrison over anyone right now..and Roy will be a stud. I don't understand why these GM's keep drafting project big men within the first 5 picks, they usually never pan out.

Not a "hot" draft this year but whatever. I picture Hassan Adams a good Scottie Pippen type of player. Hopefully he'll go to a team that needs that.

Yeah I am not excited for this draft. Celtics probably picking up a pointguard, all the projections I've seen haven't had any PGs going before the Celts pick at 7 so they will be able to grab whoever they think is the best at the 1. I read in the paper that Ainge is open to trading the pick and one of the Celtics current young players for a big name player, i'd love to see that. I am sick of this "rebuilding" bullshit that has been going on for basically my entire life (outside of a few seasons) The paper was throwing around huge names but that was probably just a bunch of BS.

ROFL@JJ Reddick being projected to go to Seattle in a few mock drafts I've seen, sure The Miz will love that

I know this is offtopic but I really miss the grind of the NBA season. Actually kinda feel lost now. :) October cant comes quicker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm hoping the Pacers make a deal to try to get Rudy Gay or Adam Morrison. I dont care what people say about Rudy Gay. The guy is one helluva a player. He'll get a fire lit under his ass in the NBA and when that happens, look out.

I love Morrison. Not because of his skill ( which is pretty basic and nothing special ), but because you cant teach a player how to be a fiery competititor and a winner. That guy is both. I love his EA commercial too.

My sleeper ( The player we'll be talking about in coming years ) Rodney Carney.

Who do i think the Pacers will draft?

I can see a situation where maybe Reddick falls and Indiana picks him up. I wouldnt mind that. I also wouldnt be suprised if they picked Quincy Doby with number 17. He's a Reggie Miller type guy.

Hassan Adams with number 45 pick would be sweet.

Trade Rumors :

The hottest rumor i've heard here in Indy involving Jermaine O'Neal is O'Neal and the 17th pick to Chicago for Ben Gordon, Tyson Chandler and the number 2 pick.

Doubt it happens though. I cant see Chicago letting Ben Gordon go. That guy is money.

We will not pick poetry boy. If we do I might have to find a new team. I slowly lose more interest in the Sonics every year but if we pick that little fag... jesus. Where the hell did you read that though? I don't see how Redick could be a top 20 pick

My top 10 mock:

1. TOR - Andrea Bargnani (Italy)
2. CHI - Rudy Gay (UConn)
3. CHA - Tyrus Thomas (Louisiana St.)
4. POR - Adam Morisson (Gonzaga)
5. ATL - LaMarcus Aldridge (Texas)
6. MIN - Brandon Roy (Washington)
7. BOS - Marcus Williams (UConn)
8. HOU - Shelden Williams (Duke)
9. GS - Randy Foye (Villanova)
10. SEA - Ronnie Brewer (Arkansas)

Miz, do you go to any Huskie games?

I don't really know, I definetly saw it somewhere and thought it was funny. Don't think it'd actaully happen.

I hope the Celts pick up Williams with their pick, i've heard a lot about Foye though and Im expecting them to get him instead. I watched a lot of 'Nova's games but nothing really stands out about him since they had so many guards playing at once. I remember seeing a lot of good things from Williams, whether or not that will translate to success in the NBA I don't know.

I think Shannon Brown (Michigan State) is gonna a be huge sleeper in this draft. On this mock draft I am looking at right now (CBS Sportsline) they got him going to the Nets. That'd be a perfect fit for him, could easily see him running the wing in the Nets offense and banging it on Raef Lafrenz 4 games a year :(

I dont care how much poetry he reads. I think he's gunna be a good player. I'd love to have him. He has Ginobli potential.

How is JJ Redick any better than potential 2nd round pick Gerry McNamara?

Shannon Brown is fucking sick. I watched Big Ten ball all year. This guy would have blown up if he wasnt handcuffed by Tom Izzo's Paul Davis fetish.

I could see Hassan Adams anywhere really.

Hey Joey, stop talking about UofA.


Fine then.

Are you fucking serious? You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about if you are.

I'm pretty sure Ginobli does more than take long 3 pointers all the time

Seriously though how can you compare Redick to Ginobili, their games are nothing alike. Redick is unathletic, slow, and an awful passer and defender. He has no offhand and can only go right to the basket. Ginobili is a slasher and is pretty much ambi going to the basket. He is a crazy passer and plays good aggressive D (yeah he's a flopper but so what, so is everyone else). Redick is a jump shooter and Ginobili is a slasher, just because they're white and play the same position doesn't make them similar

For starters, Reddick is 2 inches taller and more of a pure shooter the Mcnamara. Reddick fits the 2 guard mold alot better the Mcnamara does. Mcnamara is not a point guard and he's only 6'2 which pretty much means he wont get drafted.

Mcnamara is alot more slower and cant even compare to Reddicks athletic ability ( which says so much cause Reddick isnt the most athletic player in the draft.) Mcnamara cant playe defense.

Reddick has good enough ability to drive to the basket and create his own shot or pass. Mcnamara has no way of creating his own shot unless its a fade from the arc.

Theres a major difference.

Ginobili*

Obviously Reddick was a much better player in college, but do you really think Reddick's game will translate well into the NBA?

I'm pretty sure you didnt watch a Duke game all year. Reddick can drive to basket and finish. He isnt a leaper and wont dunk on anyone, but he can make tough layups or pass kick the ball out. That along with the fact that he's one of the purest shooters coming out , is pretty deadly.

BTW i didnt compare anyone to Ginobli. I like how you turn my words around there. I said he has Ginobli potential.

lol

Yeah. It's us. Not you. We're the bad guys.

Well.. i dunno. Honestly i cant say for sure. Given the right system possibly yes. I dont think he'll score 20 a game, but he'll be a solid player .

Reddick ability to drive to the hoop did improve greatly his senior year but I really can't see this guy being good guard in the NBA. Maybe like a Steve Kerr or something definetly can't see him being a Kirk Heinrich type (gotta keep the White thing going here)

Typing and playing poker and my poker screen kept popping up as i was playing.

I think he's better then Heinrich was when he came out.

I cant even find where i typed Reddick...creat his own shot.

You sure about that statement? Heinrich was a first team all american playing in the national championship when he came out (Heinrich also dunked it baseline in traffic in that game) Where as Reddick lost in the sweet 16 I think (2 First team All Americans on the same team and they still don't make the final 4) and had 2 fast break dunks in his Duke career.

Post 18 line 9 or so

I watched quite a few, thanks. He can drive but he only attacks the basket if he is wide open, if he ran into anyone he would immediately pass. He does not make "tough layups". You're right, he is a fantastic shooter. But that's ALL. At Duke they would have 3 people guarding him so he could easily find an open man. That doesn't make him a good passer. In the NBA no one is going to respect him that much. Saying he can create his own shot is fucking laughable. He is purely catch and shoot.

His fitness is a joke too. He never had anything left in the 2nd half, he would hit a bunch of 3's and go into the half with 25 points, then finish with 31 and everyone would go "what a game!" He has no chance of surviving in the NBA with stamina that bad. That's why his most likely role is a Keith Van Horn type off the bench (continuing the white theme). He never hit a big or game winning shot in his career, not becuase he was a choker but because he was too fucking tired at the end. Not a surprise he never did anything in the NCAA tournament because playing a game every other day is too much for him

btw "[...]" represents taking out words in a quote, if thats what you mean lol

The Miz, do you go to any Huskie games?

Yeah all of them. Free for students

Yah, but they arent drafting Duke, or Kansas. They're drafting the player. Reddick was an All American also and sure he had a tuff performace in the tourney, but that shouldnt be reasoning for passing on him. No team is drafting this guy to be a superstar player that will carry there team. Same with Heinrich. Same with almost every player in this years draft to be honest.

I think Reddick is gunna shock some people. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but i think its automatically assumed that because he's white and read poetry or some shit, that he'll suck in the NBA. I think he's a special player. I think he'll contribute in a large way for a team. I'm just saying that i would love to have the guy on Indiana. He's a winner , he can shoot, he can flat out play the game of basketball.

How is saying JJ Reddick has Ginobili potential not saying that you think he is a similar player to Ginaobili? Wouldn't you just say he has potential to be an all star? Than you said you don't see him scoring 20 PPG so I dunno where you going with this - Since Ginobili is more than just a "solid player." It's not like Ginobili is James Posey or something. So how exactly does JJ Reddicks potential have anything to do with Ginobili at all?

What about away games? (We should meet up)

He's a winner? What the hell did Duke ever win when he was there?

He's a shooter, yes.

He can flat out play the game of basketball? No, he can flat out shoot the basketball

He would be a nice guy to have as a 7th or 8th man off the bench to hit 3's while your stars are on the bench. But that's it. Not worthy of a top 20 pick

yeah exactly, if you are saying he is the next Ginobili or a Ginobili type player than obviously you are comparing the two.

Thats a bunch of bullshit. There was nothing wrong with Reddicks stamina. He did make tough layups and he did drive in traffic. I'm not sure where the hell you get your info, but i watched probably half of Dukes games ( Cause ESPN has a hardon for Duke ) and almost everything you say about Reddick is the exact opposite of what i saw from Reddick. I'm not sure how many games you watched, but i think you're talking out of your ass.

I've been to a Washington St and an Oregon game. But I refuse to travel any further. :mad:

One time when UA came up here my friend said some shit to Ike Diogu and Ike goes "Hey... shut the fuck up". It was awesome

(you mean ASU :o )

I watched all the same ESPN games you did. Why did JJ always score 3 times as many points in the first half?

While Hinrich doesn't exactly carry the Bulls (he is listed as team captain though) he is a career 15 point a game scorer to go along with 6 and a half assists.

Plus he is way more athletic than Reddick is. While I think a lot of times NBA puts TOO much in athletic ability, it is still definetly a factor. You think a guy who is 6'4 and can barely dunk is gonna have enough explosion in order to defend a NBA guard?

Are you dumb? There's a big difference between say Reddick is like Ginobili and saying Reddick has Ginobili potential.

With your logic, if Dwayne Wade has Jordan potential, then he's compared to Jordan? I dont think so.

Go look up the word potential.

He also has no position. How many 6'4" guys with no D, no athleticism, and no strength do you know that start at SG in the NBA? And he clearly doesn't have the ball-handling or passing skills to play the point. Bench is his final destination

I dunno, maybe cause teams went in at half time and made adjustments to try to stop him, which opened up his teamates, which made Duke a winning team. :roll:

It doesnt really matter when he scored his points, though i'd love to see these stats you speak of.

Yeah the usual Duke fan (can't believe I forgot Duke basketball in that "One team you really hate post") reply about Reddick stats dropping later on in games is that either A.) the defense is now "paying more attention to him" (since you know, they didn't when the game started) B.) He is too tired from carrying the team earlier on or C.) he was at the lacrosse house last night

He isnt the most athletic player, but he has athleticism. I dont know how you manage to judge his strenght. Please do explain that one to me. 6"4 is not a bad size for a SG with his range and shooting ability.

Its got to be pretty hard to build your whole defensive game plan around stopping one guy on that team with all the talent they have.

Yes, if you said he had Jordan potential than you would be saying that Wade has potential to become one of the top 10 players of all time, while playing a similar style.

Potential has a different meaning if you put a guys name infront of it, other wise you wouldn't use another persons name, you'd just use potential.

So if Redick has Ginobili-potential, that means you think he could one day become a Ginobili type player. So in his NBA career he is going to learn how to play defense, handle and drive the ball with his left hand, become a slasher, and acquire crazy passing skills? That's a pretty impressive turn a round.

I'm honestly not a Reddick fan boi either. I just think he's alot better then given credit for.

I was wrong though, JJ does have strength. The strength of a condor

I can't see what my future has in store
but I move forth with the strength of a condor
The courage of a warrior
The commitment of an American soldier
Despite this weight on my shoulder
my inner forces circulate to form
a nucleus of an unbreakable bond
These words describe the soundtrack to my life's song
My mind and body united like the Colors of Benneton
My destiny isn't told by the creases of my palm
A sharp thorn once cut my soul
The blood flowed
But no bandage would cover the wound
I couldn't help but stare at the distant moon
Waiting for a resolution to come at an instant soon
I asked the Lord, "What am I to do?"
He said, "Son, I made the sky blue
The rain falls because of me
Leaves change colors on a fall tree
I was the inspiration to Martin Luther King
I'm the reason Ray Charles could sing
I've changed others through and through
And my son, I'll do the same to you"

Also if you said Wade had Jordan potential it would also mean that Wade should become one of the most marketable athletes ever, if the potential panned out.

Yah, but are you comparing Dwayne Wade to Jordan right now today. Is he anywhere near what Jordan was today? The answer is no. Does he have potential to be . Yes.

And? It is a fair comparssion(although I don't think it is true) since they are very similar type of players.

Reddick and Ginobili are not similar players so I think you just made my point for me...

He is projected to make an NBA team and probably be the 8th or 9th man off the bench, that means that there is only about 260-270 better than you at basketball.

I don't think anyone is trying to say he is a terrible basketball player

you're missing my point. Comparing a person to another person today. Is different then saying that person has the potential to be like said person. I do infact think he has that kind of potential.

Miz, your opinion is that he cant play defense, he cant pass, he cant make a tough layup. My opinion is the exact opposite based on what i've seen the past two years from him. So yes i do think he has that kind of potential. I do think he can be taught more and expand his game once he gets in the NBA to become that kind of player.

Where are you reading these projections at?

I'll concede this. I probably could have thought of someone other then Ginobili to compare his potential too. My point in the first place was that he is gunna be a good player.

When i say Ginobili i mean type of player. Not exact skill sets. More like the impact of that type of player.

That is my personal prediction about the 8th man off the bench, I've seen him going to Utah (lol another white guard) with the 19th pick. So obviously they think he is better than the 8th player off the bench but I dunno.

Anyone remember Trajan Langdon? Didn't think so

I'm pretty sure Utah will take any white player in the league. Did you hear that 3 way rumor of Boozer going to Philly, Iverson going to Boston, Szcerbiak going to Utah.:lol: What a joke.

But i'd say this. What was Gilbert Arenas, Boris Diaw and Josh Howard projected as.

Its all a matter of opinion. I know what Reddick i saw play last year and i disagree with Miz's assesment. Thats all.


I'm trying to figure if Indiana taking Quicny Dobey with the 17th pick is a stretch. Unless they trade the pick somehow, i'm thinking thats who they'll take.

I do..but that's only cause that was the year there were like 4 Dookies going in the 1st round and he went like 15th and was a total bust...

because he was nothing more than a bomber.

Just in case RP tries to miss the point.

I'll just point out its because Mormons (the vast majority of the Jizz fanbase) hate colored people.

whats your point:?:

Steve Kerr had a pretty good career I'd think. He is 6-1 and a shooting guard.

I don't think Redick is expected to be a big time player in the NBA, but you are probably kidding yourself if you don't think he will have a fine career. He is a very competitive player and a very talented shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if he went down as a Steve Kerr at the end of his career, and that would be nothing to scoff at in the NBA.

Celts trade #7 overall pick for Sebastian Telfair.

Maybe Boston traded the pick because they no longer need it to draft a PG, because they will soon be getting Allen Iverson. Also, what are the Blazers going to do with 2 top 7 picks. HMMMM

Really? I kind of like that trade for the Celtics. Telfair never seemed to fit in on the West coast, specifically in Portland. The only thing is that there should still be a top player left, maybe Gay, at No. 7.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the start of another Portland trade, giving up the No. 4 and No. 7 for a higher spot in the draft or else some player. Don't know who that'd be though...Mark Blount????

Doubt Gay will be available at 7. I think most project him as a top 3 or 4

Maybe they'll draft JJ Redick with the #4 pick and the rights to his poetry at #7

This is unconfirmed but several sources are reporting that the deal is actually

Celtics get:
Sebastian Telfair
Theo Ratliff

Blazers get:
#7 pick
Raef LaFrentz
Dan Dickau (lol this poor fucking guy gets traded every month)

thinking more about this though, with all the KG rumors, 2 top 7 picks would be a nice start to acquiring him

wow my friend who would probably suck Telfair's dick if he saw him in the street most likely exploded when he heard that trade

Paul Pierce, No. 4, No. 7 for KG?

I don't think it's going to happen, but that's a hell of a lot better than No. 2, Ben Gordon and Tyson Chandler. I still wouldn't do either, unless another decent player was involved.

There's no way you'd get a better offer than Pierce and 2 lottery picks

I don't think Boston has any plans of trading Pierce though, and it really wouldn't make sense for the Wolves to trade away their team for draft picks and an all-star. There'd be no point of having Pierce around getting stats for a bad team, although that's basically what he's doing now.

WTF, this is the most fucked up draft ever. I just got home and there has been like 10 trades.

What I don't get, Brandon Roy for Randy Foye straight up? Is somebody retarded and named Kevin McHale? Trade No. 6 for No. 7 straight up? Come on.

lol Bobcats got Morrison. Everyone I know hates him down here.

Jazz got Brewer:) i'm very happy with this. We'll actually have a back court this season!

haha, this draft should be an SNL skit with all these trades.

lol @ the crowd booing the Knicks.

<font color=goldenrod>Who the fuck is Renaldo Balkman? And why did the Knicks just waste their first round pick on him when Marcus Williams is available?

Fuck you Isiah. I'm glad I stopped giving a shit about basketball before the Knicks fell apart.</font>

ROFLLLLL@ Dan Dickau getting trade again though

Telfair could be pretty cool in Boston, I haven't really followed his career but that special they had on ESPN on him made him seen like he is a pretty cool shit. I know he didn't really have a jumper coming into the NBA (doubt its changed much) so we'll see, probably better than any other guy we could have drafted regardless.

Come on Wolves, it's round 54 and Pittsnogle and Taj Gray are still out there. At least they have a remote chance at making the team!

hahahah stupid Knicks!!


Woohoo, Jazz drafted Dee Brown as well. Brown and Brewer definitley address our awful guard position

Well the Wolves officially had a pretty stupid draft. For some reason they drafted Brandon Roy, many peoples pick to be the Chris Paul of this year. Then they trade him basically straight up for the player picked right after him. I don't mind since Foye is the man and will fit the team well, but that was a stupid way to go about it. For one, they could have taken Luther Head from Houston and swapped picks and still got Foye. Second, now there could easily be a stupid money dispute because does Foye deserve No. 6 or 7 pick money?

Then the second round, I don't know what it was but our second, second round pick, some guy from Miz U, was traded. Probably a really minor deal, but I want to know what it was. So we got a 6-7 power forward who looks alright, but c'mon he is 6-7. Then some guy from Greece, meh.

Blazers are idiots.

Knicks are bigger idiots.

SCHRAGER ON THE SCENE: The Orlando Magic take Redick, arguably the greatest shooter on Earth. Redick joins Dwight Howard and Darko Milicic on what instantly becomes one of the most intriguing teams in the league. The Madison Square Garden crowd boos. Unlike me, they apparently HATE J.J. Redick, AND his poetry. The "Over-Rated" chants start, and cameras flash. ESPN cuts to Dick Vitale and he seems to be crying. Redick then scurries off the stage so he can jot his thoughts down in a poignant haiku:
Taken by Magic
Will miss my Xbox at school
No More Appletinis

SCHRAGER ON THE SCENE: Yikes. The roof's going to come off of this place. Personally, I don't think Isiah meant to take Balkman. I'm convinced he thought he was taking former Dallas Maverick and Knick great, Ronaldo Blackman. He probably remembered Blackman lighting him up in the 80s, saw the draft board, and decided, "Yes, yes that guy's good! Let's take him!" Charles Dolan then likely ate a $100 bill, took a bath in Poland Spring water, and said "Go For it!" The Knicks fans are beyond outraged. There's an "F-Dolan" chant going at full force, which I'm sure is really delightful for the ESPN sound crew. So the Knicks have Balkman. I can't wait until Isiah realizes it's not the guy he thought it was. And I can't wait until Nate Robinson hazes him next year. What a disaster this team is.

SCHRAGER ON THE SCENE: Great stuff out of the NBA right now. They just handed out a bunch of faces-on-sticks of Russ Granik. The crowd has a "We Want Russ" chant going, too. You've gotta love Granik — the face of second round steals and NBA sturdiness. Granik looks like a dorky uncle, and who doesn't have a soft spot for their dorky uncle? Meanwhile, a British guy who looks 12 was just taken. Joel Freeland's highlights are not of him. The one ESPN just showed had him running the floor and not even touching the ball. Yep, just a shot of him running up and down a basketball court. Really, how could anyone pass on this guy? I'm stunned he slipped until 30.

ROFLLLLLL

Indiana actually drafted someone whos scouting report used the word atrocious in it. I dont know , if any part of your game is described with that word, you probably shouldnt be drafted at all.

I loved how we passed on Marcus Williams too. That was amazingly funny. He's only gunna be a multiple time all star on the Nets when Kidd retires, but yah fuck him.

The one position we didnt need at all, Indiana drafted two of. Both players arent that good at all. Our first round pick probably would have been there at pick 45.

WTF@ Houston giving up Rudy Gay and Swift for Shane Battier.

Who the fuck is Mouhamed Saer Sene? Although I'm happy we got Denham Brown, I fucking hate UConn but I always saw him as a NBA player (not Ginobili potential though)

lol @ the Warriors drafting 2 7 foot projects... I thought after drafting Ike Diogu and Monta Ellis last year they were beginning to figure out. Nah

After looking at it, Delonte West is already a better PG than Telfair. I figured Telfair would have a lot of assists or something but he really does not. He also does not score that much. Delonte averages more minutes but I dunno, his stats are a lot better than Telfairs, Telfair probably won't even start for the C's.

Celtics got a long of young (legit) talent at every position now though
PG: Delonte West, Sabastian Telfair, Rajon Rondo (We'll see about Rondo)
SG: Tony Allen
SF: Gerald Green
PF: Ryan Gomez
C/PF: Kendrick Perkins, Al Jefferson

Getting Theo Ratliff in that trade is kind of interesting too. If he has anything left, he could definetly help the team with a presence inside.

Oh I almost forgot, WE GOT THE JEW!!!

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Yotam Halperin
Ra'anana, Israel

I am kind of glad to see the C's get Telfair tho instead of some random dude, I mean even if he doesnt pan out to be something great he is an interesting pick up either way. If they ended up getting someone like Thabo Sefalosha or Renaldo Balkman I'd be like "uhhhhh what"

Also, thank god they didn't draft Reddick

Thabo Sefalosha lol cmon