I just figured out what's missing in WWE
 

... besides coherant writing and general creativity.

The King of the Ring PPV. The tournament was brilliant, good mid-card and main event competition. It was the guarenteed time of the year that you had actual wrestling matches on TV. The PPV itself was usually always awesome. The tournament usually put alot of good mid-card talent on display. It also was the best possible way to set up a main-event push.

The Smackdown King of the Ring tournament was... well it was the right idea, but with only smackdown talent... it was lame. It really only works with a combined roster.

If we were going to do one these days, who would you want, and what brackets would you set up?

I don't like tournaments. I don't know why, but with very few exceptions, I have been disappointed by most every wrestling tourny ever. Infact off the top of my head Deadly Games is the only one I can think of that didn't blow three different types of ass.

That having said that, yes, King of the Ring is traditionally a way to get lower or mid card workers over and have them fight some of the upper of even main event guys.

Excellent KOTR PPV tournaments:
1993
1996

Good KOTR PPV Tournaments:
2000

Average KOTR PPV tournaments:
1998
2001

God-awful KOTR PPV tournaments:
1994
1995
1997
1999
2002

I think that speaks for itself, as far as where I stand on the KOTR. In 10 years, only two cards that really stood out as fantastic PPVs.

If it wasn't flop, I didn't have Kip Sopp

And I'm not prejudiced against tournaments at all. WrestleMania IV, Deadly Game and KOTR 93 are some of my favourite PPVs ever (and WMIV sucked quite bad, I just love it for some unknown reason. The atmosphere, the inclusion of basically every wrestler on the roster, plus excellent commentary is what does it for me, I think.)

Wow. For all its problems, you pick the lack of the KotR?

How exactly were you "guaranteed actual wrestling matches" on TV? I'm not getting that.

Well, it was more likely to get one match from the tournament than everyone getting byes.

Oh, okay, and when there was no King of the Ring tournament, Raw took place without a single match. Superstars as well, for that matter.

A few months back a RAW had like 2 matches. The KOTR basically guaranteed you at least 3 in a week, plus at least 2 other matches.

In the old school King of the Ring, the tournament happened all in one night, with only qualifiers taking place anywhere else, and sometimes, they'd even do those on PPV the month before. If you had those "at least 3" King of the Ring matches, though, you weren't guaranteed two other matches.

Raw only had 2 matches when kane got married.

well i decided to choose something different, i'll let everyone else beat the same dead horse...

All you did was disguise the usual "there's no wrestling in WWE" as something sorta different, but very similar.

KOTR sucked imo. It was a good way of getting mid card guys over, but then WWE started to fuck that up. The matches were mostly boring and predictable anyway.

Which one was the Kurt Angle KOTR? He was awesome that night

2000.

awesome

I'll always remember that Angle/ Shane Street fight match. Especially when Shane took that sick bump when Angle belly to belly suplexes him on the glass and it didn't break.

I was there live, and while that was a very awesome moment, the Super Angle Slam looked a bit cooler in person.

Aside from the fact that you merely put a new hat on the Undertaker and packaged him as something different, you choce a relatively insignificant portion of this "difference." BAD JIMMY!

Damn your ability to see through my "clever" ploy. =/

Honestly I wish Flair would retire to become someone's manager, Foley become the new RAW GM just because he's gold on the mike, Haas/Benjamin and J.Hardy/M.Hardy bring back The Hardy Boyz and TheWorldsGreatestTagTeam.

and this is related, how?

:?:

wtf happened here?

Man I wish TNA would stop giving Steiner the mic.

Kevin Nash should do commentary.

I hate hearing "All Hail King Booker" 20 million times every Friday.

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I know what the WWE needs...




















MORE COWBELL!!!!
:shifty: yes, that was a mind blowing piece right there:shifty:

I think the King of the Ring Tournament would be a fun thing to bring back as an interpromotional event. Have every single wrestle that's held a Championship be entered, and compete in singles matches on their brand until only one remains, then at Summerslam have them clash. It fills the middle of the year, which is usually pretty vacant. The lack of a King of the Ring PPV makes the year seem less emptier.

They need to stop making RAW shit as well. If Triple H and Shawn Michaels are going to be on TV, they need to wrestle guys like Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas, preparing them for the big time.

I'd love to see HBK put Hass over. Turn that into the KoTR Finals next year.

JBL's Booker T commentary is the highlight of the show. Unless you're refering to Sharmell.

Or perhaps Regal, the guy who commonly says it.

1996 wasn't that great - Vader/Jake wasn't exactly [img]the[/img] five star match of our generation. Still, Austin's two matches were pretty hawt, and Shawn/Davey was great, as was Pillman's promo

1993 KOTR ruled.

Why did you use image tags?

They should have some kind of "King of Kings Tournament". Each King of the Ring Winner gets to compete in a tournament, and if they are unable to compete, they select a replacement to compete for them:

Test (Bret Hart's Replacement) vs. Harry Smith (Owen Hart's Replacement)

Viscera vs. Shelton Benjamin (Stone Cold Steve Austin's Replacement)

Triple H vs. Sylvester Terkay (Ken Shamrock's "Replacement")

Chuck Palumbo (Billy Gunn's "Replacement") vs. Kurt Angle

Edge vs. Bobby Lashley (Brock Lesnar's "Replacement")

King Booker vs. Jerry Lawler (Random "King" Appearance)

-Harry Smith and Test are both selected by Bret Hart as Hart had a lot to do with Test's training, and Smith is his relative. Smith wins their match with a Running Powerslam.

-Shelton Benjamin had Stone Cold Steve Austin's support when he first came to RAW. Continuity time (Ha!). Benjamin pins Viscera, which pisses off Charlie Haas, which leads to Haas and Benjamin feuding.

-Just as Triple H is about to beat Sylvester Terkay, Elijah Burke attacks Terkay, giving his associate the disqualification victory. This leads to a tag team match with Terkay & Burke facing DX.

-Kurt Angle forces Chuck Palumbo to submit to the Ankle Lock.

-Bobby Lashley defeats the WWE Champion, Edge, with a Running Powerslam. Lashley is chosen as he has a similar style to Brock Lesnar.

-King Booker defeats Jerry Lawler with the Scissors Kick.

-In the second round, Harry Smith defeats Shelton Benjamin, as Charlie Haas gets involved, continuing the feud with his former partner. Smith gets the pin with the Running Powerslam.

-Sylvester Terkay defeats Kurt Angle, fuelling their ghost rivalry.

-Bobby Lashley defeats the World Heavyweight Champion, King Booker, with a Running Powerslam to advance. Lashley has beaten the WWE Champion and World Heavyweight Champion in back-to-back tournament matches, now.

-In the semi-finals, Sylvester Terkay defeats Harry Smith when Elijah Burke gets involved many times. Bobby Lashley gets a bye, or has a match with Elijah Burke, or something like that.

-In the finals, Sylvester Terkay defeats Bobby Lashley to become the "King of Kings". Elijah Burke then starts to use Triple H's theme music.

That would be a pretty sweet tournament.

What's with the running powerslams?

They're awesome. :shifty:

Oh Roight

Alienoid, a "King of Kings" tournament is a great idea, but watering it down with nothing but "replacements" for the ACTUAL winners would kill it dead before it even started. Why should Lashley (as an example) be given the position earned by Brock Lesnar, despite not having beaten any of the opponents Lesnar had to beat, nor being associated with Lesnar in any way? And especially why have Turkay, who is not over and I doubt he ever will be, become "King of Kings" when he never won a KOTR to begin with??

Of the KOTR winners, only three are no-gos. Bret Hart is unable to wrestle due to a brain injury, Owen Hart is dead, and Billy Gunn is under contract to TNA. Steve Austin is inactive, but he could conceivably work a match if required (and against a "worthy" opponent). Shamrock is not associated with wrestling anymore, but could still work a match if offered anough moolah (cash, not Fabulous). And all other KOTR PPV winners are available.

Additionally, Harley Race claims he could still work another match if he was required. Haku hasn't long retired, if he even has. Jim Duggan is still floating around. Randy Savage competed as recently as last year (although it's doubtful WWE will re-employ the "Macho Man") And Jerry Lawler stills works regularly too (he is an official WWF KOTR, having beaten Bret Hart for the crown at SummerSlam '93). So you still have enough possibilities to make a King Of Kings tourney work. Of course, why bother, because Trips would win it to solidify his "king of kings" moniker anyway.

As a side note, WWE already featured a "King Of Kings" scenario in 1998, when they had Ken Shamrock defeat all previous Kings (they cited the match where Shamrock made Bret tap behind the referees back as his "victory" over Bret) and declared "The World's Most Dangerous Man" as the pre-eminant King of the Ring.

Well, Harry Smith is bound to use it as a finishing move. Bobby Lashley is using it as well, so I was going to go for a Harry Smith vs. Bobby Lashley final, but chickened out. :$

Also, why give Lashley the big build-up of beating both WWE and World champions, only to lose to "The Charisma Blackhole" Sylvester Terkay?

Ken Shamrock is indeed a dangerous man... :shifty:

A more "pure" tournament would certainly be more faithful, but I doubt it will really take off. I mean Haku, Jerry Lawler and Harley Race, as great as they are, sure probably stay out of any kind of major WWE event.

The reason I threw guys like Bobby Lashley, Sylvester Terkay and Shelton Benjamin in there was just to fill out the places a bit more. Lashley may not have any connection to Brock Lesnar officially, but they have a similar wrestling style. Paul Heyman (who used to manage Lesnar) could sign off on Lashley being Lesnar's replacement.

It does sound very, very contrived, but I think it would kind of work.

An actual tournament of King of the Ring Winners is probably a good idea, though. I wouldn't have Stone Cold Steve Austin return, though. Unless he can pull as a Shawn Michaels. That would be a miracle.

1. Harry Smith (Replacements does seem silly, but Harry Smith, being directly related to Bret Hart does make a lot of sense, and it would be a great push for him)
2. Viscera
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
4. Triple H
5. Ken Shamrock
6. Kurt Angle
7. Edge
8. King Booker

If Stone Cold Steve Austin did return, I see no better opponent for Austin to face than Triple H. The two held the World Tag Team Championship together, had a great feud, and Triple H could work a decent match with a guy in a wheelchair, and Austin, whilst close to it, isn't in one yet). Shamrock would probably return just for the dream match with Angle. Both use Ankle Locks, both are legit ass-kickers. It could work really well. Edge vs. King Booker is WWE Champion vs. World Heavyweight Champion at the current time. Viscera can be used to feed Harry Smith. This tournament looks too good to be true.

Harry Smith defeats Viscera, seeing as Smith has the brighter future and all. Triple H beating Stone Cold Steve Austin seems like the thing to do, but the irony of Harry Smith beating Austin at the end of his epic career after Bret Hart beating Austin caused it to really swell up, is too great to ignore. Randy Orton costs Triple H the match, or something.

Angle forces Shamrock to tap like a little bitch. The final first round match is harder to call, but I think sending Edge through would be the smarter thing to do, as they can play up Angle and Edge's past rivalry, and point out that Angle and Edge met in the finals of the 2001 King of the Ring Tournament.

Harry Smith forces Austin to tap out to the Sharpshooter. I think that would be a fitting end to Stone Cold Steve Austin's career. Angle and Edge wrestle a badass semi-final match, but Angle forces Edge to submit to the Ankle Lock. The final match will be Harry Smith w/ Bret Hart vs. Kurt Angle. By this time Smith will be huge, Angle will be huge. Part of me wants to say Smith would go over, but even though his career is winding down, Angle could probably use some kind of epic accomplishment like this. They need to humble Smith, as well. Angle forces Smith to pass-out to the Ankle Lock, or something like that. Kurt Angle and Bret Hart have a stare-down after the match, and Angle shakes The Hitman's hand. The greatest match that never happened.

Terkay does have a good vibe about him. He's got the wrestling talent (allegedly), and hopefully a match with Lashley will be big bucks down the line. I think a win in this tournament would be more for Elijah Burke's sake, though. Terkay probably isn't the guy to go over, but Burke has a pretty bright future in the WWE, and he is an excuse for anyone to lose to Terkay.

Lashley could probably benefit from a win more, but a loss hurts Terke and Burke more.

THAT's more like it, Alienoid!

I like the idea of a Bret/Angle standoff, and also the idea of pushing Harry Smith HUGE by having him beat Austin.

Terkay looks like a bear and I do not mean the animal

Then what DO you mean? :?:

Ask KK

Well, KK?

Skippy means a big hairy gay guy. Think Albert, if Albert was a flaming faggot. Well, if he were OVERTLY one. You don't actually have to be big, though it's normally one of the criteria, or heavyset (Whether from fat or from being muscular), primarily just hairy.

Taker's done us the favor of not waxing, on top of growing a larger beard than in previous incarnations, so he's on his way. Plus, the gut helps.