Ben Moody is a ****ing asshole.
 

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</TD></TR><TR><TD class=quote>lore77: These are my thoughts about what's gonna happen to Evanescence in the next few months (like I said, JUST MY THOUGHTS, don't start jumping on my ass with stuff like "you know nothing, so shut up"... Yes, I know nothing but as long as I have a brain I'd like to keep thinking and having my own opinions – right or wrong, true or false – about what I read and what I see):





1) I don’t think Ben will join the band again in the near future. Evanescence will carry on even without Ben
2) There will be a new guitarist who will fill in John's spot and John will take Ben's position. That new guitarist will not be Balsamo from Cold and it won’t be Morgan from Seether either.
3) Evanescence will go on tour more and more with Seether.
4) Evanescence will be the top act at the Grammy's winning most of the major awards. My immortal slowly but surely will take the charts by storm becoming even bigger than Bring me to life and giving Evanescence a whole new audience (besides the usual rock fans). Fallen will sell almost 15 million copies by the end of 2004.
5) Amy will have major control on the band without Ben, she'll keep going around saying "I'm a singer in a rock band, I'm not a solo artist", in the meantime the next Evanescence record will be mainly the Amy Lee record. Her voice will get even louder, her image will get even stronger and more aggressive and she'll become an icon, probably the biggest female rocker of this new Millennium.
6) Ben will stick around with different projects becoming one of the most requested producers in music business.

I know... this is a pretty stupid thread (am I a fortune-teller or what?), but WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?


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ToB: I agree with all your points except #5 and #6. I think (nay, I know) that they will start to sell the band as more of a BAND rather than they have in the past with just Amy and Ben and some guys. It won't become Amyescence like you seem to think it will. Also, on #6, although I think Ben is a good guy and a talented musician, I think that Evanescence was his shot at greatness. I think that by leaving he blew said chance. Sure, he won't go quietly off into the sunset, but he won't be as big as if he had stayed with Evanescence.

John already has been playing Ben's parts since Ben left. Ben left the morning of a show with no notice given to John or anybody else. John was left holding the bag as the lone guitar player left on tour. He picked up the slack, learned all of Ben's parts in one day solely by listening to Fallen, and tracked all the rest of the stuff that Ben was doing that wasn't as important. If you listen carefully, Ben and John were playing most of the same rhythm parts during most of the songs. As far as I know, there was only one guitar tracked onto Fallen, and that's why the live shows come across a lot heavier than the album versions of songs. Anyway, all this to say that John is an extremely talented musician, and it's about time that he's starting to get some credit for that and some recognition.

efanar (Ben): OKay, I probably shouldn't be going into this, but I will.
A couple of things...
John was not left holding the bag, so to speak. Ben did NOT leave without notice. John spent weeks learning Ben's parts and Ben actually sat with John to go over the solos. There were absolutely more than one guitar tracked on Fallen. And as far as leaving Ev being a poor personal decision, I would think as a friend, you would be cooler, and wiser, than to say something so hanusly uneducated. I understand if you have a hard on for John, but Ben created Ev from the beginning. ACCEPT IT. Ev was not his shot at greatness. It was the one thing standing in his way.. oh **** this third person bullshit. This is Ben. and your statements are ****ed up. I have achieved greatness.. and you know what that is?
I've made my peace with myself and my peace with God. My shot at greatness came in the form of a decision. Follow my heart, or follow my head. And as far as I'm concerned you are in no position to judge what is and what is not great. If your definition of greatness is being in a band like ev than your world is a sad, dark, hopeless, and all around ****ED UP PLACE. I pitty you and will be praying for you. I can only hope that you and anyone who thinks that way will one day open your eyes to life beyond this bullshit.

You know, I have cherished this board and everyone on it since even before you, TOB, were a part of it. I have been the only member of Ev, past or present, to be loyal to those who are loyal to us. I am the one who from day one did everything in my power to relay how much you all mean to ev and how much i respect you. And TOB, you have been here long enough to know better than to even think this way. It's sickening. I did everything I could for ev, up to and including letting all manner of things be said by fans and "friends" without saying a word. Keeping my promise of silence at the expense of my honor and dignity. I have allowed attack after attack go unavenged because I took refuge in the one place I knew was safe for me. The exodus board. But now that has been taken from me.
The sad fact is, that you haven't even seen what is to come. Do you really think that anyone in ev has even a small percentage of the drive or ambition that I have? Do you really think that the world has a shot in hell at making ev the biggest thing I ever do? WAKE UP! You haven't seen the last of me and won't for a long time. But none of that even matters. One line keeps repeating in my head even as I type this. "ev was his one shot at greatness."
If that's true, and if being in ev (not writing, mind you.. i can do that anywhere.) was my "one shot at greatness"... then my asperations as a human being far outweigh the limitations of this earth and the standards that people like you live by are too far beneath me to even strive for. I'm sorry to those of you who have been loyal to us, and especially to me. I had hoped that the relationship that we built over the last year would carry on into future endeavors, but apperantly you have already decided my fate.
So this will be the last post I make. I love you all, and it has been a blast. But i think that my persuit of greatness is headed in a direction that simply isn't important to you, and that saddens me.
Goodbye.
- Ben Moody

What a prick. It's so funny because I called him on it and no one else would..and now everyone hates me over there and is up my ass about it.

Didn't read it, but I heard he's gonna play in Avril Lavigne.

what the hell was that?

I think it's time to get off it, Dave

The only reaction you'll get is one of apathy.

<font color=goldenrod>Let it go, Dave. Let it go.</font>

who actually cares

Do people still listen to Evanescence?

<font color=969696>I'm seeing Children of Bodom, Hypocrisy, Nevermore and Dimmu Borgir tomorrow.</font>

probably Kenny.

No, it wasn't me. I don't know what it is you have against me, besides the fact I pissed off your over emotional EVboard buddies.

It was probably YOU. You gave me a bad rep cause you thought I stole my sig from the guy who posted it in the EVboard, and the guy who posted it in the EVboard was me.

If any member of Evanescence REALLY bothered to look over all of those posts, they'd probably have the board shut down. I'm not really much different here than I was there, the big difference here is that this is actually a fan board and not a place for a bunch of overly obsessed cultists to meet and discuss their sexual fantasies with the people the board is directed towards. Oh... that and Triple A runs this one, and not to join the "Triple A Kiss Ass Club" or anything... but he's not a big pussy like your good friend ToB.

But hey, I post on a Matrix forum too. Is it okay if I still my sig from there without you giving me a bad rep?

LOL my EV Board BUDDIES? I just cussed out BEN MOODY this morning, yeah everyone over there LOVES me.

Okay, just don't do anything EXTREMELY wrong like use red fonts. I think you can be a dick sometimes, but I'm looking for a way to contact the people at Evanescence.com about opening up another forum so somebody like myself who hit a nerve with ToB can still post about and discuss the band.

there is an evanescence.com forum..I think. Not sure.

I gave you a positive rating Mitch...

There used to be but they took it down cause of Bandwith or something.

why do people say Amy Lee is hot

shes not

the girl from tsunami bomb is hotter and their music is better

IMO of course

I'm sorry, check out the sig and tell me that's not hot. Consider it an online homosexuality test.

k Im a big homo then

<font color=969696>She's not hot.</font>

I think she is, and you think she isn't. I agree to disagree. Kenny is just stupid.

Yeah, you have to be gay to dig that kinda makeup. ;)

Oh whatever... if any of you caught her on one of your favorite porn sites topless on a beach you'd be all over it.

I don't see what makes a Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, or any other girl more or as attractive as Amy Lee. Maybe Hot's not the most common word, although I think she is, but sexy.. hell yes. Not too many girls have class and self respect anymore, but most guys don't like that cause if more girls were like that their chances of getting laid would be about 0.

<font color=969696>Kenny, check this out: I don't find her to be attractive. :eek:</font>

You're getting asshurt over nothing.

ToB is the Triple A of EVboard.com. An Evanescence UBB board.

Just imagine what this place would be like if Triple A was an over-emotional attention whore, who bans people for stupid reasons yet doesn't mind reading posts that involve a bunch of under-age chicks having orgies with guys who look like they're in their 30's.

Oh yeah... and if all of the mods were 15 year old girls with issues with depression, and guys who think a UBB mod title is something you tell a girl to get laid.

Amy is pretty damn ugly, but I don't generally listen to music for the band's looks.

<font color=#33ffff>She looks very attractive in the My Immortal vid..:y:</font>

Any Lee is uglier than lemmy

Warts 4 Lyf

damn right.

:lol:

Let it go. People don't agree with your unhealthy obsession with someone who has deliberately made herself into just another f*cktoy. How you (or she) can claim she has self respect is beyond me.

If you go to MTV.com and read about the band she talks a lot about women in music showing skin to sell, and how she won't do that. Which she doesn't. If you're lucky you'll catch a cleve shot here and there but that's about as far as it goes. Above that she's one of the few female artists you won't find on a porn site. Atleast none of the one's I've been to in the past 6 months.

And if I was in here saying "Amy Lee is a god damn whore"... you'd be in here defending her cause you just like to argue. I'm far from obsessed with the girl but most of her female fan following openly say that one of the main reasons they're fans of Evanescence and Amy in general is because she doesn't use sex to sell.

But you say she has no self respect and in that case i guess she doesn't because you know everything.

Anyone with half a brain can see the "either gay or lying" comment was far from serious. And yes I DO like what she's created for many reasons. You say she's no different than any other of 'em out there but she is. How many talk shows do you see based around "My Daughter Wants To Dress Like Christina" or "My Daughter Wants Boobs Like Britneys"?

Whether it's Amy Lee or anyone who seperates themselves from the "I have to show my ass so people will like me" crowd... I'm all for it. Mandy Moore is another one. She was supposed to show her ass in a movie she has coming out but from what I understand she requested a double. There's a huge part of me that was hoping to download that short clip off of Kazaa but there's also a huge part of me that's happy there are still actual "Girls" left in this world.

You can say that's an "image Amy or Mandy created"... but they're not just SAYING they're not doing these things, they're literally not doing them. But I guess just because they have a camera on them every once in a while they can't actually be what they claim to be.

:lol:

Nice attempt to twist my words.

You've got an axe to grind, and you're blinded by fanboy pride.

I'm not blinded by shit... if Amy talked all of that "I'm going to represent myself in a better way" shit and then had her tits showing in Maxim Magazine I WOULD lose respect for her.

But man my penis would have more scabs then Freddy Kruger when I was done with those pics.

But anyway... bottom line...

The girl says she has respect for herself and doesn't appreciate the way certain female artists express themselves. (As far as being cock teases)

So far Amy hasn't really brought herself across in the way that those girls do.


And lastly.. ANY artist has to have some kind of self respect or self belief to be able to stand in front of crowds and live audiences... and perform. That takes guts. And also when you have a rack like Amy's you know she's being pressured by magazines to show 'em off and she hasn't. So that is "Self respect".

Just a quick point. Not once have you mentioned that people like her for her music, implying that only the image matters.

Or that nobody disagrees over her music...

I find it fu</>cking hilarious how any time Ev is brought up here all that's talked about is AMY. I love Amy: her writing, her voice, her style but this topic was about Ben. whatev.

I bloody do. I don't get why they get the accolades when Within Temptation and Nightwish (and to some extent Lacuna Coil) have the same image, but provide much better quality material.

because they haven't had a single hit the mainstream like Bring Me To Life? I'm sure if they had a song of that well..magnitude, they'd hit it big too.

(BTW, BMTL drives me crazy, it's an overplayed POS now, and not even 15 different versions can make it good again)

I don't dislike Ev. because they have hit the big time whereas these bands haven't, but because these bands should have. WT an Nightwish haven't had hit singles in the US. But that does not take away from the fact that they produce music on a much better level than Ev.

I mean come on, Dead boys Poem or Sleeping Sun > My Immortal
Over The Hills and Far Away or End Of All Hope > Bring Me To Life

Listen to them if you haven't already.

I'm not really too into the appearance of Evanescence. I think Amy Lee is a beautiful girl but I too didn't know what the band looked like. The first time I heard a sample of their music was during a DareDevil trailer before Final Destination 2 last February. The girl I was with told me she liked the girl from the band but I thought she said "It was an all girl band." I also thought that Paul McCoys parts were done by the lead singer of POD, cause it kinda sounded like him.

I didn't know shit, I was just really impressed with the little bit of chours I heard from the movie. I liked it cause it was something different.

I personally like Evanescence for their harder stuff like "One Last Breath" and "Whisper". It's an odd combination to have a girl with a soft, almost operah like voice... mixed with the guitar and bass beat in a lot of their songs. I like it because it's soft voice and lyrics expressed in a hard way.

At their concert Amy was screaming the lyrics, and usually when a girl screams her voice isn't half as good as it usually is but hers was beautiful... and that's what I like about the band. Amy could shave her head and have her boobs moved to her knee's for all I care.

I'm also into Linkin Park, once again not because of an image. If you listen to a song like "Don't Stay" from LP, then listen to a song like "One Last Breath" from EV... you'll see they're the same in many ways.

The guitar beats in the music are similar, but even more similar they're both considered rock groups, and both have earned a HUGE amount of respect for me because of their choice of lyrics. Evanescence is more poetic with emotion, where Linkin Park is more blunt and straight forward with emotion in their music.

So hey... you have your own opinion and so does everyone else. You don't think Amy Lee is hot, I do. You can say she's not hot, you can say you don't like the music... but don't tell me and other people why we think what we think. Because I think I know what and why I think a lot better than you do.

I was only comparing them because everyone else does. I was merely trying to draw a parallel between female fronted rock bands as a point of reference.

Primarily because I was waiting for the "But those are different types of bands!!!!" When I mentioned a male fronted band

The thing is you get all asshurt when someone says she's not hot and it makes you look stupid, as does comparing Ev to LP.

If anyone would know when I get asshurt it would be you since you've been up my ass for the past week or so for reasons unknown to me.

A lot of people who like EV like LP too. And they DO have a lot of similarities. Some people have gone as far as to call Evanescence "Linkin Park with a female singer" or something along those lines. Which I don't agree with but songs like One Last Breath do sound somewhat similar to songs like Don't Stay.

There was a topic comparing the two over at your EVBoard, I guess they're all stupid too. Also if I remember correctly there's even a member by the name of "Parkenescene" or something along those lines.

This whole damn topic makes you look stupid so don't tell me about looking stupid. I'd get better results learning potty training habits from my dog than learning how not to look stupid from yourself.

First off...I've already made it clear I like the music. You're just overzealous. Compared to you, I probably do look like a hater.

Second off, try practicing what you preach. Once again, you bitch about people telling you why you like the band, try not telling other people the same, whether it's why they like or hate a musician or the music they do. Yeah, that's pretty much you were doing on that internet hate site thread, and what you've done in this thread as well. You think you know why you like Evanescence, and it's unfair that I or anyone else should judge you on that...Oh, but it's different when you're judging someone else's reasons for liking or hating someone.

Supreme is the man
 

lol

ben moody was the band. its not gonna be the same in any way without him. they need to stop ripping off lacuna coil and go their own direction

:rofl: yeah..okay..Amy, Rocky, John, and Will were just decorations. Ben was the Whole F'n Show... :rofl:

I still fail to see how Evanescence "copy" Lacuna Coil. is it because they both have female leads? :lol:

their entire style. fyi moody wrote the songs...the rest of the band is mediocre at best. amy and ben are the only things that stand out

<font color=teal>Evanescence needs to stop copying Pat Benatar.</font>

<font color=teal>And whoever sings that "I Love Rock'n'Roll" song.</font>

and you need to stop loving little boys

uh..no. Ben AND Amy CO-WROTE almost all the songs (I say almost because most of the older stuff was written by one or the other)

singers are not musicians. and well their songs are easy and weak. they might sound good. but take away the programming and their sunk

<font color=teal>And you need to relax.</font>

ok evanescence without samples and keyboards/piano in the backgroud. what do you have. a generic band that would still be in their parents basement.

I do not find Orton or Cena hot in any way, shape, or form.

<font color=seablue><i>Yes, and that's why they've sold several million copies of Fallen.... :roll:

They're not a generic band, they seem to have impressed people with their music. Sampling? What are you listening to? And if you've heard the demos or the acoustic versions of any of their songs - there is something there that I find interesting and obviously others have too.

I really find it frustrating when people think that so and so is a "generic band." They must have something to get this far, hmm?</i></font>

im not ripping. im planning on seeing them in febuary

excuse the fu</>ck out of me?

Singers are not musicians? Are you smoking feline laxatives again?

Are you saying that if you sing you're automatically not a musician? Guess Trent Reznor, Ben Folds, Tori Amos, Kristy Thirsk, Dave Gilmour, Roger Waters and Paul McCartney aren't musicians then.

One of my best friends has a master's degree in music and music throey. Her primary instrument? Voice.

hey ****ass they play guitar/write songs/program/and or play piano. get your shit right.

and amy lee plays piano and writes songs. Thank you for calling.

Thank you for playing...

dont you feel gifted. theirs this thing with words and spelling in it...have you read it?

You apparently haven't.

you need a question mark after "gifted" and it's "there's"

sad. i dont envy you.

that's fine. You're the one who likes Evanessence

Oh well, if you really don't want to master the arts of punctuation and grammar...

i dont care.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand this post. Could you rephrase?

How lovely for you then.

hey, destroyer, did you understand his 'words and spelling' post? I'm just asking because I didn't get a word of it.

I made an educated guess at what it meant. :(

so he was talking about... a dictionary? A book? A copy of Jugs magazine?

a dictionary cumwad

right, and... why am I meant to be looking at a dictionary?

I mean it can't be anything to do with your 'a singer isn't a musician' comment, considering that dictionary.com defines singer as a synonym for vocalist, and a vocalist as "A singer, or vocal musician, as opposed to an instrumentalist."

:lol:

I wonder, also, why a capella music would be considered music, when it's only voice...

You know, if I bought that whole "Singers are not musicians" line.

popluar music asswhore.

Could you be a little more specific?

so when chumbawamba performed 'the day the nazi died' and 'homophobia' they weren't playing music

so when Tori Amos did Me And A Gun, she wasn't performing music

so when Roy Bailey did 'only a pawn in their game' he wasn't performing music.

give it up

guess the Flying Pickets and the King's Singers aren't music either

I won't even mention the a capella version of Voodoo People I recorded with my friend Owen.

I liked the asswhore line though

Are you popular musicians?

Although I will point out that since boy bands are pretty far into pop, and many boy bands do a capella numbers and versions of their songs, even as far back as Boyz II Men...

But that's not relavent...Dickwad...:roll:

typo, you meant to say popluar musicians.

and it's a piece of popluar music, anyway

(as far as popular, we're fairly well liked)

*Sings "the Lion Sleeps Tonight" ad naseum*

<font color=969696>The last two minutes of Chance by Savatage: Not music?</font>

Or the beginning of Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen), the end of "Rest In Peace" (Extreme), several tracks by BETTY and Moxy Früvous, Brian May's live version of '39...

classical music is pretty much the only thing thats not popular music.

Ummmm...What the fu</>ck do you smoke, anyways?