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MLB 2006-2007 Offseason Thread
<font color=goldenrod>With the WS over, it's time to move onto the offseason.
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Jeez, waited a whole day...lol
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Some big names filed for free agency today. Barry Bonds was the big name going around today.
Others include: Frank Thomas Nomar Garciaparra Cliff Floyd Orlando Hernandez Miguel Cairo Craig Wilson All together, 59 names are out on the market right now. |
Frank Thomas, really? Last I heard they were working on a deal.
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I found the article at yahoo.com in the headlines section. Take a look.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns |
So now that there's no deadline to re-sign with your former team, what real implications are there to this, what exactly does that mean?
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I read that Sheff isn't happy with the Yankees. He's unhappy that he might be guaranteed 13 million next year. I can see why he'd be upset.
One rumour is that the Yankees will do this to stop the Red Sox from signing him as a free agent. |
Yankees don't need Sheff anyway, he's too old and they got a great young outfielder in Melky Cabrera and I don't think they'll sign him just so the Red Sox don't sign him.
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Red Sox don't really need to go after Sheffield unless they trade Manny in a deal where no outfielder is returned.
Hopefully they can get some fucking pitching, I wonder who the closer is gonna be? |
As far as I know they're still thinking of putting Hansen in the closer spot.
Which pitchers are FA this year besides Zito and El Duque? |
Jesus if Steinbrenner dares to go after Bonds I'll fly to New York and shoot him in the face
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Last I heard Keith Foulke is thinking about retiring. Red Sox just resigned Timlin though so he's staying. |
Timlin was fucking terrible last year.
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had a quick look but couldn't find the potential F/A's. If someone else can, great, post them.
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I heard there was a lot of pitchers on the market this year.
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National League
Arizona Diamondbacks
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San Francisco Giants
Based only on players currently under a contract through the 2006 season.
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Nixon is definetly gone from the Red Sox, outside of bringing back Wakefield and Gonzo I don't know who else they are keeping on that list. Maybe Mirabelli? |
Mirabelli would be well worth hanging onto
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We really need to re-sign Terrance Long.
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Bonds needs to sign with an AL team that needs a DH. He still brings a nice punch to the plate, and without the wear and tear of the field he could catch the record. I could see him going to like the orioles or the blue jays even as a DH. Of course I bet he lands as a yankee.
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<font color=goldenrod>Here's what I think will become of the Mets' FAs:
Edgardo Alfonzo, IF - Probably will get a ST invite for the hell of it Chad Bradford, RHRP - Will definately be re-signed Jacob Cruz, OF - Who? Mike DiFelice, C - Nothing more than a ST invite Cliff Floyd, OF - Can't see him getting re-signed (xy) Tom Glavine, LHSP - Word has it the Braves don't want him, so I think he'll be back Orlando Hernandez, RHSP - Ditto, I think he'll be brought back Roberto Hernandez, RHRP - He'll get an offer from the Mets but I think he'll end up elsewhere Ricky Ledee, OF - Needs to retire Jose Lima, RHSP - See Ricky Ledee Eli Marrero, OF - Could end up anywhere as a ST invite Guillermo Mota, RHRP - Will be re-signed Darren Oliver, LHRP - See Roberto Hernandez Kelly Stinnett, C - See Mike DiFelice Steve Trachsel, RHSP - Later <b>Trash</b>cel Michael Tucker, OF - See Eli Marrero Jose Valentin, OF/IF - I think he'll be re-signed unless he asks for too much Chris Woodward, IF - Can't see him coming back Victor Zambrano, SP - No Rick, you cannot fix this guy. Give up</font> |
<font color=goldenrod>In fact, since I have nothing better to do during study hall, I made my early ass prediction for the 2007 Mets (predicting another huge offseason here especially since Omar said money is not an issue)
Lineup: SS Jose Reyes C Paul Lo Duca CF Carlos Beltran 1B Carlos Delgado 2B Alfonso Soriano 3B David Wright RF Shawn Green LF Lastings Milledge Rotation (Pedro Martinez due back +/- the AS Break): -LH Barry Zito -LH Tom Glavine -RH Orlando Hernandez -Young Guy (RH John Maine, LH Oliver Perez, RH Mike Pelfrey, RH Brian Bannister, LH Dave Williams, RH Phil Humber all canidates) -Another Young Guy until Pedro comes back Bullpen: LH Billy Wagner RH Duaner Sanchez RH Aaron Heilman RH Juan Padilla RH Chad Bradford LH Pedro Feliciano RH Guillermo Mota Bench: IF/OF Jose Valentin C Ramon Castro 1B Julio Franco OF Endy Chavez IF Anderson Hernandez</font> |
Red Sox could use Darren Oliver in the pen.
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<font color=goldenrod>Soriano's initial demands are reportedly going to be similar to the 7 year, $119 million deal given to Beltran
...which means he's likely to become a Yankee again as George loves his big bats and is the only one retarded enough to give Soriano a 7 year deal</font> |
I dunno, Cano is the man, although logic has never meant a thing to Steinbrenner
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I thought the Red Sox released JT Snow? Not that I care because I'm a Yankees fan but anyway Yankees need pitching more than anything.
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<font color=goldenrod>Bruce Bochy to manage the Giants
-edit- No idea that happened 4 days ago. This is the first I've heard of it</font> |
Sticky this shit.
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No way Soriano comes here, no where to put him. If Soriano or Bonds come here I will kill somebody.
And as usual Sheffield is crying about everything. He even went to Steinbrenner's house to complain directly. He doesn't want the Yankees to pick him up for 1 year, doesn't want them to pick him up and trade him either. He obviously puts up great numbers every year but I can't say I'll be sad to see him go. I think the Yankees will be able to get something decent for him, not a top prospect or major leaguer but maybe a solid bullpen arm. A lot of teams seem to be interested so hopefully we get something for him. |
The Yanks are definitely gonna be going hard after Matsuzaka (26 year old Japanese ace). I guess its pretty risky for any team because he is from Japan but he looks to have good stuff anyway, hopefully it translates well. It will be a lot of money for any team who gets him, like 20-30 million just to win the rights to negotiate a contract. So hopefully the Yankees use their best resource and get him.
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I would cry if Nomar returned to BoSox.
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I heard rumors that the Yankees might be after Jeff Suppan. That would be a terrible, terrible move.
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Luckily we can afford terrible moves
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21 more names filed for F.A. today. The notables.
Barry Zito Jeff Weaver Greg Maddux Eric Gagne Bengie Molina Bernie Williams Sean Casey |
Nomar should stay in LA, I really do.
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Nomar back in Boston would be pretty tight
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Bernie should just retire and become the Yankees hitting instructor.
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Bernie:'(
Also we've gotta go after Zito I reckon a few teams might be willing to give Weaver a go again now too after his performance in the WS. |
I could see Nomar returning to Boston as the 2B, cause is doesn't look like Loretta is gonna re-sign. I'd rather play Nomar at 2B cause Gonzalez is really solid at SS.
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11/1/06: 5 more filed for F.A.
Jeff Suppan the only notable. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2646431 |
<font color=goldenrod>Guillermo Mota suspended 50 games for violating the MLB drug policy
Guess he won't be coming back then. Though I do give props to him for coming out and saying he fucked up, rather than every other guy who gets caught and complains about how he had no idea how it got into his system</font> |
50 games is still incredibly lenient IMO, he should be thankful
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I expect the Jays to make one big free agent signing, I just don't know in what direction they'll lean. They've got to re-sign Wells and Lilly, that'll cost them. I would like to see a solid middle infielder with decent offensive numbers be brought in. Their pitching, if it can remain healthy and have Towers bounce back *should* do well enough.
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Awards thus far:
Roberto Clemente Award - Carlos Delgado Delivery Man of the Year Award (Top Closer) - Mariano Rivera Comeback Player: AL - Jim Thome Comeback Player: NJ - Nomar Garciaparra Hank Aaron Award: AL - Derek Jeter Hank Aaron Award: NL - Ryan Howard AL Gold Glove Winners: C - Ivan Rodriguez 1B - Mark Teixiera 2B - Mark Grudzelenek SS - Derek Jeter 3B - Eric Chavez OF - Torii Hunter OF - Vernon Wells OF - Ichiro Suzuki P - Kenny Rogers |
No real surprises there, I guess, except for Jeter winning the Hank Aaron Award. Usually goes to a slugger.
Oh yeah, and Mark Grudzielanek. Never would have called that one. |
Surprised Rivera got the delivery man the way everyone was riding Papelbon all year.
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lol Jeter beat out Alex Gonzlaves for the Gold Glove at Shortstop, makes sense...Jeter only made double the errors that Gonzo did, plus far less highlight reel plays
I guess he hustled for those ground outs or something though, HEART OF A CHAMPION |
lol remember when Palmeiro won the Gold Glove in 1999 while only playing like 30 games at first
Who selects this shit? Helen Keller? |
I think the Blue Jays are going to do something big. They are really close to making the playoffs, I could see them breaking the bank and getting Zito.
As for the Twins, I wish we would add Adam Eaton to be a consistant third starter, but Terry Ryan is probably going to let Scott Baker, Matt Garza and Boof Bonser develop and fill out the rotation, and it will probably end up working. I don't know if the Twins need a bat or not. The only position that is open would be third base or DH. I think Rondell White will be good next year. |
I'd think the Jays should go after a guy like Eaton before they go after a guy like Zito. Not that I'd mind as a Jay fan if they did land Zito.
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People are sayng Loretta might be pursued by the Jays, I dunno....
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Liriano to have Tommy John surgery and miss entire 2007 season
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I saw that coming. (Lirano)
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NL Gold Glove Winners:
C - Brad Ausmus 1B - Albert Pujols 2B - Orlando Hudson SS - Omar Vizquel 3B - Scott Rolen OF - Mike Cameron OF - Andruw Jones OF - Carlos Beltran P - Greg Maddux Maddux ties Jim Kaat for the record for most gold gloves by a pitcher (16). |
I'd like Loretta on the Jays, he is a real solid player.
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Man, Liriano may never be the same, too bad this happened to him. I liked him.
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I can't believe you guys are bringing up Nomar going back to the Red Sox :(
ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN :( |
I already made this post but it got ignored, so can anyone tell me how Jeter beat out Gonzo for the Gold Glove at Shortstop?
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Because he is the captain of the greatest team of all time, duh.
Where has the Miz been? |
<font color=goldenrod>Matsuzaka bidding reportedly down to the Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, and Rangers
I dunno. I just can't help but think Matsuzaka will be great anywhere BUT Shea...terrible luck with Japanese imports :(</font> |
I liked the Orioles for him, too bad.
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I just found this link to all free agents on the block from ESPN.
Couple of names that haven't made it on here yet. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/freeagents |
Yankees need starting pitching and I'd like to see them pick up Ted Lily again.
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Jason Schmidt's also a free agent.
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If the Red Sox bring back Nomar I will jerk off
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<font color=goldenrod>Sheff's option officially picked up. Wonder where he's off to now</font>
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the jays definitley need to adress their middle infield. I like Aaron Hill, but playign another year with John McDnald and Aaron Hill just won't cut it. Also, by not pickign up the option on Benji Molina nad Ted Lilly, Justin Spier and or/ Frank Catalaotto leaving, it'll free up some cash to adress that issue.
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What drug was mota on
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I kind of like the idea of Sheffield for Bonderman.
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Me too.
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Imagine this rotation:
Daisuke Matsuzaka Jeremy Bonderman Chien Ming Wang Mike Mussina Randy Johnson It'd definitely be worth it for the Yankees to let Sheffield go to a contender like Detroit, who have said Bonderman is on the block. Sheffield wants to play for Leyland again anyway. Makes perfect sense for everyone. |
You KNOW Bonderman would have the worst season of his career if he came over to the Bronx, then he'd be promptly traded to the White Sox and shine
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It's not like he's making the NL to AL transition like Vazquez. He already pitches in an actual major league division.
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I just think our pitching pick-ups (starting that is) have been average at best recently (besides Wang). Vazqeuz actually started really well (he was an all-star remember) but tailed off big time, Contreras was never consistent, Wright is even more inconsistent than Contreras, fuck knows what happened to Chacon...And Lidle? Well he died:-\
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There's a huge difference between Jeremy Bonderman and our last few pickups. Vazquez and Pavano pitched for small market NL teams. Contreares was a wild card and Jaret Wright, Lidle and Chacon were mediocre pitchers to begin with.
Bonderman is only 24 and already has 4 seasons in the majors. He's improved greatly every season and is ready for a breakout season. He strikes out 200 guys a year. He now has postseason experience. If he's not the kind of pitcher we should be going after then we shouldn't sign any free agent pitchers. |
Or trade for them, to be more accurate. He has the least question marks of any pitcher we've picked up since Mike Mussina.
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Loaiza was also a complete disaster but yeah you're right he's a different kettle of fish to the other guys by and large.
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Also I don't think Vazquez's downward spiral had anything to do with switching leagues, I'm sure he'd won 9 or 10 games by the all-star break in 2004 and had a very respectable ERA, he just lost it in the second half, weird.
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Well, I guess you could say by the second half the league got used to Vazquez' stuff and started pounding him.
Loaiza has got to be the most inconsistant pitcher of all time. |
Why would the Tigers make that trade?
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I think it's more wishful thinking on the part of Yankee fans, Stima.
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Thats like me saying I hope the Red Sox trade Mike Lowell for Albert Pujols, it has no chance of ever happening
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Rangers hire Washington as manager
By STEPHEN HAWKINS, AP Sports Writer November 6, 2006 AP - Nov 6, 10:35 am EST More Photos ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) -- Ron Washington has always been a popular coach with players, stressing communication and letting them be themselves. Now he will get his chance as a manager with the Texas Rangers, who wanted and needed somebody with those characteristics. "I am very thrilled. I don't think I can find words to express it right now," Washington said by cell phone while on a plane Monday, about to fly from his native New Orleans to Texas for his introduction. "Maybe one day I will find the words." Washington, a coach for the Oakland Athletics the past 11 seasons, was chosen over four other candidates to replace Buck Showalter and inherit a team that has had only one winning season since last making the playoffs in 1999. "Ron is a teacher and winner who brings a great deal of integrity to our organization," general manager Jon Daniels said. "He is a straightforward, energetic baseball man who we're excited to have lead the Rangers." ADVERTISEMENT A news conference was scheduled later Monday for Daniels and owner Tom Hicks to introduce their new manager. Washington's two-year contract includes two additional option years. The 54-year-old Washington is Rangers' 17th full-time manager and first black manager. When Showalter was fired after an 80-82 season with three years left on his contract, Daniels said the Rangers needed a "different perspective." Showalter was known for his hands-on approach that led to some discontentment in the clubhouse between some players and the manager. He was 319-329 in four seasons, and the Rangers never finished higher than third in the AL West under him. "The coaching staff and I have a hell of a task ahead," Washington said. The New York Yankees and Arizona Diamondbacks both won the World Series the year after Showalter left them. Washington takes over a team with three-time All-Star shortstop Michael Young, two-time Gold Glove and slugging first baseman Mark Teixeira and 16-game winner Kevin Millwood. All-Star outfielders Gary Matthews Jr. and Carlos Lee and 15-game winner Vicente Padilla are among seven Rangers who have filed for free agency. Washington was also a candidate in Oakland to replace fired A's manager Ken Macha. He first interviewed with Texas last month and met with Hicks, Daniels and other Rangers officials during another interview Sunday. "I've always said it's going to take a GM to convince an owner that I am the guy," Washington said. "Daniels convinced Mr. Hicks, and I'm very, very happy." AP - Nov 6, 10:30 am EST More Photos Washington played in 564 major league games over parts of 10 seasons for five teams (Los Angeles Dodgers, Minnesota, Baltimore, Cleveland and Houston). But his only managerial experience was two years in Class A in the New York Mets organization before his 11 seasons as Oakland's infield instructor and third-base coach. "I'm going to miss Oakland, and all the experiences I had the past 11 years and all of the people," Washington said. "I'm going to take all of that with me. I can just blaze my own trail now." Washington was popular with Oakland players, many who wanted him to be their new manager. He was instrumental in the development of six-time Gold Glove third baseman Eric Chavez and making the A's consistently one of the AL's top fielding teams. Two years ago, Chavez gave Washington one of his Gold Glove trophies with the inscription, "Wash, not without you." The other finalists for the Texas managerial job were Rangers bench coach Don Wakamatsu and Japan Series-winning manager Trey Hillman, an Arlington native and the Rangers' former director of player development. Both interviewed with Daniels and Hicks last week. New York Mets third base coach Manny Acta and Phillies minor league manager John Russell, a former Rangers catcher who caught one of Nolan Ryan's seven no-hitters, also interviewed but didn't meet with Hicks. Wakamatsu, with the Rangers the past four years, still has a year left on his contract. He is a candidate for the A's job, and the Rangers had given Oakland permission to speak with Wakamatsu if he wasn't their choice as manager. AP Sports Writer Janie McCauley contributed to this report. |
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Detroit has an excess of young power arms and they are looking for a big bat. They've been rumored to be shopping Bonderman around. The Yankees want to trade Sheffield and need young power arms. Sheffield is a premier slugger and he will be the cheapest one of his calibur availible at 13 million (with the Yankees possibly picking up some of the tab), which makes him a pretty attractive option. Sheffield also has been a bitch and is saying he is going to cause problems if he isn't traded somewhere he wants to be traded. Detroit is one of the teams he wants to play for, he wants to play for Leyland again who managed him to a World Series in Florida. Not that it matters to the Yankees where he is playing next year (as long as it's not Boston or the Mets, basically), but if Sheffield actually wants to play for Detroit they'd be a lot more likely to make a deal than a team where he doesn't want to play. It might seem stupid of the Tigers to trade a guy like Bonderman but they need a big bat if they want to contend again next year. I'm not saying they'll go for Sheffield but it's not that ridiculous. I personally could see a Mark Texieria for Jeremy Bonderman deal going down. |
I just can't see the Tigers trading a 24 year old pitcher for an overpaid, older slugger who is coming off a season where he barely played. It seems pretty ridiculous to me.
If they make that trade I hope they never make it to the playoffs for another 20 years or whatever it was. |
I think you put too much stock in Sheffield, FakeRazor. He's not the same guy he was 3-4-5 years ago.
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Yeah, Stima is right. Bonderman is too young to trade for somebody so old and overpriced. A more realistic deal for Bonderman would be somebody like Matsui, who still has really strong years for a team in its prime.
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And Your Hero, don't mean to leave you out. I agree with both.
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I'm not saying he's in his prime or anything, but he's definitely still a feared hitter and a viable middle of the order kind of guy. He's probably not worth Bonderman but it really isn't THAT out of the question. I mean if I were the Tigers I wouldn't make the deal but it isn't like it's as ridiculous as Lowell for Pujols. I also wouldn't call Sheffield overpriced at 13 million (which they might not even have to pay all of), especially considering what Soriano and Carlos Lee are going to get. He's definitely capable of putting up similar numbers too (minus the steals, but higher OBP and BA than Soriano). |
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I dunno I can't see trading a 24 year old arm for a 37 slugger just because he wants to play for the manager. Maybe Matsui, definetly not Sheffield - that trade would be ridiculous. |
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