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UFC: Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz

December 30

Predictions?

Sadly Chuck by KO in the 3rd round

Chuck's gf passed away

Hopefully Tito wins...the hell with it the 3 prior champions have dropped the belt ( Arlovski, Franklin, Hughes)..and the trend will continue..Ortiz by STOPPAGE !

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Originally Posted by The Naitch

Chuck's gf passed away

What?

And yeah I seriously hope Tito owns him, but I don't think it's gonna happen :(

yeah it's been kept on a downlow. He mentions it on his myspace

is Tito really dating Jenna Jameson?

or is that old news?

Yes he really is dating Jenna Jameson and yes that is kinda old news.

It's still a great piece of news though.

I'd pick Chuck for sure... but if you look at it on paper Tito has more strengths.

That being said, Chuck has heart, can take a punch, and hits like an ox on roids.

If Tito is an idiot, and didn't learn his lesson from the last ass kicking, he will try to stand up and get his ass handed to him again. BUT, if he is smart (and he is) he will be working on his take downs, watching videos of Chucks sprawl and trying to find ways to take Chuck to the ground.

I think we'll know who will win within the first round. If Tito tries 4 or 5 times to take Chuck down and gets rejected, he's hot headed and he'll stand up round two... and I really don't think that will be good for him. He is strong, he hits hard, and he moves well... but we have already seen what happens when Chuck gets Tito against the fence. His punchs were like homing missles, landing between every gap that gave him access to Titos face and body.

Also Willa Ford is quite a live there Natich

i never checked his myspace, just heard it from someone

I want Tito to win, but stats wise, Chuck has such a better stand up game it's not even funny. So long as Chuck isn't taken down by Tito (which frankly with Chuck's knock out ability it would be very risky for Ortiz to go for take downs) I think Liddell is gonna win. I predict either a 3rd or 4th round knock out.

HOWEVER, I am really pulling for Ortiz. And so long as Ortiz has worked on his stand up enough to be able to knock Chuck back enough to get into position to get him on the ground, Ortiz has a real chance to pulling this out and winning back his title.

Tito is too drained from having sex with Jenna that he will DROP THE BALL on this one

Iceman wins by KO in the FIRST ROUND

I will laugh if Tito gets KO'd in the 1st. But then I'll get really mad I paid for it.

you know who I back.

You fight him, you lose.

It's on the shirt

Ice Princess can kiss his career good bye after this.

Chuck in about 30 seconds via first punch he throws.

I dont watch UFC but want Tito Ortiz to get the shit beat out of him

Rooting for Liddell. Could be debated either way.

lol @ LC

You and I know it, Tito is going DOWN

Jenna Jameson will either DO GOOD for Tito or DO BAD for Tito

No in betweens

No shades of grey

I think if Tito can take it into the fourth round he'll win.

If Tito wins, Couture said he'd come out of retirement to whip him again.

As much as I'd like to see that, lets go Chuck

Liddell by KO late in the first or earily in the second.. Tito will try to shoot the whole time because he does not want to stand up with Chuck.. Chuck will defend the take downs and after feeling him out for awhile, Chuck will catch him with an over hand right while Tito is shooting.. We can ask Ortiz how the lighting is because he will end up on his back..

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Ice Princess can kiss his career good bye after this.

Seriously doubt it.. Even if he loses, he is still one of the best fighters in America today.. Also with Rampage coming there's a marquee rematch right there..

Don't we have an avatar bet on this fight??

Who eles is fighting?? I'm getting the PPV and heard that Forrest Griffen, Micheal Bisbane and a few others will be there.. Is Matt Serra fighting Anderson Silva??

I need to go look at the fight card..

TITO FUCKING ORTIZ~!

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Originally Posted by Innovator

If Tito wins, Couture said he'd come out of retirement to whip him again.

I don't think Couture could take Ortiz now.

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"The Iceman"

"Huntington Beach Bad Boy"

"The Dean of Mean"

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"Pit Bull"

"Pe De Pano"

"The Athlete"

"The Crippler"

"Ravishing Red"

"The Count"

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=5>Tony DeSouza Vs. Thiago Alves </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD vAlign=top><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Tony DeSouza</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6.1</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>170</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>9-2-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top>http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get...=90&h=120&ro=0
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"Pitbull"

"The Fury"

"Napao"

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=5>Yushin Okami Vs. Rory Singer </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD vAlign=top><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Yushin Okami</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6.2</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>18-3-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top>http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get...5A4CF8E8FC.jpg
</TD><TD>http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</TD><TD vAlign=top><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Rory Singer </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6.2</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>11-5-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top>http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get...=90&h=120&ro=0

"Outburst"

"The Hippo"

"The Hungarian Nightmare"

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Chuck Liddell Vs. Tito Ortiz - ORTIZ
Keith Jardine vs. Forrest Griffin - GRIFFIN (a friend of mine who lives in Vegas says he saw him training like a fucking monster)
Andrei Arlovski Vs. Marcio Cruz - ARLOVSKI
Jason MacDonald Vs. Chris Leben - LEBEN
Eric Schafer Vs. Michael Bisping - BISPING
Tony DeSouza Vs. Thiago Alves - ALVES
Carmelo Marrero Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - GONZAGA
Yushin Okami Vs. Rory Singer - OKAMI
Anthony Perosh Vs. Christian Wellisch - WELLISCH

Rory Singer is a faggot..

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Originally Posted by Rob

I agree with every pick except the first, being that I have called Chuck Liddell since the fight was announced, so I will pick my decision with him. Dont need to state why, was already mentioned a lot of times.

And baring a early knockout, I see the Griffin and Jardine match being the most exciting of the night. Both of those guys always come in great shape and are ready to fight. Hopefully, it will be a three round war, I would rather watch that and have it go to decision then see one or the other win definetively. Probably just me though :( .

The more I see of Keith Jardine, the more I like him. But I see Forrest winning this via decision in a slugfest

How bout another prediction...

What round will Chuck poke Tito in the eye?

I'm going with the 3rd which will then be followed with a KO punch by Chuck.

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Originally Posted by legend

How bout another prediction...

What round will Chuck poke Tito in the eye?

I'm going with the 3rd which will then be followed with a KO punch by Chuck.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Chuck gasping for air before the 3rd round. And that was a nice bashed up face he had on the promos for this fight on UFN6 last week.

WHat excuss do you think Tito will have this time?

Tito wins by decision

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Originally Posted by Stickman

WHat excuss do you think Tito will have this time?

Too much sex with Jenna Jameson

We were supposed go to the PPV at my bro's house but he's gotta work now..

I really really wanted to see Tito get knocked the fuck out..

:(

Bisping won TKO in 1st

CRO COP IS COMING

Arlovski won via TKO in 1st

Can't wait, my buddys texting me with who won, he's at the bar watching, can't wait until he has to type out Liddel and send it to me :)

JARDINE OVER FORREST, TKO 1st ROUND

:eek: :y:

I never really liked Forrest

Did the Ortiz/Liddel fight happen yet?

Chuck wins by stoppage in the third.

Is that a prediction or result?

Ice Princess's career is over now :lol:

oh wait...yeah Chuck owned Tito once again, looks forward to fighting Rampage again.

Tito was pretty gracious in defeat, saying that it was the best fight Tito could have fought.

I wish they had atleast talked to Rampage..

Liddell is the f'n man.. I thought it was over at the end of the first..

Can't believe Jardine beat Forrest.. He brought the thunder at the end..

Good PPV.. Not a single decision..

p.s. even that undercard fight after the main event was bad ass..

CRO COP

:y:

Also, Aderson Silva's jacket was the flyest shit I've ever seen..

Leben looked like he was strung out on crystal meth..

I got a question

Why do they put an undercard fight after the main event?

Shouldn't the main event be the last match?

Jason MacDonald's Guillotine... Holy Fuck!

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Originally Posted by The Naitch

I got a question

Why do they put an undercard fight after the main event?

Shouldn't the main event be the last match?

So they can fill up the extra time.

Also I kinda wish Chuck did poke Tito in they eye so I could have an excuse, but yeah Chuck is on another level right now.

Guess I will use a Chuck Liddel avatar now :(

Nah, Tito will complain that the ref had no reason to stop the fight. Tito always has an excuse.

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Originally Posted by Destor

Nah, Tito will complain that the ref had no reason to stop the fight. Tito always has an excuse.

Not this time.

He clearly said Chuck was the better fighter.

Let him sleep on it. ;)

Tito should complain. Chuck maybe landed 2 or 3 punches when it was stopped. Nearly all of them hit Tito's forearms. Premature stoppage in my eyes. Especially since Tito clearly weathered the storm in the first and came back to win the second.

Also, Dave Meltzer must be insane if he thinks the first round was a 10-8 and that Chuck won the second round. A 10-8 round is when you are on the verge of ending the fight and being that Tito took the fight back standing, how the hell could he be on the verge of losing?

Can't wait for Rampage vs. Liddell now.

Michael Bisping is going to be a superstar

Also Jason McDonald seems like he is one of the nicest guys ever.

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Originally Posted by The Naitch

I got a question

Why do they put an undercard fight after the main event?

Shouldn't the main event be the last match?

Unlike wrestling, they can't copntrol how long matches last.. No match the other night went the distance so they had dead air to fill at the end.. As a paying customer, I want the whole 3 hours..

Tito ran the entire match.. We he wasn't running, he was getting destroyed by the best sprawl in the game today.. Premature or not, Tito lost..

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, Liddell did nothing wrong. I can also see a debate for and against the stoppage. My own opinion was that it was premature but Tito himself didn't seem pissed about it. Liddell is the man at 205lbs right now.

For anyone that didn't see the Liddell/Ortiz 2 fight

http://rapidshare.com/files/9810208/...Tito.Ortiz.wmv

To sum it up, Tito was not defending himself in a manner that would of allowed it to continue, he says it himself in a post fight press conference on ufc.com that he did not see where the punches were coming in the third round.

A clear knockdown in the first round would probably be why they would of called it 10-8, even though it was ruled a 10-9 by the official judges.

And Tito didnt "win" anything in his fight. He had 1 takedown, and yes that could technically mean that he won on points in the 2nd round, but its a stretch to even say that he "took the fight back standing" whenver Tito never once had Chuck in any position to win the fight standing or otherwise. Chuck had constant control of the fight, and had Tito running away from him constantly.

Their was actually a point in the fight where Tito backed into the cage in the first round after getting beaten and it was obvious that he didnt even know where the cage was when he backed into it.

Chuck beat his ass. Tito knew he got his ass handed to him, and said it multiple times in his interview.

The ppv was awesome though.

ANother thing the Super Saturday show in Feburary is stacked.

They have 4 main event calibur matches.

Pretty fuckin hot.

Also Chuck Liddell fought with a Torn ACL. He Tore it 3 weeks ago and he kept it a secert.

Thats pretty tough

The 10 point round system is for boxing, not MMA..

They should come up with a new scoring system..

So say Rampage out of the blue comes out and loses his next fight. Who the heck would fight Liddell?

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Originally Posted by Crimson

So say Rampage out of the blue comes out and loses his next fight. Who the heck would fight Liddell?

That would mean "The Beast" Eastman would beat Rampage so I'd say he'd get the next shot..

Before Sat night, I would have said Forrest Griffin but who knows now..

I was thinking it was an early stoppage but seriously, why would the ref not stop when one fighter is in the fetal position?

When Tito was covering up, yeah a lot of punches hit his arm, but a lot did get through. He took quite a few to the back of his head.

He was blocking alot of Liddell's punches..

It's the fact that it was with his head and face that made the ref stop the fight..

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Originally Posted by Crimson

So say Rampage out of the blue comes out and loses his next fight. Who the heck would fight Liddell?

I am not sure if Rampage's next fight is even for #1 contender. I realize that he is a big name they are bringing in, but Chuck will fight again before he fights Rampage. If Rampage wins his first fight, then they will probably put him in for a #1 contender's fight after that.

Before people say anything, yes I know UFC has brought people in and had them fight for the belt in their 2nd fight (Nate Quarry, Anderson Silva), but you would think that out of respect to the other up and comer 205's (Rashad Evans, not so much Forrest since he lost, Keith Jardine) would get their chance before he would because they have had more fights in the UFC.

I guess it just comes down to whether or not they want to interest MMA fans, or UFC fans. Like they said Saturday, MMA fans know Rampage, but UFC fans dont. So they are going to want to expose him to the fans before they throw him in their. Its all about the $$.

Now, if he goes in to his fight with Beastman and just mops the floor with him (i.e. Anderson Silva and Chris Leben), he will probably get his shot his next fight.

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

He was blocking alot of Liddell's punches..

It's the fact that it was with his head and face that made the ref stop the fight..

I love you.

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

He was blocking alot of Liddell's punches..

It's the fact that it was with his head and face that made the ref stop the fight..

That would be funnier if it were actually true.

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Originally Posted by Rob

That would be funnier if it were actually true.

It was true...sort of. Watch it again, quite a few did get through, and as I said, if a fighter is in the fetal position, they will always end it.

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Originally Posted by Rob

That would be funnier if it were actually true.

It would be funnier if the ref hadn't stop it, and Liddell continued to dominate Ortiz..

I knew people would bust out excuses as soon as the fight was over..

-Tito ran the ENTIRE fight
-Tito's only offense was shooting, which was defended all but ONE time
-Liddell rocked him, then continued to be aggresive, while Tito did nothing but lay in the fetal position

Tito lost..

I mean, if he'd grabbed an ankle or try to get to his feet, you'd have an arguement but he didn't.. He luckily blocked a few punches dureing the final flurry but you could tell he was through.. He seemed spent and looked like he was happy it was stopped..

Want to argue whether or not fights are stopped early, write a letter to the UFC.. The bottom line is, he was dominated and even he admitted it..

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Originally Posted by Rob

I knew you'd come in here and try to make that argument. Tito got owned the vast majority of that fight, were those blows landing at the end of the fight? For the most part no. Was Tito defending himself? No, he was lying there like a woman waiting for the insertion. If you aren't going to defend yourself or try to escape you might as well tap because the ref will end it there every time.

Why the hell wasn't 'Big' John working the main event??

I do think it was ended too soon, even though he was getting his ass handed to him. I wanted to see Chuck knock him out.

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

He was blocking alot of Liddell's punches..

It's the fact that it was with his head and face that made the ref stop the fight...

:lol:

I hope this will shut up Tito Ortiz.

Tito lost, plain and simple. I don't like saying that, but it's totally true.

It's being reported that Ortiz's ankle and shoulder were hurt bad before the match and he was also suffering from fatigue and an irregular heartbeat (which caused confusion and dizziness during the match) as he had spent the hours before the fight with Jenna.

Well I def give Ortiz props here as he went into the fight at prob 13% out of 100 and still managed to go 3 rounds with the Ice Princess. Nothing but class.

I think he should get another shot when he's @ 100% next time.

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

What did I tell you? Give him a night or two to sleep on it.

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Originally Posted by Destor

Owend the vast majority of the fight. Well he got owned for the flurry in the 1st and the 3rd when it was stopped. That's not the "vast majority" of a fight now is it? He also won the second so it was 19-19 on points going into the third. Still not owned. Was Tito defending himself? Well if you call having your arms over your face and take the majority of the shots aimed at your face on your arms then I guess he was. He took 19 punches and only 4 hit his head. And Randy Couture - the expert color announcer on the show - said right when it was stopped "it's not hurting him. He is hitting his arms mostly but he's not hurting him". I'd take Randy's word for it too considering he has taken punches from Liddell and Ortiz. And Tito also took a bigger beating in the first round in my opinion and he survived that.

You come on here making out there is zero debate that it was a early stoppage. Well people are debating it all over the net. It's simple really. Ortiz stopped 15 out of 19 punches from hitting his face and wasn't knocked unconcious and thus was intellegently defending himself. Whether he would have taken other 50 punches after it is debating but the fact is that he only took 4 punches to the head when he was on mat.

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Originally Posted by Destor

What did I tell you? Give him a night or two to sleep on it.

LC is joking.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I can see where you could say it was stopped early, but it wasn't like Tito was trying to do anything from the fetal position. I think if it went on all that would have happened was Chuck reigning down more punches to Tito. It's better to let the fight end like that than let Tito take more unanswered punches to his head. Also the difference between the 1st and 3rd rounds was that Tito was trying to escape in the 1st, and to his credit he survived an onslaught which not a lot of guys have been able to do.

I didn't see you guys complaining when the last Ortiz/Shamrock bout was stopped..

You know why??

Because regaurdless whether or not it was stopped early, Ortiz won in dominating fashion..

Chuck did the same..

Cry about it..

Yeah Rob, just checked the "Ortiz/Shamrock III" thread and you didn't say a single word about early stoppage.. And it was stopped after like 5 unanswered elbows, not after 20 punches..

How do you type while clinging to Ortiz' cock??

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Originally Posted by The Ravishing One

Why the hell wasn't 'Big' John working the main event??

Cuz he sucks. No seriously, I think he would've stopped it in round 1.

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

Difference is Shamrock had no defence. He actually took 5 unanswered elbows. If Ortiz took 5 of Liddell's haymakers straight to the face, I wouldn't debate the stoppage. But he didn't even take 2 straight punches to the face out of 19. FACT.

Clinging to Ortiz's cock? Blah blah blah. It's the same nonsense from you lot everytime I defend anyone. I got accused of nut hugging Dave Meltzer before and I buried his scoring of this fight. It doesn't matter that it's Tito Ortiz. It could have been Liddell taking the punches from Ortiz and my arguement would still be the same. Randy Couture had the same arguement I did and yet he is hardly Tito's best pal. I guess he wants Tito's cock too right?

The point is the stoppage was debatable. I'm still not saying it was wrong and I do agree that it's better to stop it early than stop it too late. But it's still debatable. Anyone denying it was arguable is a fucking idiot.

It's a subjective decision left up to the ref..

You bitching about it is like me bitching about a questionable pass interference call in football..

It does nothing..

As long as humans are in charge of making calls like this, questionable calls will be made.. Simple as that.. The fact is, it was not near as close of a fight as you're making it out to be.. Liddell owned him the ENTIRE fight minus the one takedown.. Tito even said he flat out lost in the post fight interview..

I just don't see why, when he isn't questioning it, you are..

Oh and I was joking about the "clinging to his cock" thing..

I know you are not a little faggot fanboy like LooseCannon..

ow, just heard Ortiz was in a car accident and had surgery to repair his kneecap 5 hours before the fight. just wow. this guy continues to amaze.

I heard he even accepted Ken Shamrock's apology afterwards for hitting him.

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus

It's a subjective decision left up to the ref..

You bitching about it is like me bitching about a questionable pass interference call in football..

It does nothing..

Nothing any of us say on internet forums does anything. That's why we do it.