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St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 08:02 PM

Official RAW Thread (2/19/2007): Friend or Foes?/Money In The Bank 3.
 
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One night after No Way Out, wild twists and turns abound on the Road to WrestleMania as Raw returns to Bakersfield, Calif., and its regular Monday night time slot.

Will HBK still have Cena's back when the Champ battles Orton?

John Cena and Shawn Michaels were true to their word at No Way Out—Cena battled alongside HBK as hard as he will against him when they meet at WrestleMania 23, while The Showstopper had the WWE Champ’s back during their unbelievable victory against World Champion Batista and Undertaker Sunday night. So what’s next for the World Tag Team Champions? Will they remain allies going into Bakersfield tonight, or will their mutual respect for one another begin to crumble under the weight of championship gold? We won't have to wait long to find out, as Cena will be in action tonight when he takes on Randy Orton.

“Bank” qualifiers apply

With WrestleMania 23 looming, it’s time to get a championship contract in place—specifically, inside a briefcase latched over the ring within Detroit’s Ford Field. The first round of “Money in the Bank” Qualifying Matches begins in Bakersfield tonight, with Edge squaring off against ECW’s Rob Van Dam. Since the Rated-R Superstar and the ECW Original were the respective “Bank” winners of the past two WrestleManias, this encounter ensures that one will not earn a bid into the match at the granddaddy of them all. Who will be the first to cash out?

Girls’ Fight Out

As announced last week, Melina meets Mickie James for the Women’s Championship tonight on Raw. The primal-screaming Diva’s first attempt two weeks ago proved unsuccessful, but she may have earned an A-list advantage after scoring a pinfall over the Women’s Champion in last week’s Mixed Tag Team Match. Will Melina’s success carry over from the red carpet to the ring, or can Mickie keep the gold around her waist?

Be sure to watch Raw live this Monday night when it seriously turns up the California heat at 9/8 CT on USA Network.

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 08:20 PM

Yeah.

Caged Heat18 02-19-2007 08:30 PM

WOOOOOOOOO!!!!

JT 02-19-2007 08:31 PM

Wow...I haven't posting in one of these since Spring last year.

So, anyone else watching Heroes tonight?

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 08:55 PM

McMahon/Trump being pushed as the focal point once again.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 08:56 PM

THE BARBERSHOP

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 08:56 PM

Ah come on, how much would it have cost to bring in Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake to host this segment? Damn it.

6to1 02-19-2007 08:56 PM

no bells for awesome i am suprised

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 08:57 PM

Missed opportunity.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 08:59 PM

They should bring in Beefcake to cut the losers hair, ala Wrestlemania III in Detroit.

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:00 PM

Britney's obviously gone sparko. That's a little low.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:01 PM

McMahon should give Trump a Shannon Moore.

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:02 PM

Heh heh... sowing the seeds for Hogan to be Trump's representative?

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:02 PM

KHALI

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:02 PM

Don't be Khali....

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:02 PM

Ohhhhh SWERVE

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:02 PM

Hmm.... so is Foley gonna represent Trump then?

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:03 PM

Is this the seeds for Foley???

Caged Heat18 02-19-2007 09:03 PM

Well, better than Khali I suppose.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:04 PM

Umaga's only indestructable if he's not facing Cena.

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caged Heat18
Well, better than Khali I suppose.

A million times.

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:04 PM

Unawesome

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:05 PM

Bye Bye Jeff, hope you took plenty of drugs.

ClockShot 02-19-2007 09:05 PM

Brutus the Barber is back!?

Is that Sinnead O'Connor?

I was guessing Khali.

Good evening everyone. Sorry I'm late.

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:06 PM

Yeah, I jumped in the party late. This is obviously how they figured out the old Foley vs. McMahon deal.

In a rare-double whamey post, I deem the near-fact that Jeff is about to lose his title to Umaga to be very shitty.

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:06 PM

Trump will pick Kahli?

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:08 PM

:( Umaga. Whatever. Jeff Hardy looks so ridiculous doing that thing at the top of the ramp. Kinda funny actually.

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

So they're gonna leave the IC title off the card again? Nice.

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

Better be Foley. Pissed Umaga came out, what a let down. I was looking forward to Shane.

One good thing, is either Umaga loses or Trump gets his head shaved. Now wouldn't it have made much more sense to keep him undefeated so that it would be hard to believe that he would lose.

Instead they had him drop it to Cena, should have just had him lose both times in a no contest and move onto this.

Caged Heat18 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

Jeff better not lose. I want to see the IC title defended at Wrestlemania.

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

If Umaga wins the IC championship thats a joke

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

Hardy's going to get ran over.

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

Way to fuck up a push and a possible future main-eventer. . .either direction this goes really.

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:09 PM

So who's looking forward to the day AFTER Mania now?

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:11 PM

Maybe Umaga will win this here then Trump will pick Jeff Hardy. . .I would mark out so fucking hard.

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:11 PM

God I hate Umaga

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caged Heat18
Jeff better not lose. I want to see the IC title defended at Wrestlemania.

I'm sure Jeff will either be in the MITB match or in a tag match with Matt.
But yea, I'd like to see the IC title defended. I'd rather see someone like Carlito take it off Jeff.

Maybe if Umaga wins it here, they have Carlito take flairs advice to step it up. Challenge Umaga next week. Trump announces Foley and Foley costs Umaga the IC title.

Carlito wins the title and rubs it in Ric Flairs face, turns on him. Build that match.

Like that booking?

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:12 PM

Nah, Umaga is the goods.

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:12 PM

On a slightly related note, Jeff should sign an advertising deal with skittles.



FRUITY FRUITY FRUITY SKITTLES











FRUITY

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:12 PM

the whisper in the wind is super impressive

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:13 PM

Whichever way you look at it, this year's WrestleMania is already more appealing on paper than last year's was when the full card had been announced. Okay, last years show was a pleasant surprise when all was said and done, but it was hardly an inspiring card.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

FUCK FUCK FUCK

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

LOL Fans = Ownd.

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

How very Anticlimactic thank you

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

Hmm... so Umaga is dropping the belt at Mania then? Unless it's non-title.

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

There was nothing good about that match except for some of the actual wrestling.

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

Has anyone noticed how credibly booked Jeff has been since winning that IC belt? Its refreshing.

He's handed Johnny Nitros ass to him, and all the other compettitors.
He's beaten Flair and Dykstra from even qualifying for title matches.
Hell, even when facing Umaga and Khali he's put up legitimate fights when they squash most guys.


and forget everything I just said cuz he lost the belt

ClockShot 02-19-2007 09:14 PM

Lillian got the night off?

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

AAAAAAAHHHHHH SAMOA

Caged Heat18 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

That's terrible.

Fignuts 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

YUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Umaga rules.

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

By the way, I called Umaga winning the Intercontinental title a month ago. Okay, just a few weeks late, but still...

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

Dude no one cares about Umaga

like at all

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

lmao edge looks like such a queer in that pic

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:15 PM

Shadow's crying himself to sleep.

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:17 PM

My plan is still to have Trump hire Jeff and go over Umaga. . .

Fignuts 02-19-2007 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord
Dude no one cares about Umaga

like at all

See my above post.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:17 PM

Hogan vs Umaga

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
Whichever way you look at it, this year's WrestleMania is already more appealing on paper than last year's was when the full card had been announced. Okay, last years show was a pleasant surprise when all was said and done, but it was hardly an inspiring card.

This Mania sucks on Ice. Only possible good to come of it is a possibly clean job by Cena. Other than that, Detroit got fucked.

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:17 PM

my beloved IC title belt is currently being held by the worst holder of it I can think of

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts
See my above post.

No one important :p

Caged Heat18 02-19-2007 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Optimist
My plan is still to have Trump hire Jeff and go over Umaga. . .

From a storyline stand point, why would Trump hire a man who just got beat cleanly, by his would be opponent?

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:19 PM

I like how the WWE works. Push Umaga straight to the title without even challenging for any other title after less than a year, have him get beat twice, then dominate the well-built mid-card champion.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:19 PM

Foley!

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:19 PM

Umagas just not an IC champion. He's just not

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

Foleeeey

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeritron5000
my beloved IC title belt is currently being held by the worst holder of it I can think of

The Mountie? Dean Douglas? Greg Valentine? Albert? Godfather?

Surely not?

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

I love Mick so very much

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

I'm totally getting that book

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

FOLEY next week

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeritron5000
my beloved IC title belt is currently being held by the worst holder of it I can think of

Khali.

Pwned.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:20 PM

Woooooooooo

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeritron5000
my beloved IC title belt is currently being held by the worst holder of it I can think of

Even worse than Snitsky?

ClockShot 02-19-2007 09:21 PM

Ah ha. So Foley is gonna pull a Hogan.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:21 PM

Carlito heel turn

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Even worse than Snitsky?

Hairless Snitsky >>>>>> Umaga

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

Did they announce Foley for next week or something? Because there has been no mention/sign of Foley here on the UK broadcast, but everyone suddenly started talking about him.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

So now Carlito is gonna win by cheating.

Caged Heat18 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

I want a Carlito heel turn.

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
The Mountie? Dean Douglas? Greg Valentine? Albert? Godfather?

Surely not?

Albert sucked. Dean Douglas and Greg Valentine were easily better. Godfather 99 is better than Umaga anyday. They suck too, but Umaga is just...no.

At the very least, the worst IC champion in years, and one of the worst of all time.

St. Jimmy 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

I'm kinda hoping they book something like Carlito vs. Flair in a Cage

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
The Mountie? Dean Douglas? Greg Valentine? Albert? Godfather?

Surely not?

Valentine and Jacques Rogeau???

Are you nuts?

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

Snitsky was never IC champion.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:22 PM

whoa. wtf. are u kidding me. its a tag match? fuck.

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
Did they announce Foley for next week or something? Because there has been no mention/sign of Foley here on the UK broadcast, but everyone suddenly started talking about him.


FOLEY!

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caged Heat18
From a storyline stand point, why would Trump hire a man who just got beat cleanly, by his would be opponent?

Two points come to mind, WWE doesn't really care that much if things make sense, especially when it can be justified that Jeff would be picked by a man who knows little to nothing about wrestling.

Secondly, the match could easily change in the coming weeks, maybe Trump confidently asks to make it a No DQ match or some other sort of gimmick match that would make it much more plausible for Hardy to win at.

Fignuts 02-19-2007 09:23 PM

I don't get the Umaga hate.

He plays his role fantastic, and has a more interesting moveset than most bigger sized wrestlers. Yeah his finisher is kinda lame, but it has kinda grown on me, and the people he uses it on usually do a good enogh job selling it that it actually does look fairly brutal.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts
I don't get the Umaga hate.

He plays his role fantastic, and has a more interesting moveset than most bigger sized wrestlers. Yeah his finisher is kinda lame, but it has kinda grown on me, and the people he uses it on usually do a good enogh job selling it that it actually does look fairly brutal.

Exactly.

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeritron5000
GOULET!


NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Valentine and Jacques Rogeau???

Are you nuts?

Valentine was a miserable bore. All that "it takes him fifteen minutes just to warm up" bullshit was just an excuse as to why his matches sucked. I liked Rougeau as a worker, and the Mountie character was a scream, but the character was a whipping boy, and a 2 day reign (or whatever it was)? Not a glorious period for the IC title. Good job he was sandwiched between two of the best, Hart and Piper.

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Jimmy
I'm kinda hoping they book something like Carlito vs. Flair in a Cage

LOL I love how little development they have EVER. They tag teaming right now, they'd have to work pretty fucking hard to make it Cage-worthy by WM.

Not that that wouldn't be awesome, but I doubt it'll be worked out.

Fignuts 02-19-2007 09:25 PM

Godfather may have been better on the mic, but he IN NO WAY is better than umaga in the ring.

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:27 PM

Get Carlito some matching trunks, and hook these two up as a tag team. "The Nature Boys". Keeps Flair out of singles competition, gives Carlito a rub and stops him being buried in the midcard... everyone's happy.

KingofOldSchool 02-19-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
Valentine was a miserable bore. All that "it takes him fifteen minutes just to warm up" bullshit was just an excuse as to why his matches sucked. I liked Rougeau as a worker, and the Mountie character was a scream, but the character was a whipping boy, and a 2 day reign (or whatever it was)? Not a glorious period for the IC title. Good job he was sandwiched between two of the best, Hart and Piper.

Valentine was one of the most underrated workers in the 80's. Have you even watched any of his old NWA or WWF work from the 80's?

The Optimist 02-19-2007 09:28 PM

Well. . .besides the booking for Umaga which I've pointed out already, there's how stupid the gimmick itself is, including how non-sensical it's become, the fact that Jamal can obviously do better. There's other things, but I hate Umaga too much to explain it now.

SammyG 02-19-2007 09:28 PM

that backcracker looks painful.

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:28 PM

Was David Flair fucking Torrie? Or just Stacey?

Jeritron 02-19-2007 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts
I don't get the Umaga hate.

He plays his role fantastic, and has a more interesting moveset than most bigger sized wrestlers. Yeah his finisher is kinda lame, but it has kinda grown on me, and the people he uses it on usually do a good enogh job selling it that it actually does look fairly brutal.

Fair enough, you like him and thats okay. I made a thread about wrestlers people like and nobody else gets why.
But even if he was good, he's still not an IC champion. It just pisses me off. Jeff was starting to have a credible reign. And of all the choices of midcarders to take the title off of Jeff (carlito,dykstra,nitro) they throw it on Umaga just because they want him to look good for that match.

Skippord 02-19-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts
Godfather may have been better on the mic, but he IN NO WAY is better than umaga in the ring.

HO Train > Running ass to the face

NeanderCarl 02-19-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Valentine was one of the most underrated workers in the 80's. Have you even watched any of his old NWA or WWF work from the 80's?

Yes. Boring.

And he had the absolute worst haircut I have ever seen in the early 90s.


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