NFL Offseason topic...
 

I guess we should just keep all the offseason moves in here.The first big one was yesterday with Mark Brunell signing with Washington. This pisses me off for so many reasons. I wanted Brunell is Dallas. Washington doesn't even need a QB, especially one who costs as much as Brunell. They have Ramsey who is good and they have a pretty good backup for him with Tim Hasselbeck.

As for Dallas, I'm starting to feel okay with Quincy Carter probably starting next year. He DID take his team to the playoffs without much help on offense and showed SOME improvement. Hopefully they can draft a good RB.

So yeah, discuss any off season happenings right here.

Lions are going to the superbowl. can you dig it, sucka? i know i can.

I hope they get their tickets early. :D

By the way, early prediction. Colts-Cowboys Super Bowl!

AHAHAHAHA.

The money they gave to Brunell would have been much better spent on Champ Bailey

Cowboys are overrated

I'm joking about the Colts-Cowboys thing. It's impossible to predict this early. Hell, it could be Detroit-Cincy the way things have been in the NFL lately. Parcells in his second year though... they WILL win a playoff game.

BTW, I think they put a franchise tag on Champ Bailey. This Brunell thing just boggles my mind though.

:mad:

Now, before certain posters get their panties in a knot...

It's nice to have an off-season thread, but if you think people aren't going to start new threads about major moves or off season issues...

now, thats out of the way.

Gotta say... I see the Pats going back...

The core of the team will probably be intact.

They get back one of the best pass rushing LB in the league. (will he lose a step is a different story).

Plus they have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds of what is being called the deepest draft in 10yrs.

Here's how I see the draft needs.
RB - I wouldn't be shocked to see them go RB in round #1, it's not there style, but the need is there.
LB - Great core, getting older... time to get a young MLB to groom behind TJ and Bruschi.
CB - Might be Ty Law's last year and Poole show'd in the superbowl he played over his head most of the year.
WR - Tough call, wouldn't mind seeing a OL since they will probably lose Woody, but I still think they need a 6'2 or 6'3 WR... although, Givens (6ft) looks like he could be the big WR, wouldn't mind seeing another... just not sure who'se out there... Theres talk of Keyshon... while on one hand that scares me, if Belicheck does it, then he must feel he has a connection with the guy.

Yeah I know people will start new topics about major happenings but this can just be an overall discussion as thing progress.

New England should still be good next year but I can't see a team in today's NFL winning 2 straight Super Bowls. New England won 2 in 3 years but that one year in between, they couldn't even make the playoffs. Everyone thought Tampa would be going back this year, myself included.

Terrell Owens = Newest Philadelphia Eagle

Well, if that happens and it probably will, then Philly won't be losing another championship game.

As in, they won't be making it to begin with. Even if Andy Reid got Owens under control so he didn't hurt the team in the long run, Philly still won't be going to the championship game again.

I heard stuff about the Patriots possibly getting Duce Staley and then using their draft picks on other places..dunno though

Stephen Jackson is the best running back in the draft, I think they are going for a back they should go after him....meaning they'd have to trade up. I don't want Perry or Kevin Jones unless Faulk gets released because they are basically the same type of back.

If the Pats for a back I think they should go after DJ Williams from Miami..hes an outside backer but I think he'd be a good fit in the defense with his crazy speed. Patriots still have Mark Chattam (SP?) and hes a capable backer so they might not go backer right away.

Personally I'd like to see the Patriots draft Wilfork from Miami, he is A BEAST..especially if they lose Ted Washington. Wilfork is big but he can move, I think he is going to end up being the best player (well alteast not including all the WRs) in the draft.

Patriots could also go WR...there is so many good WR in the draft this year, especially since Mike Williams from USC is coming out. (PLUS Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Williams, Roy Williams, Lee Evans + a few others)

If the Pats get Duce Staley I think it will definately be a step down. And I wasn't high on Kevin Faulk in the first place. There will be better backs available though.

I thought faulk already got released. I don't really get washington though I mean 7 years 43 million for a QB that is probably ranked around 17-22 of starters or Champ Bailey an easy top 5 corner. Cinci should try and get champ :love:

Yea..I wasn't sure if they picked up Faulk or whatever yet..I know they let Smith go.

I'm just saying, I don't think KJones or Perry would be much different then Faulk..and Faulk is only a 3rd down back really.

'Skins are also stupid, they had Ramsey...why not give him a chance? They gave Arrington big money but then they don't give Bailey big money too? Arrington is good, but Bailey is probably like top 3 in his position..while I dunno about Arrington being a top 3 LB

I can't wait til football season starts....I could talk about this shit all day

not for the two draft picks

they need more than a corner

I hope they draft Wilfork because they need a big fat d lineman

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/7098977

Champ isn't going anywhere. -edit- maybe he is. I'm confused by this whole "Franchise player" thing.

Still a bad decision to spend all that money of Brunell.

Mike Williams is COMING OUT????

:drool: Damn talk about the best reciever draft ever. Dallas should draft one of 'em :|.

Faulk's a free agent... dunno if he'll be back, I think he could be... depends on how much he wants, but where he can return kicks and be a 3rd down back, I think they'll try and keep him.

Theres a rumor they might package the 2 first round picks to Houston to move up and grab Steven Jackson, they suprised everyone going after a big free agent last year (Colvin), so trading up to grab the top RB, wouldn't be a big shock, and with two picks in round #2, it wouldn't hurt them.

OF course, this depends on him still being there at #10 and Houston wanting to trade down, etc... etc...

Steven Jackson is the truth...they should do it if hes there

I heard this on the radio. Wow bad decision if Denver give up Portis for Bailey.

They were also talking about how Portis only makes half a mil. a year. Unbelievable.

Wouldn't exactly be bad. They'd be getting something they need horribly, and sending away somebody from a position they seem to have no problem filling. Oh, and pick(s).

Thats a pretty good trade from Denver's standpoint. Portis is a great running back but Shanahan has a history of being able to turn mediocre guys into very good runners. Bailey is a top corner back, plus they'd get a pick out of it.

Now that I think of it, if Olandis Gary can look good behind Denver's o-line, maybe it's not such a bad idea.

My understanding is that a team can put the franchise player tag on one of their free agents. This means that they get a one year contract worth the average of the top 5 salaries at their position. When free agency starts any team can match the contract but then they need to give the team two first round picks.

oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man the Bengals might sign the Freak

Titans didnt put the franchise tag on Kearse

If Kearse gets back to old form then that'd be pretty sick

Has really stood out the last few years tho

Portis for Bailey... both players are unhappy... and Denver feels they already have a replacement (forgot his name, he had 2-3 100yd games this year). and with Denvers OL, everyone has looked good back there.

That being said, does Washington really want to giveup such a good DB?

Washington will prolly draft Sean Taylor with their first pick and he looks like Pro Bowl material

they could go after WIll Poole in the second round too

VEL..Griffin had 2 100 yd games

Sean Taylor is also the truth when it comes to DB

I'm hoping for one of three guys for the Bengals pick

Jonathan Vilma
Chris Gamble
Vince Wilfork

Itd be sweet if Boulware was around for the Bengals second pick but hes pretty tiny for a LB

Boss Bailey was around in the 2nd round......Boulware might be

Vilma is prob gonna slip in the draft too because of his size. Wilfork is a beast. Gamble will prob be a pretty good conorback but I dunno I think he shoulda stayed at school for one more year. He played like poop in the biggest game of the season at OSU

A lot of talk down here that Mike Williams shoulda stayed in school. I mean right now he's like the 3rd best reciever and might go 10-15. If he would came out next year a top 5 pick woulda been almost guaranteed . I wish he coulda stayed to make a run at the Heisman and win the championship, but hell it's hard to pass up the pro's when you have the chance so you can't blame him. It's also funny how many people are now saying that he'll struggle in the NFL because he's not fast enough and won't be able to overpower the db's. LOL I think Jerry Rice had the same problem coming out of college, and so did Boldin last year. :roll:

Bengals have like the 50th pick and I think Boulware will go late 30s

Gamble is the best athlete Ive ever seen and if he works on his shit he'll be rediculous

Keyshawn for Galloway rumors. Hmm.. dunno about that one, Galloway has underachieved , but we have Bryant already as the possesion reciever. **** this we need a qb and runningback .

Galloway has underachieved because he hasn't had a QB to get the ball to him. Apparently the Cowboys aren't in a hurry to replace Quincy though. He just isn't accurate so no WR will help. I wouldn't mind Keyshawn coming over though. Parcells is the one man that can definately coach him and keep him grounded.

I don't really care if Key is there as long as he stays under the radar. But he isn't really that much of an upgrade anyways, we need a ****ing runningback and quincy sucks. But I guess he'll have to do since nobody else is out there. Hopefully they upgrade their defense more at corner, and defensive end.

Quincy Carter is bunk and their running game is terrible..Cowboys wont go anywhere with Troy Hambrick as their starting tailback

Funny how EVERYONE said that last year. Although I do also think they will probably win like 6-8 games as of right now.

LOL looks like unless san fran trades owens he's not going anywhere he didn't file the papers to make him a free agent.

Lazy bastard.

Wow. Speaking of the 49ers, they released Garrison Hearst.

yeah I would be given my agent a throw off a building if I were him.

they signed barlow long term the other day that's why :p

Well if they keep Owens its not as if he's going to just refuse to play. Unlike Moss, Owens has a pretty solid work ethic even if he is cocky

lol. Didn't Owens lead the league in dropped passes through most of the year?

BTW, there is no way Dallas will get worse next year. Parcells always has a great 2nd year and as untalented as the team was last year when they STILL went 10-6 and they are sure to be atleast a little improved next year. They had the worst running game in the league IMO.

Yesterday the Dolphins cut Griese, Perry, and Ruddy, however they mentioned to their agent Drew Rosenhaus that they might be resigned in the future. They also reached new deals with Zach Thomas, Tim Bowens, and Olindo Mare. They also re-signed Arturo Freeman and Dario Romero. Too bad that with the resigning of Arturo it pretty much symbolizes the release of either Brock Marion or Sammy Knight, both of which I feel are more skilled than Arturo. Then onto the QB situation, after all the talks of bringing in AJ Feeley from Philly, their is a possibility they might just keep Fielder due to the release of Griese. If Feeley is brought in all the Dolphins QBs combined would have a total of seven starts, pretty sad.

TO staying a 49er right now helps the Eagles and Ravens more than it does hurt them in their attempts to acquire him. Now for my Eagles, they don't have to sign TO to a huge contract with a even bigger *SIGNING BONUS* which would definitely hurt us in our cap space. But now all we have to do is work out a trade for #81. I know we have a lot of young WRs in our camp and a bunch of draft picks coming our way this April. (Eagles get 3 conpensatory picks because we lost 3 FAs last year, plus even more in 2005 because we'll lose Vincent, Taylor, and maybe Duce). Trading for TO is easier than signing TO.

This is a good thing.

MIAMI: FEB. 28
Over 150 NFL scouts and coaches were in attendance to watch some of the top prospects in all of college football. Head coaches in attendance include Cincinnati's Marvin Lewis, San Diego's Marty Schottenheimer, New Orleans' Jim Haslett, Atlanta's Jim Mora, Houston's Dom Capers, Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio, the Giants' Tom Coughlin, Arizona's Dennis Green and Washington's Joe Gibbs.

The players performed outdoors on grass. The turf was referred to as "tee box grass," which is similar to the kind of grass in the tee box on a golf course. It was a little windy as well.
Player Position Gil's comments

Vernon Carey OL Carey was 6-4 3/8, 335 pounds, did 30 reps in the strength lift and ran the 40-yard dash for an average of 5.33. His long jump was 7-foot-5, his vertical was 28 inches, he did a 5.0 in the short shuttle and a 8.10 in the three-cone drill.

Sean Taylor S Taylor stood in at 6-2½, weighed 228 pounds (two pounds less than at the combine), and ran three times for a 4.51 average. He added 11 strength reps, a 10-foot-1 long jump, a 35-inch vertical jump, and opted not to run any of the shuttle drills.

Jonathan Vilma LB Vilma was 6-0½, 233 pounds and had a 4.61 second average in the 40. He also put up the 225-pound bar 23 times. He had a 10-foot-1 long jump, a 37-inch vertical, and wowed scouts with his shuttle times of 4.20 in the short shuttle, 11.48 in the long shuttle and 6.67 in the three-cone drill.

Vince Wilfork DT Wilfork was 6-1 1/8, 323 pounds, lifted the bar 36 times and ran for a 5.08 average. He had an 8-foot-5 long jump, a 26½-inch vertical jump, a 4.50 short shuttle and a 7.62 in the three-cone drill.

D.J. Williams LB Williams was 6-0¾, weighed 250 pounds and had an average 40 time of 4.55 seconds. Williams added a 9-foot-9 in the long jump, a 38-inch vertical jump, a time of 4.05 seconds in the short shuttle, 11.40 in the long shuttle and 7.0 flat in the three-cone drill. Due to a pectoral muscle ailment, Williams did not bench.

Kellen Winslow TE Winslow (6-3 7/8, 247 pounds) was actually four pounds less here than at the combine. He lifted the bar 24 times and ran for an average of 4.55 seconds. He added a 10-foot-1 long jump, a 33½-inch vertical jump, a 4.10 in the short shuttle, a 11.35 in the long shuttle, and a 6.71 in the three-cone drill.

Notables RB Jarrett Payton (6-0 1/8, 220 pounds) ran for an average of 4.58 in the 40, added a 31-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-7 long jump. ... WR Kevin Beard (6-0 1/8, 180) ran for an average time of 4.46 seconds. ... OT Carlos Joseph (6-5 7/8, 345) did 29 strength lifts and ran for an average of 5.33 seconds. He added a 8-foot long jump, a 28-inch vertical, a 5.09 in the short shuttle and an 8.26 in the three-cone drill. ... Another Canes linebacker raised some eyebrows when Jarrell Weaver ran a 4.37 average. ... LB Darrell McClover (6-0 3/8, 226) ran for an average of 4.46 seconds. ... RB Jason Geathers (6-2, 203) ran for an average of 4.55 seconds.

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No source because I copied this off of another messageboard but :eek: at some of those stats

Wilfork put up 225 pounds 36 times :eek:

Damn now thats a beast...

i hope so

being an Eagle fan, the one place where we need more production is the Wide Recievers. I think that Pinkston would be a good # 2 reciever, but he played like shit this year. Mitchell is a lock at the slot, but the Birds need a #1 wide reciever, and ANY reciever would be an upgrade over James Trash.

We need DE, i think they should sign Grant Wistrom. Kearse has been way to injury prone. DT we just need to get Hollis Thomas to stay healthy for a change, i dont think they need to bring in a big name DT

At CB, i would LOVE to see the birds sign Winfield at corner. yes he is small, but have you seen this guy hit? put him w/ Dawkins and Lewis (the best safety combo in the NFL) and put Lito Sheppard or Sheldon Brown at other corner.

Trade Tra Thomas!

I heard now that the Colts have more cap room that they are gonna make a run at one of the big defensive FA's (Sapp, Kearse, Springs, Taylor, and Vincent).

colts signed manning today 7 years 99.2 mill :y:
49ers are gonna release garcia today

Way to go Manning even if I think players are paid too much.

I am waiting for Eli to go first in the draft even though I would like to see him land with a better team or a team that he can turn around.

Yeah, if he has any brains he's going to restructure every year... no way they can keep a good team around him with those numbers on the cap.

Did anyone hear that the Minnesota Vikings are shopping around RANDY MOSS! Now come, if any team was smart enough, they would trade for both TO and MOSS and go on to win the Super Bowl. How does a defense defend that?

It has been confirmed by coaches, owners, and GM's in the paper and tv news that all trade rumors regarding Moss are bullshit.

Eagles:
1) Trade for TO and/or Moss. Both is pushing it but one or the other is critical.
2) Re-Sign Duce Staley. Heart and Soul. (Plus how else would everyone know how many Eagles fans at are an away game *Miami MNF 12/15/03*)
3) Sign Antoine Winfield. No Vincent, No Taylor. We need a younger CB to complement Brown and Sheppard.
4) Resign Carlos Emmons or Marcus Washington (IND). Washington is way younger than Incumbent Emmons but Emmons was the DEF MVP for the Eagles last season.
5) Draft Jonathan Vilma from Miami (FL). Vilma will serve as the understudy for Mark Simoneau as Middle Linebacker and later in the season as a platoon partner at the MLB position, seeing that Simoneau wore down near the end of the season.
6) Draft a new young QB to replace A.J. Feeley

do you feel the eagles have about 500 million dollars more with cap space to even have moss,owens,mcnabb on the same team?

true story
 

the only thing good about Philladelphia is Rocky Balboa

Bengals need to resign Rudi and Shayne Graham

then hopefully they go after Kearse and either Vincent or Winfield

First off, saying Moss isn't consistent is living in the past. Owens is less mature than Moss, and he's like three years older than Moss. He constantly creates discord amongst his team-mates, such as saying Rattay should start over Garcia.

Second off, I am quite pissed at the newsguy who originally misquoted Mike Tice, saying that he called Randy Moss a nut. That pissed Moss off, and now someone spreads information that the Vikings are shopping Moss... and you know what that does? It pisses Moss off more, making him think they don't want him. SOMEONE is trying to push Moss' buttons, trying to get him out of Minnesota, and I'm guessing they're a Philly or New England fan. It ain't pretty, and it angers me. Tice is a forceful guy, hopefully he will make Moss see what's happening.

Third off, oh my God, I :heart: Wilfork. Had he declared last year, I would have loved him too. He's a stud.

The Eagles dont have $500 Million Dollars.... they have $28 Million and that is a SHIT LOAD MORE THAN 30 OTHER NFL TEAMS. Only the Ravens have more cap space (I think). If the Eagles had to sign Terrell Owens, that would be a problem. But TO f*cked up with is paperwork and screwed himself out of a lot of cash. Now we only have to trade a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick for TO. Who wouldn't do that.

If Moss is available (some reports say he isn't) and the money is right and we able to sign for other positions, who wouldn't take Moss and Owens together.

Its very unlikely that one team will take both. As a Philadelphian, I want at least one.

WR Owens or Moss
WR Pinkston
WR F. Mitchell
WR McMullen, Lewis, Morey etc

There is nothing good about Boston or New England. I should know, I go to school here. Boston is the worst city.

rumors got it TO's goin to Baltimore later today for a second round pick.

Eagles signed kearse for 6 years already today.

its an 8 year deal for 66 mil

yeah my bad the tv said six years then changed it to 8 years

Kearse got over paid...

Ted Washington went to Oakland, that will hurt the Pats.

Noooooo Ted Washington :(

Kearse did get over paid

Chargers released Wiley..he's nasty..wonder who is gonna pick him up?

JEVON KEARSE!

JEVON KEARSE!

SUCK ON THAT PLAYA-HATERS!

SUCK ON THAT!

JEVON KEARSE, overpaid or not.... The EAGLES JUST MADE A STATEMENT. WE ARE HERE TO WIN!.

Next: TO!

JEVON KEARSE!

I havent read this thread, but :eek: @ Manning's contract.

7 yr/98 million, 34.5 million signing bonus, and 19 million in roster bonuses.

Seriously.

What. The. Fuccck.

Eagles will still lose in the Championship game unless they pick up a WR

They lost 2 years with Hugh Douglas..why not with Krease? haha

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I was just checking out ESPN Insider, and in the latest Mock Draft Mel Kiper has Steven Jackson going to the Patriots :love: :love: :love:

lol because making the NFC Championship game doesnt mean you're here to win

theyve been there to win 3 years in a row they just havent

What.

Moss has noticeably gotten a lot better this past year. He's still cocky but he busted his ass and was less of a dick.

Also, Stima, lifted 225 pounds 36 times, you mean he benched it 36 times right?

LMFAO... you really have no clue. (no offense) But you gotta step back and not look at this as an eagles fan, but look at the move and the team and the results.

Kearse has been over-rated since being a rookie.

They spent way too much money on him, which means they wont have money to spend on other needs, such as WR, RB, Resigning there DB's.

Washington hurts the Pats, but no way a 35yr old coming off 2 seasons of brokens legs is worth that money.

I'm not saying Kearse is washed up or wont help Philly, but that cap number will hurt other needs, bigger needs.

The big rumors are Miami... Woody, Moss & Garcia... I don't think Garcia happens because of the deal for Feely, and I'm not sure if they have the cap room for Woody and Moss... But Moss and Chambers would take a lot of pressure off Williams.

I thought they were doing Military presses as the combine... I could be wrong.

Skins got Springs

First of all, if the 49ers don't resign Jeff Garcia, TO ****ed up and is still under contract there. So the Eagles would have to throw out a pretty damn good trade to get him away.

Second of all, there are no rumors whatsoever of Moss and TO being anywhere alike. The ONLY legitimate rumor about Moss at all, although it is pretty illegitimate if you ask me, is Moss to the Dolphins for a bunch of defensive guys. Tice says its obsurd, all of the local media agree, and so do I. There is no reason why the Vikings, who have plenty of room under the cap, would trade their best player, team leader, and fan favorite for a cornerback and a pash rusher. Say what you will, but Moss will be a Viking for life.

Nah pretty sure it was Bench

Solid replacement for Champ

:lol: You and Sensei of Mattitude are so damn fun to laugh at...

I'm glad I can add some meaning to your life

Over priced tho

Listen. Someone is spreading rumors trying to make Moss unhappy in Minnesota and it won't work. Tice may not be the best coach, but he's the most brutally honest guy in the league. If Moss listens to all the media shitheads, then he really is the most immature guy in the league.

But basically, the Vikings want Moss, and Moss wants to stay here, I think, since he loves Tice and Pep. The problem lies in the media's rumors.

We don't have a need at RB. We have BRIAN WESTBROOK the 2nd Coming of Marshall Faulk and a nice complement in Buckhalter.

Plus ESPN.com's Insider has a link with the tag line of something along the lines of "Eagles could be close to trading for TO"

I really could care less what you guys think. All we need is a Vet CB, either Carlos Emmons or Marcus Washington for SLB, and TO.

PLUS!!!!!!!! Haven't any of you realized by now that the EAGLES are SMART about handling their cap. They wouldn't blow their entire load on one guy thats not their style. Idiots, you think you guys know everything.

Kearse is overrated? We'll see, won't we.

Needs:

WR: Trading for TO

RB: Signing a Dorsey Levens/Kevin Faulk/Stacey Mack type player (how much will that cost?) or drafting a new 3rd RB. Or hell, using Reno Mahe as our 3rd RB.

Signing our DBs: We're not signing our DBs. Vincent is too old, Taylor isn't the same plus he burned his bridges. I heard we were going to go for Shawn Springs but that won't happen (signed with WAS), maybe Antoine Winfield? Ahmed Plummer? A veteran.

A GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. UNLIKE 30 OTHER NFL TEAMS.

LMAO! I've exxagerated players before but MY GOD!

BTW, Thomas Jones went to Chiacago. He played the last few games for Tampa last year and looked damn good. I was excited when I heard Dallas wanted him and of course just like with Brunell and a few other guys, I end up disappointed.

You really don't understand just HOW GOOD Brian Westbrook is.

First, Brain Westbrook is nothing more then a fillin or 3rd down back. He's not an everygame 20-30carrier back.

So, there's still a RB need.

Your not signing your DB, so you need 2 DB's.

TO, Trade... first, now thats Garcia is gone he will probably stay, he said all along if Garcia was gone he would be interested in staying, if he is delt it wont be cheap and it's going to eat your cap.

"You have the money" Really? So, when did the Eagles get the magicaly Salary Cap that allows them to sign whoever they want for any price?

I'm not saying there a bad team, there a good team, but that have holes, and signing Kearse wasn't the move they needed and he hasn't done anything since his rookie year. Maybe he will be the comeback player of the year, but thats a big gamble to take on that much money.

That's pretty solid.

I could only do 225 like 11 times on a good day. :(

The Eagles are desperate now. I'm sure they will oversign for whomever they think will help them, and then will self-destruct when they do worse next year than this year (y'see, because of Parity).

TO just got delt to Baltimore.

So much for your eagles plan.

I want to love Baltimore, and I have more reason to now, but like...

I mean come on. They screwed the Vikings. :grumpy: