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Blitz 04-20-2007 05:38 PM

Looks like Orton fucked up again
 
From Observer:

Quote:

--Randy Orton was sent home from the WWE European tour. The only thing we've heard is he messed up a hotel room.
So uh, speculate, I guess.

Destor 04-20-2007 05:39 PM

So who wants to guess how much I wished they would fire Orton?

Avenger 04-20-2007 05:40 PM

God, Orton is the worst thing about the WWE right now.

He has little real outstanding talent, no ability to pop the crowd and no charisma.

And the worst entrance in wrestling history.

He angers me.

Disturbed316 04-20-2007 05:42 PM

POOPED IN A PLANT POT

Xero 04-20-2007 05:42 PM

I bet he pulled an Andre.

The One 04-20-2007 05:44 PM

I'm sorry, but I love Randy "I'm A Rockstar" Orton. He entertains me more knowing how fucked up he is outside the ring. :D

darkpower 04-20-2007 05:44 PM

Aside from the fact that this is the Observer that did that (God, are we now seeing that we're talking about the bias of Meltzer an awful lot here anymore?), no mention of what the definition of "mess up a hotel room" means, and if it was something intentional, likle did he try to trash the room, or was there some extreme rules that said hotel set up or something.

Not saying that Orton is not a dick or anything, but this explanation is WAY too vague to put a judgment on this one just yet.

Destor 04-20-2007 05:44 PM

You just want his penis.

Blitz 04-20-2007 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkpower
Aside from the fact that this is the Observer that did that (God, are we now seeing that we're talking about the bias of Meltzer an awful lot here anymore?), no mention of what the definition of "mess up a hotel room" means, and if it was something intentional, likle did he try to trash the room, or was there some extreme rules that said hotel set up or something.

Whatever he did, it was bad enough to get a main eventer sent home from a major tour. I doubt he'd be sent home if it was just an accident or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkpower
Not saying that Orton is not a dick or anything, but this explanation is WAY too vague to put a judgment on this one just yet.

Word. Which is why I said speculate.

Kane Knight 04-20-2007 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The One
I'm sorry, but I love Randy "I'm A Rockstar" Orton. He entertains me more knowing how fucked up he is outside the ring. :D

I wonder if he did a Keith Moon, or an Aerosmith.

Shaggy 04-20-2007 05:56 PM

Interested to see if now he will Job to Edge as backlash...

IC Champion 04-20-2007 06:01 PM

lol, prolly a drug enduced rage or something of that nature.

Loose Cannon 04-20-2007 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The One
I'm sorry, but I love Randy "I'm A Rockstar" Orton. He entertains me more knowing how fucked up he is outside the ring. :D

:yes:

Stickman 04-20-2007 06:27 PM

The thing about Orton though, he has "it" so he won't get fired

6to1 04-20-2007 06:28 PM

let him go over to be eric youngs friend that will fix him.

Jordan 04-20-2007 06:33 PM

I read that he missed a show due to illness, maybe this report is wrong, maybe the one I read was wrong. However, why should we care? Wrestlers are bad ass mother fuckers, as long as it makes him more of a bad ass then fuck yeah!

Mr. Nerfect 04-20-2007 06:53 PM

Yeah, I read an illness report, too; then I read this. Randy Orton isn't good enough to get the toddler treatment he gets from the WWE. Why the fuck the guy hasn't at least been knocked down to Intercontinental Title level is beyond me.

They should job him to Santino Marella. :y:

Kane Knight 04-20-2007 09:10 PM

You know, it's worth him being in the ME scene just to see the smarks bitch about him.

Corkscrewed 04-20-2007 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disturbed316
POOPED ALL OVER THE ROOM


McLegend 04-21-2007 12:59 AM

God bless Randy Orton.

M-A-G 04-21-2007 01:03 AM

It's interesting considering he also allegedly contracted a stomach virus. Connection???

D Mac 04-21-2007 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alienoid06
Yeah, I read an illness report, too; then I read this. Randy Orton isn't good enough to get the toddler treatment he gets from the WWE. Why the fuck the guy hasn't at least been knocked down to Intercontinental Title level is beyond me.

They should job him to Santino Marella. :y:


Sorry Alienoid but I have to disagree with you for once.

Rammsteinmad 04-21-2007 05:06 AM

Maybe he left cum stains on the bed sheet or summit.

Rammsteinmad 04-21-2007 05:06 AM

We take that personally here in Europe y'know.

Afterlife 04-21-2007 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stickman
The thing about Orton though, he has "it" so he won't get fired

Unless by "it" you mean "a dad in the Hall of Fame", your suggestion is void of validity.

Kane Knight 04-21-2007 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-A-G
It's interesting considering he also allegedly contracted a stomach virus. Connection???

Easy way to solve this:

Wait until it's reported on WWE.com. Whichever they say is false, ergo the other is the truth.

Either that, or the stomach virus cause him to go CRRRRRAZAY!

PepperCarrotMan 04-21-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight
Easy way to solve this:

Wait until it's reported on WWE.com. Whichever they say is false, ergo the other is the truth.

Either that, or the stomach virus cause him to go CRRRRRAZAY!

He's Super, He's crazy, He's...oh wait no.

:?:

Anybody Thrilla 04-21-2007 11:31 AM

I bet this is all a work to make the IWC think that Randy Orton is a bonafide assbag, but he's really just as sweet as the dickens.

owenbrown 04-21-2007 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-A-G
It's interesting considering he also allegedly contracted a stomach virus. Connection???

The stomach virus caused him to shit on a hotel bed? :?:

PorkSoda 04-21-2007 12:12 PM

Maybe this time Orton was playing the hotel clerk behind the desk and he gave the customers a key to the room in a black box. But instead of a key in the box, it was SHIT!

PepperCarrotMan 04-21-2007 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorkSoda
Maybe this time Orton was playing the hotel clerk behind the desk and he gave the customers a key to the room in a black box. But instead of a key in the box, it was SHIT!

Maybe Randy Orton invited The Ultimate Warrior to the hotel and was immediately sent home for this.

Quote:

From what I understand, Randy Orton's trashed hotel room caused about $30,000 in damages. He was found in the aformentioned hotel room passed out.

Source : Gerweck
The hotel room knocked him out.

311 04-21-2007 04:43 PM

Orton is IC title talent at best. He has ZERO ability to get over...and I point to the rather pathetic 'BAH GAWD RANDY ORTON IS THE MASKED MAN' angle they did to get him into Evolution. What a load of horseshit.

Meh. No surprise his huge push has fallen into oblivion, as it was only really there in the first place to get Brock Lesnar out of the record books. They found the guy with the most potential in the ring/to stay with the company, and gave it to him.

Meh, Randy Orton. You've got a look, and that's about it. :y:

The Optimist 04-21-2007 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avenger
God, Orton is the worst thing about the WWE right now.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Orton isn't even close to the worst thing.

Kane Knight 04-21-2007 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Optimist
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Orton isn't even close to the worst thing.

I agree. I can't even imagine hating Orton so much as to be blind to worse things.

Gerard 04-21-2007 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight
I agree. I can't even imagine hating Orton so much as to be blind to worse things.


True, the lighting guy really needs a good talking to :mad:

Kane Knight 04-21-2007 10:37 PM

Not to mention makeup. Michael's hair in a can just isn't cutting it.

Mr. JL 04-22-2007 01:22 PM

Orton’s Hotel Disaster Update

Written by: Steve Carrier - April 22nd, 2007

It was reported several days ago that Orton recently got sent home on their tour over seas. For what is understood, Randy Orton was found passed out in a trashed hotel room that totaled to around 30 grand in damages.

------------- credit wrestling-edge.com
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Take that for what you think it is worth; I would not think there is 30 grand worth of shit to break in some hotel room. I've been to out of control parties and well... how out of control must this have been?

Just John 04-22-2007 01:36 PM

I've just read what you put underneath, and yeah 30 Grand? Mabye if they were all in amazing hotels, but even so, you'd have to do more than crap in the closet to get that much.

Afterlife 04-22-2007 02:30 PM

Europe has a lot of old shit. Old shit is expensive. Especially if you take into account the 'sentimental value' of craftsmanship in the building's construction, let alone the furnishings. POint being, depending on where it was, I could easily see 25-28,000 bucks in damages involved with such a caper, even moreso if this was a drug-induced tantrum.

Jeritron 04-22-2007 02:34 PM

Somebody please fire this asshole

Kane Knight 04-22-2007 05:27 PM

Screw that. They need people who know how to act like real stars. And real stars wreck the **** out of things.

Jeritron 04-22-2007 06:53 PM

Once again I hate Orton, I only want him fired because he sucks and this is at least an excuse. If it were Shawn Michaels, I'd love him for it.

Kane Knight 04-22-2007 07:06 PM

At least you're honest, I guess.

Jeritron 04-22-2007 07:39 PM

I'm being honest. I hate him and I'd like him to be fired. It's not like I'm morally opposed to trashing a hotel room. I don't find his actions reprehensible or disgusting. I couldn't care less, it's actually pretty funny and I've done stupid shit before.

I just dislike Orton and find him boring and bland now, and constantly being a fuck up. And worse of all, being a fuck up that isn't overly important. I know it's a double standard, but I don't relly care. I don't buy "he's the future of the business" either. I once thought he was, and he was amazing...in 2003/2004. Since then he's been useless. How long can somebody be the future before the future arrives and they are realized for what they are, a missed boat and a falling star?

PepperCarrotMan 04-22-2007 07:46 PM

Randy Orton should become Captain Orton, a ship captain out at sea.

WWE can even report that he went MISSING on their overseas tour and then next week they show a promo that he has been spotted on his ship.

Eventually, he brings the boat (on wheels) over to Raw and attacks other superstars from his boat.

Kane Knight 04-22-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron
I'm being honest. I hate him and I'd like him to be fired. It's not like I'm morally opposed to trashing a hotel room. I don't find his actions reprehensible or disgusting. I couldn't care less, it's actually pretty funny and I've done stupid shit before.

I just dislike Orton and find him boring and bland now, and constantly being a fuck up. And worse of all, being a fuck up that isn't overly important. I know it's a double standard, but I don't relly care. I don't buy "he's the future of the business" either. I once thought he was, and he was amazing...in 2003/2004. Since then he's been useless. How long can somebody be the future before the future arrives and they are realized for what they are, a missed boat and a falling star?

I think he can still be successful.

However, as long as WWE has a hardon for him, he will never become a legit superstar.

As for how long? Well, Cena's been held past his prime as a face, and they still gush over him. Batista, I think, is not too far from being a falling star either. He seems to be losing his reactions (Though I'm waiting on this one, because he's been up against Taker, so I expected him to lose SOME).

We'll see.

Jeritron 04-22-2007 09:23 PM

I agree. Orton had unlimited potential in 2004, just like Cena. However they've taken what were franchise assets and, pushed Orton to fast and pushed Cena too hard. Hopefully they learn from this, and look at history and how they pushed stars like Rock, Austin and Shawn and realize that slow and steady wins the race.
Hopefully some of the current up and comers won't fall into the "huge potential with a poorly executed push" category

Avenger 04-22-2007 09:30 PM

No matter how slow and steady you push Orton and Cena, however, they will never be anywhere near good enough to lace Austin, Rock or HBK's boots.

Kane Knight 04-22-2007 09:30 PM

Well, we can definitely hope. I'm just worried. Even the people who get mad pops seem to be ignored over the "projects."

Jeritron 04-22-2007 09:43 PM

It's just hard for someone like Orton to suddenly become new, interesting and have the momentum of a franchise star. He's already been world champion. They peaked him too soon and since he fell off sharply, he's now just another guy in the pile of main eventers.
When things aren't done right, that sticks with the star for good. Imagine if Austin had won the belt in early 97 for a month.

At least Cena was pushed correctly. He's just been overpushed, but his initial momentum and the timing and execution of his break into the main event were spot on.

Orton shouldn't have won that title shot at Summerslam. Once he did that, he was immediately at the top of the mountain, and it was too soon. To make matters worse, he was immediately buried, and worst of all he was changed to a face.
You shouldn't change what made him a fast rising star, even if he's getting cheered. When Austin and Rock were uppermidcard heels they began to get huge cheers just because they were entertaining. This led to their eventual and steady pushes to the top, but even though they were now booked as faces and played that role, they never actually changed.
Austin kept breaking rules, raising hell and being mean. Rock kept making fun of people, being a primadonna and acting like a dick. This is because that's what people loved about them, they cheered them for that and all you had to do was plug them into the babyface slot with their original 'heel" antics.

With Orton and Cena, you have guys that got over with the people and began to get huge reactions because of their behavior and antics as "heels". Then suddenly they're victims of their storyline, their classic good guys and become watered down kissing babies shaking hands and straying from what initially made people like them.

Volare 04-23-2007 01:03 AM

Hey, you gotta look at the positive...because of him, we lost a few divas that would just kill time instead of showing a few more matches.

Theo Dious 04-23-2007 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife
Europe has a lot of old shit. Old shit is expensive.

It's their own fault for keeping Picassos in hotel rooms.

Theo Dious 04-23-2007 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volare
Hey, you gotta look at the positive...because of him, we lost a few divas that would just kill time instead of showing a few more matches.

He should be an IWC hero for that alone.

DAMN iNATOR 04-23-2007 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RAJAH.com
The latest on the Randy Orton situation seems to be that it is very serious. There are now whispers that Orton may not work the PPV next Sunday. There are many rumors circulating right now, but none have been confirmed. There should be some more information on the situation as WWE returns to the states.


D Mac 04-24-2007 02:35 AM

:n:

Afterlife 04-24-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron
It's just hard for someone like Orton to suddenly become new, interesting and have the momentum of a franchise star. He's already been world champion. They peaked him too soon and since he fell off sharply, he's now just another guy in the pile of main eventers.
When things aren't done right, that sticks with the star for good. Imagine if Austin had won the belt in early 97 for a month.

At least Cena was pushed correctly. He's just been overpushed, but his initial momentum and the timing and execution of his break into the main event were spot on.

Orton shouldn't have won that title shot at Summerslam. Once he did that, he was immediately at the top of the mountain, and it was too soon. To make matters worse, he was immediately buried, and worst of all he was changed to a face.
You shouldn't change what made him a fast rising star, even if he's getting cheered. When Austin and Rock were uppermidcard heels they began to get huge cheers just because they were entertaining. This led to their eventual and steady pushes to the top, but even though they were now booked as faces and played that role, they never actually changed.
Austin kept breaking rules, raising hell and being mean. Rock kept making fun of people, being a primadonna and acting like a dick. This is because that's what people loved about them, they cheered them for that and all you had to do was plug them into the babyface slot with their original 'heel" antics.

With Orton and Cena, you have guys that got over with the people and began to get huge reactions because of their behavior and antics as "heels". Then suddenly they're victims of their storyline, their classic good guys and become watered down kissing babies shaking hands and straying from what initially made people like them.


You know that, and I know that, but the bitch of the sitch is we ain't in charge.

You gotta remember, the writers that knew how to work guys like Austin, Rock, Angle and HHH -- they're gone now. We have Hollywood writers, and that's not the worst of it. As demonstrated with the sudden disappearance of "Double Double" Kozlov, Vince doesn't pay attention to the pushes. I don't know if he ever did, to be frank, but it's clear he's not watching very closely now.

I, myself, am a screenwriter. But the general Hollywood desire is to rehash the same story with new names and semi-fresh oneliners to disquise the fact that Adam Sanadler has made the same movie about 9 times. HoWo writers do what producers say, and the producers think they know what the audience wants before they churn it out. Hence, you cheer Cena's badassery, you get a classic hero to cheer. They don't understand that you like the Joker as much as the Dark Knight.

With vince's apparent blind eye cast upon the development process and a crew of writers who think everyone wants their hero to be the good guy, it's easy to see where the ruination of a coulda-been-great is conceived. What it boilis down to is that the WWE home team needs to huddle up and get their shit straight: let's worry about Orton's career, not spiting Lesnar's; let's see what Christian can bring to the scene, instead of shunning him for having charisma they can't channel; let's put out a good product, instead of putting out a product and calling it "right".

Don't get me wrong -- fuck Randy. He's a douche. But credit where it's due: this is everybody's mess.

Theo Dious 04-24-2007 11:00 AM

I'd really like some actual fucking news on this instead of "Randy did something naughty to his room" and then "Oh this is serious but we still don't know exactly what he did or why it's serious."

Give us some real news or shut the hell up.

Mr. JL 04-24-2007 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron
I'm being honest. I hate him and I'd like him to be fired. It's not like I'm morally opposed to trashing a hotel room. I don't find his actions reprehensible or disgusting. I couldn't care less, it's actually pretty funny and I've done stupid shit before.

I just dislike Orton and find him boring and bland now, and constantly being a fuck up. And worse of all, being a fuck up that isn't overly important. I know it's a double standard, but I don't relly care. I don't buy "he's the future of the business" either. I once thought he was, and he was amazing...in 2003/2004. Since then he's been useless. How long can somebody be the future before the future arrives and they are realized for what they are, a missed boat and a falling star?


I think they need to let Randy Orton be the guy he is off camera. The guy who smokes joints, shits in bags and trashes the fuck out of hotel rooms. He wouldn't be so bland I'm thinking.

Afterlife 04-24-2007 11:11 AM

Neither was Richard Nixon.

Xero 04-24-2007 12:13 PM

From WWE.com: WWE has taken action against Randy Orton for unprofessional conduct.

Vince: RANDY! Don't do it again! To shut up the internet geeks we're giving you 2 month paid vacation after Backlash.

Theo Dious 04-24-2007 12:24 PM

Unprofessional conduct... so he was amateur wrestling in his hotel room? :?:

Kane Knight 04-24-2007 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife
You know that, and I know that, but the bitch of the sitch is we ain't in charge.

You gotta remember, the writers that knew how to work guys like Austin, Rock, Angle and HHH -- they're gone now. We have Hollywood writers, and that's not the worst of it. As demonstrated with the sudden disappearance of "Double Double" Kozlov, Vince doesn't pay attention to the pushes. I don't know if he ever did, to be frank, but it's clear he's not watching very closely now.

I, myself, am a screenwriter. But the general Hollywood desire is to rehash the same story with new names and semi-fresh oneliners to disquise the fact that Adam Sanadler has made the same movie about 9 times. HoWo writers do what producers say, and the producers think they know what the audience wants before they churn it out. Hence, you cheer Cena's badassery, you get a classic hero to cheer. They don't understand that you like the Joker as much as the Dark Knight.

With vince's apparent blind eye cast upon the development process and a crew of writers who think everyone wants their hero to be the good guy, it's easy to see where the ruination of a coulda-been-great is conceived. What it boilis down to is that the WWE home team needs to huddle up and get their shit straight: let's worry about Orton's career, not spiting Lesnar's; let's see what Christian can bring to the scene, instead of shunning him for having charisma they can't channel; let's put out a good product, instead of putting out a product and calling it "right".

Don't get me wrong -- fuck Randy. He's a douche. But credit where it's due: this is everybody's mess.

It's just ODD.

I mean, Cena would have been the perfect "New Austin." They could have recycled it into Cena 3:16, the wigger thug who kicks ass, takes names, and don't take no sh*t from nobody.

Now, Orton wasn't quite as clear, but this formula seems so obvious. Cash in on the same idea. I mean, we know they are doing the whole "let's re-use ideas from our 'Blockbuster' periods" thing, but in an era of fans who were clammoring for the next Austin, they took someone who was a perfect match and made him the next Hogan, instead.

Now Orton, it doesn't matter. He's on a perpetual yoyo, because nobody likes him, but he's the "future" of the business. Hell get punished, and then Vince will decide "we can rebuild him...Better...Faster...Stronger!"

WWE's on a downward trend in terms of stocks. They have peaks, but they're getting slightly smaller. Now, people say ratings aren't everything, and claim illusory buyrates, but if the investors get worried, Vince might actually listen.

Afterlife 04-24-2007 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthTedious
Unprofessional conduct... so he was amateur wrestling in his hotel room? :?:

HI-yoooooo!

St. Jimmy 04-24-2007 02:14 PM

10 to 1, Orton had a 5* match with that Hotel room. He deserves a promotion if you ask me. Taker/Orton: WHC. Bank on it.

D Mac 04-25-2007 12:31 PM

He probably had a couple of chicks in his room who like it rough. And he had to oblige them.

Theo Dious 04-25-2007 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac
He probably had a couple of chicks in his room who like it rough. And he had to oblige them.

He is only a gentleman, after all.

Afterlife 04-26-2007 08:39 AM

Gentlemen Orton offers tea: Hello, madam; would you like one dump or two?


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