Who is this Kenta?
 

Who is this Kenta and why do we care if CM Puke is ripping him off?

I think he's like some sort of 4 foot Japanese cruiserwieght that a lot of smarks like to fellate.

Yea he's just a little guy, hes done some work in ROH.

<font color=white>So ya never seen him wrestle then?

He's pretty frickin' good.</font>

If he's the guy I'm thinking of, I saw a few clips of him. He's good at what he does, not too special overall really.

I've heard he works a stiff style.

According the IWC and smarks, every indy cruiserwieght is good.

So he's an Asian cruiser that has an arsenal of impressive moves who works stiff. Just like about 1,000 other Asian cruisers.

According to the IWC, if you've never worked for WWE or TNA you're a God.

Yeah, notice that you never find someone with a bad word to say about Sting.

Sting sucks. Never liked him.

No offense buddy but you'd slam Ghandi if the situation called for it.

Ghandi was a hypocrit. He refused to use violence so all the Indians got their asses kicked for salt.

Yeah, I'm a devil's advocate. Someone needs to be, you can't just go around blindly agreeing with what society has said is so.

He's probably some indy guy who will never make it big that only a handful of cult followers know.

<font color=white>Check out his tag stuff with Marufuji and his GHC title match (also against Marufuji) from last year.</font>

<font color=white>I'd call being one of the top names in Japan 'making it big' dude. On a wrestling front anyway.</font>

Okay now you're just making up names.

lol

What is this "Japan" you speak of?

It's kind of like TNA except that they have a government.

Oh and back at the end of WW2 Hunter Hearst Harry (Truman) nuked them to hold down their talent.

It was after viewing Kenta vs. Samoa Joe that I realized that I hate Japan, I hate RoH, and I hate every single smart mark who thinks they're insider and bad ass for liking people who aren't big or popular.

This is KENTA

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It was after reading this post that I realized that I love you and wish you were a little white woman.

Hi, I'm a guy who spent most of his career in Japan and/or Mexico. I'm made out to be a big deal by indie companies who don't want to dish out actual money for actual name stars. People gizz their pants for me because I can do a stiff style of working. I'm never going to amount to anything, because as soon as you put me on a national stage I will be exposed as someone with next to no actual skill.

Who am I talking about...Kenta...Low Ki...Bryan Danielson...Samoa Joe...etc. etc.

I can't think of any Japanese wrestlers who have become stars in America, are there any?

Taijiri

Yokozuna

Mr Fuji

Funaki

LOL, ok so random memory here, but for you old fellas around here, anyone remember when before Tajiri came to WWE everyone swore he was going to change the face of wrestling. LOL. What is it about guys from Japan that makes smart marks want to jump on their dicks? Is it because Jericho and Benoit came from Japan so everyone is looking or the next guy to gush for and say they've been a fan of his since way back when or what's the fucking deal?

I didn't need to see any thing to know that about Indy wrestling. I just apply my knowledge that any indy genre is pretty much the same. There are a few true gems, but everything else sucks and can't make it mainstream so they pass themselves off as indy and better than the mainstream. And indy fans tend to think they are elitiest because they like things that no one else has heard of and on extereme occasions, they did like a gem and they can go around and say, "I like X before they were popular."

First of all, I'm pretty sure Yokozuna was Samoan.
About the other's, OK I'm an idiot.

Yeah that's all good and whatever, but I liked the New Kids On The Block back when they were the Old Kids On Their Original Block. :D

This thread reminds me that I miss Akio and Sakoda.

I dont like Wang Yang's gimmick.

Oh, and about the part of Punk stealing this douchbag's move. Are you kididng, this is wrestling, everything is stolen from somebody.

That was a joke, right? :|

The second Kenta (if he) shows up in WWE...

Random IWC Smark: OMFG KENTA SUCKS! FUCKING SELLOUT! OMFG I'M GONNA GO FIND A MATCH THAT MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN AND BECOME A MARK FOR WHOEVER IS IN IT BECAUSE IT IS UNKNOWN AND THAT WILL MAKE ME HARDCOREZZZZ!

Just curious, why do people put this guy's name in all caps? I've noticed it with Kenta and Taka Michinoku, and I just don't get it.

KENTA is the best worker n the world today, bar none.

NASH > KENTA

Except for the people who invent things.

Nash dont even work any more "brah."

I hope the G2S becomes as common as the Powerbomb.

First, technically he does. Secondly, I was referring more to the caps "brah".

No it's more like we get to sit through 18 different ideas of how WWE should use them, and then the inevitable 30,000 threads on how WWE has no clue how to push talent, and they rushed this, fucked up this, and ruined the career of [Insert IWC Flavor of the Month here].

I could care less about technicalities. Whens the last time Nash worker? WWE? Has he ever worked in TNA?

And even then Nash has always been a terrible worker.

He's worked in TNA, lol.

Don't know about now, but I consider anyone on-screen 'working'.

KENTA would never get over in Mainstream America, the notion is doomed for failure.

Geez, I really wish I could tell if some of you guys were serious in what you were saying or just trying to be controversial. :|

MICHAELS > NASH doing skits > JBL's commentary > FLAIR's random matches > HUNTER's recovery > HALL's drinking > KIP JAMES feuding with Christy Hemie > WALTMAN's...uh...whatever > Kenta

Then you should familiarize your self with what working means in wrestling. I.E. to work a match.

Is he going to work? Yeah, but clearly nort what I mean.

Well of course, somebody has to invent the move but if people didn't steal moves, wrestling would be pretty boring. I mean, the WWE is already boring, somebody invented chops, arm drags, and hip tosses, so if those weren't being coppied the matches would involve standing there not moving.

Well, it's absolutely true that EVERY worker EVER is either over hyped or under hyped by the IWC.

No, none of them can out work KENTA. And that's all I'm talking about, how hard/well KENTA works. Are there things more entertaining, yes. Can any wrestler in the world today out work KENTA? Not in my opinion.

I'm shocked to hear such horrible lies coming from the mouth of a Kliq Member. :'( Say it ain't so!

Me being dead serious seems to be controversial enough, I don't need to try to be it. :p

You're stupid. It's one thing to take a move from someone who isn't in the buinessis anymore or real wrestling holds (which covers evewrything you listed) it's another to steal a mans bit. That would be like Ric Flair in '88 coming out in red and yellow trying to get Flair-a-mania over. Unless it was a jioke it's shitty. Just because you all don't know the guy getting fucked you dont care, and thats the problem.

MICHAELS. End of discussion.

Dude he makes up for it by enteraining, having charisma, on the stick, etc. Not by his in ring work.

I disagree.

Isn't Flair just the modern day version of Gorgeous George?

There's a big difference though. Triple H doing an Harley Race high knee. That doesn't take away away from Harley, because it's a tribute.

Doing an independent wrestler's 'unique' move is a different story. Let me use Destor for an example, he takes a leglock and he modifies it in a way that it's considered a unique move and his trademark. If Wrestler X from WWE sees it, starts performing it and it starts to get over with the WWE audience, the move is no longer going to be associated with Destor, who created it, it's going to be associated who made it popular to the casual fan. Then the next week when Destor goes and performs this move on the circuit, if a WWE fan happens to see it, he's going to say 'Pfft, they ripped that off Wrestler X' and he's going to be seen as a rip-off.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

OK Desty, I gotta call you on this one. You're telling me that people shouldn't use a finishing move of someone from another promotion? I mean to rip off an entire gimmick like Hulkamania, yeah that's a bit much, but to take someone else's move...that happens every day. Big name stars on the national scene taking indy guy's finishing moves happen even more commonly. It's not a terrible thing, it's a part of business. When Booker T started calling himself "The Book" in WCW and using the BookEnd (Rock Bottom) did people call bullshit? Yeah, they pointed out he obviously stole it, and then moved on and no one cared anymore. CM Punk is taking this move (not even a great move at that) and using it for his own. It's not like him using it is somehow damaging Kenta using it, because people who watch Kenta knew he did it frist, and people not watching him don't give a fuck who invented the move so long as the guy they know (Punk) continues to use it.

Read my statement, someon who isn't in the buisness any more, at that point the guy isn't trying to make a dime off of it anymore and it becomes fair game. Until that happens it shitty. How would you like if you were a indy guy, and all of a sudden a WWE steals your ewntire move set? WOuldn't that suck? Everyone who sees you says "hey, get your own shit, THAT SNITSKYS!" WOuldn't that suck? Having to start over? But hey, it's just some indy guy.

Agreed. He is someone who you get your money's worth before the bell sounds, but even then, as far as a big man goes, he is probably one of the best in the ring. Not in terms of moves, but he has great psych and knows how to pace things.

I actually had you in mind when I said that, especially after your 'Hi, I'm an independent wrestler from...' comment. That reeked of bitterness.

Rape hapens every day. We should just let it slide, cause it's so common. And hey, if we do I bet people stop saying anything about after awhile, and just accept it as the norm.

Does it really MATTER who invented it? Shouldn't it matter that the move was used in a way to elevate someone?

Of course not, because all that matters is that some overhyped jerkoff in the indies or Japan who invented it and has no chance in the WWE isn't going to be credited for the move.

Let's assume he's never going to make it to a big platform in the US. What difference will it make if Punk or Bobby Lashley uses it?

Def.

Yeah, I'm not faulting him for it. I was just asking why do we care? It isn't like people are up in arms about Jeff Jarrett completely ripping of Ric Flair or Beniot copying Dynimite's style.

Well he is trying to move over to the US more so that an unfair thing to assume. I wouldn't want some pimple face kid givign me flack about how I'm theif when I MADE IT MYSELF.

It's shitty, an independant contractor can only get work if he is unique, and Punk very could detract from his individuality.

Both were legends by that point, how you all cant make that destinction is annoying.

Bitterness? No. Just bored and tired of hearing people cream over these worthless pieces of shit who can get a small little group of RoH marks to chant "This is Awesome!" or whatever their chants are.

Stealing a Wrestling Move = Rape

Way to take this to insane extremes to service your side of the argument.

No prob.

You do see how that is a cop out though? "it's ok bacuase it's common." A lot of things aren't ok that are common.

<font color=white>'Cause his full name is Kenta Kobayashi. Which is strikingly similar to Kenta Kobashi only:

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KENTA

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Kenta

Ya dig?</font>

The Figure Four, The Ace Crusher, The Chokeslam, The Sharpshooter, I could go on...but those were/are all used (either the EXACT same or slight modifications) by countless people. Does it make it less impactful? Are we so stuck in a semi-state of kayfabe that we are required to believe that only one person who invented the move knows how to execute it? He's using a freakin' fireman's carry to a knee to the face. It's not the end of the world. Guess what, he also use to use the Pedigree off the top rope. Did Triple H shrivle up and die? No. Did people on the indy circut even give a shit that he used HHH's move? No. This is not theft, this is using a move in a scripted fight.

God, I wonder if sometimes really big name stars on the dance or ice skating or whatever performance thing you'd like to compare it to get pissy if they see someone else do their dance move. FUCK MICHAEL JACKSON FOR STEALING THE MOON WALK! FUCK HIM!

I'm sure people loved it when Punk used the Pedigree.

If he's so good why does he mostly wreslte infront 400 people.

Common doesn't mean it's right, but on something as trivial as this, it means you should untwist the panties and get over it. Other examples; Smoking pot is so common if you feel offended or inclinded to make legal action of it, you deserve a swift kick to the balls. Speeding down the highway...legal...no...but who gives a shit. And these are actual LAWS that are being broken, not just using someone's move.

And does anyone realize how dumb that sounds? "Using Someone's Move." As though they were the first person to move in that physical way so no one else can touch it. God I hope the guy who invented walking is screaming at all of us from beyond the grave right now.

If wrestlers didnt use another wreslters move we'd be left 5 moves.

WWE won't let Punk do the Pepsi Plunge because it's to dangerous.

Let's not forget that not only has he stolen this move from KENTA, but others as well.

Now you, as a former worker yourself, how can you cast this off so easily? If this were you, and Punk started going threw your move-set wouldn't you be offended?

How many guys have a made a name for themselves off the back off a move? Off the back of a new and unique move that no one has seen before? COuntless workers? Is it fair to deprive KENTA of this option, this possible gimmick? Is that right?

WOuld you sit quite if it were done to a worker you know?'

And as far as that bullshit with the pedigree goes, how can you not see the problem? EVERYONE has seen the pedigree done by H. He's established that as HIS move. KENTA hasn't had that opportunity, and until he had it isn't right for a guy to come along and take as his own.

At least they're calling it the G2S though. SO I can pretend this is a homage like the Plunge was.

What?

I can even understand one wrestler not using another wrestler's finishing move if they work or the same company, but if it's a rival company, or even if it's a company that isn't even in the same league, they should limit their move set to make other people "looking good"...despite my belief that no one actually looks bad if moves are done by more than one person (other than the person who doesn't do the move as well as the other guy).

:wtf:

KENTA

No, I wont untwist my panites. This could very easily be me getting my shit copped and pasted. I wont sit here and act like I dont care. It's bullshit, Punk should, I dunno, think of something for himself for once? How about that. Come up with something on his own? That'd be novel.

Check your facts genious.

Right, answer me this. If these guys are so useless, how come they've got recognition, they're wrestling regularly and they're actually getting paid to wrestle instead of telling the promoter 'Hey, I'll be happy to work for free!'?

They must be doing something right, they must be doing something that makes people give a damn about them opposed to Joe Blow who wrestles in a gym in Bumfuck, Idaho who is doing the exact same thing.

By the way, the reason I mentioned bitterness is because I got the impression as I was reading that whole thing of 'I'm resentful towards anyone on the independent circuit or overseas who is actually known to the IWC and meanwhile my entire career, I was stuck in obscurity and people were more concerned with scratching my balls than watching my matches.' Of course, I don't know anything about your career but that was my gut feeling.

What about honor? What about the issue of people calling KENTA a thief, when he damn well isn't. DOn't matter huh? Cause they're wong and all, well I don't know about you but it's shitty of someone put a guy through that. But hey, it's just some indy guy.

It always looks like he is, but thats just because its Japan, and their wrestling just seems second rate in the way its presented. I am however a fan of Mr. Kobashi.

You people have me flustered that you would put my paychecks in jeopardy under the guise that "it doesn't matter." I'm out for now.

<font color=white>If the ring was in space and Punk did the Plunge and nobody hit the floor and everything just...floated, WWE still wouldn't let Punk do it. What you meant to say was:

:y: