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Kris P Lettus 05-07-2007 09:04 PM

Liddell Vs Rampage II
 
Rampage Jackson is one of only three men to ever beat Chuck Liddell.. He is the only one of those three to never lose to Liddell soon there after.. These are two of my favorite fighters of all time.. I dunno who to pull for.. I'm leaning towards Jackson just to change things up at 205lbs.. This would also set up a better rematch between the two in UFC later on.. I know that a Liddell win sets up a rubberneck match but I'd hate to see someone eles step in to callenge if Rampage loses..



I dunno.. Can't f'n wait..

Fight Card

McLegend 05-07-2007 11:21 PM

Rampage motherfucker.

Rob 05-08-2007 12:00 AM

New champ.

Kris P Lettus 05-08-2007 12:32 AM

I love them both..

I really don't care who wins..

Crimson 05-08-2007 01:35 AM

Hard to picture Chuck losing...i don't see it, i understand this is the year of the upsets but don't think so in this case.

Innovator 05-08-2007 02:09 AM

After the last couple main events, I'm not picking anyone

Rob 05-08-2007 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson
Hard to picture Chuck losing...i don't see it, i understand this is the year of the upsets but don't think so in this case.

Chuck and his beer, peanuts and nyquill diets make me see a reason he can lose.

And I'm not saying with all that he can't win either.

Stickman 05-08-2007 01:39 PM

I think Chuck's going to win. I don't know what it is about the guy but he just doesn't lose focus or get frustrated. I don't follow Pride too much but all I read is Rampage hasn't done shit since beating Liddell, whereas Chuck just gets better. Round 2 TKO in similar fashion to the last Tito fight.

Kris P Lettus 05-08-2007 01:53 PM

Only two guys have beat Rampage since he beat Liddell in 2003..

Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Wanderlei "The Ax Murderer" Silva (twice)

Both are title contending Pride fighters who would be the same in UFC.. I mean, UFC tried to get Silva to fight Liddell for the title..

What are you talking about??

Stickman 05-08-2007 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
Only two guys have beat Rampage since he beat Liddell in 2003..

Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Wanderlei "The Ax Murderer" Silva (twice)

Both are title contending Pride fighters who would be the same in UFC.. I mean, UFC tried to get Silva to fight Liddell for the title..

What are you talking about??

Based off what I've read online, Rampage hasn't looked impressive. Also, I did watch their last fight and Liddell looked not like Liddell.

Kris P Lettus 05-08-2007 02:12 PM

They might be saying that because out of the ten fights since Liddell, he has lost three and three of the seven wins were by decision.. But, the thing about him is, he is just a natural fighter.. No real style.. It's hard to counter a fighter who throws everything at his opponent.. He is not scared to lose..

You should not count him out because some nerdy Monday morning quarterback like Meltzer says he's not impressed..

Liddell is my favorite fighter but it would not suprise me if Rampage beat him...again..

Kris P Lettus 05-08-2007 02:29 PM

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Kris P Lettus 05-08-2007 02:30 PM

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HeartBreakMan2k 05-08-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob
New champ.

:y:

Apocolyptik1 05-08-2007 08:15 PM

I like both guys, dont really care who wins but I would like Chuck to walk away with his title.

UFC should of let Rampage have more fights before this happened.

HeartBreakMan2k 05-08-2007 10:14 PM

They didn't want to risk him losing because they know they have a money match with him and Chuck.

I bet they wish they had Mirko fight Randy before he lost too :-p`

The Naitch 05-10-2007 12:29 AM

Meltzer is a fag. I can knock him out with one punch

The Naitch 05-10-2007 12:29 AM

what does Rampage's tattie say?

RAMPAGE
GODS'
SOLDIER

?

McLegend 05-10-2007 12:35 AM

Yes

Rampage is a born again Christian.

The Naitch 05-10-2007 12:39 AM

people say he lost his edge ever since he went born again

Agree or disagree?

McLegend 05-10-2007 12:46 AM

Yeah I think he has.

First Wanderlei Silva fight made him find God. Then the 2nd Wanderlei fight made him lose his warrior spirit.

Hopefully he has found it, becasue if he hasn't he can't beat Chuck. Well who knows now a days about who can beat who, but you get the idea.

Stickman 05-10-2007 01:53 PM

Out of curiousity, if Rampage did not beat Chuck in the first fight, would this fight even be happening?

For the up coming fight, do you think Rampage will actually be able to slam Liddell? Liddel easily handled Tito who's all about taking a guy down, he's beat Couture, Mr Wrestler twice. If Liddell is healthy, he will not end up on his back.

The Show Off 05-10-2007 03:29 PM

Quinton Jackson has a pretty good shot at beating Chuck Liddell when they have their re-match. Over the past year I've been trying to familarize myself with PRIDE, and one of the first matches I watched was Liddell v. Jackson. When I watched it I almost got sucked into the lame MMA myth that PRIDE is head and shoulders above UFC. To watch their first match is to see Liddell look his absolutely awful. I've never seen Liddell's first match against Horn, but I have seen his other two defeats at the hands of Couture and Jackson, Liddell looked much worse losing to Rampage then he did you The Natural. Both his match with Couture and Jackson went about the same way, they both ended in about thirteen minutes with Liddell getting pounded on from above, but everything that happened leading up to that was diffrent.

When Couture faught with Liddell you could see Liddell was a bit in awe of Randy, but was able to fight a pretty good fight. Couture was able to take down The Iceman at will but Liddell would always be able to pop right back up and continue until he ultimatly got knocked out. In contrast Liddell was taken down by Jackson at will but didn't pop back up. Liddell kept getting crushed by these looping haymakers that Jackson kept throwing, and eventually Liddell got knocked out after a lopsided fight.

Rumor has it though that during Liddell/Rampage I Liddell had torn muscles in his legs. At first when I heard this I thought it was cry baby non sense, but I've heard it in a few places, and when you watch the fight you can see it in action. Liddell usually checks his opponents with leg kicks so he can get in and bang, he didn;'t do so as fequently against Jackson. Liddell is usually good at avoiding strikes due to his foot work, that wasn't the case against Jackson. The most important thing about Liddell's game that leads one to believe he had an injury is the fact that Liddell didn't pop back up after getting taken down.

This all being said about Liddell's injury and how it affected the first fight is in no way to denograte Quinton Jackson's ability. Aside from Shogun, Hendo, Sokoudjou, Arona, and Wanderlei Silva, Jackson is the best Light Heavyweight in the buisness. However, since all the names I mentioned are in PRIDE thus wouldn't fight for the title and Jackson does deserve to get a shot at the title even if he and Liddell never faught before.

This fight is going to Chuck's biggest test of his UFC Championship reign. Jackson is basically like a stonger, more durable, better striking Tito Ortiz. In Liddell's last fight he had some trouble with Tito, and I think he'll have even more agaist Jackson. At the end of the day though I see Liddell winning the fight, but I think Chuck's streak of knock outs will come to end. I see this fight going all five rounds, and Liddell winning a close Unanimus decision. If it doesn't end like that Rampage will lose a controversal TKO with a quick ref stoppage or Rampage will win in the 4th or 5th round due to Liddell lacking condition. But if I were betting, which I wouldn't in MMA I got lucky betting on Gonzaga and lightning will not strike twice for me, I;d go with Liddell by decision.

Rob 05-10-2007 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Naitch
people say he lost his edge ever since he went born again

Agree or disagree?

Wouldn't agree. He came off two losses to Silva and that's enough to knock anyone's confidence.

The Naitch 05-11-2007 11:10 PM

I hope Rampage beats Chuck

GODS' SOLDIER

McLegend 05-18-2007 08:18 PM

The weigh-ins for this are next Friday at 7:30 on ESPN news.

Pretty hot there

Kris P Lettus 05-19-2007 12:53 PM

So during the Maywether/De La Hoya promotion ESPN was talking about UFC on a daily basis.. Sure most of the reporters are haters and are O'Reilly-esque with their thoughts on MMA, but does this mean that they're gonna start covering it?? If so, *spooges in pants*..

Kris P Lettus 05-19-2007 01:34 PM

Rampage Interview (part 1)

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(part 2)

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Kris P Lettus 05-19-2007 01:43 PM

I fucking love that guy..

Kris P Lettus 05-19-2007 01:46 PM

lol

Rampage cuts promo on Liddell..

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Kris P Lettus 05-19-2007 01:51 PM

I seriously fucking love Rampage..

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Kris P Lettus 05-19-2007 01:57 PM

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LOL

Is that Cro Cop laughing at the end??

Stickman 05-22-2007 04:04 PM

I think Rampage's humour is very overrated.

Rob 05-22-2007 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stickman
I think Rampage's humour is very overrated.

You can go now.

Stickman 05-22-2007 06:40 PM

Yes sir.

Rob 05-22-2007 06:57 PM

Okay come back now. Just as long as you know Rampage should have his own cable show.

Stickman 05-22-2007 07:27 PM

If it's on a network nobody can find like the NHL on OLN, I won't mind.

Kris P Lettus 05-22-2007 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stickman
I think Rampage's humour is very overrated.

I think you try way to hard to be hard..

Kris P Lettus 05-22-2007 07:44 PM

Oh, and what's up with Liddell being drunk on that Dallas morning show??

Why was he promoting 300 anyway??

Stickman 05-22-2007 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
I think you try way to hard to be hard..

Far from the truth.

Rob 05-22-2007 07:50 PM

He says he couldn't sleep for days and took some nyquill and it kicked in when he was on the show.

McLegend 05-22-2007 08:14 PM

Hence my custom title

Kris P Lettus 05-23-2007 01:07 PM

Why was he promoting 300??

Apocolyptik1 05-23-2007 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
Why was he promoting 300??

Because he probably got a lot of money to do so :D .

He had a pnuemonia (spelling?). Took some stuff for it (probably more then just nyquil by my estimation) and had trouble staying awake. Chuck's agent was really retarded for throwing him out on national TV when he knew he was buggered up. Dana should of challenged that dude to a boxing match :lol:

Kris P Lettus 05-24-2007 05:05 PM

CAN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR THIS FIGHT!!

OMG

The Show Off 05-24-2007 07:59 PM

UFC 71: Liddell vs. Jackson 2
Predictions

Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell v. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
WINNER: Chuck Liddell

Terry Martin v. Ivan Salaverry
WINNER: Terry Martin

Josh "The People's Warrior" Burkman v. "Karo "The Heat" Parisyan
WINNER: Josh "The People's Warrior" Burkman

Houston Alexander v. Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine
WINNER: Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine

Chris "The Crippler" Leben v. Kalib Starnes
WINNER: Chris "The Crippler" Leben

James "Sandman" Irvin v. Thiago Silva
WINNER: Thiago Silva

Alan "The Talent" Belcher v. Sean Salmon
WINNER: Sean Salmon

Jeremy Stephens v. Din "Dinyero" Thomas
WINNER: Din "Dinyero" Thomas

Wilson Gouveia v. Carmelo "The Fury" Marrero
WINNER: Carmelo "The Fury" Marrero

Kris P Lettus 05-24-2007 08:20 PM

I DON'T CARE WHO WINS THE MAIN EVENT I JUST WANT TO SEE IT

SPOOGE

McLegend 05-25-2007 01:43 PM

espn.com now has an MMA section on their website

Innovator 05-25-2007 02:06 PM

tits

McLegend 05-25-2007 02:20 PM

Rachelle Leah's tits :shifty:

Loose Cannon 05-25-2007 02:39 PM

Good Bye Chuck. god, I can't wait for that.

hatorian 05-26-2007 03:42 AM

my predictions for tomorrow's fight:
Chuck TKO Round 2
Karo Decision
Leben KO Round 3
Irvin Decision
Thomas Sub Round 2
Martin TKO Round 1
Marerro Decison
Jardine TKO Round 2
Salmon Decision

Rob 05-26-2007 06:40 PM

I forget my exact predictions but they are on some MMA fantasy site so I'll post them later. I definately picked Rampage by 2nd KO and Karo to win.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 05-26-2007 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
So during the Maywether/De La Hoya promotion ESPN was talking about UFC on a daily basis.. Sure most of the reporters are haters and are O'Reilly-esque with their thoughts on MMA, but does this mean that they're gonna start covering it?? If so, *spooges in pants*..

UFC was also on the cover of this past week's Sports Illustrated too, so they will probably start to cover the major fights like they do for boxing.

Rob 05-26-2007 08:04 PM

ESPN are 100% into covering MMA like a legit sport now. About time since it is one. Good for them though.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 05-26-2007 08:20 PM

I figured it would happen in due time. I am assuming they just wanted to wait for it to be accepted by the majority so they wouldn't have to worry about sponsorships and things like that.

Blitz 05-26-2007 08:35 PM

Gonna watch this tonight.

McLegend 05-26-2007 09:11 PM

I can't wait for this.

I'm so excited.

Crimson 05-26-2007 09:53 PM

Go RAMPAGE!

Alot of people are picking him to win now...damn it is a tossup but for some reason I still think Lidell will win...probably because he has looked so impressive the last few years and looks unbeatable. As long as it is a good fight.

HeartBreakMan2k 05-26-2007 10:49 PM

]UFC 71: Liddell vs. Jackson 2
Predictions

Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell v. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
WINNER: Rampage

Terry Martin v. Ivan Salaverry
WINNER: Terry Martin

Josh "The People's Warrior" Burkman v. "Karo "The Heat" Parisyan
WINNER: Parisyan

Houston Alexander v. Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine
WINNER: Jardine

Chris "The Crippler" Leben v. Kalib Starnes
WINNER: Leben

James "Sandman" Irvin v. Thiago Silva
WINNER: Silva

Alan "The Talent" Belcher v. Sean Salmon
WINNER: Salmon

Jeremy Stephens v. Din "Dinyero" Thomas
WINNER: Stephens

Wilson Gouveia v. Carmelo "The Fury" Marrero
WINNER: Gouveia

Crimson 05-27-2007 12:48 AM

lol jardine

Crimson 05-27-2007 01:05 AM

lol ,this Rampage entrance is like if he was in WWE.

Crimson 05-27-2007 01:19 AM

WOWWW..Knocked the fuck out

alvarado52 05-27-2007 01:32 AM

son!

The Naitch 05-27-2007 01:42 AM

who won?

HeartBreakMan2k 05-27-2007 01:43 AM

Very nice card, incredibly nice stoppage by Big John too.

SammyG 05-27-2007 01:48 AM

Rampage knocked the fuck outta Lidell in the first round. Lidell looked pretty shocked that the fight was stopped.

McLegend 05-27-2007 01:49 AM

RAMPAGE MOTHERFUCKER.

Greatest night ever. Awsome show to btw.

HeartBreakMan2k 05-27-2007 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG
Rampage knocked the fuck outta Lidell in the first round. Lidell looked pretty shocked that the fight was stopped.

He didn't actually realize he went out that second time.

SammyG 05-27-2007 01:55 AM

That was awesome, clap clap, clap clap clap, that was awesome

Innovator 05-27-2007 01:57 AM

.......

McLegend 05-27-2007 02:02 AM

Also the Jardine/Alexander fight was one of the most exciting things I have ever seen.

One of the best PPV's UFC has ever done.

RAMPAGE

SammyG 05-27-2007 02:10 AM

I just wanna see Chuck's reaction.

McLegend 05-27-2007 03:24 AM

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9...fc71412om8.jpg

Blitz 05-27-2007 03:57 AM

Rampage/Chuck was cool, but the moment of the night had to be Houston Alexander's ravaging of Keith Jardine.

Crimson 05-27-2007 12:09 PM

Top 10 reasons Lidelle fans will bring on as to why he lost..

1. Rampage was too big to see
2. Rampage's eyes were too small to thumb
3. Chuck was not ready for the Octagon
4. Rampage got lucky hits just like last time
5. Chuck was sad because some dog died
6. Chuck has a second torn quad
7. Chuck was infected by Diego tonight
8. Rampage used steroid, vitamins & viagra (not training & natural ability)
9. Chuck got poked by Rampage's ...during the match
10. A group of Angels guided Rampage's punches to Chuck

YOUR Hero 05-27-2007 12:10 PM

Damn, this has really been the year of the upset. Not that this win by Jackson is considered a huge upset, but look back at all the champs and favourites that were beat this year. This is good for the sport though, especially with it blowing up with the mainstream sports media.

Reavant 05-27-2007 12:14 PM

Its ok Dan henderson will beat the shit out of rampage when they meet now.

Savio 05-27-2007 12:43 PM

:lol: @ chuck

Innovator 05-27-2007 12:44 PM

I had a feeling like Randy/Chuck II, throughout the night. All the celebs picked Chuck, then Bruce Buffer announced him as the most dominant champ...dude thats asking for him to lose.

Props to Rampage, looked like a million bucks. Chuck at least said he got caught, nothing else to say.

Maybe Chuck gets the winner of Tito/Rashad or Forrest if he wins his fight

Mr Regal 05-27-2007 12:51 PM

Just caught the Rampage Liddell fight and the Jardine Alexander one on you tube. Both pretty awesome stoppages. Alexander looks like a big tough crazy son of a bitch, i'll be interested to see who they put him up against next(especially considering Jardine handed Griffin his ass).

Rampage vs Ortiz is the fight i want to see. Just for the amount of shit that will be talked:lol:

YOUR Hero 05-27-2007 01:22 PM

post the you tube clip, you scum!

YOUR Hero 05-27-2007 01:39 PM

...I can't find last night's fight. I find tributes and their first fight.

Oh and this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVgRD2943tI

Y2Ant 05-27-2007 03:33 PM

Yeah I can't find it either, just a bunch of fat geeky looking faggots giving their predictions.

Rob 05-27-2007 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reavant
Its ok Dan henderson will beat the shit out of rampage when they meet now.

I beg to differ.

Rob 05-27-2007 07:56 PM

You need to see Liddell's face... when he got KO'd the first time, then we Rampage when on top of him pounding his face in and he woke up and then one punch later when Rampage KO'd him for the second time in one fight and then when Big John saved his life.

Rob 05-27-2007 08:11 PM

As for my predictions, I only got Jardine and Leben wrong. Even got all the undercard right.

mmaplayground.com for proof.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 05-27-2007 08:13 PM

The intial knock down blow kinda came out of no where

Mr Regal 05-28-2007 08:38 AM

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McLegend 05-28-2007 11:27 AM

I love it.

Rob 05-28-2007 11:53 AM

Chuck certainly didn't need any nyquill to sleep there.

Mr Regal 05-28-2007 01:36 PM

Man they keep taking the fight down every time it goes up on you tube

Stickman 05-28-2007 01:46 PM

I'm not surprised that Rampage won, I'm suprised how early he won. Thought it was an early stopage at first but on the replay it was a great stoppage. What did they both say in the post fight interviews?

El Capitano Gatisto 05-28-2007 01:46 PM

A Chuck Liddell fight that lasts longer than a round would be nice for a change.

Rob 05-28-2007 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stickman
I'm not surprised that Rampage won, I'm suprised how early he won. Thought it was an early stopage at first but on the replay it was a great stoppage. What did they both say in the post fight interviews?

Rampage told the fans to stop booing him and did one of his normal great promos. This is what happens when you let a black man in the UFC :D

Nobody understood a word Chuck said but it something down the lines of him saying it was a fair KO and he'll be back.

Dan Henderson came into the Octagon and Rampage started rubbing and kissing one of his Pride belts and saying he was the better champion and telling Henderson to smile and then take his false teeth out and smile. Also said although they are friends, he'll fight his friends for money and he started ribbing on Kevin James saying he had a big crib and he wants one too. :D


This man is awesome.

Stickman 05-28-2007 03:11 PM

The fans were booing Rampage??? If so musta been because it was such a short fight and everybody was hoping for a war.

Reavant 05-28-2007 03:12 PM

Rampage is going to be a very charismatic champ, but he wont be one for long. He happens to have the right attributes to take it to Chuck Liddel, but Im affraid thats it. He has Chucks number, but He does not match up well with other fighters that are going to be in contention for his title. Henderson might be a little small for him, therefore the fighting match up might not matter, but in the case of fighters like wanderlei silva, hes been knocked out without question twice. Guys that come after Rampage like Wanderlei did will pose a huge problem for him.

Liddel just sits back and is a counter puncher. The best way to defeat an opponent that is defensive and relys on countering in any combat sport like wrestling or mma, is to go right after them and wear them out with a relentless attack. Now Chuck did get caught this fight but in the first one that was not the case. It can be seen in the first and third fight with Randy. Randy was coming strait at him except randy sliped and Chuck made him pay for it.

Rob 05-28-2007 03:30 PM

I thought (and still think) that if Tito Ortiz tries dirty boxing in the clinch or throw jabs before trying leg take downs that he'd have Chuck's number too. That 3rd fight is definately gonna happen now.

205lbs - Rampage, Liddell, Shogun, Henderson, Silva, Ortiz, Griffin, Arona, Sokoudjou, Overeem, Bisping, Evans, Machida, etc. Now that's a fucking division.

Reavant 05-28-2007 03:32 PM

205 is definatly the most exciting and most competitive division around. Perfect combination of speed and strength.

Reavant 05-28-2007 03:35 PM

I agree about tito too.... its just that too much respect is given to liddel and no one comes after him because theyre affraid of his punch.


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