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NBA 2007 Offseason Thread
Post rumors, trades, deals and anything else involving the offseason in this thread. Here's hoping the Lakers pull off something sweet.
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I have a feeling the Lakers are gonna be doin some big things this off-season.
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Pistons should trade Rip or Sheed
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Pistons trade Delfino to the Raptors for 2 2nd rd draft picks.
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lol at the Lebrons, thats what its all about in the mix
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Pacers should trade Larry Bird.
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Every keeps saying we're getting Odom and Bynum and Brown for O'Neal. First of all, Kwame Brown is one of the worst players in the NBA. The guy cant even catch the ball when its passed to him. Its so embarressing that i'm embarressed for him when i watch him play. Second, Andrew Bynum is a gamble. The last high school guy the Pacers gambeled on was supposed to be the next KG and that never happend. Third, Lamar Odom is easily a top 10 player in the league....if he plays. The idea or rumor that he wants a 3 year extension on his contract if he's traded to Indiana, is fucking insane. If this injury plagued player who already has a big contract, thinks Indiana is gunna give him 3 more years, someone needs to drug test Lamar Odom again. Then again, we did pick up Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavys contracts. And we did pay Jamaal Tinsley a long term deal.
I'd love to see them go after Marion, but that most likely wont happen cause the Suns want to trade him to avoid the luxury tax. Maybe a sign and trade involvind Rashaad Lewis? I dunno. If i was a betting man, i'd say O'Neal will be in a Pacers jersey next year. |
Kobe told the owner of the Lakers again he wants to be traded.
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O'neal and Tinsley for Kobe!
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Yeah reports are Kobe got ticked because the Lakers changed their mind on the Odom/Bynum for J O'Neal deal. Buss is gonna meet with Kobe one more time to try to change his mind but it seems that if nothings settled there that Kobe will prolly get traded.
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Yeah Jonathan Bender was a big time bust for the Pacers. But he was very injury prone wasnt he?
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Lakers are right, Odom/Bynum > O'Neal.
I don't think the Lakers have made bad moves in the past year or two. Sure, with a dominant big man and Kobe they could be contenders. But where are they going to get a dominant big man? Jermaine O'Neill? Give me a break. The type of guy they need is KG or Duncan, and they aren't going to get him. Better off with young players than overpriced, underachieving veterans. I would imagine that if Kobe is that upset then the Lakers will be trading him for a younger player who could very soon reach superstar status (Ginobili, Paul, Deng etc., of course the Lakers would demand more than just Kobe for Paul though). Or else they trade him for a series of real good, real early draft picks. I doubt Portland or Seattle is going to be trading this year, but if they can find a shitty team willing to give up two first rounders that will easilly be lottery picks, I think they take it. The problem with the NBA right now is that the general managers are horrible and there are very few good teams. What will most likely happen with Kobe is that he will end up going to a team like the Knicks or the Wizards and never win a championship. It is pretty unlikely that the Lakers can develop a supporting cast to win a championship in the next five years, but it is much smarter to start young than to go for FA's. |
Steven A. said that he thinks a Kobe to the Bulls for Gordon, Deng, and Noconi deal is very possible
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I agree. J Oneal is a talented player, he can give you on a consisent basis 20 pts 12 rebs and 5 blks. But if you give up Odom and Bynum for him you basically traded 2 5 dollar bills for a 10, they are worth the same amount. A bad thing about J Oneal is he is very injury prone. He misses a lot of games during the season.
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I am absolutely terrified that Im gonna wake up one morning, check the news, and see the Lakers trading Kobe and not getting back equal value. Plus, yeah, fuck the whole Odom AND Drew for JO. That is a terrible deal.
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The 3 top trades for Kobe is
To the Bulls for Gordon, Deng, and Noconi The Problem: While having Kobe would be great for the Bulls you would lose a lot of depth and have little off the bench beyond your starting 5 (Hinrich, Duhon, Kobe, Wallace, Brown) To the Suns for Marion and Barbosa Problem: The Suns want to trade Marion for cap room and acquiring Kobe would end any ideas of clearing cap space To the Knicks for Marbury, Frye, and a 1st Rd Pick Problem: The situation would be even worse than the Lakers if Kobe went to the Knicks with the roster they would have. Plus the Lakers fans would be ticked if they only got Marbury Frye and a 1st Rder for one of the elite players in the game. The |
First of all. O'neal is a great player. Lets just get that out of the way. The guy has had some bad luck the last 3 years with the brawl and a few nagging injuries, but he's tough. He played the last month of this season with a torn MCL and still put up number. He's a major defensive presence and will score 20-25 points and grab 10 rebounds. Compared to Odom, whos Mr. Underachiever and had injury problems and a kid whos what 19 and your only keeping him cause he might be great?? And you say its a terrible deal? Getting an established All-Star big man with MVP type potential. Give me a break. Thats a fantastic deal that makes you guys contenders in the west right away especially if they added Tinsely.
Your giving up a career 15ppg 10reb guy and a 19 your old kid with huge potential ( we all know how that usually works out ) for All Star PF/Center. Kobe's right, you guys are stupid. He should get out now. Thats why the Lakers wont win a title as long as they dont make a trade. |
Lamar Odom is a top 10 player in the league, in my opinion. I believe giving him up AND bynum would be too much. But it's probably gonna happen. Looks like Kobe wants out regardless anyway.
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Lamar Odom is no where near a top 10 player in the NBA. He's not even top 20 and probably not even top 30. I hope the Laker organization doesnt think the same way there fans are cause if so, buh bye Kobe. Lamar Odom has top 10 hell even top 5 talent, but he has never put it together to have a top 10 player season. |
BRING KOBE TO INDY!
Fuck it. I cant describe how electric this city would be if Kobe was playing in a Pacer uni. Fuck it man, give them O'Neal, Tinsley, Dunleavy and Larry Bird. Lets get Bean to Indy. I'd become a season ticket holder if that happend. Kobe and Granger together? Thats a modern day Pipped and Jordan. |
Even though the Pacers and Pistons probably won't trade with each other, I wouldn't mind seeing this happen.
Now keep in mind, I'm bored and I'm playing around with ESPN's trade machine. Pacers get: Richard Hamilton Rasheed Wallace Jordan Farmar Andrew Bynum Vladimir Radmanovic Lakers get: Jermaine O'Neal Marcus Camby Jamaal Tinsley Nuggets get: Jason Maxiell Lindsey Hunter Kwame Brown Troy Murphy Pistons get: Lamar Odom Kenyon Martin Reggie Evans ------------ Now I don't want Wallace on the Pacers so trade him to the Knicks for David Lee and a draft pick. And while they are at it, find someone to take Radmanovic for a pick or something. Lineups next year could be. PG: Jordan Farmar or someone from FA SG: Rip Hamilton SF: Danny Granger PF: David Lee C: Ike Diogu Reserves: Dunleavy, Daniels, Bynum, Williams, Foster, Harrison, Greene |
Nuggets laughed at Lakers when they called to offer Kwame for someone(s).
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Or JO for Marion straight up.
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yup
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Dont forget last months awful trade offer
The Knicks offered Channing Frye, Malik Rose, and Jerome James for J Oneal and it was rejected immedately. |
Lakers also got laughed at a couple years back when they offered Kobe for Amare and Marion and Odom to the Kings for Webber and Peja
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Read this trade rumor on a sports site and VonErich Lives posted this in the NBA thread but I will put it on the offseason thread
Garnett to the Celtics for Green, Jefferson, Telfair, Ratliff and the #5 pick |
I believe Bostons SL after the trade would be
Rondo Pierce Wally KG Raef Off the Bench West and Gomes |
That trade would make absolutely no sense for the Timberwolves. With how bad the NBA is this season, the Wolves are one more move away from being back in the playoffs next year. They already made a great, albiet small, move in dumping Mike James for Juwan Howard. Now, if they can find way to get rid of Troy Hudson and/or Marco Jaric, even for a second round DP, they can make the playoffs. If Kevin Garnett is going to be traded, which I still doubt, it will be at the deadline.
For the Lakers, they are doing exactly the right thing right now. Too many teams in the NBA would trade away solid and young players for an overpriced, underachieving veteran, and that is why the NBA sucks. Unless the big man in question is Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Nowitski, Amare, maybe one of two others, he is not going to make you a contender. Trading for JO would not make the Lakers contenders and would fuck up their whole future. The right thing for them to do, if Kobe can't wait, is trade him. The deal with the Bulls seems too good to be true for L.A. If they could trade Kobe for those three players, I think it would be done. Neither of them have the superstar power that Kobe does, but Deng was incredible last year and the other two are great players as well. Also to keep in mind, the Bulls have a very high draft pick from the Knicks. If they are the potential suitors for Kobe, I could that coming into play as well. For that four team trade above, wishful thinking on the part of the Pacers, but not very realistic. I know it wasn't supposed to be, but just to make it clear :) |
Since I am bored and a bit energized right now, I will do you all a favor and give you my analysis on the Wolves. They aren't all that interesting, but just to give you guys a perspective on a team (since that's kind of why we are here).
Like I said above, I think they are one move from making the playoffs next year. The problem last year is that there were too many guards, all of which were average and needed a lot of playing time to do anything. They have already gotten rid of Mike James, now if they can get rid of either Hudson or Jaric that would be a positive step. As it works right now, the lineup should look like this: PG - Foye SG - Davis SF - Hassell PF - Garnett C - Blount 6 - McCants 7 - Howard 8 - Craig Smith That said, things can easily change, and they likely will. The main reason that I think the Wolves can be good is the draft. As of right now, the Wolves will likely take Joakim Noah, Mike Conley Jr., or some power forward. My choice right now is to take Noah. If you draft him, he immediately makes Trenton Hassell expendable. Noah can play the 3 and immediately be the best defender on the floor, and he helps take the pressure off KG. Assuming Hassell can be traded, then it makes Jaric and Hudson easier to trade, and I would go as far as to say McCants could be traded as well. With those players, I would think there might be a decent player out there who could help, say maybe Rip Hamilton or something. So really, I think the draft for the Wolves is as important this year as it ever has been. Taking a player like Noah who will be able to step in and fill a role immediately could be enough to bolster this lineup into the playoffs. The trade assets aren't great, but a combination of Hassell, Hudson and McCants could land a player like Larry Hughes, who would fit much better on the Wolves than the Cavs. I actually like Hudson and Hassell would fit great on the Cavs as well. I might be rambling at this point, and I don't want to sound too optimistic, but outside of six or seven teams the NBA is as weak as it has ever been right now. I don't think Durant does anything for the Sonics this year and the Blazers are bound to have growing pains. An added defensive, big-man role player and a more consistant scorer than Ricky Davis has the Wolves easily in the playoffs this year. |
PG - Foye
SG - Hughes SF - Noah PF - Garnett C - Blount 6 - Davis 7 - Howard 8 - Smith Only a backup PG away from an eight seed baby! |
Whatever team Jokim Noah is on is officially my new most hated team....even if it is the Celtics :(
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I haven't watched NBA lately except for the finals but how has Telfair been?
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Anyway, as I said there... while I can understand the Celtics reasoning for it, I'm not sure I like the deal. Garnett and Pierce would probably get the Celtics to the Eastern Confrence Championship game, because in todays NBA especially the East you really only need 2 "stars" and the whole Pierce isn't getting younger and if you wait for Green, Jefferson and the #5 pick whoever it is to mature then Pierce will be to old. If that's the case I say you deal Pierce. Either in a move that gets you a young player or simply open up the cap space so a year or two down the road as the young players are ready you can nail that big free agent. |
LMFAO @ that Kobe tape, with him bashing Bynum, and the front office.
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It seems Kobe is gonna get traded. I heard that it will prolly be a three way deal with the Wizards and Bulls.
Lakers get Arenas Butler Gordon Bulls get Kobe Wizards get Deng Nocioni |
Problem is I heard was that the Wizards really dont want to part with Butler
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Reggie Theus is the new Kings head coach. Many thought it would be Larry Brown. I like the Theus hire, but I thought he should have coached at a high profile college for several years before he took a NBA job.
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The Sonics plan to annouce their new head coach within a week or 2. They annouced the 3 finalists are Carlisemo, Casey, and Carlisle.
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Arenas has already stated that next season is his last with the Wizards as he wants to opt out, so the Wizards could trade him to get something in return for him.
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I don't remember the full story... but Kobe went to Chicago and Pierce to LA, I don't remember what Boston got, it was something from Chicago. may have involved others. |
To be honest, I don't believe one of those rumors.
1. The three-way with the Wizards is great for the Lakers and OK for the Bulls, but the Wizards lose way too much. Even with Arenas opting out next year, it is more likely it is just so he can get more money and stay in Washinton. The Lakers totally win that trade, giving up one player for three very, very good players. The only way I could see this is if the Lakers gave up another above average player, at least. 2. I don't see why the Bulls continue to get named in these rumors. Trading Deng for Kobe is a slight upgrade, but the fact remains that they need a PF, not a slightly more polished SG/SF. 3. It's funny how Boston keeps getting their foot in the door here, they have nothing to offer. Paul Pierce is the perfect example of bad trade bait in the NBA. He has some quality, but he also has some age and he hasn't won in a while. Statistically he might seem like a decent match but at this point he is nothing what Kobe is. 4. You also have to remember that the Lakers don't have much of a bargaining chip here. Shaq leaving was a bit different, since it was 100% that he was going to leave, but the Lakers basically got nothing for him. If they hold onto him, they have a grumpy player who will also sell seats and probably guide the team into the playoffs. If they trade him, it is likely going to be for less value. I really don't see Kobe going anywhere unless the Lakers can get some good draft picks for him. The problem there is Kobe has a no-trade clause, so he isn't going to a shitty team. I find it hard to believe he is not a Laker next year unless the management puts its tail between the legs and takes a shitty offer. |
That 3 team trade with the Wizards involved is fucking unbelievably amazing for LA. That would be sweet as hell. Won't happen though, cuz yeah, Arenas is gonna be a Wizard next year for sure.
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That being said, I don't see Kobe wanting to play in Boston, and would only assume the Celtics as part of a 3-way and not getting Kobe. I think the Garnett deal is more likely... Minnesota gets younger and frees up cap space and while Garnett is a great player he just hasn't won it their yet and may not have the team around him before he's too old (see: Pierce). honestly, the 6-1 makes sense for both sides, as a Boston fan, I don't really want it to happan... I'd rather deal Pierce and get younger then deal Jefferson and Green. |
You are right about your last sentence VEL. That is the problem with the NBA is that a team like the Celtics would trade promising young players for old shit. Free agents/trades rarely mean success, look at Ron Artest, Allen Iverson, Chris Webber a few years ago, huge moves, nothing happens. So I think you are exactly right about rather trading Pierce than the other stuff.
I still don't think the Wolves would make that trade though, because like I sadi earlier, they are two small moves from being a playoff team with Garnett next year. I can't see them ditching him until the deadline, if ever. |
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Lol, that does seem pretty rediculous, but with the Timberwolves and the NBA nothing is impossible.
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It's so scary turning on the tv every morning, just waiting to see a headline saying: Kobe Bryant traded to "enter team name". Damn. We are gonna be so terrible next year.
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The Los Angeles Lakers trade Kobe Bryant to the New York Knicks for Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, and Renaldo Balkman.
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I read up on some national stuff today. According to one of the ESPN reporters, Kobe will only allow himself to be traded to Dallas, Phoenix or Chicago, so basically the only option is to trade him to Chicago. I still stand that the Lakers are not going to trade him at a discount and are not going to trade him for anybody less than a bona fide superstar, on and off the court.
The more I read about Garnett the more likely it seems that he will be traded, if the right deal comes about. The two potential deals, although I don't think there is any solid information on either, is the one with Boston and one for Amare Staudemire. Both are interesting, but I don't know how likely either one is to happen. People point out to how bad the Cav's were other than LeBron, but they are still a hell-of-a-lot better than the Celtics would be after that trade. Essentially all they would have left is two players. I don't see why Boston would give up that much, because they would still have a lot of holes to fill to be a legit contender. The Phoenix rumors are more interesting. I never even would have thought Amare would be an option, but if he is this could be a trade I like. I love the Suns, I think they are one of the few exciting NBA teams and they definitely have a team character, so on one hand I don't want them to lose Amare. On the other hand, Kevin Garnett could be dominant for them. On my third hand, I would point out that Amare is a center, KG is definitely not a center. Personally, I don't think the Suns would part with Amare for KG, maybe Marion and a couple other players (since Marion is on a contract year, if I am correct?). It would make more sense for them and KG would make them instant favorites, I would think. At the same time, either Amare or Marion on the Wolves would still make them an average team, no better. |
Yeah a friend told me about the Amare for KG rumors.
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While KG is a much better rebounder than Amare, KG is also 7 years older I believe. I dont think Id make that move if I was Phx.
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Steven A brought up this trade
Lakers get Marion, Barbosa, Kurt Thomas and a first rd pick Suns get Kobe and Kwame |
I just don't think the Lakers and Suns are going to be making any trades with each other.
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lol tell me about it. Rarely do you see a coach in the NBA have a very long tenure with one team (Sloan the exception)
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and Greg Popovich
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Kobe should retire.
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I will PROBABLY become the Biggest Kobe Hater if he leaves.
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Kevin Durant baby
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BREAKING NEWS: Trade talks between the Celtics and the Wolves about KG have ended.
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Sources today in Minnesota: Kevin Garnett has told the Timberwolves and the Celtics that he does not want to go to Boston and he will opt out of his contract after a year if he is traded. He has also made it known that he does not desire to be traded, he is content in Minnesota right now.
This is as expected. When it comes down to it, Garnett has been in Minnesota for 11 years now. As hard as it may be to fathom, he does have roots in Minneapolis. He just bought a huge house in the suburbs, if he ever really wanted to be traded (which he has never said he does) he isn't going to voluntarily go to a team that is no better off and that has an equally shitty GM. Kind of funny though, if that BS trade ESPN thought up was true, the Wolves would have taken in like nine players from the Celtics in the past two years. Cooool McHale and Ainge. Like I said before, the overall quality in the NBA is so bad that the Wolves could easily make the playoffs this year with a few more tweaks in this offseason. KG stays, if he is ever traded, it's at the deadline. |
More breaking news: KG Wants to go to PHX
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“Andrew Bynum? What the f—?” Bryant says in disgust. “Are you kidding me? Andrew Bynum? F—ing ship his ass out. Are you kidding me? We’re talking about Jason Kidd. But they didn’t even want to do that. Now we’re here in this f—ed up position.”
The tandem then asked Bryant what he thought about Bynum’s potential. Bryant smiled and started to shake his head as if he was about to go on another tirade. “You know what man? Let me tell you something. Mitch Kupchak had the nerve to ask me…” At this point the 24-second video clip ends abruptly and we are left to wonder what Bryant says next. “The Kobe Video Guys” say that Bryant went on to say, “How good do you think Andrew Bynum is going to be in 10 years? Are you f—ing kidding me? I’m trying to win this s— now.” A week later the duo again ran into Bryant in Newport Beach, after he had made his trade demands public, and pulled out a cell phone and recorded one of them telling Bryant, “Please tell us you’re staying.” Bryant responded by saying, “Get a Bulls uniform fellas.” |
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Garnett doesn't have a choice if they want to trade him, and unless they re-up him I expect him gone... the Wolves would rather get something then nothing and he can opt-out at years end on the Wolves. I'd also expect whoever deals for him gets him to sign or pays a bargin price to "rent" him
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That is completely off base.
1. The Wolves are not actively looking to trade Garnett. They have made it known that they are at least listening to offers now, but they aren't actively shopping him. 2. The Wolves have also made it clear that Garnett will have considerable influence on where he would be traded to, out of respect. 3. Even if the first two were not true, no team is going to make a trade of any value if Garnett says, point blank, "I will opt out after this season." The Celtics would have traded their whole future for one season. 4. Kevin Garnett has never, EVER said that he wants to be traded. He has made hints at being frustrated in the past, but he HAS said he would like to stay with Minnesota and that right now he fully intends to start the season in Minnesota. 5. Kevin Garnett is guaranteed $23 million for 2008-09. If he opts out of that season, his new contract would probably give him half that amount. KG would like to win a championship, obviously, but he is very comfortable in Minnesota and making a rediculous amount of money. I would be very, very shocked if he took a giant pay-cut to potentially play for a championship. |
If you were a T-Wolves fan. Who would you hope to get for KG? Amare or Marion?
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Who do you think will be more likely to get traded? Kobe or KG?
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Garnett, but there's a 99.9% chance neither one gets traded
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I know SammyG is hoping not. But like I said before unless there is a miracle intervention by some1 in the Lakers, or a MAJOR trade that the Lakers get in a bargain, I see Kobe getting traded.
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The East is the place to go right now, the West has about ten real good teams right now and about four more that could contend in a couple years.
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No, I agree with Miz. The way things stand, the Lakers and Wolves are much better with Kobe and KG than without them. KG wouldn't sit out, I highly doubt Kobe would either, so unless they find great trades they will stay on their teams.
To the above question about Marion vs. Amare, for the Wolves I would say Amare. Marion is a great player, but he doesn't have the dominant ability that Amare has. He fits in perfect with the current Suns, where he can do a lot of everything but not be relied on. |
Yeah while both are great Id rather have Amare.
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Breaking news: Videotape released of Kobe having sex with wife.
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I bet its called Tequila Mamba
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How do you play with the Laker this next season now if your Kobe? If i was Bynum, i'd demand to be traded and refuse to ever play with Kobe Bryant again. Fuck Kobe ( unless he comes to Indy ).
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I'm a Red Sox fan, I've seen this happan many times :) Side note, whoever was involved in a 3-way from the Suns has said he doesn't want to play in Minnesota or Boston. big NBA trades are so difficult because of the cap rules... few people understand that. |
The Wolves already are idiots, that's pretty clear. I am just saying that if KG doesn't want to go to a certain city and says he will opt out, the Wolves won't get any value for him. Also, say KG did stay in Minnesota for the next two years, I wouldn't say it's a given that he doesn't re-sign.
For the Suns, wasn't it Marion who listed Minnesota and a bunch of other cities as places he wouldn't want to play? TBH, I don't get why the Suns are even willing to trade Marion. I consider him to be extremely important in their system. Nash sets it all up, but Marion's versatility does so much for them. You can plug any 2-guard in there and he will be good, but I don't think replacing Marion is going to be a piece of cake. |
Yeah it would definitely be awkward. If they are both on the Lakers come October, there's gonna be a fight. And Kobe is gonna make him cry, just like Phil did. Bynum needs to get outta LA.
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Bucher says Kobe is so serious about wanting out of L.A that he will sit out the entire year if the Lakers dont trade him.
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Yeah Marion said if he gets traded to Min that he would play only one season there and opt out.
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Kobe Bryant will be a Laker come October.
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Kobe for No. 7 draft pick, Rashad McCants, Troy Hudson and Marco Jaric.,
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I feel you. It's gonna be a dark day in sports when that happens. :-\ |
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It won't happen. If something big is going to happen in Los Angeles this offseason, they are going to find a way to get Garnett.
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I wish. By the way, here's another rumor. Kwame, Farmar, Bynum and the 19th pick for JO. Ridiculous rumors comin' around.
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Think the Lakers might push harder for some1 like Camby or Artest?
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We offered Kwame for Camby and they laughed in our face. Artest in LA would be pretty cool. Even Mamba said he'd like that.
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I think it would take a lot for the Lakers to get KG. Id say it would have to take Odom, Kwame, Walton, and a 1st rder
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Yeah, Agreed. I love Luke Walton, and would hate to see him go. But if that's what is required to get KG, so be it.
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Yeah I heard that they laughed at that trade and said they would consider Kwame for Nene but not Camby. I heard that if Artest wants out of Sac (although some reports think he loves the Theus head coaching hire) that Miami would be the fav to get him but you would think the Lakers would make an offer.
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The Lakers getting a big trade or 2 without giving up a lot is the only way I think Kobe stays. It seems he wants Bynum gone but would be mad if Odom is gone as well
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Bynum wont be a Laker next year. No way he is.
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Yup he has to be ticked, offended and betrayed on Kobes remarks, and I see him gone since he was not a favorite of Phil Jacksons as well.
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Exactly.
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