I'm watchin' Nancy Grace...
 

And Merc Mero and Steve Blackman are on talking about the Benoit thing, blah blah blah.

Anyhow, Blackman is the fuckin' man. And Mero is a candy ass bitch.

Mero is saying it is the wrestling industry's fault. Blackman is saying it is personal decision.

Blackman > Mero.

Man, people really are coming out of the woodwork to use this tragedy to get their mug on tv again.

I didn't even know Mero was still alive.

Mero looks like a fucking tranny.

Also, Blackman is the man.

I can't wait for Max Mini.

"Steroids stunted my growth!"

They're both right.

:lol:

Doink: "Steroids turned my hair green."

Agreed.

lol Blackman.

Nash is on fox news now

I think it was taped earlier

#1 draw in Fox News history.

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:yes:

lol Blackman and Mero are going at it right now.

Just go on and see my post about Abyss talking.

That's one of the core beliefs in my religion.

When Mero shut the fuck up and Blackman was allowed to speak, Blackman owned his ass.

I loved this though:

Mero: We've been given an opportunity to make a difference!

A) Nobody listens to you, ex-Mr. Sable.
B) Even if someone did, what are you going to do, force them to stop doing drugs?

Yes. Raising awareness to a problem is a bad thing.

While Marc Mero is right about raising awareness to the problems, he is coming off as a complete alarmist. Saying the industry is evil, and that it forces everyone to do drugs and so on and so forth.

Though, I did like how Mero said it was the industry as a whole, not just WWE. And when the bitch who was sitting in for Nancy Grace kept trying to say WWE is the big dog or whatever, Mero kept to his guns as said it was all of wrestling, not just WWE.

Awareness is great, I just REALLY don't think that Mero is the person to do it. I think he's grabbing for some time in the sun that isn't all bound up with "I used to boink that chick that was in Playboy." I also have doubts about his contention that he wasn't on steroids when he worked for Vince. Blackman I feel I can trust, though I'm not sure why. He just seems more believable to me.

BTW, can we have like an official "This person was on TV talking about Benoit" thread so we don't keep having these every time someone sticks their nose on TV?

As an aside, Blackman could probably kill Mero seven times before he hit the ground.

These are probly why you can trust Blackman:

1. You are a black man, even though Steve is white, his name is Blackman, so you can relate to him more. :roll:

2. Merc Mero looks like a tranny now, and has a wierd voice. Blackman still looks exactly the same as he always has.

3. Blackman only spoke for himself, Mero was making broad generaliztions and talking for every wrestler ever (plus seemed bitter).

4. We know Mero was talking about how many families are torn apart by wrestling. And I can't help but think he brought that up because he is divorced.

5. Blackman was being respectful, Mero was being rude and wouldn't let Blackman finish a thought and even started verbally attacking Blackman.

It took me forever to figure out that was Marc Mero as I missed the opening. Blackman came across very well and Mero came across as a homosexual

Mero's black? He looks like some sort of mixed breed.

He also looks a fraction of his old size, and appears to have waxed his eye brows, my mother pointed that to out to me.

Blackman didnt abuse roids and drugs his whole career, where as Mero was probably a heavy drug user, and liked to shoot up those hormones.

Marc Mero has always looked like a faggot. He's a habitual cock sucker.

You must be watching a repeat because I posted the interview days and days ago. Here it is again for those of you who missed it.

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Mero looks like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, The Fonze addition."

I love Steve Blackman right now

Agreed

Dave Metzler is ugly.

I just saw the latest Nancy Grace with Fit Finlay v. Marc Mero. Finlay owned Mero and Grace. Every time Finlay answered their questions and allegation they completely switched their stories.

They brought up that list of the 104 wrestlers that died in the past 10 years and said they all died from drugs and steriods. Finlay asserted that only 3 died while under WWE contract, with one committing suicide, one dying in a tragic accident, and heart attack so they WWE Health and Wellness program had nothing to do with the rest of the deaths. Then you got guys on the list like Mike Awesome who commited suicide and John Tenta who had cancer. While that still an awfully big list...I submit that CNN and Time Warner killed the rest.

So has anyone who has spoken to the media mentioned that Mass Transit is on that list?
Seriously, I cannot take that 104 list seriously.


A lot of these deaths were not wrestling related. There are murders, the dude who died in the police raid, cancer..... and being Mass Transit.

I'd love to see Mass Transist's family go on the news and bitch about how wrestling killed his kid.

What is this Mass Transist stuff?

Also, most of the guys that died from drugs and steriod related heart attacks spent most of their careers in WCW, which at the same time was part of the CNN toward. So by Nancy Grace logic, it is her fault.

That's that underaged kid that got fucked up by New Jack in ECW, then later killed himslef at the age of 22.

Well Finlay was wrong with his statement as well. 2 died of heart attack while under contract

Rude, Perfect, Bulldog, Guerrero, Bossman, Hawk, Hercules, Bad News, Crash Holly (all drug/heart attack related, all spent decent time with WWE)

Sweet, it's on again. Mero just came on.

lol Mero is on again. Round 2

Marc Mero sounds like Tony Robbins

This show is a freakin' trainwreck. How does this bitch have her own show and why is she even on TV? HORRIBLE. Hey Nancy, you don't come across as "in your face" or "controversial" when you yell and cut people off. You're an uninformed, ignorant, disgraceful member of the media.

In a world full of stupid people and blood thirsty rag queens, this is the Queen.

No, I was wrong, I misquoted Finlay.

That is it is obivous she keeps changing her story when she is wrong, and she does it so blantently it is impossible to tell what she was ever saying to the point she just looks dumb.

I mean, there is a way to make your oppenent look dumb even when they have an air tight case, she has a way of making herself look stupid when the person she is debating has an argument full of holes.

God, this is almost unbearable. It's not like this is a local news outlet that decided to give this lady a show on their network...this is the largest media outlet in the world! If I worked for CNN I'd be embarrassed to be associated with her.

Yeah, that is what you get from Ted Turner.

Agreed. She just automatically has that crazed look in her eye before anyone even says anything, like just WAITING to argue for the sake of arguing. Her facial expressions just make you want to slap her.

I hate her. I hate her. I hate her.
She wouldn't let Finlay elaborate on his points.

It's like Ted sat down with Nancy and watched old footage of "The Morton Downey JR. Show" and said, "I want you to do this!"

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I loved the part when she started yealling at Finlay saying "Make your point." I would have marked out if Finlay jumped up and put her i the Celtic Knot then Hornswoggle would pop up from under the table and Finlay could throw him at Nancy. That would be awesome. It would prove a god damn thing, but it would be awesome.

While I was watching I was half expecting Hornswoggle to pop up in the coner of Finlays screen and just yell "SHADDUP!"

Whoever that one HIDEOUS looking chick is...I want her dead. She is hideous looking, sounds like Freddy Kreuger massaging a chalkboard, and is just as much of a bitch as Nancy Grace is. The one with black glasses and looks like she has bell's palsy.

Don't talk about J.R. like that. :'(

I'd rather fuck J.R. than this chick.

Bryan Alvarez COMPLETELY owned Finlay with a reply to one question.

The fact is, merely arguing who died under WWE contract is pointless.

That's like saying someone didn't die because of tobacco because they didn't smoke the day they died.

Plus how many guys did Vince let go because of drug problems?

What was the question Rob?

Not a question. Vince McMahon takes no responsibility for anyone who died who wasn't working for him at the time. And even then he still doesn't take any responsibility no matter how minor. If you don't discourage drug use even though it's illegal and some wrestler worked for you for 10 years dies a week after you release him, how does the company not take any responsibility.

And I can't believe people are still shilling this wellness program. It's a fucking shame. Benoit's toxicology reports are gonna come back and he is gonna be full of drugs and enlarged muscles like the heart for example. And they said more than once that he PASSED a drug test this year.

No, I'm saying what was the question Alvarez replied to? I didn't see the interview. But yea, I agree with what your saying. Vince turns a blind eye to his roster, especially the top tier stars.

Hang on, I'll get the quote...

not the exact quote but close enough. Reposted from the F4W board

Where is the baseball bat? I wanna take a swing at the WWE piñata too!

Cut and dry: Alvarez explained the Wellness program. Finlay said he didn't know what the hell he was talking about because he hasn't ever been in WWE. Alvarez then said he was reading it from the WWE's press releases on its wellness policy.

that's why I can't take any WWE contracted wrestler serious on these shows right now.

You want a link?

I can't take most of them seriously because they are talking out of their asses. All I know is that Chris Benoit probably did drugs and somehow he killed his wife,son, and himself in 3 days of horror. Bret and Jericho are the only ones who haven't come off with an agenda in this whole thing.

I don't think Lance Storm, Bryan Alvarez or Dave Meltzer have. Marc Mero might have an agenda but at least it's right.

yea, what's the link?

What show was Lance Storm on?

Outside the lines

Meltzer and Alvarez are constantly throwing out bullshit "reports" to make money. They are using this one chance to come off as legitimate journalists to make as much money for themselves as possible.

Marc Mero has a few good points, but he is doing it in such an obnoxious way that I can't stand the guy.

Bullshit. Prove this.

This shouldn't be a use against them mentally. This should be let's look at the businnes see how we can make things better so less people die in the future.

That's what this whole thing should be about. WWE shouldn't be taking such offense and a lot of media outlets shouldn't be placing the entire blame on WWE.

And also that's exactly what Meltzer has been saying this whole time. He has defended the WWE constantly on his website. He has said this shouldn't be an attack on Vince McMahon, because the problems didn't start with Vince.

However though WWE has to change if the entire industry is to change otherwise because no one else is going to.

If that means Congress has to come in... I'm all for it.

Nobody has put 100% on WWE at any point. The company, it's idiot staff and it's clueless mark fans think anyone who talks slightly negative in their direction is the spawn of Satan though.

I think Jericho could possibly have a hidden agenda.

Actually, when Garce was going over the list of dead wrestlers Finlay said that 85% of those wrestlers never worked for the WWE, but Grace came back and said, "But they were pro-wrestlers, right?"
So she's implying that WWE is the governing body of all pro-wrestling.

Plug his book?

Why do they make their newsletters? Do they do it for free? Since when has anybody considered a dirtsheet writer a legit journalist until now?

well Finlay's comment right there is moronic. 85%? LOL.

Or getting back into the WWE

:rofl:

He left WWE because he wanted to. WWE has asked him to come back, and he didn't because he didn't want to. WWE needs Jericho more than Jericho needs WWE.

Yes but if Jericho says even half the stuff that Mero or Konnan or saying he might burn a bridge with them.

Btw has anyone been able to find a clip of this segment with Finlay and everyone?

I've been looking but I can't find it.

I agree with the WWE guys, when you become a pro wrestler specifically for the WWE you know what your in for. You will get injured, you won't have much time to work out, you won't get to see your family, you will have to bust your ass. They make more than enough money to buy their own medical insurance, plus if they get injured in the ring then WWE will pay for it as Kennedy said. You can't blame WWE for what a single person or group of people do behind closed doors. Now you can have a drug testing policy of course, but just like any other job there are always ways to get around that.
If Chris Benoit was dopped up that is not WWE's faul, that is his fault and his doctors fault, being the one who prescribes them.

Chris Benoit should have known better, after all he recently went through the death of his best friend Eddie Guerrero, who felt the effect of drugs, and probably steroids. What more can the WWE do? Pro wrestlers are not children, they are grown men and women who have a sense of right and wrong for the most part. It is not WWE's responsibility to baby them and watch them like a crazy dictator. The media wants to bring McMahon down for some reason, a culmination of 30 plus years of controversy.

Benoit had been with his doctor for years, since he was in WCW. He probably got other guys to go to him as well so they could get their roids, uppers and downers easily. After all over 60 pro wrestlers used him as their doctor, now with him out of the way it could mean a turning point as to how the wrestlers handle their own personal and health problems.

I agree with you on everything except the 1st paragraph. Wrestlers need a union to fight for them to get decent benefits.

This is excatly it right here.

Wrestlers are grown men and what do grown men usually have? They have families, and good amount of them will do what they can to support them. Usually that means making money, and how do most most wrestlers make money in wrestling? By taking steriods so they can look good.

A lot of these wrestlers who have been dying were doing what they did to support familes. They were trying to make as much as they could for them or just themeselves. Anyone in any business would what it takes to make the most money in any profession, and in wrestling that's taking steriod so you can be as big as possible.

The wrestler's aren't going to change that way of thinking, because that way of thinking is human nature. The only way it's going change is if the people at top do something. If that's pushing guys soley based on talent, serious drug testing, or whatever. They should do it

It's the people at top of the wrestling industry who have to change first in order for the wrestlers to change.

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Pt. 2
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Thank you, NeanderCarl

:y:

Bret needs to get over it.

You mean 99% of TPWWers.

LOLz

Pt 3, short and nothing of note...

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You and Rob need to pull y'alls heads out of y'alls self-righteous asses and actually read some of the arguments besides going "ITS WWE'S RESPONSIBILITY! STUPID WWE MARK!"

WWE has a drug testing policy with punishments for failures. Yes, those punishments could be harsher but to basically imply that WWE is doing next to nothing is bullshit and you know it. Here is proof so you won't have to waste your time ranting about how I am another noob with no basis for my claims:

What more discouragement can WWE do than say "If we catch you doing this shit, you will be punished." Also Rob, is it possible he was clean when he took the test and then has taken something since then?! HOLY SHIT! IMPOSSIBLE

Are you actually so jaded to actually believe WWE has done NOTHING to prevent these situations from happening. The Wellness Policy has shown results. What the fuck more do you want? Just because HHH hasn't ever failed a test and been fired??

Obviously, WWE doesn't have a drug policy! Of course I do want to hear where the "encouraged steroid abuse" from 2000 came from. Did it come from your ego trying to win an argument or did you just pull it out of your ass like you usually do.

WWE indirectly encourages steroid use by rewarding the most muscular guys with pushes, whether warranted or not. Look at the clueless Chris Masters' continued exposure on WWE TV.

However, even the most hardened McMahon-bashers have always denied that WWE ever suggested or pushed steroids onto them.

That's right... even the most anti-McMahon wrestlers out there all confess that WWE never actively encouraged steroid use, even in the 80s.

Look at Chris Masters when it comes to seriouness of the WWE and it's wellness policy.

Before the testing Chris Masters was being pused very hard. A few months after the Test was implenmented he failed was taken off the road and TV for a number of days and probably even months ( I can't remember the exact time frame).

He returns to TV noticeably smaller, and upon his return he starts to lose a lot of his matches. Which he really didn't lose that much of before, and his push was almost gone. He was even made fun off regualary on National TV because of how much smaller he was. HHH on TV said something to the affect of "What are you going to talk about? How to lose 50 pounds in a month."

Then a little while after that Chris Masters started getting bigger again, and guess what he started winning matches and was starting to get pushed again.

The WWE made a great stride when it implemented the Wellness policy and they have done stuff to try improve.

And creating another policy that doesn't have to be taken off the corporate website would be a great way to improve.

Of course you have to mention Masters as I am typing out my post.

Bastard :foc:

Chris Masters got caught by the drug test and payed the price. He is on TV, but he is a glorified jobber ever since he failed that test. Also, he lost an insane amount of body mass and hasn't gotten back to Mini-Steiner physique since (even though he has gained back body mass).