So, Codebreaker... Yay or Nay? (RAW Spoilers)
 

So Jericho debuted his new move tonight, The Codebreaker. Not sure if it has a technical name, but for those who didn't see it, think of it like a Backcraker only with the knees to the face.

So... Yay, nay, eh or Loose Cannon?

Yay to the name, but the move is kinda ehh

Name isn't bad

NAh the name fits

by the fact that is simply a facecracker....i say yay because its like when carlito started doing the backstabber (backcracker) its something no one has done in the WWE to my knowledge

edit: oh and i know im not a member but K4L!

eh, i would like to see him bring back the original liontamer.

IT IS COOL NOT TO LIKE THINGS THAT ARE POPULAR WITH THE MAINSTREAM SO ZOMGGGGGGGG NO IT'S SHIT

I would prefer him to use the original Liontamer, but I'm fine with the Codebreaker. The name is pretty catchy and it's a good "out of nowhere" move(which I prefer), so I'm kind of digging it.

BDC, you have no credibility because you hate everything. Everything is the entire free world is hated by you. I'm not saying that you are incorrect in this particular instance but try smelling some flowers or something.

To me, it seems like it would be more of a setup type move for something else but that isn't to say that it can't be built up to be massive on its own. It's kinda cool because it's a move that can come out of nowewhere practically. Also, it looks as if it wouldn't be too difficult to pull off coming off of the second turnbuckle or off of a springboard.

I voted Loose Cannon. The ballet was confusing.

It's . . . not bad. A good quick move that I buy as pretty easily able to knock a guy out for a three count. I'd like to have it become his back-up finisher if they don't want to end with a Liontamer, not just a replacement. (I'm not sure what they intend so far. That might possibly be exactly what they'll do.)

Well, I guess only time will tell if Y2J lives up to the hype. He's only been back for two weeks so far. I don't think he's been bad by any means but everyone is entitled to an opinion. As for the codebreaker, I approve.

I disagree with the 'forever in the midcard' thing. Albeit, he's a bit small but so was Eddie and so was Benoit. He's got the charisma, mic skills, in-ring skills and experience to be a pretty heavy force in the midcard for at least a couple years. At the very least, he's better than Orton.

Codebreaker was good, like everyone else though, want to see the Liontamer come out.

Meh, I've honestly been a Jericho fan since the WCW days, but to an extent I agree with BDC. I love Jericho, but I can't be ignorant to the fact that his coming was a bit gay, and this week not only was he a bit stale on the mic...but the crowd was giving him the John Cena treatment. He reminds me of Christian when he went to TNA...great to see, but just didn't really try anymore or maybe was trying too hard.

As for HBK, yea...anyone who argues that HBK isn't that great is just doing it to get BDC and a few others to stop riding the Kliques dicks every post (seriously, gimmick or not, it's getting old to hear). However, as good as HBK is, he's been in the title scene since last year and has lost every title match (and yes he didn't lose at CS, but I see no belt around his waist so it doesn't seem to matter). At this point, the lost of momentum has kind of gotten me bored of him...and probably some others around here as well.

I think with Jericho, we were looking for something fresh and different, and as much as he's been off his game, we seek it too hard and thus why we ride Jericho. However, with HBK used up, and the fact that HHH could tear a quad again for all I care, the klique isn't helping much anymore either.

I like the move, but we'll see how it works as a finisher. If he can pull it out of nowhere, it'll be good (ala RKO, Sweet chin music). My only concern is him botching it, as it's a move that could easily looked fucked up if the timing is off.

Also, I'd like to point out that Jerichio has been watching Marufuji wrestle ;)

I'd take Codebreaker Y2J over Cena, HHH, Orton, Batista, or Undertaker any damn day of the year.

You motherfuckers will never be happy

I dig it.

Loose Cannon
While the move looks cool and the name fits I wanted to see a Lionsault or The Walls of Jericho.

I dig it. It seems like it would be a secondary finisher at best. You know, good for coming out of nowhere and can put a guy away, but is used more for a set up to something bigger.

I like it

I like it but he should use it to set up the Liontamer

Wow, I’ve used that!!!

Sweet!

And there’s a sweet set up he can do, set the opponent up like they crotched on the 2nd rope, like when Goldust gave people a kick to the nuts.

Then run at them. Full on knees, like an E Express and then drop into the code breaker, it looks savage

I like the move, and it can be set up in a bunch of ways.

Like he could go for a monkey flip from a corner, the guy hold onto the ropes, so Jericho jumps off the guys thighs and falls back with the hands behind his head, bamb!

Can reverse that out of a powerbomb, Bamb!

Just a good flash move, I likes it I do

yeah, that's a good way of putting it: a flash move.

Nobody ever sees it coming.

Thought Jericho was pretty awesome this week personally, looked good in the ring, good on the mic and although he should have given it to Orton to cost him the match against Flair, thought it looked pretty good. It's certainly better than the fucking (makes me) go to sleep.

Yeah, because wrestling was saved by HBK. Look, I don't know what you expect of Jericho. The crowds these days are shitty...full stop. They don't pop for anyone, really. The only people who really attend these days are marks (smarks kind of died off, as you can hear by the more favourable reactions Cena was getting), and the last time marks saw Jericho, he was a heel feuding with their hero. It'll take some time before some people warm up to him.

I'd much rather see Jericho do the stuff that got him his reputation in the first place. Sure, let's bring him back with a Bomberman gimmick. That'd fix him.

Jericho never got lazy. Granted, 2002 was not his best year, but no one on RAW was stellar at that time. He then got a lot more interesting, and although somewhat forgotten in the scheme of things, he can't really be considered lazy. There were a lot of great matches he was a part of. It's also rich you calling someone lazy. Aren't we talking about the biggest Kevin Nash fan in the world here?

Also, I'm fairly certain it was you who pointed out that the ratings of a show the week someone returns isn't a good indication of how effective their return actually is. You need to see if more people tune in next week, after hearing about it. Wait until the ratings come out the same this week as last week before you start bitching about him doing nothing. Follow your own fucking advice.

As far as the move goes? I like it. Nowhere near epic enough to replace the Walls of Jericho, but I like the idea of adding it as a third finishing move alongside the Walls and the Lionsault. Stevie Richards has actually been using the move as part of his repertoire. I guess we won't see anymore of that. Although it would be sweet to have Stevie show up, claiming Jericho stole his move, and then have Jericho take Stevie under his wing, Ralphus style.

The move will be a great "out of nowhere" move, like the Stone Cold Stunner. The idea of Jericho performing a flying or springboard variant of the move also gets me wet. Hopefully this doesn't turn out to be another "Breakdown." Remember that?

I'd love to see Jericho hit the Codebreaker, then the Lionsault, followed by locking in the Walls of Jericho. That series would be pretty badass.

The crowd was truly awful from what I could see. Even Hardy and Flair the second time didn't get any sort of reaction. I don't recall any wrestler getting any heat either.

Tards.

Yeah, that crowd definitely sucked the life out of the show.

Crowds these days really just generally suck. I'm not even sure the WWE could trust Toronto to liven things up.

I truly believe that the WWE has forced out passionate fans, and replaced them with "casual fans." You know, the people who won't be watching when they grow out of their John Cena T-shirt.

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna go with Yay here. I like it. As said, it can come out of nowhere.

That being said I hope he doesn't abandon the Lionsault and Walls of Jericho</font>

I havent seen this move being done yet, but is this move like the one Gregory Helms performs [performed?]

God, isn't this the truth

God, isn't this the truth

And Alienoid, you should be a Mod. Seriously, not because i agree with you, but you are NOT biased. Like you said, wtf do you expect from the guy? His comeback was the most anticipated in recent years, he is good on the mic, good in the ring, can work the crowd....but THAT is the problem. The crowds DO suck. Not all of them, but many of them do. I was soooo disappointed in the Charlotte fans (since im from NC). If i were at a RAW show, i would have a great ass fucking time, drink beer, and yell or boo at the top of my lungs for just about everybody on that roster. And i don't want to hear that "oh, its not the fans fault, its just not good TV." Ok, then don't pay your hard earned money to attend it if it's so whack. These casuals do not understand the shit that these wrestlers have to go through, man.

But Jericho definitely has got the goods to become a main-eventer now. The problem is that, and i see it coming, Jericho is going to be shoved down our throats because there is NOBODY ELSE stepping up except for Santino, Jeff Hardy, and a couple of others. Not to mention that Carlito is out the door soon, which was a HUGE mistake for the WWE. I really do want Jericho and Santino to fued one day. Their promo last night was god damn classic. If it wasn't for that whack ass crowd, that promo could have had sooooooo much more feeling.

Oh yea, the move. I like it. It could be a finisher, but i'd rather have to ORIGINAL Liontamer. That "field goal" kick to the stomach thing was pretty cool too tbh. I can't believe people have the nerve to bash Jericho when there is NOBODY there that could match him, overall, on that current roster. HBK, in-ring, yes, but you can tell he will be gone probably in a year. Like i said before, and i'll say it again, if Jericho was not shafted back in late 2001-early 2002 and had a respectable title run (and even had an angle going where he kept the title in 2000), then he would be WAY bigger than he is now. Lazy? I wouldn't call it that, i'd call it fed the fuck up. Why do people always label someone as "lazy" when they've either been treated like shit or not booked right? (CARLITO)

In that case, everything in wrestling should get the nod. :roll:

Another made-up argument by Narcissus. :lol:


That's kind of a chicken-and-egg-argument though, init?

On the topic of Jericho's new move, I'm glad to see that Malibu Stacy has a new hat.

Someone give me video!

And another hipocracy by KK. Honestly friend, if you're going to make a claim that nothing that I say has any substance it would probably be a good idea to stop doing the same thing. All you ever do is blame people for doing the same things you do yourself, only you do them more so and without finesse. It's a shame that you have so many posts and about 90% of them are quick, terrible, unsubstantial one liners that ultimately fail in their objective to cover up your unintelligence and lack of logic.

Oh, right. My bad.

I'm gonna wait and see the real ratings before I start saying they were weak, but yes. with them hyping a return "Next Week," the ratings should have already been impacted.

I love these arguments.

Narcissus: Something ambiguous!

KK: What you're saying is ambiguous!

Narcissus: Ambiguous statement about you pointing out the ambiguity of my statement!

I'm gonna say yay, but a different name maybe, Y2Jacked Yo Face or something stupid, code breaker is just pathetic

Narc, that's not what I said. Why do you feel so compelled to make up others' arguments for them? Are you simply not smart enough to actually understand what's being said, so you try and fill in the blanks?

My point was more that it was specifically that they had kind of, you know, removed all doubt. At this point, it's pretty much impossible to dub it a "surprise," since there's no real doubt in "Next Week." Especially when King parrots it.

KK, let's get real. That's all you ever do. Somebody says something that hurts you, you make believe that it didn't count because the person saying it is a moron or something, they continue to hurt you, you say something like "Nice one" or whatever else, and the cycle continues forever.

I think you boys are forgetting that nobody likes wresling anymore...I think the ratings went up in the last segment of Raw last week as much as anyone with two brain cells to rub together could have expected.

Jericho being back is awesome, becasue he is awesome. Will he improve the ratings, probably not. Will anything improve the ratings...probably not

The new finisher was pretty good.

I rarely every say something like "nice one."

You're just making up my argument again.

Honestly, why do you do it? You really do seem quick to make claims of what people do when they don't, put words in their mouths, etc. In the process, you tend to show off how little you comprehend.

I wasn't using what you were saying word for word. It was simply an example of how you blow people off when they are clearly shining when in comparison to you. My apologies for assuming that you would be able to figure that out, it won't happen again. I've put no words in your mouth whatsoever nor have I claimed you do things that you don't do. My first statement was ridiculing you for making my statements seem empty and without substance while you do the same things yourself. If that isn't what you were trying to say then that is clearly your fault because it came out that way. Learn to express yourself a little better. Not that I don't expect terrible social skills from a guy that has over 100k posts on a wrestling message board, but at least TRY to break the stereotype for your sake.

I like that the immediate response to having one's baseless generalizations called out is to make more baseless generalizations.

ALL BDC DOES IS HATE

AND ALL KK DOES IS CRY, BE SNIDE AND GAIN WEIGHT

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Also, Narc's having to take whole paragraphs to respond to KK's one lines and handfuls of assholery. If you can't get your point across without writing a short play, wouldn't you have trouble expressing yourself?

"You can't understand me and it's your fault."

"If I can't understand you, it's also your fault."

I'm failing to see how me getting my points across in a rational, thought provoking manner is an indication that I have trouble expressing myself. Interesting hypothesis though.

Critic's basically made my argument for me. Making my response even shorter than I needed it to be.

Two different scenarios. You can take things out of context if you'd like if that's what you need to do. Not a problem. The difference is that I have no problems getting my point across.

Thought provoking? Isn't that a little egotistical?

Or does not being KK somehow make you incapable of being an egotistical prick?

Really, I'm not sure your "No, you did it" style of repeating yourself can be defined as "rational," either. I don't know what it is with you people and burden of proof, but generally, you need to find sources and evidence before making crazy claims... especially when there's evidence to the contrary in the same goddamn thread. Prime example:

Did KK blow you off earlier?

Or did he point out that you were making a baseless and rather wild generalization without going into a fucking novel?

I saw the latter, but then again, it was pretty fucking obvious. I don't know, maybe you're going into the Alienoid flavor of emotional attachment blinding you to the inherant point, but holy shit! He did actually have a point in there. Instead of realizing that an active and sensical criticism was being indicated by that snide remark, though, all you saw was "OMG KK IS MAKING FUN OF MEEEE."

But y'know. Terrible social skills and all that other bullshit.

The only "rational, thought provoking" points I see here involve you flailing to grab KK's E-Balls, because God only knows you can't defend the fact that you did make a wild, baseless statement, followed by another, followed by a-fucking-nother.

Yeah, two different scenarios.

One statement typed by you, one statement typed by KK. Misinterpretation from either side somehow falls squarely on his shoulders in both instances, and there's no human possible fucking way that any misinterpretation could possibly be your fucking fault because...

...why, again? Oh, right. You said so. Your social skills are infalliable, and your points are thought provoking.

I think you may be on to something, there.

More to the point, you addressed what I said without making up some completely unrelated nonsense to do so.

The fact that you bolded your text makes you right. Listen, I never claimed to be or not be anything. I am myself all the time. If you find me to be a tad on the egotistical side then that's your judgement to make. Yes, when I argue with KK or anybody I find myself to be right in all instances. Irrational it may seem to you but why in the fuck would I say it if I didn't think I was right? If you go into arguements knowing that you're wrong but still trying to convince the masses that you are correct then that is entirely your deal but I don't do business that way. Anyway, by your standards I shouldn't even be taking this post seriously due to the fact that you most likely have trouble expressing yourself since you made such a long post. Or does that only apply to me? Guess I'm not the only one that contradicts myself, eh?

I like it

Wow. fucking run-on.

By the way, I get that you think you're right. I get that you think your argument is legit. The fact is, you're wrong. You made a blatantly false accusation against BDC, and when someone called you on making up said argument, you responded with more blatantly incorrect and generalised statements.

Or, in a shorter form, you're an idiot who's ranting because he wasn't smart enough to understand the cricicism levied against him. Can you dedicate a novel to that?

I accused BDC of nothing. I gave him my opinion. In my view, almost everything that comes out of his mouth is negative. I could find some evidence to support my case if I thought that it would help. However; you seem to be a bit too stubborn to admit that personal opinions and accusations are two completely different things.

On a side note: If you would like to keep argueing I'll argue all day.

Oh God. You're actually playing the opinion card on this one. How droll. Not only ridiculous given what you actually said, but in no way changes the fact that your argument against me in response was utter bullshit.

See, the funny things about opinions KK is that everybody has one. Whether or not you actually labeled it as an opinion, you've already stated yours. Thus playing the opinion card.

My opinion: You over dramatisize everything to try to make the person that you're talking to sound crazy because you have trouble defending yourself otherwise.

Your opinion: That I make wild accusations and come up with bullshit excuses to back them up.

It is very unlikely that we'll prove each other right... But as long as you want to keep going, I'm game.

...Are you making fun of me for using emphasis? After bitching about communication problems?

You claimed rather outright that your points are thought provoking. How is that a judgement call? How is that not egotistical? You're trying to dodge the fact that I called your bullshit by being profound, and it's coming off as... well, dodgy.



But then when ample evidence to the contrary arises, you adamantly stick to your guns and refuse to see any other side of the story. If someone points out that you're wrong, and you can't refute it, don't immediately try and demean their person as a retort. If you make a mistake, man the fuck up to it... and seeing as you're going on a big rant about how you think that you personally are right, I'm going to go ahead and guess that you're having some doubts.

I want you to reflect for a moment. I want you to look, long and hard. I want you to realize how many massive run-ons it takes you to express one point. Now realize that when I type alot, I'm actually making multiple, smaller points. Do you see that? Okay, good. Wit does not become you. Stop trying to attempt it.

Please, don't do this. I really don't want to resort to defaming your intelligence, but this is outright ridiculous. Your exact words--and I quote, because that's how I do business--were as follows:

Congratulations, that is not actually an opinion. That's a statement as if it were fact. If you want to keep trying to pretend that it's an opinion, by all means. You're either desperate to win, or you're completely fucking clueless as to what defines an opinion. It's amply evident that you're talking out of your ass now, and trying to sound detached while clinging to any hope of being in the right. You're making every point count to try and justify yourself. It's more than evident that you have nothing left in the deck, and just don't want to admit that your bullshit has been called, and repeatedly.

Goodnight, everybody.

Did I come out and say that everybody in the world thinks that BDC hates everything? No, I did not. I do not find it necessary to label everything as an opinion or a fact because I didn't think that the debate would ever come up. I am under the impression that I can be held accountable for everything I say because unless I am quoting a direct source or unless I am giving evidence to prove something, everything I say is simply an opinion. It was an exageration to make a point.

Point: Of course he doesn't like it because in my experience he is very negative about most everything he talks about on these boards. Whichs leads me to judge him and form an OPINION.

Do I really believe that BDC hates everything in the entire world? Of course I don't. But feel free to overanalyze.

No, it was a literary technique. I don't expect you to understand anything past the learning level of a 6th grader though so I'm not offended by your incompetence.

Eh, I don't hate the man. I think he's good for business for the most part. His return could've been more spectactular but it also could've really sucked so I'm happy. Just happy to have the guy back whether he's in the main event or whether he's in the midcard.

So.....that CodeBreaker move was pretty sweet.

Probably on RAW. But surely he is good enough for the Smackdown main event scene.

For those of you that didn't see it... it's around the 3:50 mark.

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It’s a blatant rip-off of the backcracker, just like Xero said, only with knees to the face instead of the back/spine, so therefore, I voted Nay. Hopefully he’ll at least be allowed to still use the Walls of Jericho. I mean, it’d be pretty stupid considering it’s just one of many moves that the fans of his know so well.

Nice.

It's certainly no Walls of Jericho or Lionsault, but it's still a pretty nice move. Santino sold it really nicely as well.

If only Rock or Scott Hall were around, they could sell that like the stunner!

HHH sold the best stunner ever

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Basically, you're trying to back out of an argument in the least intelligent way possible. Not only doing that, but you've still really not addressed that you had the wrong fucking argument in mind the whole time (Making mine up for me), and making yourself a hypocrite for essentially demeaning my opinion, that which you falsely accused me of doing. Good job.

Oh for fuck's sake.

:lol: The irony burns.

Fixed.

LOL. This is coming from the guy who thought the videos meant nothing at all, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Where are these people going to come from, though? I'm not saying the ratings are going to be huge with Jericho, but I'm just asking, what can you realistically expect? If 3.5 million people watch RAW one week, 3.5 million people know about what happened. Sure, word spreads, but you can't that number to perform mitosis on the week of a guy's debut. The crowd has to come from somewhere. Jericho is more likely to entice people flicking over to come back, and he might gradually get some older viewers back.

The whole "saving" thing is from a storyline perspective, anyway. As far as smarks literally hailing him as the saviour of the WWE, well that is more a quality perspective than one referring to wrestling's image within mainstream society. How many times do people need to say that Jericho is just a damn fine wrestler and damn entertaining personality that is exciting to watch on RAW? People were never really expecting massive changes, just at least one segment a week that is worth watching, and thus far Jericho has done that.

It's funny that KK's arguments are pretty much the same. He says something with no substance to it. Like "Are you stupid, or is your mother just on crack?" You know, something that doesn't even contain an ounce of wit, and just furthers his image of a wannabe Dr. Cox without the chiseled body. There is no point in there, and you ask him what the fuck his point is, and he dances around it. "Boy, you are special!" That's not exactly making an argument.

Also, KK is king of the straw-man argument. He's done it here with Narc (without actually responding to Narc's points, just saying he makes stuff up), he did it with CM Punk getting chanted over DX and The Hardys (I still don't even know how he could be stupid enough to argue against this...it happened), and there's his "Paul Burchill's Armbar" thing which completely misses the point. They're not it, but they're my personal favourites.

:lol:

:rofl: The irony here is brilliant.

First you make fun of him for his sentence structure (I assume, or else you are using poetic licence, and that itself would be ironic, considering you tore into Narc for using that in his original post). Whenever someone tries that against you, I'm pretty sure you belittle them for going to such desperate means of attack.

I can't be the only one who thinks that you guys getting your period over Narc's original post is damn idiotic? Everyone on hear makes those kind of assumptions with people. For example, Tovo is going to say something cockish, I'm going to praise Val Venis, KK is going to say something sarcastic without nearly as much substance to it as he thinks. BDC pretty much does act like he hates everything that isn't Kliq in wrestling, and I think he would be the first to admit that.

Yeah, he exagerrated. Heaven forbid anyone ever use hyperbole. God knows KK has never done it in his life, have you, KK? Honestly, calling him out for "made up arguments" is just short-bus stuff.