So can we all agree that Jericho return sucks?
 

Don't hate the player

Its not his fault that wrestling is in the state that it is in...I will say its left a little to be desired though.

How long do they say that Rome was built in...?

it was poorly put together. You would think with all those video packages, he would come back and be the Sting of 97, but it's been shit. He gets put in mid card matches, his promos are decent, but nothing special and he's not even getting that big of pops as he should be. I don't know, he's nothing then your average upper mid card guy right now. He's showed he can be tremendous on the mic in the past, but i have yet to see it. Santino's promo against him was 10x better that Raw.

so to some it up, it's been very lackluster thus far.

WWE didn't even show his entrance for his match last night. Fucking ridiculous.

WWE didn't even show his entrance for his match last night. Fucking ridiculous.

They did over here, then the adverts came on.

As for the question, im enjoying it.

You're a fuckin idiot. We get it, you're trying your hardest to be funny and you just really aren't. Another thread? Suck my dick and you can *bdca* mushroom stamp of approval that

uh oh, I better be fuckin terrified because you're in the kliq

get laid

Jerimark

I just can't say it altogether sucked. I don't think it did, and I don't think we will be able to tell for sure until he's been around a while and we see what he's done.

Well said jeritron.

Yeah, he shouldn't be held accountable for stinking up the ring, because it's everyone else's fault.

Another thing I've been meaning to say, which I'm suprised you don't know as huge wrestling fans is that "the kliq" doesn't refer to that group of guys.

That would be "the clique".

"The Kliq" is the spelling and usage dedicated to Shawn Michaels fans in 1996, which consisted of horny teenage girls with too much hair spray, and little gay faggots with leather conductor hats and clip on earings (including Bret Harts sons)

semantics

Speaking of Kennedy, yeh, he really seems to be heading in the wrong direction lately and I'm starting to get sick of him.

I think they're still figuring out how to work with Jericho, as a character that has been away for two years, whether he needs to be as egotistical as before or more focused in the ring, or what. He's been moving around just fine and I think he's fully capable of going out and having 10 star matches. His entrance is still one of the best (though I think the additional pyro may be over-doing it). I think rushing into a program with Orton isn't the best choice, but also really the only choice due to the way the brought about his comeback. I'm gonna give it some time, but I'd still prefer Raw is Jericho to Raw is Cena.

Yeah that promo Monday was weak.

I'd agree but OMFG ITS JERICHO!!!!! *drool*

Probably one of those "This looks good on the script" things. Or just normal WWE booking, who knows?

I guess I walked away before his entrance. When I came back it was commercials, and then his match.

Still though. You cut to commercial during a Women's Title match; not the second coming's match.

My point remains. It's only been a couple of weeks and it took months before Y2J hit his peak during his first run in the company.

Give the guy a break. He's coming back to a stale product, having been out of the ring for two years and having to live up to a hell of a lot of hype.

There's no one person you can pin the blame on. I think everybody should share some accountability. Yeh, there is no Rock, Austin, etc...that doesn't mean everybody shrugs there shoulders and says "Well what now?" Somebody needs to step up and be that next Rock or Austin that sparks things. It could be Jericho. But just because it hasn't been him in the big two weeks he's been back, I don't think we should crucify him for it just yet.

Wrestling sucks, I dont see how Jericho stands out anymore than anyone else, other than he was over hyped, other than that, he's no worse than a HHH or such.

But we can admit he's stinking up the joint? RIGHT? Cause you know, he is.

Your sad face legitimately melted my heard BDC. I'm sorry. You don't have to suck my dick or stamp of approval it. I'll let you off the hook with a handjob

So, I know I'm gonna get hated on by a thousand TNA/ROH/cruiser marks but honestly, one of the big problems I'm seeing with Jericho after his return is his size and lack of muscle mass. It is just hard to see the guy as a real threat. IMO, he could stand to gain 15-20 lbs. Not saying he's terrible the way he is but probably not main event status.

It's not about not being the next ROck or Austin. His matches have BLOWN. His promops have been worse. Satino worked a better match last Monday than Jericho did. I mean fuck, once Santino carries you threw a match (and a promo) you know your shit aint together.

Yeh but we can't definitively say "he sucks" because he hasn't made us all mark out like little bitches about anything in the two weeks he's been back. He hasn't had enough time to un-stink the joint.

He's also been out of wrestling for years, I wouldn't expect him to come back putting on 5 star classics, or cutting uber mark-out promos.

A lot of it is just ring rust that he'll wear off in the coming monthes, but as of right now he's damn hard to watch. When someone asks me what I think up until this point the answer is it's been shit.

He'll get better, but right now good lord is it hard to sit through.

I think it'll start to "click" for him in the coming weeks...

If it doesn't then I'll say he's stinking up the joint.

He's BEEN stinking up the joint, present and past tense. I am however confident he will improve drastically once he gets back into the swing.

Yeh but wrestling just stinks, period, right now. This time next month if he hasn't done a damn thing better than he's doing right now, then I think its fair to nail him for it.

If they brought Monty Brown back and pushed him to the moon that would save wrestling.

Because at least their return was somewhat unpredictable. (Albeit it had a brief build up w/ The Swog on the phone)

It wasn't MONTHS and MONTHS of save_us.APA

Maybe because it was unexpected. We had weeks knowing that Jericho was coming back and built up this idolised, and unachievable, misconception that once he came back, it would all be alright again,.

all wrestling needs is a well put together 6 month storyline with twists and turns and progression. a stoyryline that involves most of the main guys in the company. it's not that hard and believe it or not, it has been done before.

Wrestling stinking doesn't excuse Jericho haveing bad matces/promos. It's a bullshit argument.

If wrestling sucks he should standind as the shinig gem of the product by comparison.

But he sucks worse.

But it is hard to look good when nobody else around you does either. Not saying he even does look good right now, but he sure doesn't have any help either. It takes two to work a match, and an interesting storyline to cut a promo. He's had neither.

FINE. TWO FUCKING WEEKS INTO HIS RETURN HE SUCKS.

THERE. I SAID IT.

Bro Ric Flair could cut a promo on a broom and then work it to a 5 star match. Period.


On a side note I once saw a guy wrestle a broom at a show I worked on and honstely he stole the show.

Yeh but how many people are RIC FLAIR!?!

THAT is a bullshit argument!

MVP has also been actively wrestling for...

Forget it. Nevermind.

Why do you feel it neccesary to try to take the piss out of something that people have been waiting every waking moment for for two years? It is apparent by your survey that the majority disagrees with you.

Nah compare everything to the top of the bar.

But if everything is compared to the top of the bar then nothing is ever any good.

Nah, things are rarely great. They can still be good.

Something Dreamer/Raven like where a lot of people are connected to the storyline.

It isn't that. You already have 1 or 2 threads about how Jericho sucks. How many do you really need to get your point across. We understand that you are not in favor of Jericho's return. Good for you. I applaud you. Now shut up.

I can pretty much agree with that. Though personally, I would put a few more >'s in front of Carlito.

Flair/HBK > MVP > Monty Brown > Chris Jericho > Most everything else > Kennedy > Sand in your eyes > Swift kick in the groin > Teddy Hart > Carlito

Rofl, no. Liger, Hart, Booker. Best matches of Benoits life. The MVP trilogy was good, but shit. Overhyped much?

:shifty:

Nice list

You've never seen the best of 7 Booker/Benoit had in WCW? That shit is legendary.

Liger and Booker are interchangeable.

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Flair/HBK > Vader >Jushin Liger > MVP > Monty Brown > Chris Jericho > Most everything else > Sand in your eyes > Swift kick in the groin > Kennedy > Teddy Hart > Carlito

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YEAH

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Some of the best stuff ever, IMO.

HBK/Flair > Taz > Doesn't matter after Taz.

I'm really reticent to comment on this, because no doubt someone will try and simply peg me as wanting Jericho to fail, despite statements to the contrary.

But yeah, It's seemed pretty lackluster from the beginning, and it's already getting weaker. I was more interested in Jericho last week, and I don't care who you are, a slow start only works as an argument if things get better. Really, the high point so far has been his return, and even that seemed lackluster.

I'm a HUGE Jericho mark! Have been since 1998 with him in WCW. Only man who I've owned 2 t-shirts for and even have been considering to buy the Save_Us.222 shirt. Can't say there is anyone I like more than him...but his return is lack lustered. :-\

It was driving to school today that I actually thought about this a little, and how much it annoys me that everyone has been taking the piss out of him since the return. I tried to think of a way to argue it out in my head...but couldn't. Most naysayers have been right about Jericho, but can't say he hasn't been trying.

His return to wrestling reminds me of Christian's coming to TNA. They came in trying too hard to be top dog, and looked quite dull and boring in the process. However, after awhile he got back on track and pretty much is back on the ball. I think that will be the same for Jericho, where he will eventually find his groove. As said by others, people like Ric Flair (and Shawn Michaels) are rare...can't really be compaired to that level. They have natural charisma, and while Jericho has some himself, a great deal of his mic skills I think is self trained and he'll probably have to start picking up on what the fans want to see before he changed the current path.

Also I have to blame WWE too for right now as well. Even before his return, people on this forum have been stating that a return right to the main event is stupid and I agree. Could have placed him in so many spots besides the World Championship. One for instance is Regal, current GM of Raw and long time nemesis of Chris Jericho. Restarting that feud could have been gold, and the whole save_us.222 thing could have been saving WWE from corporate or something. Or there is a number of people coming up like Morella who he could have had a program with. He didn't need to be rushed to the top...Jeff could have easily been plugged in there (I don't see him winning the title any time soon anyway, but the feud may have been nice for something before the Rumble).

I am enjoying his return.

Gotta agree with LC. After the huge build-up, his return has failed to grab the fans - that's gotta be WWE's fault. I still think it may turn into something good (or maybe I'm being too optimistic).

For me, it's not "Yay" or "Nay" (yet) so it has to be LC.