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BigDaddyCool 12-13-2007 12:32 PM

Which system should I get
 
Hold on, poll coming

Also, tell me why.

BigDaddyCool 12-13-2007 12:33 PM

BTW, I'm strongly leaning towards X-Box. I've played the Wii, and it is ok.

Xero 12-13-2007 01:46 PM

360 is superior at this point.

Disturbed316 12-13-2007 01:55 PM

360 all the way

Sepholio 12-13-2007 01:58 PM

PS3, better in the long run. 360 if you are in it for medium term.

D Mac 12-13-2007 01:58 PM

LOL PS3 shouldn't even be a consideration.

Sepholio 12-13-2007 01:59 PM

Lol don't tell me this forum is populated by a bunch of 360 fanboys.

D Mac 12-13-2007 02:00 PM

No just smart buyers.

Sepholio 12-13-2007 02:03 PM

What part of RROD = smart buy?

360 has more games. That's it. For now anyways.

Xero 12-13-2007 02:32 PM

360 gets the superior multi-platform games as well.

Really, at this point it almost doesn't matter which you get since there's only going to be two or three series/games worth playing which are console exclusive. Everything else is going to be multi-platform.

But again, at this point the 360 is getting the superior ports. So unless you REALLY need Final Fantasy or Metal Gear (both of which have a fair probability of being ported ANYWAY), or you REALLY need a Blu-Ray player, 360 is the way to go.

KingofOldSchool 12-13-2007 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 1964438)
What part of RROD = smart buy?

360 has more games. That's it. For now anyways.

Yeah cause 100% of 360 owners have gotten the RROD.

And 360 has more games and better games.

After all, isn't that what gaming consoles are about? You know, good games?

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 1964432)
Lol don't tell me this forum is populated by a bunch of 360 fanboys.

No, just not retarded.

360: Better games, they've basically won this generation in terms of software already. The PS3 will get a few exclusives, but they've lost a lot of their staples and are losing more. Unless you have a hardon for expensive units, BDC, or really need a Blu Ray Player, you're probably better off with an XBox, RROD or not.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 1964509)
Yeah cause 100% of 360 owners have gotten the RROD.

To be fair, the RROD is a real problem.

But so was the PS2's DRE issue, and that didn't make it any less the best system of last generation. In short, Seph is a moron.

D Mac 12-13-2007 03:58 PM

RROD?

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 04:05 PM

red rings of death. I know 3 people who own Xbox 360a and all have had the problem and have had to ship it to microsoft for 4 weeks to get it fixed. When my friend steve got his back it was still a lil screwey in that it wont read all 360 discs and sometimes you have have to eject/replace the disc over a dozen times to get it to work.

BigDaddyCool 12-13-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Mac (Post 1964619)
RROD?

Red Ring of Death. It is just like but Blue Screen of Death on computers. Something to do with over heating.

D Mac 12-13-2007 04:06 PM

I bought mine over 2 years ago and have had no problem.

BigDaddyCool 12-13-2007 04:08 PM

Do brand new units still have the red ring of death? Or have they fixed the glitch?

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 1964643)
Do brand new units still have the red ring of death? Or have they fixed the glitch?

Newer units feature cooler chips, better heat sinks, and thermal paste that doesn't melt or fry or whatever with time. Some will probably still RROD, but for the most part, they shouldn't.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Mac (Post 1964639)
I bought mine over 2 years ago and have had no problem.

Well, crisis averted.

Y2Ant 12-13-2007 04:42 PM

Got mine in July and haven't had one yet, touch wood :o

Bad Company 12-13-2007 04:45 PM

Get the 360, just make sure you try to find a new one with the 65nm Core processor, it runs cooler at load than the old one ran at idle, and thanks to that and slightly upgraded cooling, the RROD will be a thing of the past. Still, it's likely to happen to everyones older console eventually.

Also, I've owed all 3 consoles, and it's 360 all the way.

Bad Company 12-13-2007 04:46 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/sho...spx?i=3152&p=3

:)

Funky Fly 12-13-2007 05:34 PM

360 is your best bet. They have a lot of PS3's former exclusives, and of all their shared titles, the 360 version is usually better anyway. People keep saying PS3 will come up eventually, but developers really seem to fucking hate it, and (as evidenced by the aforementioned crappier versions of shared titles) it seems to be a bitch to develop for. Wii has some great first and 2nd party ish and some ok 3rd party ish. They also have the Virtual Console, but if your old systems are still in working order you might not need it so much. Of course, I suspect that in 3 or 4 years time, they'll have a ridiculous number of classic games available up from the just ok amount they have now.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 1964766)
360 is your best bet. They have a lot of PS3's former exclusives, and of all their shared titles, the 360 version is usually better anyway. People keep saying PS3 will come up eventually, but developers really seem to fucking hate it, and (as evidenced by the aforementioned crappier versions of shared titles) it seems to be a bitch to develop for. Wii has some great first and 2nd party ish and some ok 3rd party ish. They also have the Virtual Console, but if your old systems are still in working order you might not need it so much. Of course, I suspect that in 3 or 4 years time, they'll have a ridiculous number of classic games available up from the just ok amount they have now.

Yeah, the PS3 is harder to develop for AND Sony's pissed off a lot of developers. The hardware and software sales for the 360 will be hard to touch, and most developers seem to be dragging their feet on the Wii (They're going to push the 360 in hopes that they don't have to change the way they develop for the next gen). Not to mention, Nitnendo fans tend not to buy a lot of software, and not a lot of third party software, making it less attractive to third parties anyway (Bad idea, but whatever).

Extreme Angle 12-13-2007 05:50 PM

For the count, new 360's dont get the red ring of death. well hardly ever anyway,
If I were you I'd buy an xbox purely because it has the best games and the best online community and onlien in general. The only problem with the 360 is that you can only have 4 controllers, so when I'm playing smackdown vs raw only 4 of us can play, unlike 6 of us like we used to do on the ps2.
I've got a wii for crimbo, can't wait to start playing it.
But xbox is the better of the 3, not by far though.

BigDaddyCool 12-13-2007 05:59 PM

4 controlers/6 controlers...not a problem.

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 06:04 PM

Ive seen the same games played on both systems in HD and the PS3 has the better graffics by far. This time next year the PS3 will be the better system. Its just like when the Xbox first came out the PS2 was way better, but as xbox came out with more games it was the dominant system.

Xero 12-13-2007 06:08 PM

You're joking. You honestly think the original X Box was better than the PS2? :wtf:

It had better graphics and online. That's where the superiority ended.

Bad Company 12-13-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964801)
Ive seen the same games played on both systems in HD and the PS3 has the better graffics by far. This time next year the PS3 will be the better system. Its just like when the Xbox first came out the PS2 was way better, but as xbox came out with more games it was the dominant system.

LOL

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964801)
Ive seen the same games played on both systems in HD and the PS3 has the better graffics by far. This time next year the PS3 will be the better system. Its just like when the Xbox first came out the PS2 was way better, but as xbox came out with more games it was the dominant system.

That was hilarious.

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 06:16 PM

Well say what you want, I feel that if ps2 and xbox had come out at the same time, the ps2 would not have been able to compete. Between the online, graffix and the lack of a need for memory cards.

Extreme Angle 12-13-2007 06:36 PM

Yeah graphics are better, does graphics make a great game? look at final fantasy 7... you played as a block.
Also IMO the tv you play on makes the betetr graphics. My friend has a non HD PS3 and I have a HD 360, my graphics slay his, he still goes on about how his are better though...

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964819)
Well say what you want, I feel that if ps2 and xbox had come out at the same time, the ps2 would not have been able to compete. Between the online, graffix and the lack of a need for memory cards.

That's why the Dreamcast sold so well. :rofl:

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 06:46 PM

Graffix doesnt mean a better game, but it does add to make a better console.

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 1964865)
That's why the Dreamcast sold so well. :rofl:

The Dreamcast got screwed due to poor marketing and advertising and lack of a push in general on segas part.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964869)
Graffix doesnt mean a better game, but it does add to make a better console.

And yet--SURPRISE--Has yet to affect a dominant system.

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 07:05 PM

So you are saying that graffics have no bearing on how well a console does?

Funky Fly 12-13-2007 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964801)
Ive seen the same games played on both systems in HD and the PS3 has the better graffics by far. This time next year the PS3 will be the better system. Its just like when the Xbox first came out the PS2 was way better, but as xbox came out with more games it was the dominant system.

PS3 has the greater potential. But all the power in the world doesn't mean shit if it's a bitch to make games for it. It all boils down to the bottom line for developers, and they're not going to support what isn't cost effective.

It's not like I don't want the PS3 to succeed. Sony's just done all they can to shoot themselves in the foot.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964890)
So you are saying that graffics have no bearing on how well a console does?

No, I am not saying they have no bearing at all.

bigdaddysuperfreak 12-13-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 1964893)
PS3 has the greater potential. But all the power in the world doesn't mean shit if it's a bitch to make games for it. It all boils down to the bottom line for developers, and they're not going to support what isn't cost effective.

It's not like I don't want the PS3 to succeed. Sony's just done all they can to shoot themselves in the foot.

Sony has made it easier for developers to make games by cutting the kit price in half.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964896)
Sony has made it easier for developers to make games by cutting the kit price in half.

And if that were the only factor in ease of use or dev cost, that would probably make all the difference in the world.

Funky Fly 12-13-2007 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdaddysuperfreak (Post 1964896)
Sony has made it easier for developers to make games by cutting the kit price in half.

lol not what I meant. I mean the actual programming of the games is much harder on the PS3 than it is on the 360. That is why the same game on both systems usually comes out better on the 360.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 1964903)
lol not what I meant. I mean the actual programming of the games is much harder on the PS3 than it is on the 360. That is why the same game on both systems usually comes out better on the 360.

Including quite often graphically. That's not to say that the PS3 can't do better graphics. They just made it harder and less worth the while.

Bad Company 12-13-2007 07:39 PM

Having a Crippled last gen PC GPU isn't exactly helping the PS3's Cause. We know the Cell is Grunty, but Processor isn't everything.

Kane Knight 12-13-2007 11:28 PM

In terms of what sells systems, a year later, the PS2 is still outselling the PS3. So the system that was the inferior technologically last gen, is still outselling the most advanced of this generation.

Fignuts 12-14-2007 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 1964429)
PS3, better in the long run. 360 if you are in it for medium term.


You don't know that. It's not even close to a certainty at this point either.

D Mac 12-14-2007 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 1964671)
Well, crisis averted.

It's no crisis for me! :p

OssMan 12-14-2007 10:37 PM

Seriously though between the two Final Fantasy 13 games and a possible Final Fantasy 7 remake, I dunno... PS3 might be worth it

Kane Knight 12-14-2007 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 1965468)
You don't know that. It's not even close to a certainty at this point either.

In fact, anyone taking bets would probably favor the other way.

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Originally Posted by AssMan (Post 1966329)
Seriously though between the two Final Fantasy 13 games and a possible Final Fantasy 7 remake, I dunno... PS3 might be worth it

The FFVII remake was debunked rather thoroughly, though. What's this about two FF games? Same deal, or a spinoff, or?

Funky Fly 12-14-2007 10:44 PM

No way I'm putting down $400 for 3 games. I have to wonder whether they'll stay exclusive too.

Kane Knight 12-14-2007 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 1966336)
No way I'm putting down $400 for 3 games. I have to wonder whether they'll stay exclusive too.

I actually thought SquarePenis had gone for more multiplatform.

Fignuts 12-14-2007 10:58 PM

I don't think it's official yet, but it's gonna happen I bet.

Dorkchop 12-14-2007 10:58 PM

http://gamernode.com/upload/article%...1188415492.jpg

Dorkchop 12-14-2007 11:01 PM

Still, most work fine, but their hardware failure is still too high for me to even consider getting one. It's sad that I'm actually kind of considering going for a PS3........ If it can ever get some games. Does any game uses the six axis?

loopydate 12-14-2007 11:14 PM

360.

The Wii is more fun for multiplayer party games, but on the whole, 360 is the best of this generation. I was all set to buy a PS3, but I was looking over the racks of games at Best Buy and saw that 360 had about double the number of games I wanted to play, plus it was about $200 cheaper.

Kane Knight 12-14-2007 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 1966348)
I don't think it's official yet, but it's gonna happen I bet.

Prolly.

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Originally Posted by Dorkchop (Post 1966349)

Yeah, why would a poorly vented display model RROD?

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Originally Posted by Dorkchop (Post 1966352)
Still, most work fine, but their hardware failure is still too high for me to even consider getting one. It's sad that I'm actually kind of considering going for a PS3........ If it can ever get some games. Does any game uses the six axis?

A couple of games do. Anyway, Hardware failure's no longer as high, and if you get a Falcon model, odds are you'll never RROD.

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Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 1966366)
360.

The Wii is more fun for multiplayer party games, but on the whole, 360 is the best of this generation. I was all set to buy a PS3, but I was looking over the racks of games at Best Buy and saw that 360 had about double the number of games I wanted to play, plus it was about $200 cheaper.


I didn't bother talking about Wii because BDC's pretty much made it clear that Wii ain't for him in that other thread. I mean, I'm not saying "BDC sucks; he doesn't like what I like," But it seems pointless to try and sell him on something that he won't like.

Wii's fun, and Galaxy alone is almost worth admission, but he's gonna enjoy standard console gaming more. And TBH, failure and all, 360's still where it's at. I don't really have an agenda; I go where the games are. And Microsoft has the games. Which is good for gaming, I think, because the PS3 is a bad model for gaming, like other high end systems before it, but I would have bought a PS3 had they made it worth my 600 bucks. I've got almost as many 360 games as I had PS2 games, and that's within a year of launch.

OssMan 12-14-2007 11:53 PM

Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy vs. XIII or something, and then like Final Fantasy Agito XIII which is only for cell phones. I don't even know the difference or if they are all "mainstream" games or what.

Kane Knight 12-15-2007 12:00 AM

Well, they ARE currently PS3 exclusives. Frankly, I don't give a crap about them anymore, but that's probably a feather to some.

Fignuts 12-15-2007 12:30 AM

I havn't been very impressed with Final Fantasy since VIII anyways.

OssMan 12-15-2007 12:32 AM

eh i think 13 will be good, seems square enix got their shit together with 12.


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