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Heyman 03-09-2004 01:58 AM

Embarrased to be a CANUCKS fan
 
I never thought I would say this. I am embarrassed to be a fan of the Vancouver Canucks tonight.

Not because they came out unprepared to play. But because they chose to take things too far tonight in their revenge against Steve Moore.

Todd Bertuzzi will be suspended tomorrow, and rightly so. His sucker punch of Steve Moore was classless, and Moore was badly hurt. Markus Naslund seemed as embarrassed as I was by the look on his face.

I would like to extend my best wishes to Steve Moore, and hope that my team has the balls to admit what they did was wrong tonight.

Also - WTF. 9-2 against the Avs? How can a team play SO bad when it's one of their most important games? I made fun of the Leafs awhile back when they got their asses handed to the Senators, but they were also missing key players. Canucks have everyone tonight.

Is this what will happen in the playoffs?

Canucks need to seriously wake the f</>uck up. They got outclassed by Detroit, and are taking it up the ass HARD from the Avs tonight.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 02:03 AM

it was a bad game, but it didn't happen last time they played so something was gonna go down tonight. The Avs got smoked yesterday 7-1 or something so they needed to come out strong. Pretty dumb of bertuzzi but what can you do. It's no different then Tucker low bridging Peca and putting him out for 6 months... or any other thing, when Moore hit Naslund it was a cheap hit so payback was gonna come.

road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 02:08 AM

LOL I can't wait for Gertner to reply :love:

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 02:09 AM

yeah should be good.

Heyman 03-09-2004 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
it was a bad game, but it didn't happen last time they played so something was gonna go down tonight. The Avs got smoked yesterday 7-1 or something so they needed to come out strong. Pretty dumb of bertuzzi but what can you do. It's no different then Tucker low bridging Peca and putting him out for 6 months... or any other thing, when Moore hit Naslund it was a cheap hit so payback was gonna come.

Yeah - I was all for Bertuzzzi (or anyone) taking out Moore. I just wished it would've been FACE to FACE. When McCarty beat the sh</>it out of Lemieux in 1997 in vengeance, it was FACE to FACE. What Bertuzzi did was gutless. I have limited respect for cowards.

Oh well - I'll support the canucks for life. I'm still disappointed however. I'm worried about the canucks in the playoffs.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 02:15 AM

im not worried at all, Colorado is a GOOD team it's not like they lost to a non-playoff team. I would also bet that Bertuzzi tried to get moore to fight but he didn't want his ass handed to him so he didn't.

Heyman 03-09-2004 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by road doggy dogg
LOL I can't wait for Gertner to reply :love:

Tis why I made this thread. :cool:

CNM 03-09-2004 02:26 AM

Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.

Heyman 03-09-2004 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNM
Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.

........

It's sad that I can't disagree with you WHATSOEVER. :nono:

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNM
Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.


it was pretty clear he was out anyways before bert road him to the ice... I'm not saying what Bertuzzi did was in anyway right but that's how hockey works and it always has. Moore took a cheap shot at naslund two weeks ago and he got his payback. Crawford also probably was happy that it happend, I mean look what happend with no call Crawford was PISSED and he should have been but what can you do.

Heyman 03-09-2004 02:47 AM

I dunno.....

I agree that Moore should've been taken out (and I don't particularily care that Moore was injured in the way that he was..........he had it coming). I just think it was classless of Bertuzzi to attack him from behind.

Wonder what's up next for Mr. Burke.

It's obvious that we need a key trade IMO if this team is going to make noise in the playoffs.

Again - Not that Cloutier is entirely to blame for tonight's loss, but 5 goals in one period?..........in arguably the most important game? Granted the team STUNK tonight, but when are we going to see Cloutier SAVE the canucks in an IMPORTANT game.....when the canucks NEED HIM THE MOST?

John la Rock 03-09-2004 02:57 AM

ya Bertuzzi went way too far. I think it was frustarted because he's having a shitty season and his team was getting their ass kicked. LOL at Brad May. who the **** does that guy think he is?

Shawn 03-09-2004 03:05 AM

I'll go a step further and say i think it was criminal. I think there should be charges considered. Drastic yes. But Moore is in the hospital now and last i heard he's in bad shape.Bertuzzi better stock up on the advil cause he's gunna get pounded when they meet again.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 03:17 AM

they wont meet again unless they both go to atleast the third round of the play-offs. I don't think it's really a criminal matter, it's part of the game. Bertuzzi's gonna get suspended or he should anyways for driving him to the ice but that's about all that's gonna happen.

Shawn 03-09-2004 03:20 AM

Unless moore takes a turn for the worst. Anyone know his status?

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 03:37 AM

he just has a concussion, that's what the TV is saying anyways, he's been released from hospital already, he was conscious and talking before he went to the hospital.

road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 04:22 AM

So Heyman, how many "most important games of the season" does Vancouver have exactly?

samichna 03-09-2004 08:36 AM

It's all because of the intistigator rule. Otherwise, it coulda been taken care of in another, easier way.

Although, Betuzzi's actions can be seen as "cheap", Moore should have known he was going to be targeted after what he did to Naslund.

Hartley should have benched him last night, because it was obvious that SOMETHING was going to happen to him.

da_king 03-09-2004 10:16 AM

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i was pretty disgusted and embarassed as well, i'd expect probably a ten game suspension for something like that. it looked really ugly.

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YOUR Hero 03-09-2004 11:03 AM

If Moore had taken off his helmet/visor when he fought Cooke early in the game, it would have been all over with.

Granato shouldn't have had Moore out there with the score the way it was. Stupid on his part. I guess I'm one of the only ones that sees faults on the other side as well.

Bertuzzi wouldn't have done what he did if he knew Moore was going to be that badly hurt. That part wasn't planned.

TheJShow 03-09-2004 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samichna
Hartley should have benched him last night

Granato's the coach now....

But yea I agree Moore shouldn't have been playing in that game

Gertner 03-09-2004 01:06 PM

A cheap move by a gutless piece of crap on a horsesh.it fraud team. what more is there to say? The never beat any good teams, and now they will not get home ice advantage. HAHAHAHAHA! Nice knowing ya canucks!

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 02:14 PM

apperently Moores got a cracked vertbrae, but they're saying it didn't happen when Bertuzzi rode him to the ground but rather when Konowalchuk jumped on Bertuzzi :|

The Dub 03-09-2004 02:16 PM

I'm an LA Kings fan because I used to listen to N.W.A.

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner
A cheap move by a gutless piece of crap on a horsesh.it fraud team. what more is there to say? The never beat any good teams, and now they will not get home ice advantage. HAHAHAHAHA! Nice knowing ya canucks!

lol

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
apperently Moores got a cracked vertbrae, but they're saying it didn't happen when Bertuzzi rode him to the ground but rather when Konowalchuk jumped on Bertuzzi :|

I saw a pic of Nikolishin on top of Bertuzzi when he was on Moore, might have been him :o

What exactly did he do anyway? It just sounded like a clothesline to the back of the head or something, must have been a pretty hard one to KO him.

I don't like to see anyone get injured but if the Avs coach was gonna play him knowing that something was probably gonna go down, then tough shit really. Revenge for Naslund dammit :mad:

Also who won in Rob Blake's fight, I didn't know he was a fighter :o

VonErich Lives 03-09-2004 02:41 PM

yeah, where there now saying broken vertebre I'd expect one of the biggest suspensions in league history (see: McSorley).

The question is, this is the same town that tried to arrest McSorley, are they not acting because the player is on their team or because there was no stick invovled?

VonErich Lives 03-09-2004 02:52 PM

They just said on the Radio a Monteal paper is reporting he's in surgey for 2 borken vertebre.

I think Bartuzzi might save himself some time and put the skates away now, I don't think he'll need them till next Season.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 03:03 PM

the police are investigating it now. The fact remains this shouldn't be a police investigation. Was it a cheap hit yes. Was it overboard yes. should Moore still be playing when he was in two fights in the first period and the score was 7-2? NO if you turtle in fights and wont go but you have a target something is gonna happen. I believe the suspension that he'll get is to the end of the first round of the play-offs. I also think that's fair.

I meant nikolishion ant my B :o

Blake lost his fight.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives
yeah, where there now saying broken vertebre I'd expect one of the biggest suspensions in league history (see: McSorley).

The question is, this is the same town that tried to arrest McSorley, are they not acting because the player is on their team or because there was no stick invovled?


A stick can be doubled as a deadly weapon, the police are going to look at this and say nothing. There were no laws broken. Moore isn't going to press charges cause he knew he was a marked man. It's part of the game. Mcsorley's situation was different he would have actually killed Brasheir with a stick.

They also didn't try to arrest him. They did. He got an 18 month conditonal sentence.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Ant
I saw a pic of Nikolishin on top of Bertuzzi when he was on Moore, might have been him :o

What exactly did he do anyway? It just sounded like a clothesline to the back of the head or something, must have been a pretty hard one to KO him.

I don't like to see anyone get injured but if the Avs coach was gonna play him knowing that something was probably gonna go down, then tough shit really. Revenge for Naslund dammit :mad:

Also who won in Rob Blake's fight, I didn't know he was a fighter :o

he grabbed the back of moores jersey after Moore said something to him off the face off and wouldn't fight so Bertuzzi grabbed his Jersey and knocked him one in the side of the head and knocked him out. then Bertuzzi fell on him onto the ice.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 03:34 PM

so appearently the coach on colorado made up the rumor of the Vertabrae and it's actually a sprianed neck,concussion and cut to the face. :|

VonErich Lives 03-09-2004 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
A stick can be doubled as a deadly weapon, the police are going to look at this and say nothing. There were no laws broken. Moore isn't going to press charges cause he knew he was a marked man. It's part of the game. Mcsorley's situation was different he would have actually killed Brasheir with a stick.

They also didn't try to arrest him. They did. He got an 18 month conditonal sentence.

Haven't see the tape... but, fighting is part of the game, a shot when someone isn't looking (with or w/o stick) is not part of the game, driving someone to the ice (again, I haven't see the tape but every report I heard says he drove him to the ice after the punch) isn't part of the game.

Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight.

Lara Emily 03-09-2004 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives
Haven't see the tape... but, fighting is part of the game, a shot when someone isn't looking (with or w/o stick) is not part of the game, driving someone to the ice (again, I haven't see the tape but every report I heard says he drove him to the ice after the punch) isn't part of the game.

Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight.

T'was definitely a cheap cheap dirty hit which warrants a strong suspension but it is not liek the McSorley case, and it does not warrant criminal charges. Nor (before anyone suggests it) a ban from the NHL.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives
Haven't see the tape... but, fighting is part of the game, a shot when someone isn't looking (with or w/o stick) is not part of the game, driving someone to the ice (again, I haven't see the tape but every report I heard says he drove him to the ice after the punch) isn't part of the game.

Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight.


the punch he hit him with knocked him out cold, that was clear, he didn't as much drive him to the ice as he did was hold on to him and fall on him, it's a bad situation for moore, but had bertuzzi maybe just let him drop to the ice face first it could have been even worse for him.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily
T'was definitely a cheap cheap dirty hit which warrants a strong suspension but it is not liek the McSorley case, and it does not warrant criminal charges. Nor (before anyone suggests it) a ban from the NHL.


I agree with that except I don't think it will warrent as long of a suspension as some people might think it should be. The NHL is going to look at the hit and base there suspension not on Moore's injury but rather what bertuzzi did. He did cheap shot him from behind. he did fall on him. They might also recognize that Moore was out before he was falling and thus Bertuzzi somewhat held him up, cause if Bertuzzi let him go he would have DROPPED. I would be VERY VERY surprised if he gets more then 10 games for it. I also doubt he'll even get 10 games...

BCWWF 03-09-2004 05:42 PM

Morcheba shut up. That is the most biased talk I have ever seen on these boards. Bertuzzi has his history of doing dumb shit things like this, he took a total cheap shot (And IMO the hit on Naslund wasn't unbelievably bad to begin with) and now you are saying that Bertuzzi helped him by holding him up? You are throwing out so much bullshit throughout this thread that its not even funny. Accept the fact that Bertuzzi made an unbelievably bad decision and will likely be suspended for a long time.

Bertuzzi is a fu</>cking retard. Last year he took a dumb penalty late in Game 7 against the Wild ruining any chance they had to come back, and now it looks like his stupid shit is going to mess their playoff hopes up again. I say trade that piece of shit for someone who is good and doesn't make shitty ideas.

Splaya 03-09-2004 05:45 PM

But here's the point that needs to be made. Bertuzzi was down 9-2 in the game or 7-2 or whatever. Point is his team was being blown out of the water, and here is this little shit running his mouth to him. Now I'm a Detroit fan and was pissed when he hurt Chelios by falling on Chelios shoulder. But when your down by this much in the game and someone is running your mouth, and your being embarassed what do you think your going to do, sit there. No your going to fight. Problem here is that instead of him trying to get away from you, skate in front of him and punch his lights out. Not take him out from behind. It's an act of cowardice on his part and I hope he gets suspended. Anyone else besides me want to see a Canucks-Avs first round match up?

As for Crawford he has and always will be a dick so nothing suprises me if he really did have a smirk on his face


My Prediction for Bertuzzi's suspension (even though it will cause some people getting pissed off): 1 year suspension.

BCWWF 03-09-2004 06:10 PM

A long suspension like that honestly isnt out of the question, the way it looks now anyway. But who knows, maybe nobody will be playing next year anyway.

Supreme Olajuwon 03-09-2004 06:13 PM

Bertuzzi deserves a year for being a chicken shit pussy but seeing as how there might not be an NHL next year I doubt thatll happen

Bertuzzi should have spun him around and beat the shit out of him. If Moore didnt want to fight then he would take his ass whoopin like a man. But punching him in the back of the head like a little bitch is rediculous

Bret Hull was talking about how players nowadays grow up wearing shit loads of protective equipment and forget how easy it is to injure someone

Arashi Kage 03-09-2004 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNM
Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.


Everyone who knows me is aware that I've never been a fan of Bertuzzi. His actions last night are no different than the way he was from '91-'92 to '94-'95 when he played here in Guelph in the OHL.

Bertuzzi's the kind of player who finds it very difficult to play diciplined hockey. Bertuzzi is the player who takes a stupid penalty in the last few minutes of a game when his team is down by a goal and trying to tie it up.

Bertuzzi :n:

road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 06:27 PM

Yeah he should be suspended for that. No ****ing reason for that. If he wanted to "avenge" Naslund, fight him like a man.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
Morcheba shut up. That is the most biased talk I have ever seen on these boards. Bertuzzi has his history of doing dumb shit things like this, he took a total cheap shot (And IMO the hit on Naslund wasn't unbelievably bad to begin with) and now you are saying that Bertuzzi helped him by holding him up? You are throwing out so much bullshit throughout this thread that its not even funny. Accept the fact that Bertuzzi made an unbelievably bad decision and will likely be suspended for a long time.

Bertuzzi is a fu</>cking retard. Last year he took a dumb penalty late in Game 7 against the Wild ruining any chance they had to come back, and now it looks like his stupid shit is going to mess their playoff hopes up again. I say trade that piece of shit for someone who is good and doesn't make shitty ideas.


lol shut up yourself sorry if im pointing out the facts. I'm not being bias towards bertuzzi, im saying the truth if you saw any of the shit that went on last night you would know. also have you ever held an unconscious person? a 200 pound person will drop like they have 400 pounds of weight on them. :yes: look into some facts and go hope minnesota gets back to the play-offs eventually.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 06:34 PM

and did you guys not see that Moore turtled out of two fights in the game. that alone showed granato that he was a marked man so there was no reason to leave him in the game late in the game. Granato himself knows what it's like to be a marked man he did slash a guy right in the face and got suspended for 15 games. I'm not trying to say Bertuzzi doesn't deserve along term suspension or anything like that im just saying the NHL isn't going to come down on him as much as you people think they should.

Supreme Olajuwon 03-09-2004 06:37 PM

Bertuzzi outweighs Moore by 35 pounds. He could have easy turned him around and started pounding on him. I have no problem with retaliation but come on be a man about it

BCWWF 03-09-2004 06:40 PM

I am sure Bertuzzi was thinking "Whoopdie do, I'll jack this guy in the back of the head...OMG HE'S UNCONSCIOUS!!! I BETTER CATCH HIM AND LAY HIM DOWN TO SAFETY!"

Get real, it may have been better of for Moore, key words there are "may have," but its not like Bertuzzi did it on purpose of anything, Moore shouldn't have been falling to the ground unconscious to begin with.

Don't pretend like you aren't biased towards Bertuzzi, because it is so blatant that you are. I'm not gonna lie, I have personal bias for my teams players too, but when it is something like this you just have to sit down and recognize how stupid that decision was, and not just for him personally, not having him in the upcoming weaks could be detrimental to his team.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I am sure Bertuzzi was thinking "Whoopdie do, I'll jack this guy in the back of the head...OMG HE'S UNCONSCIOUS!!! I BETTER CATCH HIM AND LAY HIM DOWN TO SAFETY!"

Get real, it may have been better of for Moore, key words there are "may have," but its not like Bertuzzi did it on purpose of anything, Moore shouldn't have been falling to the ground unconscious to begin with.

Don't pretend like you aren't biased towards Bertuzzi, because it is so blatant that you are. I'm not gonna lie, I have personal bias for my teams players too, but when it is something like this you just have to sit down and recognize how stupid that decision was, and not just for him personally, not having him in the upcoming weaks could be detrimental to his team.


I have already said it was stupid of him to do, I've said he deserves to get suspended.

Before you call bertuzzi a big dick for this one though maybe you should look up what Matt Johnson did to Jeff Beukeboom back in 94 that was the basically the same thing that happend here and he got a 12 game suspenson. Oh and Beukeboom never played again. Moore will.

road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 06:44 PM

Okay, and what does that have to do with anything? Someone else did it and got suspended; so? That doesn't make Bertuzzi any less of a dick.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by road doggy dogg
Okay, and what does that have to do with anything? Someone else did it and got suspended; so? That doesn't make Bertuzzi any less of a dick.


did I say it does?

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 06:46 PM

im saying if he wants to call me stupid for being bias towards Bertuzzi he would have been the same way for the player on his team. I don't recall ever being Bias towards Bertuzzi in this thread but whatever.

Supreme Olajuwon 03-09-2004 06:48 PM

if Bertuzzi gets more than the rest of the season, he'll go to the WHA

Im sure he wont mind

BCWWF 03-09-2004 06:53 PM

I had no idea who Matt Johnson was in 1994, but I am sure he got suspended justly since I don't hear anything since. If Matt Johnson did what Bertuzzi did, I would react in the same way I am now.

road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
did I say it does?

I was referring to the "Before you call Bertuzzi a big dick for this..." part.

Supreme Olajuwon 03-09-2004 06:55 PM

Johnson punched him in the back of the head too

road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 06:59 PM

I know that (they mentioned it in the article on TSN). I'm just saying, yes what Johnson did was bad. Bertuzzi did it too. As far as I'm concerned, they're both dicks. I don't care who did it first and for what reason, it's still a stupid thing to do.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I had no idea who Matt Johnson was in 1994, but I am sure he got suspended justly since I don't hear anything since. If Matt Johnson did what Bertuzzi did, I would react in the same way I am now.


so Bertuzzi should get 12 games and you'll have no problem with that?

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:01 PM

also, I made a mistake it was in 98 the johnson thing

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:02 PM

http://www.hockey-stats.com/news/A-1998-11-23.shtml

BCWWF 03-09-2004 07:05 PM

When did I ever condone anything that Johnson did?

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:06 PM

I never said you did, im saying that you felt his punishment was justified with a 12 game suspenson so why shouldn't Bertuzzi's?

BCWWF 03-09-2004 07:07 PM

According to our local sports radio, the police are looking into it

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:09 PM

the police aren't gonna do anything about it anyways. yeah they're looking into it, is Moore gonna press charges? unlikely.

BCWWF 03-09-2004 07:10 PM

Purely because I have no idea what this was and what the severity of it all was. I have a good idea what happened, but I am not going to justify or attack his suspension because I do not know enough about it.

BCWWF 03-09-2004 07:12 PM

The radio station I am listening to is taking phone calls on the subject right now, if there are any interesting opinions I will share them on here. Lou Nanne, if any of you know who he is, will also talk.

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
Blake lost his fight.

:(

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:14 PM

he got in one good shot though :)


then of course he got pounded and fell to the ground

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 07:17 PM

Blake always comes up on the fight thing on NHL 2004 on my custon team, I don't wanna use him though since he's my best Dman and he always jobs in fights :mad:

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:20 PM

I need to get NHL2004 so I can make you guys lose to me

BCWWF 03-09-2004 07:20 PM

Pick up Rob Ray

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 07:22 PM

Yeah, you can teach me stuff about hockey too :$

Then I can use it against you and whoop your ass ala Kapoutman :cool:

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 07:24 PM

BCWWF does this picture make you mad

http://www.btinternet.com/~livingleg...gs/gaborik.jpg

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:25 PM

I would kill you Ant :mad:

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:26 PM

would that 44 on LA happen to be Bertuzzi

VonErich Lives 03-09-2004 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
and did you guys not see that Moore turtled out of two fights in the game. that alone showed granato that he was a marked man so there was no reason to leave him in the game late in the game. Granato himself knows what it's like to be a marked man he did slash a guy right in the face and got suspended for 15 games. I'm not trying to say Bertuzzi doesn't deserve along term suspension or anything like that im just saying the NHL isn't going to come down on him as much as you people think they should.

Wait, so it's the coaches fault for not taking the player out?

WTF cheebs... I dunno, maybe your bleading team colors a little to deep here.

I'm still trying to see the video (stupid espn.com video wont load).

But, everyone I've talked to who seen it, said he drove him into the Ice, he wasn't trying to catch or hold him up.

If that's the case, I don't see why the Ice wouldn't count as a deadly weapon in the same way the stick (mcsorley) or a foot, etc...

My take (again, w/o seeing the video) if he hit him from behined and drove him into the ice, the intent doesn't matter, it's the outcome (kinda like manslaughter v. murder 1).

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives
Wait, so it's the coaches fault for not taking the player out?

WTF cheebs... I dunno, maybe your bleading team colors a little to deep here.

I'm still trying to see the video (stupid espn.com video wont load).

But, everyone I've talked to who seen it, said he drove him into the Ice, he wasn't trying to catch or hold him up.

If that's the case, I don't see why the Ice wouldn't count as a deadly weapon in the same way the stick (mcsorley) or a foot, etc...

My take (again, w/o seeing the video) if he hit him from behined and drove him into the ice, the intent doesn't matter, it's the outcome (kinda like manslaughter v. murder 1).

I wassn't saying it's the coaches fault but he KNEW Moore was gonna get it sometime in that game he was marked from the get go. When the score then becomes 8-2 shits gonna fly on anyteam trying to "spark" a team or whatever you wanna call it. none of it should have happend but you can't change it now.

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 07:39 PM

it was like in the Ottawa and Philly game the other night, Martin (sens coach) was sending his players to fight, but the guy Philly was targeting (Havlat) was in the box and he wassn't going to be on the ice cause he knew what would happen.

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
I would kill you Ant :mad:

Bring it :cool:

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
would that 44 on <s>LA</s> the Las Vegas Dingosaurs happen to be Bertuzzi

:yes:

VonErich Lives 03-09-2004 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
it was like in the Ottawa and Philly game the other night, Martin (sens coach) was sending his players to fight, but the guy Philly was targeting (Havlat) was in the box and he wassn't going to be on the ice cause he knew what would happen.

Sounds like your blaming the coach, I know your saying your not...

But saying "The coach should have known he was marked and fists would fly, and he shouldn't have been out there".

Only way I can read that is putting some blame on the coach.

da_king 03-09-2004 08:12 PM

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granato's an inexperienced coach, anyone with half a brain knows that when the game's out of hand and you've got a marked man, you sit him out unless you want to start sh</>it or egg the other team on. granato isn't to blame for what bertuzzi did but is partly to blame for allowing things to get out of hand by having moore on the ice. anyways the fan reaction around here from what i've heard on radio talk shows and what not is that most people are really laying into bertuzzi rather then taking a homer stance on it, some people are calling for a suspension into the playoffs as well.


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BCWWF 03-09-2004 08:43 PM

Goddamnit! For some reason my screen keeps scrolling back up to the picture ant posted :wtf: :rant:

BCWWF 03-09-2004 08:44 PM

Good, I started a new page, SCREW YOU ANT

da_king 03-09-2004 08:48 PM

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road doggy dogg 03-09-2004 08:59 PM

LOL da_king :love:

BCWWF 03-09-2004 09:03 PM

It's not drawn to it anymore, I can read RDD's post in peace

YOUR Hero 03-09-2004 09:14 PM

Granato's inexperience as a coach is no excuse. He is partly to blame for what happened. He played gritty hockey his entire career and knows better. Granato was even playing Worrel on the powerplay. These things were done to infuriate the Canucks. Of course he didn't expect for Bertuzzi to break Moore's neck (or whatever the injury is) but he knew what he was up to.

Hockey justice. Overboard.

You guys can sit there are debate things, and that's fine, don't get me wrong, Bertuzzi deserves a severe suspension. There is however alot of blame to go around.

BCWWF 03-09-2004 09:22 PM

Heres a question. I just looked on ESPN and according to Brian Burke, Bertuzzi tried to contact Moore at the hospital to apologize and whatnot. My question is, would you be willing to talk to him at that point?

I don't think I would, at least not yet. I couldn't take an apology from Bertuzzi as sincere. What would you do?

MoRcHeEbA 03-09-2004 09:27 PM

I would. Moore knows Bertuzzi wassn't trying to break his neck. The neck was an accident. also when 4 guys dog pile on you that weight doesn't help.

YOUR Hero 03-09-2004 09:30 PM

Yeah I'd take his call. I'd also place the call, in fact I'd show up at the hospital.

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VANCOUVER (CP) - Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore, sucker-punched from behind by Canucks star Todd Bertuzzi, will miss the rest of the season with a fractured neck as bad blood led to a bad injury.



Bertuzzi, meanwhile, faces the wrath of the NHL and possibly the police.



Moore, a rookie with modest numbers for the Avs, crashed face first to the ice following Bertuzzi's punch in the third period of Colorado's 9-2 win Monday night.



The Canucks power forward landed on top of Moore, who was targeted because of a hit last month that sidelined Vancouver captain Markus Naslund with a concussion.


Police are investigating the incident, which also left Moore with a concussion. He will remain in hospital in Vancouver ``for an indefinite period of time,'' the Avs said.



``Regardless of the fact that this involves a player in the National Hockey League, this will be a routine assault investigation,'' said Const. Sarah Bloor, a spokesman for the Vancouver Police.



``Crown counsel will be responsible for making a decision as to whether or not anyone is charged.''



Bertuzzi has been suspended pending a hearing with the NHL in Toronto on Wednesday.



The league issued a statement saying executive vice-president Colin Campbell, who handles discipline for the NHL, and Bertuzzi would not comment until a disciplinary decision was reached.



The general managers of both teams held separate news conferences Tuesday. Canucks GM Brian Burke said Bertuzzi had planned to meet the media but was ``too distraught to come here today.''



``It's been too emotionally difficult for him,'' he said.



``Right now he's very upset about what happened. In terms of the incident, he's remorseful and relieved that Mr. Moore's injuries at this point appear, that a full recovery should be possible.''



Bertuzzi had tried to contact Moore at the hospital, in addition to trying to speak to the Avalanche trainer, Burke said.



The Canucks GM, while wishing Moore ``nothing but the best in terms of recovering from this injury,'' declined comment on the incident himself.



Colorado GM Pierre Lacroix was also guarded.



``We hope as an organization that Steve will recover,'' Lacroix said, adding more medical tests are planned.



``All I know that his spirit, under the circumstance, is good,'' Lacroix added.



He avoided offering any more medical information, saying that was best left to doctors.



Lacroix also did not want to talk about a criminal investigation, saying he just wanted his player to get well.



``I don't want to think of anything else,'' he said.



It was in Vancouver that Marty McSorley, then with the Boston Bruins, was charged with assault after knocking out then-Canuck Donald Brashear with a stick to the head in February 2000.



McSorley, suspended by the NHL for a year, was convicted of assault and given an 18-month conditional discharge.



Moore's injuries are extensive.



``Exams have revealed that Steve sustained a concussion and a cervical injury (neck fracture) and will be out at least for the remainder of the season,'' head Colorado trainer Pat Karns said in a statement.



``He also suffered deep facial lacerations and abrasions to the forehead, right cheek and upper lip.''



As soon as his condition allows it, the 25-year-old from Windsor, Ont., will be transferred to Craig Hospital in Denver, the statement continued.



On a team stacked with stars, Moore is a checking forward who has four goals and seven assists in 57 games this season, 13th in scoring on the Avs. He has 37 penalty minutes.



Bertuzzi is a bona-fide star, a native of Sudbury, Ont., who signed a $27.8-million US four-year contract in October. While known for his big hits - his hard-hitting checks were featured in a TV commercial for Gatorade - he usually steers away from fights.



He has 17 goals and 43 assists, second best on the Canucks. He also has 122 penalty minutes.



Bertuzzi was suspended 10 games two years ago for coming off the bench to join an on-ice fight.



But bad blood between Colorado and Vancouver, currently No. 2 and No. 4 in the West, had been simmering since Moore's hit on Naslund during a game Feb. 16 in Denver. Naslund suffered a concussion that cost him three games.



Moore wasn't penalized for the hit and the league took no action.



Vancouver coach Marc Crawford called Moore's hit ``a cheap shot by a young kid on a captain, the leading scorer in the league.''



The two teams met in Denver on March 3 but there was little action in a 5-5 tie. That changed Monday night as the score became lopsided in Colorado's favour.



Asked how far over the line Bertuzzi's hit was, Colorado coach Tony Granato said: ``We have too much to offer in our game for something like this. Does it cross the line? Of course it does.''



But Lacroix said the NHL would do the right thing.



``I have full trust they will do the appropriate action.''



The Avs GM also said he had not heard from the Canucks.



``I haven't heard from nobody,'' he said, adding Bertuzzi's agent had made a call to request information.



The Moore injury is the latest black eye for the NHL, following a brawl-filled game last Friday between the Ottawa Senators and Philadelphia Flyers, which set an NHL record of 419 penalty minutes.



And the league will not be pleased that the Bertuzzi bloodbath tarnished NHL trade deadline day - normally a dream day for hockey junkies.



``This is not the way we're going to make people love the sport,'' said Lacroix, who refused to be drawn into further debate.



The Denver Post called the incident ``an ugly piece of frontier justice.''



``Even with the animosity between Colorado and Vancouver seemingly building by the second, nobody expected it to come to this,'' said the Rocky Mountain News.



Bertuzzi received a match penalty for his hit on the Avalanche centre Monday.



The two teams don't meet again during the regular season.



Colorado cancelled a planned skate Tuesday morning at GM Place. The team was to fly to Edmonton later in the day for a game Wednesday against the Oilers.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=75668

Y2Ant 03-09-2004 09:53 PM

Bertuzzi is introducing Gaborik to the fans in attendence

BCWWF 03-09-2004 10:01 PM

Gaborik is a good guy.

YOUR Hero 03-09-2004 10:07 PM

greedy

natureboycv 03-09-2004 10:07 PM

<font color=8307ff><b>Yeah I'm a Canucks fan but what Bertuzzi did wasn't cool. :n: Like some other people said, he could've easily beat up Moore face to face anyway, there wasn't really much point.</font></b>

BlackRavyyn 03-09-2004 11:17 PM

<font color=seablue><i>I don't really know what to say. There's been so much said in this thread already that might make what I write seem redundant but I'll try my best.

There were a few things wrong with that game last night that made me lose a lot of respect for the Canucks organization and for me, someone who calls Vancouver my adopted home, is a lot to say.

Not only was there the Bertuzzi incident, but there was the May incidents. He was flapping his yap at Aebischer and for what? What was he going to do, fight him? And then Crawford's reaction to the whole incident was far from shocked, again showing the calousness and assinine behaviour that caused me to hate the Avs until him and The Ego left.

Morcheeba is speaking a lot like my boss' wife did when she was visiting today and she is heavily involved with hockey. I was mentioning that it's time Bertuzzi's head was on a platter and she was telling me that it's hockey, but it's far from that. Think of the following items:

- The original hit, Moore on Naslund, was not called and therefore was iffy at most. It may seem dirty in some people's minds but obviously the league, and the refs didn't think so. And for Crawford to sit there and bitch about some player hitting "his star," is disgusting. If he hit a third line player like that, would it have made it any different?

- Following that game, many players were calling for Moore's head. This is called threats which would make the attack thought out.

- Bertuzzi is seen chasing Moore, tugging at his jersey. You see Moore refusing to turn his head and fighting him. Obviously Bertuzzi is not taking no for an answer and why is that? During tonight's Calgary-Edmonton game, Olijwa is trying to get Laraque to fight and he just keeps in the play. Such as was last night so Bertuzzi should've skated away but instead - sucker punches him and falls on top or him/pushes his head into the ice. It depends on how you look at the tape.

- If the neck break was caused by Bertuzzi or a player from either team jumping into the foray...it's still Bertuzzi's fault for causing that injury. Think...if Bertuzzi didn't sucker punch him, Moore would've have been on the ice in the first place and his players wouldn't have helped him out.

And I need to ask - Why shouldn't this be investigated by the Vancouver police? It was an assault. This wasn't a fight, this was not a mere check into the boards. A player was struck and knocked out. What benefit does either team have from a chickenshit move like that? I can even be backed by hockey players here in that the only moves on the ice are done to get to the puck and score. If there's a fight, it's to get a rise out of the team. A hit like that, only proves you're the idiot.

In all, I think Bertuzzi should start practicing a different kind of swing - his golf swing. His suspension will reflect his actions of that evening and his past and that will be a year. And what is going to happen when he returns? Would you want a player like that?</i></font>

Gertner 03-09-2004 11:51 PM

if he isn't suspended for the rest of the year, than the NHL is a bigger joke than i thought.

and heyman, to quote u on your original post. The Leafs are 3-1 vs the sens, so i have no idea where you pulled that from.

Y2Ant 03-10-2004 12:34 AM

Gaborik eats glass

Splaya 03-10-2004 12:39 AM

He needs to be suspended for at least 1 year because I just saw the hit for the first time today, just a couple of minutes ago. When Moore was going down Bertuzzi clearly was throwing him down to the ground and even when he was on the ground he pushed on his neck again.


Needless to say when the forum breaks the news of this, there is going to be a lot of controversy. Also, I believe there should be a criminal investigation in this because it is bullshit. He deliberately tried to injure him. If someone did that in the street (just a random 2 people) would the one who did that be kept out of jail??? No! I believe he needs to be suspended and brought in front of a court.

Just an act of cowardice that's my opinion.

Supreme Olajuwon 03-10-2004 12:43 AM

yeah but there wont be an NHL next year so it wont matter

Shawn 03-10-2004 12:49 AM

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yeah but there wont be an NHL next year so it wont matter
In that case the Avs shoulda been coming over the boards to get at that mother ****er.

Supreme Olajuwon 03-10-2004 12:52 AM

why? The Avs have a great chance of winning the Cup this year. They shouldnt throw it all away because someone took a cheap shot on one of their rookies

oh yeah Steve Moore is from Windsor just FYI


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