I miss Brock Lesnar
 

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There might be plenty of videos after Feb 2nd of Lesnar getting knocked the fuck out or submitted.

Greatness.

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Brock was indeed the man. Shame how he turned out.

Was there ever a Brock Lesnar/Shawn Michaels match? Would have been sick.

I also miss Brock Lesnar. :(

That video Hero's Welcome posted was fucking sick. That Spinebuster was awesome and the bit where he picked Spike up in a choke into a Powerbomb... pure awesomeness. :yes:

Was actually talking about this with a friend the other day. Shame it didn't happen, because it would have been awesome.

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Only thing I can remember between the 2

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The Rock makes fun of Brock Lesnar and HHH
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Eddie Guerrero v Brock Lesnar
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Batista v Brock Lesnar
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Brock Lesnar v Bill Goldberg
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Brock Lesnar Shooting Star Press
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You mean a family man not addicted to pain pills and possibly being seriously injured?

Come on Rob, family man? For real? Brock nor Sable seem like the 'settle down quietly with family and a mug of hot cocoa" type of people.

Also, there is still quite the chance that he could be seriously injured in MMA.

I'm talking about it being a shame from a wrestling fan's standpoint, you knob.

And not being some retarded carnie shit.

Brock's legendary feud with Shannon Moore is one that should be remembered.

I didn't care for him all that much. Though I do wish him success in MMA just to shut up all the nay-sayers that think he is a complete joke.

Anyone who thinks he's a complete joke is a moron.

I'm not saying he's gonna skyrocket to the top of UFC and dominate, but he's not a joke.

Well, except when mocking Eddie G or taking on Shannon Moore.

lol Zach Gowen.

You didn't say that. And why is it when people come to challenge anything I write they have to resort to name calling? Last resort or something?

If he can strike (which apparently he can) and can defend submissions (we'll soon find out) then he very well might skyrocket to the top of the UFC.

I, for one, would laugh if an internet fan killed Brock Lesnar.

He might, but I'm not going to count on it just yet.

Just that anyone who thinks he's a joke needs their head checked.

Hey, does anyone remember when Brock Lesnar said he wanted to kill internet wrestling fans? The people that write, read, and talk about the "dirt sheets"? Yea, and people miss the man who gave out empty death threats....

But on a sightly more serious note, Lesnar was only as good as who he was in the ring with. He couldn't carry a match by himself but if someone else held his hand during a match Lesnar looked great.
There are some guys who can have a match with a box of rocks and make it look good. Angle, HBK, Brian Kendrick, Shelton, The Undertaker, Ric Flair in his prime... Brock is not one of these guys.

True.

Weren't?

And?

What the fuck are you on about? Brock carried Big Show and Albert to fucking solid, solid matches.

I miss the Rock

Okay, I'll give you a point for the Big Show, but The Big Show is a solid worker who can work with a lot of people even though he's a freakin' giant.

But Albert.. If by carry you mean "dropped on his head" then yea, he did that. It's on one of the botchamania videos.
Let's not forget his shooting star press on Angle
Or breaking Holly's neck

Now every wrestler makes mistakes, sometimes it happens at the worst times like the biggest events, but looking at how long Brock was wrestling on TV and how many mistakes he made..... we have a pretty high ratio there.

That isn't a very hgih ratio, yeah he fucked up the F5, he did the right thing with the shooting star, he could have dropped down but that would have fucked up the flow of the match, he went for it and it was too far. Long run it made the match better. And Holly dead weighted Brock to TRY and make Brock look bad after being stiff with him the entire match, Brock said fuck it and let him go.

You have two botches. ANd the point still stands his matches with all THREE men who aren't extremely talented were very good.

If you want to talk about someone who fucks up alot, look at Shelton.

Bringing up Lesnar injuring Bobcore is really reaching for a reason to bitch about him, isn't it?

Shelton never put my panties in a wad by threatening to kill me! :'(

Can't believe there is any a debate on whether Lesnar was any good. Why don't we talk about how shit Shawn Michaels is next :roll:

Indeed. Brock was my reason to watch WWE. E is lucky HBK came back otherwise I wouldn't be watching anymore.

Shelton fucks up a lot because he takes a lot of risks. Shelton is a well rounded wrestler who is good in the mic that doesn't need to take the risks and hit the high spots. He takes the risks and hits the high spots because he's the goddamn man.

And yes, I just said I only care about one worker. And yes, I only watch videos of shows (don't care enough to watch live anymore) and skip around until I probably only end up watching 29 minutes a week total.

You saying Shelton is a better worker than Brock?

That's more than enough.

Aw fuck off. You bring up Brock botching his Shooting Star yet justify Shelton botching for taking "risk"? Are you FUCKING SERIOUS!?! Shelton has botched a pivotal move in every "big" match situation he has ever been in. And I'm saying this actually while LIKING Shelton, but facts are facts - he's not on Brock's level.

Agreed, 8 minutes come from watching the diva's match (I'm sorry, Mickie and Victoria put on better matches than most the men) and the extra 5 minutes come from sitting through Satino segments and matches in order to look at the hotness of Maria.

Brock was awesome. I think he was the most phisically gifted wrestler in history.

Did he threaten to kill internet people? No? Then he's awesome.

LMFAO. One minute, Brock is terrible because of missing a high risk spot, the next, Shelton's the man because he takes a lot of risks and fucks up.

Don't worry about it KK, I've been here a long time. I should have remembered that flawed logic plagues most of the wrestling forum.

"Logic" in the loosest sense, perhaps.

How do you say that word? Law-Jik? That's funny! :rofl:

Whatever, I just didn't like Lesnar in or out of the ring. He was pushed too hard, too fast, forced down our pikes like there was no tomorrow. Yea, he had a great build, and could tell a story in the ring. As a heel he could have people go over him and still look good because he was a monster. As a face he was able to allow heels to do what they need to win and then get his revenge.
Lesnar wasn't all bad, and he didn't botch is up quite like Lita. If the WWE would have taken time to build him up, maybe hold the IC or Hardcore title, before he was in the ring with The Undertaker, Kurt Angle, The Big Show, and John Cena I'd buy into Lesnar more.

:yes:

Brock Sampson> Brock Lesnar

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Lesnar deserved to be in there the with the Main Event. You know, because he was as good/better than them.

:nono:

Brock was GREAT. His run was for too short, but he was losing steam at that point anyways. Had he not left, he would have been misused at some point. At least now we can always think of what if.

as much as i liked him if he had not left we would be sitting around here now complaining about how he is already a 10 time champion with a bad gimmick

Bad gimmick? What gimmick?

IT doesn't matter. Just like Brock Lesnar is a shitty wrestler because he botched something once, they'd find a reason to bitch about him.

Brock Lesnar sucked, for the record.

How can anyone blame Brock for breaking Holly's neck?

Holly deadweighted him. Totally Holly's fault.

If someone is a dick to you by law you cannot break the man's neck.I'm not saying Holly was in the right, but wasn't Brock no selling the entire match?

Pretty sure Brocks Gimmick was that no one could beat him....especially a jobber.

Holly deadweighted him and brock dropped him, didnt mean to break his neck, just happened.

The reason people think that more technical wrestlers carried Brock is that he was never able to fully show us every aspect of his wrestling talent. His character was a powerhouse wrestling machine and that is how he wrestled. He had so much more than we ever really saw, we only ever saw glimpses of what he really had.

And he carried Show to some very memorable matches that I still remember vividly.

I don't believe Lesnar is a complete joke, but the guy he is fighting is the former UFC Heavyweight Champion with year's of fighting under his belt. This will only be Lesnar's second MMA fight. And given Dana White and his matchmakers booking style, it won't seem like Lesnar will get any tune up matches nor will he fight any guys with his simular experience level.

So, Lesnar is jumping in there right off the bat with some of the most experienced and accomplished MMA fighters in the world. So its not difficult to foresee why his future in MMA does not look so promising.

Exactly. It's not like he said "You're being a dick to me, so I get to injure you."

Holly tried to make Lesnar look bad. Lesnar managed to pull off the move anyway. Fourfifty is just reaching for reasons to justify his hatred of Lesnar.

Brock Lesnar has a lot of hype surrounding him going in the UFC; there's no doubting that. He does have a lot to prove, coming from a "fake" sport, as a winner of "fake championships," and with one win over a man who no one considers near the top of the card in today's MMA landscape.

But Brock is a born competitor, he's just an incredible natural athlete. He's a former NCAA wrestling champion, and its a pattern in MMA that great amateur wrestlers make great mixed martial artists.

Lesnar's UFC career is more promising than just about any other young fighter's in that company right now. If Brock can go in there and do what we all know he can do, and be as aggressive, and powerful, and show the stamina we've all seen before, he is going to dominate the UFC heavyweight division. Frank Mir is going to get beaten down.

I miss Brock a lot. I can't wait to see his debut in UFC. I think he is going to mess up Mir. With his strength and wrestling ability he could be a dominant force in the UFC for a long time to come

I really didn't get to see alot of him. He was around in a period when I wasn't really into wrestling. It's a shame, I regret it now.

Alot of the MMA nay-sayers do so strictly because he was a "WWE Superstar". What they don't look at is his real life background. This isn't just a WWE Superstar. This isn't, say, Steve Austin jumping to MMA for a publicity stunt or something. Lesnar is a 4-Time NCAA Champion. He has a better amateur wrestling background than any heavyweight currently under contract with the UFC. So even though I was never a fan of his time in WWE, I hope he goes in and kicks some ass in "real" fighting to shut some people up.

He has a better amatuer wrestling backround than anyone ever, baring an argument for a few other people.

We'll see how he does in a week.

Personally, I hope he does well too but he has a ton of obstacles to overcome.

Side Note.

Brock transitioned into the F-5 from so many different things.

The best was when we reversed the tombstone, then flipped him from the tombstone to a front slam posistion, then threw the Taker up over his head for the F-5 in the Hell in a Cell Match.

Pwned

for those who haven't seen...

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Holy shit that's awesome.

And that's why Brock sucked, he gets the last ride, suddenly he can reserve a tombstone, throw Taker onto his shoulders than hit the F-5, while showing no ill affects what so ever from the match he had. Brock sucked because he didn't know what ring physcology is.

I guess no-selling was part of his gimmick.....

He sold it enough at the end.

It was realistic and worked if you look at it as an adrenaline rush-type of spot.


Either way, Lesnar > All.

Yeah, because it's not like the guy he was wrestling ever no-sold anything.

Atleast it was Taker's gimmick, and even than I don't like it, but for the most part Brock was human, granted other part is roids, but still.

Also, Brock also sucked for alot more reasons than that, but that's just one.

Saying Lesner had no psychology is pretty stupid.

I'm sorry, his matches were masterpieces, next you're going to claim Shawn Michaels isnt the greatest wrestler ever.

Well, I will claim that Michaels isn't.

Because Kurt Angle is.

He actully had several master peices, yeah. And saying "OMG he no sold the last ryde cuz he f-5 him after, he haz no sykolgie!!!111!!' is dumb. Have you ever seen Wrestle Mania 17? The last five minutes of the main event Austin and Rock traded finishers, thats not bad psychology.

Who hasn't, and I forgot that was the only time he no-sold.

Thinking a finisher is the end all be all is.

That was a pretty hefty spot to be entirely Brock's fault. Pretty sure that was a question of overall psychology, and not just a "Brock can't work a match" thing.



Also, maybe I'm retarded, but wouldn't that stumbling and blind, desperate flailing count as selling...? Up until the mandatory last-second "adrenaline rush", of course...?

Oh, you mean the guy who's been wrestling the same match, with the same finishes for the last 2 years is?

I mean, maybe you'd have booked Taker as just spontaneously collapsing so Brock could pin him, but he had to get the fucking turnaround somehow or the match would have to end differently.

How do you figure that one IC?

Angle has a total of 2, maybe 3 finishes that he uses.

Gets beat down - kick out - whipped - flying elbow block - Kip Up - Sweet Chin Music miss - goes for finisher - reversal - SCM.

Sometimes spice it up with a Sharpshooter or Crossface and you have 85% of Shawn Michaels finishes.

thats why they're called finishers. You know, moves that the guy tries to end a match with. hell that's two more than most American wrestlers. It's not about the move, it's the chain of events leading up to the move.

And as Xero pointed out, HBKs trasition are WAY more predicable.