Cena has TEH HEAT with The Rock
 

Yeah heaven forbid someone actually chooses to have success outside of the wrestling business.

Yeah HHH has beef with Rock for doing it to.

Which is pretty ridiclious.

This is my re-post from another thread (regarding this issue).
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Although I don't think Cena's comments are very appropriate, a part of me does see where he's coming from. In that sense, I 'agree' and 'disagree' with Cena.

For one thing - I don't think The Rock owes the WWE anything....nor does the WWE owe The Rock anything. Both 'parties' have done more than their fair share for one another. It's a free country, and The Rock can do whatever he wants (and Cena understands this).

Here's what I don't get though: The Rock, despite supposedly LOVING the WWE and the WWE fans, has done almost NOTHING WWE related. ONE brief "video-taped" promo for last years Wrestlemania....period.

Now, does The Rock "owe" the WWE more than that? No - The Rock doesn't owe the WWE anything. However - I am still perplexed that The Rock has chosen NOT to do more for the WWE and the WWE fans......you know, the people and industry that he supposedly loves.

It's tough for me (and John Cena for that matter) to comment on The Rock, since we don't know how busy his schedule really is.

Still - One would THINK that he would have atleast a little more time to make more WWE appearances......if he really wanted to do so.

Pretend that there are two childhood friends (we'll call them Rocky and John ;)) that grow up with one another. They hit high school. Rocky starts hanging out with the "cool kids"....while John, isn't accepted. Rocky barely acknowledges John at school now since he hangs with the cool kids......yet Rocky continues to tell everyone how much he loves John (non-gay way).

Can we really blame John for being a little confused/bewildered?

Just my $0.02

Why should he have to?

I agree with Heyman completely.

This is just a work for Cena to get more heat in building his heel turn.

The rocks earned all my respect and can do what the fuck he wants, supercunt on the other hand should shut the fuck up and show abit more respect to people like the rock.

Why do you feel that way?

The Rock does not OWE the company a damn thing.

Its nothing but a business move. He's trying to distance himself from wrestling so he can be taken seriously as an actor. Like how he's trying to get over as Dwayne Johnson now instead of The Rock.

He probably still loves wrestling and would love to do things more often, but its just good business and that keeps him away.

Yes I know that a lot of celebrities go onto wrestling and it is no big deal. This, however, is a case of a wrestler trying to become known as an actor and not "wrestler turned actor" or "actor wrestler".

The Rock doesn't owe the company anything. It doesn't say ANYWHERE in some unwritten rule of the WWE that someone who wrestled for the WWE HAS to come back. The man did what he did and it kind of reminds me of Michael Jordan in a way: When he left the first time, he was on TOP. His legacy was like none other. The second time he showed up, he did it because he couldn't stay away from the game. HOWEVER, it didn't take him long to realize that you've done what you needed to do, he didn't owe the NBA ANYTHING and he left out STILL with a memorable exit.

The Rock is kind of the same way. He left, maybe not as hot as he was in 2000, but was still one of the greatest names ever to be in the WWE. The 2nd time he came back, he was anticipated just like Jordan and was received well like Jordan. But you can't keep leaving, coming back, leaving, and coming back. You don't want to tarnish a strong legacy such as Jordan/Johnson so let the fans appreciate what he is doing now and what he has done for the business.

I don't dislike Cena for this, because i kind of see where he is coming, but other than a ONE TIME ONLY big Rock/Hogan-ish type of thing, i kind of don't want to see The Rock come back full time like that. I mean, he is one of my favs EVER and one of my inspirations, but like i said with Jordan, if he came back again, people would like it at first, but then be like "...ok, its getting old" or "he's got the same phrases/lines or whatever.."

The Rock is the Ali of wrestling imo (minus the politics), and we saw how Ali looked in his later years in the ring. I swear to God if people booo or think low of Johnson because he didn't "come back" or whatever then fuck those "fans". Bunch of lames. Lol that man did more for that company than Hogan, HBK, Hart, and many others WITHOUT BACKSTAGE POLITICS :y:

Cena's just Jealous because we all agree that The Peoples Elbow is just in a way better league than the "5 knuckle shuffle". Despite them both being fairly silly moves in wrestling.

The problem is... The Rock is/was and always will be The Rock and Cena is The Rock's Replacement.

Rock and Stone Cold leaving earlier than usual for ME stars hurt WWE a lot and left a hole that needs filling, and soon...

I can accept that I will never see The Rock wrestle again unless something odd happens or Vince throws the cash his way. But it wouldn't hurt him to cut the odd promo, or just be seen in the crowd watching. The Rock as a heel GM who is far too busy to come to WWE live and so tapes/transmits from wherever he is filming could be a great angle, easy to work, and they don't even have to wait until he's free. I mean he could film a 5 minute segment pretty much anywhere.

Also would the odd Rock Bottom hurt? SCSA is in far worse condition and still busts out the occasional stunner, the one to santino was hilarious.

But...I'm still gonna mark like a little girl at the HOF. And when he comes nstage at WM.

He doesn't.

As I stated in my post, The Rock doesn't owe the WWE...anything. Similarly, the WWE doesn't owe The Rock...anything. John Cena understands this as well.

Where Cena and *I* see eye-to-eye on however, is our shared feeling of 'puzzlement' in regards to The Rock. The Rock claims that he loves the WWE and the WWE fans, but has only made ONE video-taped appearance in the last few years.

Now - I have no idea what Rock's Hollywood schedule is like (nor does Cena). Maybe he DOESN"T have time to make more WWE appearances....for the fans/industry that he "truly loves" (which is why I found Cena's comments to be a little inappropriate....since he himself doesn't know what Rock's schedule is like).

However (and this is just a GUESS on my part) - I think The Rock....if he really wanted to.....could have made many more appearances than he has.

Does The Rock owe the WWE anything? Absolutely not.

Does The Rock love the WWE, the wrestling industry, and the WWE fans as much as he says he does? This in my opinion (and in Cena's opinion), is very questionable. But again - NONE of us know how busy The Rock's schedule really is.

The thing about The Rock was that he was funny every time, and he did pick up new catch phrases quite quickly. Its The Rock, not Cena't'all

Just because you love something, does not mean you have to do it as a career.

The Rock may love wrestling, but he is focusing on his career as a LEGIT ACTOR. Michael Jordan may love basketball and he may love the Chicago Bulls, but does that mean he should come out of retirement to play for them again?

He wants to concentrate on acting which he is very successful at, so why should he just randomly pop up without rhyme or reason?

I'm more inclined to agree with Johnny Vegas (speaking of which, I thought his original post was very well thought out, but I digress...).

The Rock, much like Cena, was "restricted" as a face in terms of being obligated to repeat certain catchphrases.

It was only as heels (and maybe at the very start of their respective 'face' turns when they still had 'heelish' personna's) that both The Rock and Cena were TRULY creative on the mic.

The fans actually turned on The Rock since he became VERY predictable/stale as a face (The Rock then won all his fans back when he returned as a heel in 03', and was creative as hell).

I put Cena in the same boat. Cena right now, is STALE as hell as a face....and is being (for whatever reason) "restricted" on what he can say. If you turn the guy heel though, he'll be far more creative (and much like The Rock in 03', will probably start getting cheered).

Just my $0.02.

No, most of the fans turned on The Rock when they knew he was about to leave again to film another movie.

I see what you're saying, but I just don't think it's a 1-1 analogy.

First off - Jordan is too old! He loves basketball, but his body won't follow. If Jordan was 15 years younger, OFCOURSE he'd be playing basketball with the Bulls.

The Rock on the other hand, is still very physically capable of wrestling (although I realize that this wasn't the reason why brought up the Jordan analogy). Even if he wasn't wrestling, why can't the guy just cut more promos, etc.?

Having said that, I agree with Johnny Vegas (and you) in the sense that The Rock shouldn't just randomly pop up without rhyme or reason (and in effect, perhaps tarnish his legacy). And again - none of us know the actual time demands of Hollywood.

Who knows? - maybe this is a 'worked shoot'?!?! (and the WWE and The Rock are privately trying to set-up a Cena/Rock match for Backlash?). Cena's bashing of The Rock did seem a little 'out of character' (or 'in character' depending on your perspective ;)).

Why should he come back just to cut promos or compete in pointless matches? He would end up becoming just like Mick Foley.

"Hey, I'm back. Go see my movie. If ya smell what The Rock is cooking."

Agreed. It's actually funny that you use the Mick Foley comparison (I was going to mention him myself).

Now that I think about it - I am a bit more understanding of why The Rock hasn't made more appearances.

However - I still think the fans turned on The Rock due to the staleness of his character. After The Rock's heel turn in 03', the fans were once again eating out his hand (despite knowing full well that The Rock would be going back to Hollywood).

f anything, Vince owes the Rock.

The only thing left for The Rock to do in professional wrestling is make money and destroy his body.

Now he has a chance to keep himself healthy while making more money than pro wrestling could ever dream of providing him.

Yeah, I guess you guys are right. Having a change of mind. I can kinda understand where Cena is coming from though.

If I recall The Rock's last run in 2003 he put over Booker T (who the WWE then jobbed out to HHH at WM 19), The Hurricane (who the WWE did nothing with) and Goldberg (who then wore Goldusts' wig).

I'm not counting his one match WM appearence in 2004.

Cena is a jerk to say anything like that about The Rock.

I agree with Cena

i agree with Destor, who just happens to agree with John Cena.

QFT

Heyman and SammyG did not say that he did.

I agree with them, and I agree with Lock Jaw. The Rock doesn't owe the WWE anything, but for someone who says that he misses the fans, and loves the atmosphere, he doesn't act like it.

The Rock shouldn't have to come back, certainly not, but you'd think he'd want to. Of course, as LJ said, it's just a business move so he doesn't get referred to as "The Rock" for his entire career in Hollywood.

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Lol. Under all that bullshit he has sort of a point. Rock's basically been totally absent of a company that could desperately use his presence. But Cena's whole argument fails because he's comparing Rocky to himself, and that the Rock elevated the buisness while Cena is weighing it down.

He does sort of have a point, except I would argue even the Rock wouldn't really save this sinking ship. And then, his point only extends to a certain extent. After all, the likes of Stone Cold and the Rock and so on made the business huge. and Vince took the ball and ran with it...Deep into his own end zone. This business is faltering in a way no one person can really fix right now, and while the company could really use his presence, it shouldn't need it. They have amazing talent--Much of it still leftovers from the Attitude Era, and they've failed to elevate anyone to that level, though they've had many chances.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a "worked shoot" (meaning that The Rock might say something retailiatory towards Cena at the WWE Hall of Fame...which could lead to a match at Backlash).

If it's not a worked shoot, then I wouldn't be surprised if Vince told Cena to say that.

A few years back, I also suspect that Vince instructed Flair to make negative comments about Bret in his book. I'm pretty sure Vince encouraged HBK to do the same as well (all in an effort, to perhaps draw Bret back into the WWE).

While I'm on the subject of HBK/Bret/Vince, I *highly* doubt that HBK was the mastermind behind the whole Screwjob scenario. I still think it was Vince.

But getting back to my point.....I wouldn't be surprised if Cena's comment was a worked shoot, or an instruction from Vince. Don't underestimate the pettiness of Vince McMahon.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S ALL SO CLEAR! THE ROCK IS COMING BACK AND IS GOING TO FEUD WITH CENA. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

OMG!!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!!! :drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

Puhlease. Look, no one would mark out more than this individual if the Great One returned. If he does - great. If he doesn't - fine, I've accepted that it's probably not gonna happen anyway, but seriously, as much as it annoyed me that he didn't make an appearance at Raw's 15th he owes us nothing. He owes the WWE nothing. He had a contract with the WWE and abided by that contract. That contract has now expired. The guy has moved onto another career path that involves:
(a) more money
(b) lighter working schedule and
(c) less risk of serious/permanent physical injury

In all honesty, could any one of us say with hand on heart that we would not do exactly the same thing if the opportunity presented itself?

Yes, that's very true. Remember when people really literally thought that Jericho would save wrestling? But still, WWE is in shabby condition especially comparitive to the Rock's prime, and he's just off in Hollywood. Could he really do much? Not by himself. Is he trying? Nope. Am I mad at him? Nope. Does Cena have some sort of idea wrapped deep in his hypocracy? Yep.

If Rock does come back and feud with Cena for a little, with The Rock winning of course, then I will give you all the most electrifying blowjobs in sports gaytertainment.

Cena and wreslting need the Rock more then the Rock will ever need wrestling. The Rock is like the only wrestler ever to actually be successful at something other then wrestling. Look at every other past wrestler. Once there done with wrestling, that's it. The Rock has excelled in moving past wrestling and actually shines a bright light on the sport most people piss on. I love telling non wrestling fans that "yea, The Rock was actually a wrestler way back when" and there like "really, huh." It's great to have had him associated with wrestling.

Hey I would love to see Cena/Rock. That's a great promo feud. But for Cena to blast the guy like that, well fuck him.

He can't save wrestling on his own. But he can be damn entertaining, in fact a thought occurs.

WWF when it was wrestling, had the best wrestlers in the world. WWE does not have the greatest entertainers in the world. Just a thought. The Rock was both a great wrestler, and a great entertainer. WWE is now focussing on being entertainment, but isn't really any good at it, WWE should go back to wrestlng.

I always thought Rock was the greatest thing since sliced bread (check that, not always, cant say I thought that during the whole Rocky Maivia run, but you know what I mean).

Anyway, someone touched on the real reason he isnt around, and it has to do with the fact that he doesnt want to be associated with wrestling, because the stigma is its bad for his career as a movie star. The belief is that if he kept going back to WWE he would be thought of as a pro wrestler who does movies, rather than a legit movie star.

One could argue this is faulty logic because the biggest opening he ever did was for Scorpion King, which was during his run in WWE. However its also fair to point out that nowadays, you hear less and less questions to him about his days in tights rolling around with sweaty men. So I can see both sides of the arguement.

I believe he's even dropped "The Rock" from his name when he's listed in a movie. I think I recall reading that going forward he's just going to be "Dwayne Johnson". So clearly its a strategy by his people to separate The Rock the pro wrestler from Dwayne Johnson the movie star.

Lets face it, the movies is a far more lucrative business to be in. Rock can make in one movie what very guys make in an entire career in pro wrestling. So it makes sense for him to ensure that the movie career is not jeopardized.

Going back and forth to the WWE would not help in this regard, because people would still recognize him for being a WWE superstar and they would see the crazy antics that go on during the show, and he would be lumped in with all that. For the sake of Rock's career do you think he's better off being photographed for People magazine hanging out with George Clooney at some big movie premiere, or chasing around a midget dressed like a leprachaun?

Its also understandable that people who have to bust their ass every night to make a small fraction of what he makes in a year would be a little jealous of what he has going for him.

Here's another way to look at it. Say a porn star somehow makes it huge in Hollywood. Would you expect that porn star to go back and do the occasional gangbang scene every 6 months or so just to show she still loves the business she came from and still loves her fans? Or would you be cool with sitting down with a box of tissues, some lotion and a stack of her old tapes to enjoy her past success?

Not saying RAW is PORN, because thats been said before, but you get my point.

Again, I wouldn't call Rock's movie career a success, especially not to his standards. He's been at it for several years and he's only a D/C list actor. He'll still make more money on one movie than I would in many many years, but it doesn't seem like anyone in Hollywood with any power respects him. He's stll "The Rock from the WWE".

I miss the Rock.

He's not a top A-list actor yet but I don't consider him as low as C/D. He's about a B+. C/D actors get small roles or are in direct to TV/DVD films. The Rock has starred in many of his own movies with lots of very known actors. I would say he is very successful. Not Will Smith/Tom Cruise successful but you get the point.

I love Walking Tall and the other one that's just like Walking Tall. The one with the American Pie kid

The Run Down lol

The Rundown is a pretty good action movie in my opinion. I just watched it two nights ago actually, and its a movie I can watch repeatedly without getting bored of it.

Walking Tall was pretty good as well and I think his Disney movie did pretty well.

Hes going to be in the Get Smart remake and that stars Steve Carrell and Anne Hathaway, two pretty well known actors/tresses that wont win an Oscar but are pretty well know. Id say his acting career has been pretty successful, and hey he even got to present at the Oscars. Never thought id see the Rock even associated with the Oscars.

I didnt care for Scorpion King or Be Cool.

Cena needs to STFU

What pisses me off is that Cena claims to love the our fans, yet he hasn't politicked his way out of the title scene. Which is good for him. Just don't f**k me around and tell me you love this when you hold the belt for three years.

I knew that was coming anyway so I just wanted to put it out there.

Cena isn't fit to shine The Rock's shoes.

His whole tirade smacks of jealousy. Jealousy that The Rock is far far more of a mainstream star than Cena will ever be. Also, Dwayne can act a bit - something that Cena can't do to any believable effect.

Did 'The Marine' break Top 10 in the US box office? Don't really know, but how many of Rock's movies went to No.1? Most of them. Including the typical 'Disney one where big action man is thrust into parental responsibility'? Says it all.

The Rock owes the WWE nothing. He was a heavy participant in the boom-period and is one of the bonafide stars to be created WHILE STILL IN the business and recognised as such. He brought the WWE worldwide publicity, was a household name and made Vince a fucking load of money. Perhaps Rock wanted to be an actor MORE than a wrestler? Happens in life. If the same oppotunity presented Cena, would he turn it down? Would he fuck.

The people on here criticising, along with Cena/Trips are criticising for one reason and one reason alone. The product is total shit. Has been since The Rock left. Hunter hasn't had a decent feud since he left. Had we had years of top quality entertainment, then people wouldn't bat an eyelid.

The Rock is a legend who moved on to other things of which he excels at and makes lots of money doing those things rather ruining a legacy like Austin & Foley have. Good fucking on him.

Fuck Cena. I didn't think it possible, but I hate him even more.

Yeah, the Rundown was a good action movie, though a bit short. Walking Tall was great, though a lot short. The guy's doing well for himself. As BDC said, you don't do Disney movies as a D-Rate movie star. I love the entitlement that gets people up on their high horses bitching about the Rock.

Gridiron Gang was the goods

Rock is the best actor who has ever been a wrestler.

Cena is about on the same tier as Hogan, if you ask me.

Cena's better than Hogan, though how much is debatable.

I rather agree with Cena. I don't care if the Rock wants to act rather than wrestle, and I won't be sad if I never see him in the ring again. I just don't want to hear him go on about how much he LOVES wrestling and LOVES WWE when he can't be arsed to show up once in a while.

And at the same time, just like he says in that video up there, if he doesn't WANT to be in WWE, he shouldn't be. He's better to stay away if that's his attitude.

You can love something and not want to spend the rest of your life on it.

Yeah like hos and bitches. Love em and leave em.

I wish John Cena would leave for a movie career.

Hey, everybody's doing it....
 

What Cena doesn't get is that the Rock has to seperate himself from pro wrestling, otherwise hollywood will look down on him.

That's bullshit.

Lol. Standard = Good. I guess that's succesful. No one mentioned Doom, which I forgot about myself. And he holds the record for highest salary for his first starring role.

Also, apparently The Great Khali will also be in Get Smart. Which I guess makes more sense than it originally looks like it does.

THE ROCK SAYS

I don't mention Doom because I would never watcxh said piece of shit.

I wonder about that though. I don't necessarily have the opinion that he has to separate himself to be taken seriously, but...

If you look at his movies, none of them have been bad. Most (I think) have made money, I don't have numbers due to utter laziness, but the movies haven't been critically destoryed, they've made money, none of the roles have been joke roles and he's a solid actor.

There has to be SOME reason why he isn't more of a mainstream figure in Hollywood

That could be said of many actors who AREN'T former pro wrestlers, though.

That's Bullshit.

No, no it isn't.

that probably would've sounded funnier if you said entergayment, tbh

I am over my "SCREW YOU ROCK" phase everybody went through in 04 and 05. I really would love to see a Cena/Rock fued so Cena can get eaten alive on the mic.

this is the peoples champ kickin it with the refugee camp do you smell what the rock is cookin

Did everyone really go through a "Screw You Rock" phase? Because seriously, I just thought it was an isolated group of assclowns.

And do what, use his 'roids only after being acquired by the Red Sox?:shifty:

You couldn't be more wrong here.

How is he not a success in comparison to his own standards?

He is more than a "D/C list actor" and he has more respect in Hollywood than you have any idea about pal. He has serious respect there and has already shifted the wrestling guy acting tag. Drawing as much as he has at the box office demands respect.

Let's see:

The Scorpion King is rated 39% on Rotten Tomatoes. Pretty bad, right?

The Marine gets a 21% rating.

RT says that the Scorpion King scored 90 million at the Box Officer.

The Marine? 18 million.

The Rock? Makes Money, he may not be George Clooney, but he's okay.

Cena? He's a joke. He's a carnie talking bitter about a guy who was his better in wrestling, and also in filmmaking, if only in the sense that he sucks less.

So one's retarded, and the other's more rainman.

WWE films didn't kick start Dwayne Johnson's acting career. And didn't Game Plan just do like $120 million? If that's not successful, what is?

60 billion jiggawatts.

Or something :$