CM Punk
 

Here is my opinion on this guy, now take this as constructive criticizm. But I don't think this guy fits in WWE. Now things have changed since the end of 2006, and the face of WWE has changed. I find the cat extremely overrated, and boring. Plus I find him to be quite the trashbag of a person in real-life, so what do you all think?

Prepare to be flamed by the fan boys.

Yay, just what we needed. Another CM Punk thread.

Well, I'm a bit split.

I dont find him to be boring, I actually like his style and find it pretty refreshing but I DO think he gets overrated too much on the net.

So in terms of a wrestler I like him.

Obviously I dont know him as a person, but from what ive read and from what he looks like, he does pretty much look like a pretentious prick so that detracts from me getting into his face character and all...but I dont know that for SURE, and I enjoy him as a wrestler, so I think he fits pretty well...just really overrated on the net thats all.

I just laugh at the fanboys.:yes:

He's pretty cool. Ending his streak against Hardcore Holly was a stupid move, and his recent run of legitmate losses to Chavo are pretty shitty, but other than that I've enjoyed him in the WWE. I think the Anaconda Vice looked cooler than GO2SLEEP. But GTS sounds cooler than Anaconda Vice. Take what you will from that.

I've only seen his WWE work, but I've liked him so far. I agree that his loss to Holly was crap and that the GTS looks like shit, but I think the feud with Chavo is gonna help both guys in the end. I've really enjoyed their matches.

Who are you again?

In real life, Punk is a saint.

:shifty:

Im a little lost here, how exactly has the WWE changing since 2006 made him not fit in?

Personaly I dont see a lot of wrestling anymore so judging a full opinion of him is very hard but hes popular, his matches look good and he has a unique wrestling based look to him.

I dont know he will ever be an Austin or a Rock but I could easily see him getting a world title in the next two years.

And just out of curiosity how do you find him a trashbag of a person in real life? Did he personaly come piss in your cornflakes or did a freind of a mate whos sisters brothers cousin knows him say so?

Well I am a person who posts on this discussion forum, similar to you.;)

I just don't see how this guy is so over, and is yet to really show anything great. I don't blame Punk for all of that neccassarily, but he's still overrated.

I agree with what you say, as far as the heel turn goes and also a title run in the future. Though he loses some matches that he really shouldn't, to me it seems like he is going to be pushed as a top star in the coming years. I think once they realize how much better he can be for them as a heel, he is going to become huge. The look he portrays as a heel, I think he can get great heat.

Heel Punk > Face Punk

Also for the statement made by the thread starter about him being a trashbag, do you even know him? Because if you don't, why make the statement?

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To add my 2 cents to this thread: I like CM Punk. Obviously being on ECW has kept him away from proper rivalries with big names, but in time he will have some killer fueds with people like Edge, Orton, Michaels, HHH, Kennedy, MVP, Jericho, Hardy etc.

His WWE stuff is watered down (for obvious reasons), but try and find some of his ROH stuff. Truly awesome. I didn't enjoy this FIP matches but his ROH matches were amazing.

Don't know him as a person so can't say, I've seen footage of him signing autographs etc, seems friendly enough I guess.

lol 'constructive criticism'..yeah, sorry but just saying 'he's shit' isn't that constructive.

Overrated, nothing special, crowd apathetic to him.

He's CM Punk.

Wait...I thought he was the most over guy in WWE today?

Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument. Or even a bad argument.

This man speaks the truth.

You know, I suppose he could be the most over guy and still have the crowd be apathetic towards him. ;)

Touché

heh?

He has lost a fair amount of heat during his burial, let's be fair.

And before people start saying "he was ECW champ", "you can't win every match" etc. you don't have to be jobbed out to be buried. Look at Goldberg.

And his overness was exxagerated from the beginning.

:eek: When was that photo of Shelton Benjamin taken?

Yeah, the guy got a great reaction after his debut, continued to get good face reactions, got his name chanted over all the other "massive" faces at Survivor Series '06, and continues to be over despite often questionable booking of him.

Honestly, why can't people accept that CM Punk is just over? Granted, he has lost a lot of heat, recently, but the fans still, for the most part, reaction positively to the guy. That's more than what most guys on the roster get.

As for what CM Punk does at WrestleMania? I'm actually thinking we'll get Chavo Guerrero vs. CM Punk for the ECW Championship in an I Quit Match. I can just see their feud heating up between now and WrestleMania, and an I Quit Match seems like the most obvious "gimmick" to throw at the two.

Well, there's also Extreme Rules, but that doesn't seem "special" enough to blow off this feud, which has already had a bit of a hardcore match going for it, in the "Gulf of Mexico Match." I Quit is becoming a bit of a trademark for Chavo, and Punk is being tenacious in his chasing of the belt, so Chavo trying to get Punk to say "I quit" would make sense from a storyline point of view.

If Chavo and Punk get to work an I Quit Match at WrestleMania, I actually think it will be the sleeper match of the night, and would be great for both guys' careers.

As for what Punk should do post-WrestleMania, I think staying on ECW is actually the best thing for him. ECW and SmackDown! are pretty much conjoined brands right now. Punk can appear on SmackDown! whilst technically remaining with ECW. And Punk pretty much is ECW. Punk should be ECW Champion coming out of Mania, and a feud with Shelton Benjamin that elevates both men to main event level on the ECW/SmackDown! side of things would be great. A tease of an ECW Champion/World Heavyweight Champion rivalry would be interesting, too.

And of course, Noid's got Punk's cock thoroughly lodged in his throat, so he's going to be completely dishonest about things. Again.

:wtf: I'm not nearly as big on Punk as so many other people here. And yeah, I lied my ass off about Punk's reactions, I guess. Video proof that the events happened isn't nearly good enough.

Punk is VERY over. Saying he isn't is pretty stupid.

Also, I agree that Punk doesn't fit in the WWE.

No he doesn't, but I rather just pay a cable bill to watch him then chuck out money to a company that produced the Age Of Fall.

But Punk was one of the main players in ROH when it was the most awesome thing on the planet, besides a blowjob of course.

I find him pretty boring now, they need to turn him heel and freshen him up somehow.

Also, GTS is such a shit finish, almost as bad as Polumbo's full throttle.

I have no problem with the GTS, I just wish he started using the Vice again.

Sorry, I should explain myself more fully - crowds on Raw and PPV's (other than ones where he uses DX catchphrases and has the benefit of two of the most over teams in WWE history in the ring with him, while being in his home town) are apathetic.

The piped in crowd LOVE him.

The piped in crowd for a live ECW show? OK addy....and Philly isn't Punk's hometown.

He gets a solid reaction on ECW...cause he's the only decent thing going on the brand, put him on PPV you see that a lot of people don't watch ECW. Going to Smackdown following the Chavo feud would be the best thing for him.

I also agree that he should bring back the Vice

You're right...That's physically impossible!

(I'll ignore the fact that as someone who trained for four years as an electronics technician and acoustic engineer, I could probably fucking do it myself, for the sake of humouring the tards.)

Well of course it's possible, considering WCW was doing it for Goldie, and WWE did it for Cena on a couple occasions.

Punk's pop isn't dubbed in...mainly cause it's not a huge rockstar pop, or the standard WWE "one woman screams loudly with a mild pop behind it" dub.

Why must people assume its a dubed pop? You really think he can't pull in that type of reaction?

Of course he can't, he's an overrated wrestler, average on the mic, and you're a retard for thinking overwise. No one likes him

You know what Inno, you are completely right. Thank you for showing me the light

Mmmm...Strawmen...

:lol: cmon KK it's one of the only things we disagree on

BTW, WWE really needs to get a new dub in pop, cause everyone on Smackdown gets the same reaction...except for Undertaker and Edge

i like heel cm punk.

Yeah heel Punk would be great, put him on Smackdown and turn him. Team him with MVP and you have Team Better Than You

he just has that smugness/cockiness/attitude about him at all times that lends itself to making a great heel. him as a face just doesn't feel right.

Punk needs to start doing the Vyce again.

Heel Punk, especially during the Summer of Punk/2005, was just awesome. He can piss the crowd off and make you want to see him get his ass kicked, which is the point of being heel in the first place

that fucking heel turn. probably the best turn i've ever seen.

When he turns heel, he needs to do it by turning on Matt Hardy who should hopefully be US Champ by then.

Him, MVP, and Edge should form a stable called Team EMP (Edge, Montell, Punk).

Especially when it coincided with Daniels's return

That'd make Smackdown the best show....no wait it already is

Not saying you're a moron, or that we're arch enemies. I'm just calling it a strawman because, well, it is.

Oversimplified? yes...that was kind of the point

What would make it even better is if it eventually leads to Punk and MVP turning on Edge.

If they don't pussifiy a babyface Edge, I could really see him getting over and having a good feud with both Punk and MVP.

It'd elevate MVP up also, if they stay the course with him he's gonna be huge

I fear if they turn Edge face, they'd ruin him fast.

The way I see, if/when Punk goes heel it will be his "Better Than You" sXe gimmick. Edge's Rated R Character is basically the opposite of that. They could so totally play that up with Punk saying that Edge was too worried about sleeping with random sluts and out partying to care about his career.

Or better yet, keep Punk and Edge together while turn MVP babyface instead.

No, it wasn't really a strawmen. Inno's point was that Punk is over, and he is. Granted, you didn't say that Punk is a bad wrestler, but you did pretty much state that he's not over (crowds are apathetic to him).

I'm fairly certain that CM Punk will be walking out of WrestleMania ECW Champion. What I'd love to see is a "Champion's Alliance" between Edge (WHC), CM Punk (ECWC) and MVP (USC). Imagine how much of a mark out moment it'd be if Edge ended The Undertaker's streak (which won't happen, but neither will a Punk heel turn) because of assist from CM Punk and MVP at WrestleMania.

Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins remain on-call as Edge's lackeys. You could maybe call up Colt Cabana to be CM Punk's guy. MVP can start touring with his own entourage. Not too many guys. Maybe just Atlas DaBone, or a remodeled Deuce N' Domino. It'd be a pretty big stable, but it'd have a hierarchy. Edge, Punk and MVP, as the Champions, would be the generals of the group.

Chavo Guerrero can turn face (I personally think he makes a sympathetic babyface), and can continue his feud with CM Punk, or he can go after Edge. Maybe have Edge dump Vickie Guerrero because he no longer "needs" her, which pisses off Chavo? Or you can just move Guerrero to RAW, don't have him revert back to his Kerwin White character, and become a solid mid-carder. An Intercontinental Title reign for Chavo would be a lot of fun, in my opinion.

CM Punk threads get reactions

at least we know that

I don't like you, i don't like cm punk

I don't like you either. I don't like CM Chump either.

:rofl:

It's funny because Punk is an isult on it own.

CM McPeePants

CM J0bber!!!111!!

I only don't like you for making a thread about your hate for CM Punk, i openly hate him... in threads that mention him not threads about him, that is why i hate you, you stupid fuck :mad: :foc:

MORE LIKE CM FLUNK

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

Kanoid :lol:

So you're calling me stupid, which is like the cow calling the dalmation spotted, when I make this thread about how much I despise that piece of overrated cow manuer(sp?) CM Chump? I just don't get it.

That's a pretty awful saying. I've seen cows that aren't spotted. I've never seen a dalmatian that wasn't. Wait, are you albino?

Rep for being the first explanation of why people talk down about Punk's reaction at SS. If they were going to add in reactions for a guy, though, why would they choose CM Punk over DX? Ah well.

CM Spunk was my first CM Punk name play.

You mean you really have missed every time someone spelled it out to you explicitly? It's not you "playing your gimmick," you really missed all them posts directed at you, including ones you replied to?

Man, that's actually kind of sad.

Afterlife, I'd point out to you that this is the only time I've mentioned the possibility of an edited pop, but I don't think you actually deal in facts when you whine about me. I wasn't even saying Punk's pop was piped in, I just think it's utterly ridiculous for someone to assert it was a live show as a reason that it wasn't/couldn't have been. I mean, aside from the technology being available, we know WWE pipes in reactions big and small, things which are demonstrable and true.

I know that the facts, the truth, won't sway you, but I feel obliged to say it anyway, because your strawmen seem to get more ridiculous every time you complain about me. I mean, it's not even that hard to find a real reason to bitch about me. I'm an asshole, and a smug one at that. But to repeatedly make up shit just to have something to complain about? To consistently miss my points in a way only you and Noid seem able to do? Yeah, sorry, but you're smarter than that.

But for your benefit, I'll say one last thing: Arguing that something is not impossible is not the same as arguing that something actually happened. I mean, I could talk about the Magic Bullet theory, and the principles behind it, but it doesn't mean I believe in a second gunman taking Kennedy down with such a bullet.

WWE can affect the sound of a live show in myriad fashions. That doesn't mean I'm saying it happned with Punk; only that anyone who asserts the improbability based on it being a live show alone is a fool. Hopefully, that's plain English enough for you.

Pretty much every Kane Knight post summed up there^^^
Make your mind up numbnuts. And just admit you're wrong about the Punk SS pop...you've been embarassing yourself for long enough now.

He seemed so over on Monday night :shifty:

No its not the cow calling the dalmation spotted you ingorent hick, you made a thread expressing your hate of cm punk, where as i hate him when he's brought up in other threads, theres a difference because i don't make cm punk threads nor do i hunt for his name in others, christ your stupid

Find me one I replied to, because I honestly do not remember it. All I remember is me asking you what's with the sarcasm directed at Punk out-popping DX and The Hardys, and you dancing around it with responses like "I don't need to explain it, if you can't get it, you don't deserve to know." You might have gone on to say something after that, but I never read it, so I don't know how I replied to it.

Weren't you explaining the sarcastic KK side of the "CM Punk out-popped DX" thing? If you weren't I apologise.

What the fuck? See, I don't get this. He was over on RAW. Granted, he didn't get an Austin/Rock pop, but who does these days. "zOmg, the crowd was dead wen hbk came out...he must not be ova1" Punk got a nice pop, and the fans got behind him in the match. The man is over.

I would not put it past the WWE to pipe in reactions, but I sincerely doubt the Survivor Series pop Punk got was piped-in. Why would they choose CM Punk when Triple H and Shawn Michaels were right there? As if Triple H and Michaels would be cool with that? I believe CM Punk went on to play the face-in-peril in that match, if I remember correctly. Why have Punk look so good at the beginning of the match only to then have him be the weakest link in a unanimously victorious team?

CM Punk also found his momentum immediately switched after the event. I believe he jobbed to Hardcore Holly as early as that week. Then he was first eliminated from the Extreme Elimination Chamber. Yes, I do believe these were punishments for being more over than DX.

Please do not turn that into "Cm Punk should unify every title at Wrestlemania including Women's!!1" It's not. Punk jobbing to Holly and then being first banished from the Elimination Chamber was just horrible booking, though. Punk should have beaten Holly, and then outlasted Big Show, Hardcore Holly and Test in the Elimination Chamber. A case could be made for him surviving past Rob Van Dam, as well, but let's assume that we do hold back on Punk a little.

Afterlife, I do believe there is a third camp in the CM Punk discussion: The man is good, and that he will be successful in the WWE. Despite questionable booking of the man, the WWE has been pushing him up the ranks, and haven't ruined him yet. Vince also mentions him as one of the stars of the future.

I agree that it was a fluke. It was a smart crowd who wanted to see the ROH guy do well. Punk would be lucky to get another reaction like that in Chicago given how WWE crowds are these days.

I wouldn't even call it outpopping DX. The crowd started chanting for Punk before Triple H talked, Trips stopped, let them chant, then included Punk into the DX shtick. Punk wasn't even the weakest link on the team, pretty sure he eliminated someone.

He did, last night.

Made Morrison tap to....THE VICE!

He didn't "out-pop" DX at all. He did get a chant, sure. His actual pop when he made his entrance was okay, wasn't as big as DX's though. The chant started small and grew, but wasn't he in his hometown too? Doubt very much he was "punished" for getting a chant in his home town.

Nah it was Philly

BUT HE WRESTLED THERE BEFORE!

That = Hometown

Didn't you hear?

I get what you're saying, but I would consider it out-popping, in the sense that the fans chose to run with CM Punk. Granted, they all might have liked all the guys in the ring, and they weren't exactly booing the others, but Punk did steal the spotlight away for a second.

And Punk did eliminate Johnny Nitro, I believe, but everyone on "Team DX" had a hand in eliminating someone. HBK more so than anyone, although Mike Knox was a freebie.

I think Punk may have been the guy to get beat down the most on the face team, though. I may be wrong, however.

He wasn't in his hometown. He was just over. And I agree with what you were saying, but I think it depends on what you classify as "out-popping." He did get a reaction that was, at one stage, overwhelmingly bigger than any of the other guys in the match. It wasn't a Rock/Hogan in Toronto thing, though.

A little off-topic, though: I would love to see Rock/Hogan again in Toronto. I bet roles are reversed, and I'd get endless joy out of it.

That's exactly it. I know I used the word "punishment," and you're rebutting to it, but that's exactly it. Punk was too over for Vince to handle, so he tried to kill his heat. Not completely, of course, but when you have a guy get a reaction like that, the obvious thing to do is, you know, capitalise on it?