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TPWW's Favorite Wrestler: Round 1
Alright, this is pretty self explanitory. Post Who you like better out of the match ups. In a week or so once people have stopped posting this will close and we'll move on to the next round. Like I said the brackets were decided by the votes a wrestler got in the nominations. Get to it.
1. Shawn Micheals vs Ultimo Dragon 2. Mr. Perfect vs Mickie James 3. Big Show vs Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle vs Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero vs Ken Kennedy 6. Lance Storm vs Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton vs AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit vs Takeshi Morishima 9. Undertaker vs John Cena 10. Sting vs Brock Lesnar 11. Raven vs Vader 12. HHH vs Smaoa Joe 13. Kevin Nash vs Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Amazing Kong 15. Scott Hall vs KENTA 16. Bret Hart vs Nigel McGuiness 17. Mic Foley vs Harley Race 18. MVP vs Arn Anderson 19. Taz vs Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair vs Rey Mysterio 21. The Ultimate Warrior vs Alex Shelly 22. Booker T vs Brian Pillman 23. Edge vs Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho vs Sid Vicious 25. Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart vs Bryan Danielson 27. Rob Van Dam vs Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock vs Trish Stratus 29. Randy Savage vs Alex Wright 30. Christian Cage vs Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk vs Kenta Kobashi 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Tully Blanchard |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Bret Hart 17. Harley Race 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Bryan Danielson 27. Jushin Lyger 28. Trish Stratus 29. Randy Savage 30. Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk 32. Tully Blanchard that Warrior match was hard for the wrong reasons... |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Bret Hart 17. Harley Race 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelley 22. Booker T 23. Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Bryan Danielson 27. Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Harley Race 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. The Ultimate Warrior 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall(havent seen much of kenta) 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. MVP 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals 2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Nigel McGuiness 17. Mic Foley 18. MVP 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Bryan Danielson 27. Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. Kenta Kobashi 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals vs Ultimo Dragon--hbk
2. Mr. Perfect vs Mickie James--hennig 3. Big Show vs Fit Finlay--show 4. Kurt Angle vs Ted DiBiase--angle 5. Eddie Guerrero vs Ken Kennedy--eddie 6. Lance Storm vs Dean Malenko--malenko 7. Randy Orton vs AJ Styles--aj 8. Chris Benoit vs Takeshi Morishima--benoit 9. Undertaker vs John Cena--cena 10. Sting vs Brock Lesnar--sting 11. Raven vs Vader--raven 12. HHH vs Smaoa Joe--joe 13. Kevin Nash vs Jake Roberts--roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Amazing Kong--ddp 15. Scott Hall vs KENTA--hall 16. Bret Hart vs Nigel McGuiness--bret 17. Mic Foley vs Harley Race--foley 18. MVP vs Arn Anderson--double a 19. Taz vs Hulk Hogan--taz...god i'd love to see taz cripple him lol 20. Ric Flair vs Rey Mysterio--flair 21. The Ultimate Warrior vs Alex Shelly--alex 22. Booker T vs Brian Pillman--book 23. Edge vs Jeff Hardy--hardy 24. Chris Jericho vs Sid Vicious--y2j 25. Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude--steamboat 26. Owen Hart vs Bryan Danielson--owen 27. Rob Van Dam vs Jushin Lyger--rvd 28. The Rock vs Trish Stratus--rock 29. Randy Savage vs Alex Wright--macho 30. Christian Cage vs Dusty Rhoades--dusty 31. CM Punk vs Kenta Kobashi--punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Tully Blanchard--austin |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Tully Blanchard |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. Randy Orton 8. Takeshi Morishima 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage (Only because I never liked Dusty) 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals vs Ultimo Dragon
2. Mr. Perfect vs Mickie James 3. Big Show vs Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle vs Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero vs Ken Kennedy 6. Lance Storm vs Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton vs AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit vs Takeshi Morishima 9. Undertaker vs John Cena 10. Sting vs Brock Lesnar 11. Raven vs Vader 12. HHH vs Smaoa Joe 13. Kevin Nash vs Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Amazing Kong 15. Scott Hall vs KENTA 16. Bret Hart vs Nigel McGuiness 17. Mic Foley vs Harley Race 18. MVP vs Arn Anderson 19. Taz vs Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair vs Rey Mysterio 21. The Ultimate Warrior vs Alex Shelly 22. Booker T vs Brian Pillman 23. Edge vs Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho vs Sid Vicious 25. Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart vs Bryan Danielson 27. Rob Van Dam vs Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock vs Trish Stratus 29. Randy Savage vs Alex Wright 30. Christian Cage vs Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk vs Kenta Kobashi 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Tully Blanchard |
1. Shawn Micheals vs Ultimo Dragon
2. Mr. Perfect vs Mickie James 3. Big Show vs Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle vs Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero vs Ken Kennedy 6. Lance Storm vs Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton vs AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit vs Takeshi Morishima 9. Undertaker vs John Cena 10. Sting vs Brock Lesnar 11. Raven vs Vader 12. HHH vs Smaoa Joe 13. Kevin Nash vs Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Amazing Kong 15. Scott Hall vs KENTA 16. Bret Hart vs Nigel McGuiness 17. Mic Foley vs Harley Race 18. MVP vs Arn Anderson 19. Taz vs Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair vs Rey Mysterio 21. The Ultimate Warrior vs Alex Shelly 22. Booker T vs Brian Pillman 23. Edge vs Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho vs Sid Vicious 25. Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart vs Bryan Danielson 27. Rob Van Dam vs Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock vs Trish Stratus 29. Randy Savage vs Alex Wright 30. Christian Cage vs Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk vs Kenta Kobashi 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Tully Blanchard |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair 21. The Ultimate Warrior 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Ultimo Dragon
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Nigel McGuiness 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Rey Mysterio 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Alex Wright 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Harley Race 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. Triple H 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Ultimate Warrior 22. Booker T 23. Jeff Hardy 24. Jericho 25. Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Jushin Thunder Liger hardest decision on the list 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Dusty Rhodes 31. Kenta Kobashi 32. Steve Austin I'm suprised Amazing Kong got on the list and Roddy Piper didn't. |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Harley Race 18. MVP 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. Samoa Joe 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mick Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelley 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Tully Blanchard (had to give Tully a vote) |
1. Shawn Micheals
- Didnt see enough of Ultimo, didnt see enough Charisma in him. Shawn is shawn. 2. Mr. Perfect - Easy one here. 3. Big Show - Like Big Show better as a total package. 4. Kurt Angle - Angle is one of my top three or so. 5. Eddie Guerrero - Another easy one. 6. Lance Storm - Urgh. Two guys I'm really a fan of, but gotta go with Storm by just a little bit. 7. Randy Orton - Two dicks. I choose the one that I watched/like more. 8. Takeshi Morishima - Morishima is awesome for his size. 9. Undertaker - Undertaker is another one of my top favs of all time. 10. Sting - Sting did much more than Brock ever did. His work with Flair alone cements him here. 11. Raven - Tough one. Will have to go with Raven for his promos. 12. HHH - Small Joe! All kidding aside, HHH is more dimensional than Joe. 13. Kevin Nash - Come on. Its Nash. 14. Diamond Dallas Page - Was always a fan of DDP. 15. Scott Hall - Did not see enough of KENTA. 16. Bret Hart - Hart. Too many classic moments. 17. Mick Foley - Foley. Another one of my top favs. 18. MVP - MVP by just a notch...hope his potential turns out to be what it looks like. 19. Taz - Giving the vote to Taz here because his ECW run is probably one of the best wrestling "pieces" of all time. 20. Ric Flair - Flair is more dimensional. Rey lacks in Charisma area and isnt a good heel. 21. The Ultimate Warrior - Squash! 22. Booker T - Argh. Hate to vote against Pillman, but had more exposure to Booker and loved him all around. 23. Edge - Jeff is not as good on the mic and screws it up for himself too much. Sorry Jeff. 24. Sid Vicious - Because he has HALF THE BRAIN YOU DO! 25. Rick Rude - A wrestler like Rick only comes once in a lifetime. 26. Owen Hart - Owen. Bryan has yet to show me anything but awesome in ring skills. I like charisma too. 27. Rob Van Dam - RVD. If only he didnt smoke pot so much. 28. The Rock - Why are awesome women being pitted against legends? Sorry Trish. 29. Randy Savage - OOH NO! His Rap album alone provided me with much entertainment. Poor Das Wunderkind. 30. Christian Cage - Christian. Dusty never really impressed me. Maybe its because I mostly saw his crappy WWF run. 31. Kenta Kobashi - Hard one, but I will go with Kenta. 32.Tully Blanchard - Sympathy vote for Tully, once again because I only liked Austin as a heel. Hated, hated him as a face much like people dislike Cena in recent times. |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. John Cena 10. Sting 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin KENTA/Hall, Malenko/Storm and Angle/DiBiase were just mean |
Well to be fair I didn't make the brakets, you all did. This was done by seeding based on who got the most votes in the nominations. for example HBK got the most votes, because of this he got the person with the least votes (or one of them anyway) Ultimo Dragon.
while I'm on the subject does anyone think I should continue this as a tournement, meaning these are the brackets and the wil face the winner of the match below them, or should I keep seeding? Meaning who ever gets the most votes would vate the guy who got the least? Dunno. |
Sounds about right. You've done it for one round so you should just keep it that way until it gets narrowed down to 2 I suppose. Then obviously the poll vote would decide...or, just a thought, once it gets down to 4 you could have a poll with 4 choices which would make things interesting, since it wouldn't be a choice between A and B
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I would randomize.
Also, how the hell did Big Show get seeded 3rd? Some people must really hate Floyd Mayweather |
Keep it which way? Seeding? I mean really this thing just started so theres no standerd set yet. Doing the seeding to decide who goes in the tournament makes sense but looking at it the top half is going to be stacked. If I went with the seeding that means the quality bouts wouldn't happen until much later. We'd get a few, but they would be more rare.
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If anyones currious:
1.HBM 23 2.SCSA 15 3.Rock 15 4.Angle 14 5.Benoit 13 6.Jericho 13 7.HHH 13 8.Flair 12 9.Bret Hart 11 10.Perfect 11 11.Punk 10 12.Eddie 10 13.RVD 10 14.Undertaker 10 15.Edge 7 16.Kevin Nash 7 17.Taz 7 18.Foley 6 19.Big Show 5 20.Christian 5 21.Storm 5 22Owen Hart 5 23.Sting 5 24.Booker T 4 25.DDP 4 26.MVP 4 27.Orton 4 28.Savage 4 29.Raven 4 30.Steamboat 4 31.Hall 4 32.Warrior 4 33.Shelly 3 34.KENTA 3 35.Rude 3 36.Vader 3 37.Alex Wright 2 38.AJ 2 39.Arn Anderson 2 40.Kong 2 41.Pillman 2 42. Lesnar 2 43.Danielson 2 44.Malenko 2 45.Rhodes 2 46.Finlay 2 47.Race 2 48.Hogan 2 49.Jake roberts 2 50.Jeff hardy 51. Cena 52.Lyger 2 53.Kennedy 2 54.Kobashi 2 55.Mickie 2 56.McGuiness 2 57.Mysterio 2 58.Joe 2 59.Sid 2 60.Morishima 2 61.diBiase 2 62.Trish 2 63.tully 2 64. Ultimo 2 |
Jeff Hardy and Cena got 2 votes each, or none?
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2 After you do so many it just bleeds together.
You still didn't answer my question though. |
What was that?
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Oh yea, I'd keep it seeding based on votes up until the end. Then either go with a 4 way poll or a 1 on 1 poll
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Mickie. That's so ridiculous.
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That's just my 2 cents, you can do it how you'd like. I just think since you've started that way it should continue and it seems the most fair and efficient way to do the matchups
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When's Trish going into the WWE hall of fame? Or when is she coming back?
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I don't think shes going to come back tbh. she's achieved all she can and anything she were to do people would just say "well she's really gone down hill," etc. she got out at the right for the sake of her legacy. As far as the HoF I'd imagine they keep her out for the next 5-10 years as I'm sure they are hoping she comes back, and once your in the HoF its pretty final.
if she's smart she'll stay out, but for my sake I hope she comes back next Monday. or any Monday. Her call. |
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No. They are all wrestlers. They can't be held to the same standards as a male wrestler, but can be judged at how good they are at what they do. Thus, they can be compared for the purposes of this poll.
For example, CM Punk is obviously better than Trish Stratus if you watched their work as stick figures or something. However, Trish Stratus is the greatest of her kind. Just like The Big Show or Undertaker as big men are better than Khali or Test. |
It's hard to explain what I'm saying to you, since if you don't get it from my first explanation you prob never will. Destor knows what I'm talkin bout
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Oh yeah. It's that very mind set that Afterlife has that leads a large part of the IWC to hate all big men or brawlers. they judge all good wrestling on one set scale instead judging whos better at their stlye. (Not saying Afterlife does this just saying that his inability to judge women with men is the same.)
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How about this? I don't even like or watch soccer but it's the best analogy I could think of. Most male players in the World Cup or MLS or European league or whatever there is would probably school Mia Hamm or outperform her. But she's prob considered one of the greatest soccer players and biggest stars/legends/favorites of all time. Moreso than a lot of the men who would school her.
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Except that any man can go for any title, save perhaps the cruiser -- which is gone -- just because he's a man. Threre is a clear division therein, which allows men to show a broader scale of themselves. Cruiser go for heavyweight titles, giants go for US titles, and any combination imaginable can go for tag. But chicks only get the chick title. And, with the exception of "girly fights", ie. lumberjills and lingerie matches -- which is actually sexist -- they can't really show us what they've got. Saying "they're wrestlers, too" is an accurate claim; saying they have equality in career comparisson is way off.
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What are you talking about with titles? Non issue. That's a whole other thing. Chyna won a second tier title, Matt Hardy never has. Doesn't stop him from being more of a favorite round these parts
Khalis been a world champ and Piper and Hennig never have. The fuck do titles got to do with anything? |
Women can and have gone for and won male titles. they just don't make a habit of it.
and I think you're judging female wrestling as if the WWE image of female wrestling is the only one that exist which is really depressing. The title logic is a bit pointless cause I'm not a mark but by that logic people who only work for weight class titles shouldn't be in this contest. |
Chyna is a man.
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1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. AJ Styles 8. Takeshi Morishima 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Nigel McGuiness 17. Harley Race 18. MVP 19. Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Jeff Hardy 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Bryan Danielson 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. Kenta Kobashi 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
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Look, I'm not trying to play the villain here. I just just think it's silly to try to compare competitors from two completely different areas.
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Actually don't know if they won world titles in AWA, I don't think so. Either way you catch my drift
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Besides this is about who you like more, not who is technically supirior.
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I'm not talking about who wins titles. I'm saying the men -- at least in the WWE -- have an incredibly wider range in which to perform. That means they have more opportunity and more variety in their ability to win the crowd. THat also means they'll have a more storied history and a more developed character/persona with which to relate vto the crowds.
I understand the concept of favoritism, I just don't think female wreatlers have the same opportunities that males do in obtaining that popularity. In that aspect, I think it's unfair to compare them. However, I've been wrong on a plethera of topics and occassions, so I don't expect to be surprised if everyone concurs against me. |
Which is why Kevin Nash has more votes than Lesnar or such. Why can't Trish have more votes than a man? By nature of the thread title, the votes can't lie
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Except for Kong who is actually pushed like a wrestler instead of a Diva.
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Kong is also a man.
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good little debate here btw. :y: I can't rep either of you right now but know that I want to. :heart:
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If Vince gives HHH and Jericho 20 minutes in the main event for the world title it's not going to be a different match than if they're given 20 minutes in the main event for the IC title. Only in storyline. If Big Show faced Rey for the cruiserweight title it wouldn't be some different area of performance than if it were for the US title |
Jerry has a valid point
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What does that have to do with what you quoted me saying?
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1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. AJ Styles 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Nigel McGuiness 17. Mic Foley 18. MVP 19. Taz 20. Rey Mysterio 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
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You say they have a wider variety to perform. You act like wrestling for different titles suddenly makes it a different activity or something.
I suppose you could say it about the hardcore title, but what else? It's not like they get booked in a program for a different title and suddenly it's like, "oh now I can try this" |
The thing I just quoted him on.
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Where the hell is Piper?
1. Ultimo Dragon 2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Ted DiBiase 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Lance Storm 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. Smaoa Joe 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair 21. The Ultimate Warrior 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
I have to state that there are companies that have several belts for girls. From mid-card belts to cruiser belts to tag belts. There are places where the women have the opportunity to shine and be just as impactful as the men. I think your acting like the WWE is the only wrestling in existance.
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That's because theres more men. That doesn't mean the women are worse performers or not comparible in the broader spectrum of talent.
It gives guys more action, but not more levels on which to perform. |
Say theres 4 mens titles on the show and 40 men. And 1 womens belt and 10 women. What's the difference?
The men aren't trying their hand at 4 different sports |
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I use the word sport loosely. But I mean it like, it's not like the world title is basketball and now the men can prove their athleticism by going for the IC title which is baseball. It's all the same stuff, wrestling bell to bell.
I'll give you that the womens belt isn't given the time of a men's belt, but that isn't their fault |
But Trish is still better at her job and more of a favorite than men who have won multiple titles in different divisions
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Please. I have not said anything about the female wrestlers being of inferior quality. I'm saying the men have more advantage in a Favorites Contest, because they are the ones used on tv in a serious, in-depth manner. The girls are eye candy, and sometimes they put on a watchable match. I'm not talking about the universe of pro wrestling, I'm talking about the WWE. Because the majority of that list Destor put up is WWE and the only two girls thereupon are also WWE. |
Women can apply their art in bra and panties matches and mud wrestling, are male wrestlers lesser because they haven't worked in these match types?
I'm just fuckin around, but it's not like women can't have tag matches, cage matches, hardocre matches. They have. |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Kurt Angle 5. Ken Kennedy 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Vader 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. MVP 19. Tazz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Alex Wright 30. Christian Cage 31. Kenta Kobashi 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
Unfortunately men have had lingerie and bra and panties matches as well. :(
Ftr, this is a case were both parties are right. |
Okay, world of WWE only. Still. Trish and Mickie have put on matches and worked on a level that could make them favorites. They were named and voted on in here. This is a democratic contest for favorite, which makes the voting infallible.
Trish and Mickie had a fued and match far superior and well done than most of the male ones. I also didn't know we were arguing who had more of an advantage, but rather thought we were arguing whether or not they should be involved in the contest or judged as performers in the same broad sense as the men, which is how much of a favorite and how good are they at their job. |
I mean you do remember where this started, and how it got to this point right? You're argument seems to swerve us every other post
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I will bring it all back to the Mia Hamm analogy
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I'm not swerving anything. In fact, I'm fighting the urge to pull my hair out.
The advantage I'm talking about is the exposure for popularity. Nobody's said this list was rigged. I just think it's silly. In fact, when I said "Mickie. That's ridiculous," I was actually commenting on the fact that she's anybody's favorite. That is one seriously goofy broad. But, as I was called on being sexist, yes, I brought up the idea that male and female favorites should be judged categoically because men get a lot more exposure to the crowd than the women. |
But we remeber titties very well. A little bit of boob goes a long way. (Unless your Afterlife where Cody Rhodes chubby is the highlight of the night. ;) [playing bro])
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Man, I find the idea of CM Punk beating Kenta Kobashi in anything laughable...
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Just on camera.
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1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Jushin Lyger 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin Dear God some of those were tough to decide on! And thats the first freakin round! I must've sat and looked at that last one (Austin/Tully) got 10 freakin minutes. Booker T/Pillman was damn tough too. |
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And Punk winning a popularity contest is pretty reasonable. |
After all, he out-popped DX. :D
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I mean, he's no Cody Rhodes.... :drool:
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1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show (That was hard) 4. Kurt Angle 5. Eddie Guerrero 6. Dean Malenko (sorry Lance) 7. Randy Orton (Jesus Christ, I had to flip a coin 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Sting 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. KENTA 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Booker T 23. Edge (Coin Flip 2) 24. Chris Jericho (Pretty Shitty Match-Up) 25. Ricky Steamboat 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
1. Shawn Micheals 2. Mr. Perfect 3. Fit Finlay 4. Ted DiBiase 5. Ken Kennedy 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Kevin Nash 14. Amazing Kong 15. Scott Hall 16. Nigel McGuiness 17. Harley Race 18. Arn Anderson 19. Taz 20. Ric Flair 21. Alex Shelly 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Bryan Danielson 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Dusty Rhoades 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin (This one was UNFAIR.) |
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I was watching Kobashi/Handa/KENTA vs Takayama/Sano/Aoki from 3/2/08 yesterday and I was just sitting back think that someone was gonna shit themselves from all the chops he was throwing. |
1. Shawn Micheals
2. Mr. Perfect 3. Big Show 4. Kurt Angle 5. Ken Kennedy 6. Dean Malenko 7. Randy Orton 8. Chris Benoit 9. Undertaker 10. Brock Lesnar 11. Raven 12. HHH 13. Jake Roberts 14. Diamond Dallas Page 15. Scott Hall 16. Bret Hart 17. Mic Foley 18. MVP 19. Hulk Hogan 20. Ric Flair 21. The Ultimate Warrior 22. Brian Pillman 23. Edge 24. Chris Jericho 25. Rick Rude 26. Owen Hart 27. Rob Van Dam 28. The Rock 29. Randy Savage 30. Christian Cage 31. CM Punk 32. Stone Cold Steve Austin |
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That would be Kobashi vs Sid one would think... |
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