Mortal Kombat vs. DC Comics
 

Holy fuck.

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Scotty Ranger is my all time favorite Power Ranger with the exception of the Red Space Ranger.

That faggot Andross? He killed Zordon!

Zordon had it coming! I used to call him Gor-Don for some reason.

In your opinion, what would be the "rankings" of the Mortal Kombat characters? (based on the latest game Mortal Kombat Armageddon). I don't know all of the characters, but here is how I'd rank a few of them:


1) Taven
1a) Lui Kang
4) Blaze
5) Shujinko
6) Onaga
7) Raiden
8) Sho Kahn
9) Quan Chi'
10) Shang Tsung
11) Johnny Cage
12) Goro
12a) Kintaro

I'm too lazy/uninformed to rank the other 60 billion characters or so.

What do you mean by rank?

Like, favorites?

Like "who would beat who" according to storyline fights?

For example - in the 1995 movie Mortal Kombat, Johnny Cage defeated Goro. Hence - Johnny Cage was a higher rank in my rankings.

In the video game (Mortal Kombat: Deception), Quan Chi defeated Shang Tsung.

Based on every "storyline fight" (i.e. movies, video games, etc.), I'm trying to figure out as to what would be the Mortal Kombat rankings if there was one.

The following link may also provide some valuable information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat

Well fuck me.

I dunno if I have the patience for that.

But you overlooked one important character in your list.






Styker.

*Stryker

How could you forget Scorpion and Sub Zero? :mad:

Hopefully they won't pussy it up where you can't do fatalities on the DC Universe characters.

Actually that's pretty much the case. No Fatalities.

sub zero beat quan chi and shinnok. scorpion beat quan chi. shang tung killed lu kang.

Shang Tsung killed Lui Kang, but it was with the help of Quan Chi. Prior to that however, Lui Kang was getting the better of Shang Tsung. In the original Mortal Kombat tournament, Lui Kang also defeated Shang Tsung CLEANLY.

To the best of my knowledge, Sub Zero and Scorpion have not defeated Quan Chi'. Can you please provide proof of this?

Your co-operation is appreciated.

I didn't forget about Scoripion and Sub Zero. I just do not think they belong on that "top 13 list" that I created.

Sub Zero is superior to Scorpion (to the best of my knowledge....or they might be equals with both men getting one victory over another), but Johnny Cage has defeated Scorpion (Mortal Kombat movie).

Cage also defeated Goro...the former reigning champion. To the best of my knowledge, Sub Zero and Scorpion have NOT defeated Goro...and I do not believe that they are capable of doing so.

I hope this helps.

Cheers.

The game needs to have from MK:

Liu Kang
Sonya Blade
Johnny Cage
Raiden
Jax
Sub Zero
Scorpion
Kano
Goro
Shang Tsung
one of the robots... probably Cyrax
one of the female ninjas... probably Kitana
Baraka
maybe Shao Kahn

Those are the most important and reacurring characters in the MK universe

Onaga was quite dominant in Deception....as he withstood the combined forces of Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, and Raiden himself.

Having said that, Mortal Kombat is designed in such a way that the TOP good guy (or in this case, good guy(s)), will be ranked #1. In this case, Lui Kang, Taven, and Shujinko are the top men.

To the best of my knowledge, Shujinko is successful in his attempt of extracting revenge on Onaga (which puts him at a higher rank). Blaze was also a creation of elder gods (i.e. Taven's parents), which also puts him ahead.

Since out of ALL the competitors that competed in Armageddon (i.e. trying to "fight their way" up the pyramid), Taven was the one that emerged victorious, he gets the top rank.

It is still unknown at this point as to whether Lui Kang or Shujinko is superior to one another (my money would be placed on Lui Kang).

this being a video game discussion, id think we stay to the video game story lines.... anyway...

Mortal Kombat Mythologies Sub zero defeated fujin, shinnok, and quan chi.

Sub Zero only beat scorpion when he was alive and didnt have the powers he has now.

During mortal kombat 4 Scorpion defeated sub zero for the last time but learned about quan chi being responsible for his misery where he took him to hell and tortured him until mortal kombat deadly alliance.

Also Sub zero has the powers of a god now with his dragon amulet and scorpion was made a soldier of the elder gods during MK deception.

So to say that neither of those guys could beat any of the other people is kind of dumb.

Granted, but "re-occurring" character cannot be 1-1 correlated with "who is a better fighter?"

For example - it's obvious that the creators of Mortal Kombat have an extreme hard-on for Shang Tsung (as result, the creators of MK were actually thinking of killing off the "Shao Khan" character in "Deadly Alliance."). However - it's no secret that in a 1-1 confrontation, Khan would defeat Shang Tsung.

Theoretically, Reptile is supposed to be a combination of Sub-Zero and Scorpion.....(which implies that he's superior to those two), but Sub-Zero and Scorpion still garner far more attention (and have been in more video games to the best of my knowledge).

there was no end to deception.... it went strait to armageddon at east shujinko never got anywhere near onaga in the fact that noone still knew who shujinko was in armageddon.

OK - I stand corrected. Admittedly, my knowledge of Mortal Kombat is a little vague before 'Deadly Alliance.'

I was also unaware of Scorpion defeating Quan Chi' (along with the other details of Scorpion/Sub-Zero that you provided.....nice job by the way :y:).

My "rationale" for ranking Quan Chi ahead of Sub-Zero and Scorpion, was the fact that he defeated Shang Tsung after they collectively defeated Raiden. Since Sub Zero and Scorpion were working for Shang Tsung (in MK1 the movie...I didn't differentiate video game storylines from movie storylines), I figured that it automatically made Quan Chi' superior.

Your reasoning however does make sense (the producers of MK have gone on record stating the Scorpion is one of their favourite characters). It would only be fitting that Scorpion (and Sub Zero) be given greater roles.

i wasnt ranking them.... i was saying charaters to be in the game.

reptile isnt a combo of anyone... in fact hes one of the weaker ninjas who got his ass kicked by everyone, hes just a fan favorite

if we're going on rankings.... by pure power, ermac might be top five in the fact he is the collection of hundreds of different warriors... he has no storylined fights tho

OK - you might have a point.

However, here is what it says on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat

So by the looks of it, either Shujinko or Scorpion was the one that defeated Onaga.

the biggest problem with ranking players based on fights in mk is that many dont fight eachother ever.... an example would be sonja only really went against kano and his clan while lui kang only ever faught the bosses

In the original Mortal Kombat game (MK1), Reptile was supposed to be a combination of Sub Zero and Scorpion.

Over time however, I think the writers HAVE strayed away from this (i.e. giving Sub Zero and Scorpion more relevance, while taking away the relevance of Reptile).

I was also unaware of story behind Ermac. Where did you learn of this?

True. Again however, I was also combining what happened in the movies, with what happened in the video games.

For example - In the original MK movie (when Shang Tsung captured Sonya and took her back to Atworld to finish the tournament), Johnny Cage asked Raiden if Sonya could defeat Shang Tsung (to which Raiden replied, "no"). In Atworld, Shang Tsung challenged Johnny Cage (which implied that Shang Tsung was confident in his ability to defeat Cage), until Lui Kang intervened.

if there was a winner in Deception then Id say its scorpion then because
I too remember him saying that. I say that because its in the game and nothing about shujinko is other than the fact that you find him in prison later in the story. and i know he says he there on purpose but who knows how long he was there.

That's a good point.

To add to that, I think the creators of MK were a little disappointed with how "Shujinko-mania" never really took off. The creators basically wanted Shujinko to replace Lui Kang as the modern day hero, but I think they've retracted their stance since that time (Taven seems to be the guy now).

Given the fact that the creators of MK already love the Scorpion character, they might give the "defeating of Onaga" accolade to Scorpion instead.

The thing however, is that the MAJOR accomplishments usually still belong to the "top" good guys (i.e. defeating Blaze, winning the MK tourney, defeating Onaga, etc.). Scorpion isn't your prototypical "good guy", which is why I'm not sure if the creators of MK will give that "defeating of Onaga" distinction to him.

i cant remember one story lined fight that reptile has had that he has won going back to mk2.

The ermac thing is hinted to in UMK3 and trilogy and then again confirmed in deception, where he is one of the easiest characters to play with. He just has very vague story lines where he doesnt really ever fight anyone.

ok thats fine but the movie has nothing to do with the game and the creators say the same.

OK - I didn't realize that the creators actually went on record stating that.

MY BAD!

well dont go too fast... who is to say for sure that taven did defeat blaze? I mean no one would have said that before MK Deception that Shang Tsung and Quan Chi won the conflict of Deadly Alliance.

well not to rub it in but look at every other video game made into a movie... like doom... the monsters werent even demons and they didnt throw fire balls. the story lines for the movies need to be simplified.

On Wikipedia, it clearly states that Taven defeated Blaze (and hence, fulfilling the propehcy). However - instead of all of the warrior's powers being nullified, it had an adverse effect. All of the warrior's became stronger!

But that's on Wikipedia...I mean it seems like the most logical answer, but until the next canon game in the story arc is made, i doubt we will ever truely have the answer.

Alright, so i don't want to read all of the canon posted - what's the final listed result of the discussion in terms of which MK characters are the best?

THANK YOU

Based on story line outcomes (no particular order):
Lui Kang
sub zero
scorpion
shang tsung
shao kahn
goro
kitana
kung lao
raiden
taven
shujinko
quan chi
shinnok


based on the power potential of the characters that dont have a big story line:

noob saibot
ermac
rain
mintaro
smoke
sindel

noob saibot is just early sub zero right?

yup... the sub zero now is his younger brother. Noob when he was sub zero was never as strong as the current sub zero is now.

Apparently the MK characters will have fatalities whereas the DC characters will have finishing techniques in line with their character. Either way, I am looking forward to the day I can rip out Supermans heart; screw kryptonite Supes, you just got pwned by KANO.

Also, Nimbus Terrafaux is the greatest MK character ever.

I just want to rip Supes spine out. It's a good thing.

or steal superma's soul

Scorpion's New In-Game Model & Kal-El Revealed:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ion_Render.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...man_Render.jpg

No real suprises with the character models, hope in game they look as good as that. MK games have a habit of having character models that look very angular.

Still struggling to figure out how exactly superman will be pierced and dragged along by scorpions harpoon, i watched the ed boon interview and him talking about superman being vulnerable to magic etc. I really think it'll look odd though. :wtf:

Further proof that scorpoion is a pussy when it comes to him and subzero being the best, they have literally given him a camal toe.

Still, Im very looking forward to this game. Better get a next-gen console.

Guess he should have worn sneakers. Thats real ninja like.

Sneakers? on a ninja? I don't think that is right!

Ohhhh.....you are joking, I see, good one.

lol I got you

Though this will be a joke in the realm of fighters, it might just be the best fighting game in Midway's history. They're really trying with this one.

They had better fucking be after the shower of shit that was MK:Armageddon.

Within a good 2 hours of playing it, I was no longer suprised at why I purchased it for only £7.

New Sub-Zero Model:

http://www.worldscollide.com/images/Subzero_Render.jpg

They must have new guys handling the art direction...

The ice forearms thing is a bit played out, wish theyd go back to his original look.

I hope Nightwing is in it so that I can destroy him.

no the renders thay have usually are never exactly the same as the characters they have in the game.

An example is that the scorpion renders for shaolin monks and armageddon were totally different. Theres usually small changes all the time too. Also with the new 3d games that they have had, the costumes have always changed a little bit with the different characters in the games and with this being on 360 and ps3 exclusively, it makes sense that they change the characters appearances around a bit. I personnally love it.

Id almost gaurantee scorpion comes out looking nothing like that

Where did you hear this by all accounts they want a T for Teen rating.

Yeah, but this is next gen tho. I can totally see that being used in-game.

And Gerard, what are you on about? Thats closer to his original look than it's ever been in years. I mean yeah, it would be nostalgic to have it as a hiddin costume, but it would be rather drab and boring compared to others. This is next gen, break out the details. Such as those killer Dragon insignias hes got.

One think about the ps2/xbox games, I love that they've visually separated all the ninja type guys.

As much as I bash MK's gameplay, I keep comin back for every game. It's because beyond the gameplay, MK has the most interesting mythology and characters of any fighting game series ever.

From character design, stage design, and the whole atmosphere of it all. It presents something really unique and different, that just pulls me in a lot better than other fighters.

That said, other fighters pull me in right away with their superb gameplay. Which MK is sorely lacking.

Just because its next gen doesnt mean theyre going to use the renders that the put up. Im not saying theyre for sure not going to use them but they have never stuck with a scorpion render 100% ever before so why would that change now. Its not like they dumb it down or anything, they just completely change it.

I also like how they separated all the ninjas and made them all look comletely different. Although reptile isnt really even a ninja anymore in deadly alliance, but they put him back in it in armageddon so who knows what they'll do with him. I was a little pissed with the next gen Rain though because he looked gay, and not like a ninja.

Well it suits his story a lot more than the ninja outfit. Wasn't his alternate outfit more ninja-y anyway? In fact, the only ones who still look like actual ninjas were scorpion, sub-zero, and noob, tbh. Cause they actually WERE ninjas. Kudos to them for using logic.

No your right, but i was having more of a complaint about how rain ended up looking. He is a price of edinia but he shouldnt look like the prince of san fransico. If thryre going to do that then just make him a ninja.

Plus the guys that are considered ninjas in MK are determined not only by how they look but the style they fight. So if theyre style is more ninja like they are considered one of them regardless of whether or not theyre story out right defines them as a ninja.

Don't forget my main man ERMAC

He looks more like a sorceror with rags on his head, than a ninja.

I like the way they made him... in fact hes one of my favorites to play with, but storyline weise he is not a ninja at all.

The Dark Knight Render:

http://www.worldscollide.com/images/Batman_Render.jpg

Pretty cool all around

I wish instead of grey it was black. He looks like the cartoon version and it would be awsome if they made him look like the christian bale version from Begins. But its still cool lookin.

Gotham and the Batcave Renders:

http://worldscollide.com/images/MKvs...am_Rooftop.jpg

http://worldscollide.com/images/MKvsDCU_Batcave.jpg

Where the heck is Jason Todd's memorial?!

Screw Jason Todd's memorial. WHere's the T-rex and giant penny?

No giant penny as a stage fatality :(

Gotta say, I'm getting a lil excited about this. :D

Seriously.

This is what I'm talking about. No matter how bad I get burned by gameplay of past games in the series, I still get uber excited about new games. Every thing else about these games is so great, that I can't help but get excited and pray that the gameplay steps up.

And to clarify, I'm not saying the gameplay is horrible. But as someone who is a fighting game enthusiast, gameplay is rather drab and boring compared to Tekken, VF, Soul Caliber, and even DOA.

Agreed.

I am the king of mortal kombat..... I LOVE IT

Agreed.

wow, looks like a sweet concept.

New Shots:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...5094947754.jpg
Nonsense.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...5094949660.jpg
Perfect sense. Get him, Bruce!

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...5094951598.jpg
LOL

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...5094953613.jpg
*sigh* Let me guess...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...5094955707.jpg
Welcome to Outworld, Wally. Or is it Barry? Bart? Whatever, you're a dead man.

awsome

something interesting happens if you go on worldscollide.com and click on sub-zero's eyeball. Looks like to me that there will only be 16 characters.

Sonya Blade Render:

http://worldscollide.com/images/SonyaRender.jpg

Someone needs to get laid. By Sonya. I'm that someone. Will it hurt? Anyway, must be... cold where she is. And the background looks curiously like Halo 3 map Rat's Nest.

That hairdo makes he look like a man to me.

The Massive breasts make her look like a woman to me

Sonya looks terrible.

The Flash Render:

http://www.worldscollide.com/images/Flash_Render.jpg

I dig the boots and the gauntlets.

When is this coming out again?

ewww

Gotta love the thong tan lines they put on Sonya.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I fucking love the midway developers.... they are fucking hornballs. Shes nippin out and has thong tan lines... they are such scum and i love it.

At this point I'm just wondering how whored out they're going to make Wonder Woman.

So far they've been respectful to DC's roster.

Wow Sonya looks retarded.

Selina Kyle & Shang Tsung Renders:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...2094457201.jpg

Sexy.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...2094521950.jpg

Throwback Sexy.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...2094519591.jpg

lol Somebody caption this.

Extra:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...2094534091.jpg

Your soul is mine... FOREVER!

Liu Kang and Captain Marvel confirmed.

So yes - Superman vs Captain Marvel interactive.

Shan Tsung is the shit

I was wondering if villains were going to be included.

I'd like to see The Joker in the game. I'm not too knowledgeable of DC Comics, so I'm not too familiar with a lot of the heroes other than Superman and Batman.

Catwoman is considered a villain