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KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 09:30 AM

Regal = SUSPENDED
 
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=31105&p=1

To follow up an earlier story here on the site, WWE announced this morning that William Regal has been suspended for 60 for his second failure of the company's Wellness Policy. We will have more on this story later today.

U-Warrior 05-20-2008 09:34 AM

This is fucking ridiculous.

Everytime a well done push gets going, the person gets suspended.

Fuck is wrong with these guys?

KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 09:35 AM

Don't worry, if Jeff can come back and still get pushed, so can Regal.

Londoner 05-20-2008 09:37 AM

Fucking stupid, i was actually enjoying this angle.

Outsider 05-20-2008 09:38 AM

Oh for fucks sake :(

That's really shit. Well, if he's going to do the crime then he should do the time. But still....:(

addy2hotty 05-20-2008 09:42 AM

Well then, I withdraw my anti-WWE comments from the other thread.

Fuck you William Regal. You blew it. I'm ashamed to have put my belief in you.

Innovator 05-20-2008 09:43 AM

Regal, you're an idiot

KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 09:43 AM

I also find it funny that their drug free superstar ended up jobbing out to a guy who would go on to being suspended for Wellness a month later.

True Brit Grit 05-20-2008 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2161341)
Fucking stupid, i was actually enjoying this angle.

Bang on.

What a complete and utter fucking cock.

Dave Youell 05-20-2008 09:46 AM

Well it makes sense why he lost then, because lets face it, there was no other logical reason for his ass to be fired.

Have to say, really good booking on the E’s part there, they probably didn’t have a lot of time, but still managed to tease Ted DiBase and Teddy Long being the next GM (lets face it, it’s DiBase all the way for the smart vote!).

He can come back from it, but dear god he’s stupid, I mean, he’s hardly wrestling now, even if it were for pain killers, he shouldn’t be taking them if he’s not working

Mr. Nerfect 05-20-2008 09:48 AM

I'm more sympathetic towards William Regal than Jeff Hardy, because I simply like Regal more, but I guess this is his own doing. The man has a history with drugs, and I hope he manages to break out of it. You were so close, William. Don't be a guy who never makes it because of your demons.

Mr. Nerfect 05-20-2008 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Youell (Post 2161348)
Well it makes sense why he lost then, because lets face it, there was no other logical reason for his ass to be fired.

Have to say, really good booking on the E’s part there, they probably didn’t have a lot of time, but still managed to tease Ted DiBase and Teddy Long being the next GM (lets face it, it’s DiBase all the way for the smart vote!).

He can come back from it, but dear god he’s stupid, I mean, he’s hardly wrestling now, even if it were for pain killers, he shouldn’t be taking them if he’s not working

Regal's been working for a long time. Is it possible that the guy might need pain-killers to function? That is, if it is pain-killers he's in trouble for.

I think the booking was pretty shit, to be honest. They didn't have much time, but Vince flip-flopping on the Regal issue was ridiculous. I think a beat-down by Mr. Kennedy or John Cena would have gotten the point across. It also would set up a return feud for Regal.

This is the second time Regal has been suspended as General Manager. Wow.

Impeccable 05-20-2008 09:51 AM

To quote a man falling from a cliff.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why, William, why? Surely it would be for pain killers. Is there not a WWE doctor they could see who could prescribe them something?

KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 09:51 AM

http://i27.tinypic.com/20k26ig.gif

Mooияakeя™ 05-20-2008 09:51 AM

I'm just so confused by it. I can understand the booking, and it makes sense with the fired match. But I mean, come on!

Evil Vito 05-20-2008 09:51 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Wow, fucking stupid. Unfortunately for Regal, his firing on screen makes it harder to come back in a position of power. My hope is in 60 days he can appear on Smackdown, kill Vickie, and take her spot. He would probably be able to win the WHW Title there if they wanted him to.</font>

BigDaddyCool 05-20-2008 09:51 AM

Well crap.

Impeccable 05-20-2008 09:52 AM

What bugs me the most is last week, Regal came out and was asked to do a promo against Jeff Hardy.

It just makes him look like a huge hypocite....I'm actually quite pissed at this.

Dave Youell 05-20-2008 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impeccable (Post 2161359)
What bugs me the most is last week, Regal came out and was asked to do a promo against Jeff Hardy.

It just makes him look like a huge hypocite....I'm actually quite pissed at this.

You’re mad because a writer told a character to say something on a scripted show because it goes against who they actually are! OMG! It’s almost like wrestling isn’t real!

Impeccable 05-20-2008 09:59 AM

Let it out Dave....let it all out.

I'm thinking of the whole "he should be a role model" thing more than anything else.

Mr. Nerfect 05-20-2008 10:00 AM

Scrubs references get you positive rep, Impeccable. It's coming your way, don't you worry.

I think they should keep a "Regal Watch" on WWE.com, and have rumors reported on the website about Regal trying to sue the WWE, or whatever. Then when the 60 days are up, he manages enough leverage on the Board of Directors to the point where they bring him back.

Mr. Nerfect 05-20-2008 10:05 AM

Regal's hair would absorb the narcotics he was using, wouldn't it? Because even if Regal is suspended, can't we keep the hair around?

I think I remember reading something about the Wellness Policy actually allowing suspended wrestlers to appear on TV. Maybe this would have been a better way to do things with Regal? Or, they could have flatly used the suspension angle. Regal is throwing his power around, and then Vince McMahon approaches the General Manager and King, as Regal confidently throws his power around. Vince then gets Regal to listen, and then mentions his drug testing is back, and he tested position for a banned substance, and WWE policy says that no matter who he is, he needs to be suspended for 60 days. It is a flat-out addressing of the issue, and Regal can go away for 60 days, look flawed, maybe become a more poignant character, or get more heat.

He'd also look like a massive hypocrite when contrasted against the Regal who directed a promo at Jeff Hardy implying Jeff should pay for his sins. A lot of depth to that heat.

XL 05-20-2008 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2161371)
I think I remember reading something about the Wellness Policy actually allowing suspended wrestlers to appear on TV.

I believe that was for 1st time offenders / guys on 30 day bans.

Dave Youell 05-20-2008 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 2161375)
I believe that was for 1st time offenders / guys on 30 day bans.

That didn’t happen with anyone suspended this year, Regal was out for 30 days, as was Kennedy, Umaga, Funaki…..well Funaki’s seems to be never ending

Rammsteinmad 05-20-2008 10:33 AM

Funaki still has a job?

Kane Knight 05-20-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U-Warrior (Post 2161339)
This is fucking ridiculous.

Everytime a well done push gets going, the person gets suspended.

Fuck is wrong with these guys?

Management, or the wrestlers?

Because Management has to be on drugs to keep pushing these guys. Either they're ignoring drug use, or they're really not that perceptive. Plus, at this point, I think I'd piss test ANYONE before they got anywhere near the ME scene.

And the talent...Well....

Kane Knight 05-20-2008 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2161371)
I think I remember reading something about the Wellness Policy actually allowing suspended wrestlers to appear on TV. Maybe this would have been a better way to do things with Regal?

If I remember correctly, this was removed in one of the later amendments. One of the main reasons being it made the shareholders nervous that guys on drugs were still on TV, and potentially high profile slots. The only exception so far has been RKO, who had already served time for the offense that came to light (Signature Pharmacy), and was not put in "Double Jeopardy."

From a business perspective, it's better to cut them loose then to try and keep them on TV. I know it hurts storylines, but that doesn't make it any better. Of course, as I already said, I'd be drug testing ANYONE before they got a push of significance, to reduce these occurrences.

Gerard 05-20-2008 10:51 AM

LOL, he only recently gets "reactivated" as a wrestler and is already suspended.


And this is his second violation, wonder how long ago the first one was...probably 5 minutes after hearing he was wrestling again. :|

Xero 05-20-2008 11:14 AM

By the looks of it, this time next year the WWE is going to look very different with all the suspensions and firings likely coming within the next 12 months.

Afterlife 05-20-2008 11:15 AM

Blown away.

Blue Demon 05-20-2008 12:08 PM

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a correlation between getting a push and then getting suspended for rugs?

owenbrown 05-20-2008 12:12 PM

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!



Did I mention FUCK in that sentence above?

owenbrown 05-20-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 2161355)

:rofl:

Savio 05-20-2008 12:19 PM

what drug was it?

Kane Knight 05-20-2008 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sascha (Post 2161429)
Is it just me, or does there seem to be a correlation between getting a push and then getting suspended for rugs?

Don't be ridiculous. Nobody's been suspended for Rugs yet.

BigDaddyCool 05-20-2008 12:24 PM

I wonder if Vince is still encouraging the wrestlers to do 'roid, but in a sneak way...

Blue Demon 05-20-2008 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2161437)
Don't be ridiculous. Nobody's been suspended for Rugs yet.

:p

Fabien Barthez 05-20-2008 12:34 PM

After finally getting the push he asked for.... This is not good news.

Dorkchop 05-20-2008 12:36 PM

God damn, Regal. I wonder what drug (or drugs) caused the suspension.

This is really disappointing because he was finally getting a main event push. Regal, physically, looked the best he's ever looked in WWE. I wonder if it was roids.

The One 05-20-2008 12:36 PM

I can not for the life of me understand how these guys, earning several hundred thousand dollars a year, gamble it all on drugs. It just blows my mind. Especially guys like Regal or Hardy who are on their way to a bigger pay day and possibly fufilling their dreams...I mean no one is going to be shocked if over the next year or two people get generally smaller, and if you're in pain, it's not that hard to get legal pain killers. What else are they using? :nono:

Rob 05-20-2008 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2161352)
I'm more sympathetic towards William Regal than Jeff Hardy, because I simply like Regal more, but I guess this is his own doing. The man has a history with drugs, and I hope he manages to break out of it. You were so close, William. Don't be a guy who never makes it because of your demons.

Why are you more sympathetic? Regal has had over 15 years of drug problems and is currently in the biggest role of his career and NOT taking bumps.

Mercury Bullet 05-20-2008 12:55 PM

Here we go again just like Hardy. I honestly felt Hardy should be allowed back but not pushed, and never pushed beyond midcard level again. And I hope that is where he spends the rest of his career IF he manages to stay clean because he more than blew the biggest opportunity of his career recently.

And now we come to Regal whom I have the exact same sentiment towards. This is the second suspension in a relatively small amount of time. Personally, two this close together would get the boot and would never be seen from again on my programming. But if he comes back, like that other fuck up Hardy, never again does he belong anywhere near the main event of anything. He's proven himself unreliable when he was called upon to take a major spot in the storylines and on the card. So I honestly hope they go ahead and wish him the best in his future endeavors, and at least don't ever let him in a role beyond curtain jerker ever again.

Heros Welcome 05-20-2008 01:23 PM

The second we get something fresh a suspension follows yet again!! I was really enjoying the Regal push since I am a big fan of his. This truly sucks. But it is his own doings. It just puzzles me when someone is on the push of their careers, they blow it like this. O well....

Kane Knight 05-20-2008 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2161440)
I wonder if Vince is still encouraging the wrestlers to do 'roid, but in a sneak way...

Duh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2161444)
After finally getting the push he asked for.... This is not good news.

On the other hand, it's nobody's fault but his.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2161455)
Why are you more sympathetic? Regal has had over 15 years of drug problems and is currently in the biggest role of his career and NOT taking bumps.


Sense.

Splaya 05-20-2008 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2161352)
I'm more sympathetic towards William Regal than Jeff Hardy, because I simply like Regal more, but I guess this is his own doing. The man has a history with drugs, and I hope he manages to break out of it. You were so close, William. Don't be a guy who never makes it because of your demons.


He's no better than Jeff Hardy now

Destor 05-20-2008 01:43 PM

Such a shame

Lock Jaw 05-20-2008 01:45 PM

:'(

Tommy Gunn 05-20-2008 01:47 PM

This is so shit. Personally I could give a crap if Jeff get's fired, but a potential Regal-Kennedy feud was the one thing that has interested me recently on Raw.

It annoys me that Jeff isn't getting jobbed out for fucking up, instead they put him over Jewmanga and MVP.

Boondock Saint 05-20-2008 01:49 PM

:nono:

FourFifty 05-20-2008 02:52 PM

ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!! Drugs are bad, m'kay god damnit!?!?!?!?!?!

ClockShot 05-20-2008 02:57 PM

Dammit Regal. You think you would have learn the first time or from Jeff's second.

Vastardikai 05-20-2008 03:23 PM

*beats head against wall*

Sometimes, I hate this fucking business...

SammyG 05-20-2008 03:28 PM

OMG, was not expecting that. Regal, you're retarded.

Hanso Amore 05-20-2008 05:14 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Serves the fucker right.

The WWE is really starting to suffer from pushing druggies. They have had to drop MAD storylines!

I couldnt be happier, as I hate Regal right now, and I no longer have to read about him here.

Kenny 05-20-2008 06:09 PM

There are certain trends and methods often required for a decent push.

There's the "Nickelback Method" of cutting your hair and changing your name. (Ringmaster / Stone Cold, Rocky Maivia / The Rock)

There's the "New Look" trend.
(Kane / Kane, Kane / Kane, Kane / Kane)

Then there's the new one... the "New Music and 60 Day Suspension Trend)
(Jeff Hardy, William Regal)

This will be over soon, and a new trend will develop.

El Fangel 05-20-2008 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny (Post 2161746)
There are certain trends and methods often required for a decent push.

There's the "Nickelback Method" of cutting your hair and changing your name. (Ringmaster / Stone Cold, Rocky Maivia / The Rock)

There's the "New Look" trend.
(Kane / Kane, Kane / Kane, Kane / Kane)

Then there's the new one... the "New Music and 60 Day Suspension Trend)
(Jeff Hardy, William Regal)

This will be over soon, and a new trend will develop.

:lol:

NoRoolz 05-20-2008 06:24 PM

FFS

Bad Company 05-20-2008 06:30 PM

lol, amazing.

Londoner 05-20-2008 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtAngleMark (Post 2161530)
This is so shit. Personally I could give a crap if Jeff get's fired, but a potential Regal-Kennedy feud was the one thing that has interested me recently on Raw.

It annoys me that Jeff isn't getting jobbed out for fucking up, instead they put him over Jewmanga and MVP.

Exactly.

Lock Jaw 05-20-2008 07:09 PM

Jeff isn't exactly where he was before he left though. I mean, he comes back and the first thing he does is try to announce that he is going for the Intercontinental Title (when only months earlier he was going for the WWE Championship). It seems to me that they are going to keep him away from that level. At the same time though, it doesn't benefit the WWE to just start completely burying the guy, so they keep him at the IC level that no one cares about and where he could just disappear again without it being a biggie.

Nark Order 05-20-2008 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtAngleMark (Post 2161530)
It annoys me that Jeff isn't getting jobbed out for fucking up, instead they put him over Jewmanga and MVP.

2 months suspension without pay isn't punishment enough? He did the crime and payed the time, I see no reason for him not ot continue where he left off.

Not to mention his house burned down while on suspension. I know WWE had nothing to do with this (OR DID THEY?!?!?!) but still, punishment enough.

Londoner 05-20-2008 07:30 PM

Mind you yeah jeff got punished enough. Though i have lost some respect for him.

KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2161820)
2 months suspension without pay isn't punishment enough? He did the crime and payed the time, I see no reason for him not ot continue where he left off.

Not to mention his house burned down while on suspension. I know WWE had nothing to do with this (OR DID THEY?!?!?!) but still, punishment enough.

I'd like to see you fail a drug test and keep your job.

Poor little Hardy making all of the money and can't keep his nose clean, poor baby.

Kane Knight 05-20-2008 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 2161829)
I'd like to see you fail a drug test and keep your job.

Let alone two.

KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2161841)
Let alone two.

If we want to be technical, he DID get fired years ago for his drug problem.

So not only did he fuck up once, he got a second chance and then decided to fuck up two MORE times.

KingofOldSchool 05-20-2008 08:03 PM

But it's okay because he admitted he made a mistake.

Kane Knight 05-20-2008 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 2161849)
If we want to be technical, he DID get fired years ago for his drug problem.

So not only did he fuck up once, he got a second chance and then decided to fuck up two MORE times.

And it wasn't his first fuckup that got him fired.

Theo Dious 05-20-2008 08:16 PM

I guess Regal besmirched himself this time.

I wonder if when he comes back, his first match will be against Jeff Hardy. And Jeff Hardy will call him a hypocrite and ask if Regal will have to face off against Umanga.

Additionally, who is going to be Raw's GM now? If this leads to more Vince TV time, I suggest we lynch Mr. Regal at the next PPV.

McLegend 05-20-2008 10:51 PM

That was unwise move by William Regal.

Impact! 05-20-2008 11:06 PM

This seems like it could be the perfect debut for my idea of a WWE hobo character.

CYCLOPTERSAURUS 05-20-2008 11:17 PM

Regal was easily the most entertaining angle in WWE the last few weeks, and Hardy was in one of the best feuds in ages... but they both fuck up with drugs. God damnit. WWE has awful writers, but when they finally get something right, the wrestler drops the ball. LAME.

Nark Order 05-21-2008 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 2161829)
I'd like to see you fail a drug test and keep your job.

True. However; all the companies I've worked for have had very strict drug policies since their conception. It isn't like they were completely fine with drug use for 30 something years and then decided to have insanely strict drug testing rules a couple weeks after a buff guy murdered his family like the WWE did. From a performers perspective, this has gotta be pretty damned confusing and hard if a habit/addiction had already been developed.

Kane Knight 05-21-2008 07:49 AM

Insanely strict?

You don't get suspended for pot, and you get three strikes. That's like ten times more lenient than any company I've worked for.

Kane Knight 05-21-2008 07:49 AM

Plus, WWE offered amnesty for people who came forth and admitted a problem and went into a program they were paying for.

EDIT: Especially ironic since WWE fired Hardy in the first place because Jeff didn't think he had a problem.

Fox 05-21-2008 12:21 PM

(Regal is backstage at RAW, watching Jeff Hardy celebrate his win over Umaga in the ring. Umaga walks backstage and passes Regal.)

REGAL: Great match, Rosey.

UMAGA: Thanks Steve. Did you hear that pop for Jeff? Fucking amazing.

REGAL: Spot on. The fans do seem to have missed him.

UMAGA: Heh, yeah. Maybe you should get suspended for drugs. You'd be WAY more over.

(Umaga walks off.)

REGAL: Hmm...

U-Warrior 05-21-2008 07:25 PM

From Jim Ross' blog:

A Lesson to be Learned: "This should be a great lesson for every one on the roster.. be careful of every thing one ingests, including over the counter supplements that might contain even traces of banned substances. Education again becomes a key term in this issue as it is incumbent on each individual with which this program applies to know what is banned and what is not."




So hopefully, the above mistake was the case with Regal. As I can't see WWE being too harsh on him if thats what happened.

Afterlife 05-22-2008 12:05 AM

It would figure.

Lux 05-22-2008 03:27 AM

:roll: < sums up everything

Lux 05-22-2008 03:29 AM

Lets mental note all the suspensions have been around the "biggest title in the business" or on the "flapship show" maybe being high profile takes more of a toll on them then we thought

Kane Knight 05-22-2008 07:53 AM

The supplements bit sounds like bullshit to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4.0 (Post 2163209)
Lets mental note all the suspensions have been around the "biggest title in the business" or on the "flapship show" maybe being high profile takes more of a toll on them then we thought

That's great, but ridiculous logic.

addy2hotty 05-22-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U-Warrior (Post 2162807)
From Jim Ross' blog:

A Lesson to be Learned: "This should be a great lesson for every one on the roster.. be careful of every thing one ingests, including over the counter supplements that might contain even traces of banned substances. Education again becomes a key term in this issue as it is incumbent on each individual with which this program applies to know what is banned and what is not."




So hopefully, the above mistake was the case with Regal. As I can't see WWE being too harsh on him if thats what happened.

Generally the same excuse that athletes use when they've just been busted after breaking a world record by 10 minutes.

If this is true, then I say to Regal what I say to all the athletes in the world that throw that one out to keep credibility.

If you are so stupid that you don't know what is in supplements that you are taking, then you don't deserve to compete at a high level. If you are being TOLD by some jackass what to take, the you are even more retarded and should get a job in McDonalds flipping burgers.

Fucks sake, I hate that excuse. These people are supposedly intelligent adults, yet sit around crying 'waaa waaa, I didn't know what was in it'.

Surprised they don't drink bleach more often.

Kane Knight 05-22-2008 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addy2hotty (Post 2163586)
Generally the same excuse that athletes use when they've just been busted after breaking a world record by 10 minutes.

Of course, smarks like Regal, so it'll be true no matter what.

Just like Benoit had no steroids in his system.

And RVD was busted and suspended for weed.

The rest of your point is valid, and in fact, you're right. I just wanted to make that specific comment.

Afterlife 05-22-2008 11:04 PM

On the other hand, just because you don't like an excuse doesn't make it valid.

Kane Knight 05-23-2008 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2164218)
On the other hand, just because you don't like an excuse doesn't make it valid.

I think Addy already put up a solid explanation for why it's not a valid excuse, regardless of whether one "likes" it or not. Or maybe not so much whether the excuse is valid, but the notion of responsibility for one's actions. It's really hard to feel bad for guys who have so little sense as to do things like Regal is now alleged to have done.

Kane Knight 05-23-2008 08:10 AM

I'd also point out the already mentioned fact that tons of athletes use this "excuse," which really should make anyone skeptical if that's really what Regal claims. It's not to say it's not true in his case, but that it seems long against, since it's one of the go-to excuses when you're caught with drugs.

Also, how the fuck do they find these supplements? WWE has looser testing policies than most corporate bodies, and I dunno. None of the people at the Nuclear plant have ever been busted for vitamins.

U-Warrior 05-23-2008 10:00 AM

I dunno, after reading regal's book, I can see it being true. I really doubt he's off the wagon.

Thats not to say I would excuse regal for it. You're in the biggest push of your entire career, you better be damn sure of what you're ingesting.

Kane Knight 05-23-2008 10:32 AM

I would have doubted that Eddie was off the wagon.

Tox reports and the Signature Pharmacy scandal indicated otherwise.

People who can seem sincere can also be very good liars. Drug addicitions are hard to kick, and a lot of people talk big about being over it when they're really not.

Is he back on drugs? I can't say. But I wouldn't take his book as any form of evidence, and the excuse is REALLY flimsy.

Loose Cannon 05-23-2008 12:35 PM

wow, I leave for a week and I return to see the news. I missed Raw this week. Did they write him off somehow? They need to stop giving people major pushes. lol

Xero 05-23-2008 01:39 PM

Kennedy beat him in a match where whoever lost got fired.

Afterlife 05-23-2008 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2164486)
I think Addy already put up a solid explanation for why it's not a valid excuse, regardless of whether one "likes" it or not. Or maybe not so much whether the excuse is valid, but the notion of responsibility for one's actions. It's really hard to feel bad for guys who have so little sense as to do things like Regal is now alleged to have done.

It was Addy's comment to which I was responding. You'll note, I wasn't justifying Regal's actions. Simply stating that, every now and then, life immitates the art of cliche. People really do slip on banana peels; overused explanations really are, sometimes, the case.

I'd also like to point out that using drugs doesn't mean you're addicted. Having a beer at the bar after work doesn't make you a drunk; smoking a joint after school doesn't make you a pothead; taking whatever Regal took, the one time we know he took it, doesn't make him a junkie.

Kane Knight 05-23-2008 03:52 PM

Umm...Regal has a history with drugs, man. I'm not saying he's a druggie or an addict because of this instance, I'm saying it because of the known instances prior to this, like the ones he speaks of in his book, ones other wrestlers have mentioned, etc.

Xero 05-23-2008 03:57 PM

Plus, this isn't even his first suspension...

Afterlife 05-23-2008 03:59 PM

I understand that. He also used to have short hair. Now he doesn't. Sometimes, people change.

The better point, perhaps, is that soimetimes people people can tackle their ailments and control them. But controlling an addiction doesn't mean never ussing the substance again. If you live in fear of the item, it still controls you. You can use a product without letting it running your life.

Xero 05-23-2008 04:06 PM

So even after being warned by being suspended the first time (which I THINK was the prescription scandal last year - steroids etc), he gets caught again.

It may not be running his life, but it's ruining his career.

Afterlife 05-23-2008 04:22 PM

I'm not arguing against that at all.

Kane Knight 05-23-2008 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2164779)
I understand that. He also used to have short hair. Now he doesn't. Sometimes, people change.


Nice Damage control there.

Of course, if you were really going there in the first place, your analogy no longer works. It worked fine, assuming that this was an isolated instance. Though...If you could change your status as an addict as easily as cutting your hair...Unfortunately, you don't get to stop being an addict, and if you're an addict, "one beer" is no longer just "one beer." In and of itself, it's a danger sign.

Kane Knight 05-23-2008 05:47 PM

And yes, I read the rest of your post. The notion of controlled use by addicts flies in the face of, you know, real treatments of substance issues. But Hell, I only worked at a rehab clinic, what the fuck would I know about that?

Afterlife 05-23-2008 09:29 PM

I'm not telling anyone they're wrong, KK. Feel free to calm down. I only chimed in in the first place to remind the conversation that anything is, in fact, possible.

But, since you brought it up, I don't care how many addicts you met. Not everyone who has a rough time with a substance is going to be overwhlemed by it forever. To think like that is simply tunnel vision.

Afterlife 05-23-2008 09:39 PM

Also, I find it kind of funny that you worked at a rehab clinic.


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