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J.R. almost quits last night
The following is from Jim Ross' blog.
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What is it with this guy? Did he really want to hog RAW until he dies on the show or something? Jesus. He bitches every single time he's removed from the show for whatever reason. As good as he once was, he's not the best anymore, and he REALLY needs to get the fuck over it already.
JR, THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTATORS IN THE WWE THAT CAN DO THE JOB BESIDES YOU!! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND QUIT YOUR GODDAMN BITCHIN'!! |
A. Michael Cole is terrible.
B. JR is still the best hype machine in the business. C. They didn't even tell him before hand. At the very least he should have been notified. |
J.R. sees this as a demotion which in all purposes it is. I would have preferred to see Foley move to Raw and Lawler to Smackdown. At least Lawler and Cole called Smackdown in the early years.
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Well, if it's a demotion, by this, I think he deserves it.
I don't think Cole is terrible. In fact I don't see why so many people still hate the guy (besides expecting another JR or something). He's probably the best active commentator that the WWE has right now, in my opinion. Again, I wasn't expecting that, either (I was expecting a Adamle/Cole switch myself or a ring announcer switch), but Cole does deserve a chance after all the crap he got from some fans who hasn't given him a break. I think he does very well. And not many people knew they were getting traded. I think they only told Triple H about the trades that were going to happen (and someone else, but I forget who that was already). |
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Not by much maybe. Plus Lawler will probably throw a tantrum every week and totally shit on Cole for the whole broadcast the way he did with Coach. |
I would normally say he should be a little more professional, but the whole not telling your emplyees before they go on live TV is pretty pathetic IMO. So JR owes them nothing.
That said, I do think he's being a little bitchy about it. He's had a great run as lead announcer, at some point they have to let someone (not named Coach) run with the ball. MC has been a good 2nd string guy now for years and years. Time to see if he can sink or swim. |
<font color=goldenrod>I don't mind the move at all, and I think Cole deserves a promotion. JR is just way past it, IMO. The man is a legend no doubt, but its time to move on.
I get the sense people in WWE felt the same way, and that if he wasn't going to retire...may as well draft him to another show, even though he might quit.</font> |
Hoenstly I am quite curious to hear JR and Foley together on the sticks.
Maybe Ross can turn heel again and bring in Fake Lashley and Fake Lesnar? |
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There is so much tainted logic in that paragraph that I really don't know where to begin. |
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As I have said earlier, nothing will ever convince me that JR is better than Monsoon. |
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Personally, I don't think it was a good idea to have JR move from RAW (especially without him being notified beforehand). JR is one of the most senior most employees within the WWE, and he deserved far more respect (even though he is a homosexual).
Add to that - as much as JR screws his words on occassion, he is still far and away the "best in the biz." NO ONE is as passionate about the wrestling biz as JR as (atleast amongst commentators). This shines through and through whenever he commentates. Granted - Smackdown is moving to a new network in the fall (and Smackdown could use some more 'recognizable talents' on the show), but I still don't think it was a good move to move JR. Very classless on the WWE's part (although I did find JR's reaction to be somewhat hilarious. :D). As far as JR goes, I don't think he'll quit. Too much class, and he loves the business too much. |
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Seriously, though, I'm just saying this because everyone is SOO up in arms about JR not being told he was moving to SD, when they don't even consider that no one else was told much of ANYTHING about who was going where, if anywhere. I mean, assuming they DID tell him, would that have made him any less of a whiny ass cunt about it? HE's been told before about him being written off of RAW for something, and he bitched about that, too. And he still knew he would commentate somewhere, while another commentator was wondering, even for that little time, what they were going to do with him (no one gave a shit about that), before getting that HUGE sigh of relief and excitement. Personally, I think he REALLY needs to shut up, and people need to stop making excuses for why it was so horrible that they didn't tell him when they didn't tell anyone besides HHH and Batista about their moves if any. |
Jim Ross used to be Vice President of the WWE if I'm not mistaken (I'm not even sure if he still is).
JR should've been treated with more respect in my opinion. JR is not simply "one of the boys." If Triple H and/or Batista were told about their moves before the show (as you suggest that they might have), then it makes this look even worse IMO. |
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I seriously laughed sooooo hard last night watching Raw when JR got drafted. The look on his face was PRICELESS. I thought he was gonna cry.
Bottom line, NOBODY except Triple H and Umaga knew 100% they'd be drafted. Everyone was in the same position and I didn't see anyone else nearly crying over it. It's not an ideal situation but everyone basically got the same treatment. Throwing a hissy fit and not going to Smackdown would have been a total slap in the face to the brand and even more unprofessional. |
I'm glad he's moved to smackdown, gives me another reason to start watching the show now. Interested to see how JR/Foley works.
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<font color=goldenrod>ROFL @ Raw being in Oklahoma City next week
Poor Michael Cole is gonna get booed to no end when he is introduced before the show. For his safety I'd have him enter with King or let JR bring him down to the ring or something.</font> :o |
Pretty good I'd imagine. I would have drafted Cole and Tazz back together personally or put Tazz on Raw.
Smackdown needed to be revamped and refreshed BADLY and these 5 draft moves helped it. |
It's pretty bad that they did it the way they did to him. The least they can do is have a sendoff for him as the voice of Raw next monday in his hometown, since he'd like to be there.
But I think it's a blessing in disguise as well. He gets to join his friend Mick Foley, and call a brand that features HHH and Edge, instead of one that's Cena and Batista. With the addition of HHH, Jeff Hardy and others, Smackdown has literally overnight become an equal, and no longer a distant B brand. Adding JR as the voice of the show only strengthens this. I think it will work out just fine, since they seem to be taking the show seriously now. You can bet HHH won't be on the B show, if he's going there, it's gonna be on par with Raw and get some main events. I'm actually more excited about Smackdown than Raw. I only wish they left Matt Hardy be on Smackdown and Kane on ECW. |
imagine if he quit and went to tna and replaced that cunt, Don West.
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JR would be more valuable at this moment to TNA than just about any wrestler conceivable
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I also remembered something about the match that they had TO trade the announcers.
When the three other ladies (after Melina's injury) went after each other, JR made a botch that MIKE ADAMLE schooled him on. Adamle responded to a question of what the ref's decison would be (or something like that): Quote:
So...JR didn't know what DQ meant (or what the ref SHOULD do there in kayfabe) and it took someone who they dogged on all night about his botches to CORRECT someone who has had 25+ years in the business and should know more than that? Showed you just WHY it was time for this move to happen. |
wtf are you talking about?
Also, I think anyone with a brain would be able to figure out that he meant "whats THAT mean" as in "what's a disqualification mean to the stipulation of this match" |
Adamle's a moron
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I think it's more likely JR meant "What's THAT mean...in regards to who gets the draft pick!"
EDIT: Jeriton beat me to it! |
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The worst thing about that whole thing, though, was that when we saw the announcers being traded, it was like no one gave a shit about Melina's ankle injury (it was like they only reminded them of it after they went to commercial and it became an afterthought). I know that opinion won't be too popular, but still, that's what I felt about it. |
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I still think that... a) Triple H will once again be traded back to RAW b) Triple H will "lead" Smackdown into invading RAW in order to get the "#1 timeslot." I'm also a little surprised that the WWE's two most emerging talents (Kennedy and Jeff Hardy) were also sent to Smackdown. Something smells fishy....and it's not JR's vagina. |
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HHH still gets his Friday night fuck. |
I guess J.R and Foley are gonna do a good job and as the shows are gonna be taped, they can easily edit J.R's bloopers.
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i like how he ain't "tramping on down to Connecticut"
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Nobody knew? So Umaga gets drafted and just decides to go decapitate bobcore and co-rhodes without anybody knowing? Nice.
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Apparantly, Umanga and HHH knew in advance
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Kennedy would have had to know a few minutes in advance unless they had the entire roster at the Gorilla position.
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Wait, Umaga and Batista were told of their move ahead of time, and J.R., legendary announcer and head of fucking talent relations, wasn't?
That's a bit stupid. |
Definitely agree that he should have been notified, but he still sounds like a huge baby in that post.
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I'm all for thinking JR's time is done, and wanting someone "new" to call Raw. I have no problem with a phase out.
You gotta tell JR though he is getting moved to SD. |
Why is his time done?
Cole has improved over the years, but he's still no JR. And whether you agree with that statement or not, you can't dispute that no one can deliver on the more emotional moments like JR can. He may have lost a step or two the past few years, but I think a lot of people are overreacting to that. He's still the best current announcer, as far as I'm concerned. |
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B. I disagree. JR can still be good, I guess, but he is no longer anywhere near the great he used to be. He and Lawler pretty much ruined Chris Jericho's return, for example. C. This one I agree with. But would JR have done RAW then? For authenticity sake, I guess they might have felt like they had to do what they had to do. |
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It's Jim Ross, not Bret Hart for god's sake. |
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So I think it's fine if you want to start life without JR, and it's gonna be good for Cole to be stepping in now, and getting some on the job trainning so to speak. I even think JR understands that to. Still all is what you have to do is give him a call, and explain it. JR deserves that at least. |
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Jim Ross moving is definitely good. It instantly adds a new feel to SmackDown!, something that the other moves of the draft (particularly Triple H) will do, as well. He will also get to work with Mick Foley, who if remains a commentator, could have quite the legendary stretch in front of him. JR/Foley could be a fantastic team, if you ask me. JR is your usual babyface-bias commentator, and Foley has been playing a more "you have to give the bad guys credit" role than he would as a wrestler. That was the kind of chemistry that made JR/King initially so good, in my opinion. Also, post-production will help JR sort his shit out.
This also phases out JR as lead commentator of the WWE. He's not going to be around forever, and seems to be taking it "night at a time." According to some of his blogs. It's a way of moving JR out of the spotlight a bit, and letting him ease into the sunset. Ideally, Tazz will swap with Jerry Lawler in the supplementary draft, as Michael Cole and Tazz were quite a good duo, and Lawler working with Mike Adamle could be hilarious. I mean, I think I would prefer Cole/Tazz and Adamle/Lawler to Cole/King and Adamle/Tazz, respectively, so while still not perfect teams, the swaps would do them good. |
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<font color=goldenrod>No Jim Ross thread is complete without this</font> |
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I don't care either way about being told beforehand. From a showmanship pov, this is really the only interesting part of the drft aside from H and Matt Hardy. Nothing else is new or surprising.
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Again, I'm seriously confused as to why that opinion qualified for a neg rep. PLEASE tell me that no one else WOULD be worried about a job at that point. Or maybe I'm not making it clear enough what I mean (how clearer can I be?). |
He probably knew.
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Jim Ross eats, breathes, and sleeps the business. Heck - even when he's screwing up his lines, he's still 1,000,000x better than the rest IMO. No one can match that passion. Paul Heyman is the only other guy that I know, that is in the same class as Jim Ross (at current day...I'm not talking about those in yester-year). As far as color commentary goes - again, I think Paul Heyman is head over heels better than the rest....due to the natural passion he has for sports-entertainment. JR and Paul Heyman were the greatest announce tandem ever created in my opinion. It's a shame that they're not together today. Tazz and JBL are other color commentators that I think are EXCELLENT (although I don't put them in the same bracket as Paul Heyman). Lawler, while not terrible, isn't as good as Tazz/JBL. Just my opinion. |
I was just watching the move, and Michael Cole seemed pretty shocked by it, to be honest. It sounded like his voice was genuinely cracking at that point in time. Then when he was drafted to RAW, it seemed like he was trying to hide his elation via a humble connection to SmackDown!. Probably trying to be polite to JR.
I don't know, when JR came over, I felt pretty sad for Michael Cole. I don't think the guy is that good an actor to pull it off without genuine emotion. |
i almost think it is a work, vince could have told him 3 months ago about moving to smackdown. vince could have said be as much of a cunt about the draft as you can.
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You're also legitimately stupid, so what you would do has little to no real measure on what might be going through the head of someone with a clue. Anyway, JR'll be back on Raw. Lawler will shit over anyone who tries to take the booth, and JR'll have a hissyfit. Anyone want to start a pool on how long this lasts? |
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The guy is an announcer who works 5 or 6 days a month. Big fucking deal. |
yea, here's kind of how I see it. I understand why Ross would be upset. Yea, he wasn't told he was moving to another spot and it kind of caught him off guard. ok.
But you can play the Bret Hart card here and Ross is a hypacrite to call Bret a whiner. Wrestling is a fake sport. It's not like Jim's pay is going to change or anything. He's getting fake demoted in theory to announce a fake show. Just like everyone argues Bret let it go to his head that he had a "fake title" in a "fake sport" and how he was above everyone. It's the same fucking thing Jim. Like Rob said, they didn't tell anybody else, so why does Ross get a pass? The only difference is Jim Ross is on TV another night. Same pay (or probably more cause he cried about it), same benefits, same vacation. So shut the fuck up and do your job |
ROFL, surprised no-one noticed this... (Read the bits in bold)
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I actually think that Jerry Lawler will be fired before he gets his way this time. Vince eventually got rid of Joey Styles, and Vince has been looking to edge JR out for some time. The WWE has gone without him in the past before, too. Lawler can very easily be replaced by JBL, if he agrees to step out of the ring again, and JR could very easily be replaced by Josh Mathews or Todd Grisham (hopefully the former).
To be perfectly honest, if I were Vince McMahon, I'd be sick of caving into the demands of JR. He works for me, dammit! Fuck, worst case scenario, I'd get really smarmy, and put Joey Styles back into head commentary position somewhere. At least that guy goes where I tell him. |
JR might get to work RAW next week, as a farewell, and maybe the WWE will let Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler work together for events such as inter-promotional matches, and the like, and maybe host PPV preview shows on WWE.com, or something, but I don't think we'll see JR and King back together full-time on RAW again.
Although, I could very end up wrong. Not going to take a $100 bet from Rob, that's for sure. So, to put my technical vote in, KK: 7 days. :shifty: |
To those who think this is a work...
...JR is NOT a good enough actor to feign being as stunned as he was. |
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Well hopefully the combination of HHH, Edge and Jeff Hardy will be working title matches for the next year, which deserves to be the main event of PPVs. That way, JR will get his slot anyways.
If HHH is still on Smackdown come next years Mania, he's probably going to be the last on the card. I'd love to see Edge vs HHH teased all summer and fall and saved for Mania. |
anyone got a video of Ross being drafted? I didn't watch Raw on Monday (Had friends over, was playing Rock Band), so I don't know how surprised this was.
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nah, I just thought that was hillarious. I'll try to find it
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here you go
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The shot of Michael Cole's face immediately after it leaves the screen revealing he was drafted to RAW says it all: he was freaked out by what was happening. The dude looked like he was about to cry. Also, he forgot to pick up his notes before initially standing after he got up.
Also, the comment to Mick: "Well, Mick, you got your wish." Was really sharp. Mick had been joking about working with JR instead of him heading into the draft. I can't turn it up too loud on my computer, but watching RAW, I'm sure I heard the word "job" in there from Cole. It sounded like he thought he might have been out of a job, I dunno. I might be hearing things. |
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Notice too that Adamle was shocked too, saying "no way" to the question of if Cole was out of a job. That question WAS looming because the announcers even brought it up. |
If Cole didn't immediately realise that he was going to Raw, he's an idiot. With Raw still due a draft pick seconds later, and their play-by-play guy just been taken away, and ECW not getting a draft pick, what was he realistically expecting? Lawler to SmackDown too, and no announce team on Raw? Adamle to Raw, leaving Tazz to announce ECW on his own?? Tazz to Raw, leaving Adamle on his own, and an all-colour Raw team??
There's no way Michael Cole didn't realise instantly that he was off to Raw, so save it. Also, with those telling JR to stop bitching, I know where he's coming from. They didn't just change his job role slightly, they made a decision which changed his whole lifestyle and sprung it on him on live TV. JR has a business to run, and a ten-year old routine travelling with his best friend Jerry Lawler. It may only be one day but you don't know how much the move will interefere with his everyday life and affect the things he does on a weekly basis. I'm not saying it's the same, but about a month ago the company I work for turned around to everyone and told them that our Mon-Fri (as they have been, unchanged, for the three years they have been in business) shifts would now incorporate Saturdays instead. You might think so what, but to me, that meant no more Friday nights out on the piss... and considering all my buddies tend to do their drinking and socialising on Fridays, that fucked up my routine and my social life. But that's nothing compared to some of my co-workers. Some of them had weekend jobs to supplement their wages which they then had to give up. Some have kids and must now arrange childcare on Saturdays out of their own pockets. One guy in particular was a semi-pro footballer who had just signed for a team and, as my company is his full-time job and main source of income (and the team plays Saturdays), he can no longer play football. It has cost him money and his sporting career. I know it's not that similar, being too starkly different types of job, but still I'm just trying to convey how forcibly altering somebody's entire routine by just one day can fuck up a lot of shit, and they should have had the courtesy to give him at the very least some advance warning, if not allow him the opportunity to put together a case as to why he can't make the move to SmackDown. |
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JR's works for a company. The company doesn't work for JR. I love JR and all and yes, he has a right to bitch for things changing on him in the blink of an eye. And so does everyone else in th world that isn't an owner. But that's just business kids.
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Seriously. I'm not sure which part of this actually makes sense to you, but the fact that you actually have to say "finally someone agrees with me" should be a big clue right here, DP. It's not surprising that one irrational person could find another, but good for you. I hope you're happy, but "JR has been drafted to Smackdown, so I must be fired" is not a rational thought. Reasonably, with all the jobs that Cole could fill, nobody's first thought should be "uh oh." And that's without the apparently blatantly contrived draft picks. |
Yes, he has a right to bitch, so leave him to it.
I'm glad the King/JR team has been dissolved, they needed a change of scenary and to be taken out of their comfort zones, but WWE did it in a classless way. Oh well, still a better fate than simply getting fired I guess. |
JR, for the record, is not a professional. He tends to sulk when things are not his way. For all the talk of Michaels "losing his smile," JR phones it in often enough. I don't know how the show was affected last night, but his look wasn't "I'm sad to be leaving Raw," as much as it was "I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue!" The followup blog sounds like that, too. I'd call this a work, except that like others, I don't think JR's a good enough actor.
Similarly, I can't help but notice Cole's "I'm fired?" face carries on past the point that it's clear he's been drafted. |
I love the thought that he didn't know. I bet Cole nearly spunked all over Mick Foley when he saw that pop up on the HD-tron with no little video-game 'select your character' bit.
Didn't see him complaining when Joey Styles was shat all over for his benefit. |
Sulking doesn't make him unprofessional. As much as he may have bitched about and hated many things WWE have lumbered him with (quite vindictively) over the years, I've never heard of him flat out refusing to do anything. He has been constantly dealt a shitty hand by the creative team, more often than not in front of his home crowd too, yet gone along with it. He's been publicly fired several times (and now demoted) in a demeaning manner, kayfabe or not. Behind the scenes, he's had his pink slip for real twice. He has kissed Vince McMahon's bare ass. He has been beaten to a pulp, despite not being a wrestler. He has been continually replaced by men that the company feels would be better than him (only for each one of them to fail). He has been made to look foolish, spiteful, mean, gormless, cowardly, antiquated, disabled and ridiculous plus everything in between.
For a man widely respected by his colleagues and deemed by the company themselves as the greatest announcer of all-time, with 30 years in the business in virtually every role, it's truly pathetic that Vince plays these little games at JR's expense. I hope JR's restaurant chain is a huge success and he finally has the financial security to turn to Vince and tell him to shove his fucking job up his ass. Maybe even give TNA a shot in the arm by working for them. I know I would never take that kind of humiliation from my employer, and I work in a much less visible and public environment. If I get humiliated at work, my friends and family don't have to watch it on live TV. |
I don't agree with this demotion thing tbh. As soon as Trips was drafted, it wasn't a demotion. It's an attempt to make Smackdown a strong brand, if anything - in my mind - it's a huge responsibility/task for JR and the other 'big' names that have gone over to SD to make it compelling and a success for its new network. You could almost call it the last chance saloon for the brand split.
If JR would like the easy 'phone it in' life on Raw, then he should retire. Simple as. |
The guy who whined about how he nearly quit isn't unprofessional. Well, it's a new spin on the concept of being a professional, I guess.
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Well he should have quit ages ago then. I wouldn't take the humiliation either.
However, if I was told I'd need to have to come to work on Tuesdays instead of Monday's, I'd just do it. |
I'd rather work with Mick than Kingfish any day.
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And another thing, he was fired by a meglomaniac employer twice, during a time where there was plenty of work around for wraslin' announcers, did he really think it was going to be any different when he came back?
He was the head of talent relations for quite a while, so he knew the way the employees are treated, especially in their home towns - and he ripped a few on his Ross Reporrrr many a time (what was it, Val Venis is in gimmick limbo) when he could do things to sort it out - he's been a company kiss arse most of his employed WWE career, so I don't buy this crap he's pulling. Just cry baby rubbish from someone who should know better. |
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In the longer term, you don't know how this may affect his routine, with regards to his everyday life. It's easy to say "oh, I wouldn't care" but it's not JUST a one day a week job. Now when he works PPVs on Sundays, he will be on the road Saturday until Wednesday (hardly going to go home between Sunday's show and Tuesday's taping, is he?). For a guy who signed a contract to only work Mondays, now he will find himself of the road for an entire working week for every scheduled PPV week, which is something stupid like every 3 weeks nowadays. He signed a contract on the proviso of "you are the voice of Monday Night Raw and we will continue to pay you to be". Now, his job role has changed, his working week has changed, and his travel routine (including his travel partner) has changed. All for the sake of a quick thrill, a pretty insignificant twist in the Draft and a McMahon laugh at his expense. |
But that's Vindictive Vince for ya.
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In a situation like that, emotion takes over. There have been times in front of crowds when, intellectually, I know I've got something coming my way, but at the time, I'm not thinking with my head, and it still knocks the wind out of me. You are waiting for that moment when it becomes official, so you're not grasping at theoretical straws. JR has talked about how announcers are expendable in the past, and Michael Cole recently got booted off WWE.com. No one would he seem himself as a bigger commentator than Jim Ross, and he probably has never heard anyone with power seriously mention a move to RAW for him. To be honest, it only took a few seconds of serious thought past my first instinct to realise that the WWE were swapping Jim Ross and Michael Cole. To be honest, the only move I was sure about was JR. I said in the RAW thread that it's the only move that is logical. Natalya and Victoria needed to win, and Jim Ross would need to move to SmackDown!, because Mick Foley is still fairly new as a commentator, and is probably not ready for live shows, as One Night Stand 2005 kind of proved. Therefore, it had to be JR going to SmackDown!, looking at it logically. Therefore, is anybody that was surprised by JR moving an idiot? Not at all, they just didn't think it through. I'm sure Michael Cole, who had to call a wrestling match (and although the commentary wandered in that match, he and King were assigned it, and he'd have had one eye on that, and one on being witty. Also, as far as the scheduling changes go? Is your protest against the draft in general, because those guys are going to suffer, too, and they weren't told in advance. None of them appear to be bitching. The duties of a SmackDown! commentator leave time for the announcer to do other things, as Michael Cole was in charge of WWE.com, too, so I assume there would be time for JR's business. He'd need to go into work Tuesdays, instead of Mondays, and then it'd be post-production mid-week. He'd still have his weekends free, and they'd be a little extended with Monday off. |
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When you are out there calling a wrestling show in front of several thousand people, and someone takes your position, your reaction is "what now?" I don't think Cole is that good an actor to pull that kind of emotion off without reason. The man did seem to have an unnatural attachment to SmackDown!, too. |
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