Villan for Batman 3?
 

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I was going through his villians on wikipedia and while the Riddler is being hyped as the next villian I wouldn't mind seeing firefly as one or atleast a minor one for the next movie. The Riddler in the view of the public eye is just like a green joker, I'd like to see a lesser known villian grab the spot light before he does.

"Green Joker"?!? Where did you get that from?

ummm IGN I think

Yeah, word from a few sources (I think Michael Caine among others) is that they want Johnny Depp to play the Riddler. Now, how much stock you should put in that is anybody's guess, since from the looks of it they're taking a breather before they even start thinking about Batman 3.

Personally, I'd love to see some Bane.

Poison Ivy, sans green skin and monster plants. Keep the toxin gimmick, sexuality.

lol Scarecrow should be in every Batman Movie.

They could also play Wrath (A cop killer) as a minor villian to make the cops hate Batman even more.

I read that Eddie Murphy is going to be the Riddler due to Johnny Depp filming another Pirates.....wtf

I don't see Bane or Poison Ivy in the the next one, they don't seem to match the universe created, as no one seems to have actual powers.

I heard originally that the dude that was going to expose Bruce as Batman is the last one could be playing riddler

My personal choice by a country mile would be David Tennant:

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As for other villians, they did make out that Joker was meant to be back, I don't think he should be re-cast, but having Harley Quinn in there could be all kinds of awesome, who to play her though is a different kettle of fish, I'm thinking someone like Britney Murphy.

Other potentials are the usual suspects like Hoffman for Penguin (Phillip-Seymour not Dustin)

There's always a danger that they might try to bring in Robin (dear god no!)

Catwomen?

The only idea worse than that was Hitler's parents deciding to have children.

Eddie Murphy should stick to making un-funny movie where he plays himself in 18 different roles.

Seriously, if any producer is actually suggesting that, they should get several incurable diseases

There were rumors for a while of an Eddie Murphy Riddler, but it's been massively debunked.

Thank God.

Bane never needed powers, and even in-canon his toxin was overkill. He's taken Batman without the venom serum, and certainly doesn't need it for movie purposes. Really, a heavy steroid mix shouldn't count as powers in the first place.

For the record, the guy that nearly exposed Bruce as Batman is named Mike Engal.

Mr. Engal.

Mr. E.

Say it out loud for me.

They could have Bane with roids, ok, I'll give you that.

Would be great if they did that Bane unlocks the Asylum storyline, that would be a great way to introduce a few guys at once.

They already unlocked the asylum in the first movie.

I'd kill to see Bane done correctly, but I doubt it'll happen.

Pretty sure Nolan said he had no interest in portraying the Penguin, so you gotta figure that puts the Riddler next in line. Mr. Freeze would be interesting, but he's probably a bit too far out for the more realistic universe. Same with Poison Ivy. Can't really think of any top tier villains who could carry a film on their own other than those ones.

In terms of lesser known villains, I'd dig seeing David Cain (or Lady Shiva), King Snake, or Deadshot.

Catwomen could easily carry a 3rd film. With Rachael dead, it sets it up perfectly

I don't know if they'd want to risk Catwoman at this point. I mean, the Halle Berry flick wasn't that long ago...

Yeah forgot about Catwoman. But I'm not sure if she's a film carrying antagonist like Joker or Ras. Catwoman works better when she's off in the shadows, half against Batman, half with him.

I don't think Halle Berry's Catwoman will scare them off, especially in this reboot-happy Hollywood era.

And frankly, I'm a bit tired of being portrayed as so stupid I couldn't tell one version of a superhero from another. Ironically, comic fans been used to alternate versions of classic heroes for decades now. I don't think casual fans will destroy their brains seeing a new Catwoman either.

I think Catwoman was bad enough to ruin anything involving the character for the next five years or so, to be honest.

I mean, there's bad renditions, and then there's Catwoman.

I dont understand the need to overlook The Penguin.

I could see the penguin as some kind of Ganster who is trying to put back together the underworld while Batman is being hunted by the police. Make him a mafia type club owner who everyone calls the penguin due to his stature and shape.

Hell it can be a derogotory term for him, a media nick name even, there is no actual need for him to be part human part penguin.

I wouldn't rule out a part man/part penguin person in this world we live in, much less in a movie that is loosely based on this world.

I don't see why Penguin would be so hard to portray. There are people out there that have some freaky mutations, so I don't see why having a guy who is disfigured to the point that he looks like a penguin is too absurd for this franchise. In fact the psychological implications of such a mutation as it relates to his sociopathic behavior would make for a fine third Batman movie.

The comicbook Penguin had no physical deformities at all. He didn't have webbed fingers or any of that shit, he never lived in the sewers, etc. It was only like that in Batman Returns. He was only called the Penguin because of his long nose, and because he waddled when he was a kid.

I can understand how he would be better avoided, though. He's not actually supposed to be sociopathic; he is, within canon, completely aware of himself and fully competent. He's hard to portray in that context because he's... just sort of a weird character. Batman Returns had to almost totally transform him across the board to make him work at all, and I can understand why they'd rather pick a character they can use as-is instead of totally reinventing.

So far, the villains used have been pretty well in their element; actual, comicbook depictions of the Joker and the Scarecrow akin to their movie counterparts have been around forever. Part of what I loved about Dark Knight Joker was all the comic shoutouts and in-jokes. With the Penguin, though... they'd have to change him pretty heavily to make him interesting, which would alienate some fans. It'd be easier to just pick someone that doesn't need as much changing.

Batman 3 needs to look like this:

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I'd love to see some lesser known villains. My first choice would have to be Raiz Alghoul (sp?). For those who don't remember him, he is the dude that has the Lazarus pits or w/e and is basically Immortal.

Another good one would be to have 2-face back and have Clayface as the second villain. That would be excellent.

Do you even know what the fuck we're talking about?

Do you?

You act as if I don't realize he was the antagonist in Batman Begins. What you fail to realize is that in canon, he has the ability to transfer his conciousness into other beings. This makes him prime choice for a rehash. Considering the talk of using the Joker again, I feel he is better in that he avoids the type of shit bringing back the Joker would bring the film after Ledgers death. I only refer to him as lesser known because people not familiar with Batman have no clue who he is.

Obviously you think he died at the end of BB. Maybe you should read more of the actual comics, jackass.

I like how people take the villains of batman like mr freeze or bain and say that theyre too unrealistic for the universe... What did you think when you heard that the scare crow and raz were going to be the villains in the first movie? Thay could make them work, it would take a lot of imagination but it could work.

If scare crow can have a serum that can make people hallucinate their worst fears, then im sure a serum can be created to turn bain into a supersoldier.

Bain isnt a complex enough character to stand alone in the nolan batmans tho. A johnny depp riddler would be cool, and a brittney murphy harley quinn would be perfect match of character to actress. A catwoman might work to if they take her from the angle that shes a cat bugerler and not actually dressing up like a cat.

We all know about Ras' gimmick, and so does Chris Nolan.

It's not happening so long as he's at the helm, buddy.

There's a pretty big difference between "They should bring Ra's back" and "Hey, they should try somebody obscure, like that Ra's fellow. Anybody know who Ra's is?" Don't bitch at other people when you make yourself sound like an idiot. Plus, they referenced his reported immortality several times in Batman Begins, and he did in fact "come back from the dead." Don't pretend your original post didn't sound stupid, because it did.

You don't actually know that much about Bane, do you?

Bane broke the Bat, mind and spirit.

He also out-thought and out-planned the Bat, and could have done what he did without any chemical aid.


But I have to keep myself from fanboying out.

I'd really like to see The Riddler. I don't think he'd been a "green Joker." I doubt whoever plays him (Eddie Murphy lol come on) will be as good as Heath but there's lots of potential. I'd love to see The Riddler leading Batman into traps, almost making it seem like he's on Batman's side since he is now against the cops and making the cops think he's against Batman but he's really on no ones side, just trying to cause chaos.

Fuck, that almost sounds like The Joker-lite. :|

Robin heel turn? I really don't know. I like some of the ideas in this thread though. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I don't know much about Batman so I probably shouldn't even be in this thread. But I always found The Riddler to be cool and never really thought of him as similar to The Joker other than their names being related to comedy.

Yeah, that's where the green Joker issue comes in. The Joker, despite being an improviser, improvised well enough that it seemed beautifully orchestrated from the beginning. Running the Riddle as doing exactly the same results with different motions in the background... well, you can see where the problem comes up. They'd have to really use their noodles to think of ways to differentiate this character's antics from the Joker's, especially since the Joker's plot ended up being so masterful.

I wasnt referring to bain in the comics being a supersoldier I was giving a possible spin for the movie. Oh god please tell me your getting all worked up because you think Im messing up the origin of a character you like!!!!

Hush would be cool, with some revisions to his character. And what's up with Leslie Thompskins?

Instead of having the riddler focus on all around chaos like the joker, his motivation should be similar in the way it executed but be more focused on one person. Either another character in the story or batman/bruce wayne himself.

Yes, I'm so totally worked up. Look how angry this emoticon looks. :mad: Man, that's some ferocious internet rage right there. Mighty angry.

I sorta wish you'd have given me a real response instead of pulling that "Oh, look at the nerd" nonsense again, but I guess this makes it easier on me, eh?

You realize that the Joker's entire plot was to get to Batman, right...?

Hush keeps crossing my mind, but appearance-wise... well, with the Watchman so close, and he sorta looks like Rorschach... :shifty:

I'm sure it will be done and Ledger's death has nothing to do with this but seriously this


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is a hard act to follow.

doesn't clayface change into shapes? that seems to unrealistic for this series

A character like Edward Nigma is right up Nolan's alley. I'm sure he can create some mind-fucks with the character's gimmick. The whole theme of the movie could be a guessing game sort of thing. Joker's antics were more on the line of shocking traumatic twists and turns, whereas Riddler does want you to solve the case in a way (like Jigsaw). In this way clues could be left all over the movie in a way we'd need to watch it again to fully see Riddler's game at work. Selina Kyle could be thrown in as a wild card as well, working within the Rachael's dead plot and the whole with Bruce/against Bruce thread.

I think that's why Johnny Depp's name keeps getting tossed around, really. If anybody can conceivably keep up, it might have to be Depp--a man that's pretended to be Ledger for at least one event.

Yeah...

But it looks like Watchmen won't be out for another 100 years so...

What does it matter what I know about him, that wasnt even the point of what I was saying before. Do you disagree with the fact that he could relatively easyly be put into the nolan universe version of batman?

I still say Terrible Trio as an opening act, setting up something with... Killer Croc

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They could set something up as "Similar to the Joker," but noting that something just... seems off. Maybe use the fact that it seems too choreographed? The Joker pulls things out of his ass and it happens to work. The Riddler plans everything to precise detail, even going so far as to taunt the police with Riddles...

And I just summed up the Riddler's MO...

Yeah, I realized afterwards it sounded retarded in a thread where most ppl are familiar with Batman. Didn't really think much of it as I had this discussion with everyone at work and most of them are like "Who the hell is Ra's Alghoul?? We waan more Joker!!11!" Guess I just assumed everyone else was oblivious as well.

Anyways, Bane 'could' work, but they would have to take care to make him more 'serious' than his previous film incarnation. He was dumbed down far too much and made too lackeyish. Use him properly, and he could be gold.

As for Catwoman, I'd leave her unused for awhile. Same with Poison Ivy.

If they do go with Riddler, I'd like to see him played by the guy who played the Goblin in Spiderman. Can't remember his name all of a sudden. Depp would be great, but he is overdone IMO. Pair Riddler with Mad Hatter and have 2 'insane' villains messing with Batmans mind. A movie based off of the psychological implications this causes Bruce would be amazing.

You realize that changed by the end of the movie right?


Im thinking the riddler start big and end small or rather go from chaos to focusing in on one person where the joker went small and then branched out to the city.

Joker plan A: Corrupt Batman
Joker plan B: Corrupt Dent

He doesn't need to be chemically enhanced. It's not necessary to the character at all. Making him some sort of chemical supersoldier is just slapping on more unrealistic silliness for no particular reason, unless you desperately want a rehash of Batman & Robin.

Batman & Robin = Why you need to know about the characters you're trying to write for. Before you tell me about how you're not personally writing the movie and it doesn't matter, well... don't post if you're going to say something stupid.

Plan C turn the city against itself

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or

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again missing the point. I never said he had to be. I gave a suggestion as to how he could fit, especially if you wanted to take the chemical route. People were questioning the ability to put him in the movie and I gave a possibility that would seemingly fit with the format of the last two.

william defoe would be interesting

Yes, turning him into Captain America definitely fits the format of the last two

Oh now your just being silly

You stop it silly man!

Clayface can indeed shapeshift. However, in keeping the serious tone, they could simply have his 'strectch' ability. I guess kinda akin to Sandman in the Spidey flicks. Just don't have him fully devolve into the clay blob form, really, and just base it off his gradual decline into the monster. The character definately has the mindset for this series. Just make him secondary villain so he isn't the main focus and it would work.

William Defoe.

Ra's was a thinker within a plausible organization and an often agreeable viewpoint, foreign to help you stretch that disbelief. The Scarecrow was a psychologist with a drug that mirrors effects of real life hallucinogens. The Joker was a man with realistic psychological issues and a perspective that mimics real, accepted ideals.

You're suggesting that the next villain should be a chemically pumped up military project instead of, say, a self made man with high but nonetheless human potential strength that simply outthinks, then overpowers Batman out of morbid curiousity and the desire for challenge, leading out of something seemingly bigger to wear Batman down--setting up for other portions of the movie.

Y'know, like he was in the comics. But why do that, when we could pump him full of phlebotinum and make his strength super human? Yeah, that's realism at its finest.

I can't see him, or anyone, topping Ledgers performance though. Ledger was simply astounding. It would be an insult to recast Joker now. Maybe down the line somewhere. Just not any time soon.

I especially love that pumping him full of chemicals is "making him fit" into the universe, despite offering no insight whatsoever into motive or agenda. It's just making Bane less human for the sake of making it campy, then claiming it's to wedge him in appropriately.

Now that I think about it, cast Defoe as Riddler and Depp as the Hatter. Book it. Depp is better suited to the more insane/fragile of the two.

We might have to see how The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus goes--after all, Depp apparently portrays Ledger portraying another character in the movie. Could be a pretty big mind fuck.

I wish I could rep 44 again right now. Too lazy to spread it around.

No shitting, though. Colin Ferrell, Johnny Depp and I think one other guy pick up the parts that Ledger left behind when he passed away--so they literally pretend they're Ledger playing those parts.

And Tom Waits is in it. Movie's going to blow my fucking face off.

Mind = blown.

Heres a question. Who would you cast as Bane?

ROFL. I love you right now FA. That made my night. I was thinking maybe Vin Diesel, but that takes the cake.

LOL. Yeah, I don't know though. I think it might take some camera work to make the guy look bigger than he really is--sorta like they did with Xerces in 300? I don't know. I can't think of too many guys that are both incredible actors and convincingly intimidating.

Except... well, Debo. And he's already been in a Batman movie.

And I've actually thought about Vin Diesel as Mr. Freeze.



Jokingly, of course.

haha... k your getting all hung up on the suggestion I made and just missing the point all together that wasnt even directed to you in the first place, but because of the other thread your all mad and trying to proove a point, but heres the deal, all those characters you just listed off arent necessarily that way in the comics especially in different books and renditions of each comic. For example the joker appear, acts and has a different orgin based on what brach of comic you read from batman or DC, but he and his story had to be made to work in the nolan universe.

but you said that scare crow had a drug that mimiced real life hallucinogens and thats true but say you wanted to go the serum route with bain. could you not have a serum that mimics the collective affects of testosterone, steroids and adrenaline??? which if mixed properly IN REAL LIFE can cause a person to physically perform way past their normal abilities.

I was also wondering if you think they'll ever try a crossover movie like they did with comics. I cant see Nolan being for it, but someone will eventually try to cash in on this.

They've done talks for a Justice League movie, and both Nolan and the Bruce Wayne guy have said they want no part of it. Nolan feels it would take away from the atmosphere he's established for the movies, and I fully agree.

a man that was stopped or defeated by batman and wanted to find a way to get back at him. or used by another villain as a henchamn of sorts to get to/kill batman.

Yeah! Lets juice Bane and have him played by 'The Man Whose Arms Exploded'. We can even put some Alka Seltzer in his mouth so it starts foaming.

That's funny, because you keep referencing the other thread and I don't. What point am I trying to prove again...?

Why would you bother stretching disbelief any more than you need to? They took exactly as much as they needed to for Joker, Ra's, etc. Bane doesn't need the serum to work. It's not integral, and only makes the story come out less believable than before. Why even bother with it if adds nothing at all to the plot? Dragging in excessive comic book traits for no real plot value isn't good movie logic, in fact it's...

a bit nerdy.

Theres no way they could fit the other DC heros in with the universe that this batman is in without either seriously compromising the properties of either the other heros or the integrity of the nolan universe.

See, the fact that you're saying he could be a henchmen pumped up on chemicals...


That's Batman & Robin, and it's terrible.

Terrible doesn't begin to describe it.

Angel has a point, I mean next to Ledger, Depp is the only person who would take the role seriously, when I say seriously I mean SERIOUSLY.

Ledger lived, breathed and ate Joker while filming, most times he would even take it off screen.

Depp would do a good Joker I'm sure of it if we come to that point.

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are you going to basically repeat what I said in my last post because I know what I wrote in my last post... i wrote it.

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I'm just hoping they won't waste Depp on trying to ressurect Ledger. Depp has his own talents that could be spent on new villains, new stories, and new endeavors. And really, nothing would help alleviate the bleak end of Dark Knight like never seeing the Joker again--that his incarceration really was his finale, and even if you can't change the world, you can certainly take a few bad people off the street. It sucks that we can't see Ledger's Joker again, but I think I can live without seeing Depp's Ledger's Joker.

Where have i written anywhere that he needs to be juiced up?

Except that was in response to... oh, wait your subtley referencing the other thread. D: Or did I just misinterpret you randomly being a troll? And way to go, completely avoiding an actual response again in lieu of trying to sink your claws into some juicy metaposter bullshit. Learn to debate the point and not the person making it, your arguments will sound alot less like ignorant flaming.

Are you going to basically ignore my point in favor of being catty? The juice is exactly what I was talking about, and apparently what you were talking about, but you're in favor of keeping it. This isn't even reading between the lines--you're contradicting yourself and then acting like a girl about it.

Your entire method for "fitting him in" was justifying the juice, not counting some half assed agenda you shoehorned in upon request. What the fuck else did your suggestion consist of? Don't start backtracking on me now, you've violated enough debating rules today.