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The Beatles question
So what was the problem between John and Paul? Why did they split?
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I think tensions rose when Lennon made the "Jesus" comment. From there, I believe John felt as though Paul took all the credit for the success of the band and decided to leave. Plus no one was very fond of Yoko Ono.
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This was after Ringo and George had left and then came back.
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It's quite clear that Lennon is the more irreplaceable member.
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Brian Epstien died and Paul decided he could handle their dead managers role. This threatened John's ego as he'd been considered the band leader up to that point. They recorded Sgt. Pepper which was Paul's project.
In 69 John wanted to bring Allen Klien in as their Business manager to take Epstien's place, Paul wanted Linda Eastman's father to take that position. Paul refused to sign papers with Klien. What it boiled down to was although they were makeing albums they weren't really collaberating on the writing of the songs. They were doing solo songs with the others as backups. John had a fragile ego and felt slighted by Paul's power trips so he brought Joko in to stir up the shit.He was on the way out and was waiting for some business deals to be finished but Paul jumped the gun and announced the split up. |
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Lennon as a part of the Beatles was awesome.
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Nothing gold can stay.
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But seriously Trips, You are better than that post. |
and FYI, George was the most important one.
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Everytime I hear the beatles I keep thinking I'm in some kind of nutcase dream where everything is trying to be overly pleasant and I'm never going to escape. Seriously agitates me to listen to them.
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That's retarded. Are you only listening to Octopus' Garden or some shit?
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The beatles have many sounds. You must have just heard the acid trip albums. |
lol @ angry beatles fans.
No, even the pop stuff does it, I watched Yellow Submarine when I was little and I think that just fucked me up long-term. Either way I don't see how it matters to you that I don't like The Beatles because of X Y and Z. |
Because it is like saying you dont like Geroge Carlin because of SHining Time Station.
You should judge on a whole body of work. |
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JJ, I'm getting the impression that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Define the "popular stuff". What have you heard and what haven't you? Right now it just seems that you've heard very little and formed a half-assed opinion and you just stick by it now to save face.
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I am the walruss Back in the USSR Peggy Lane Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Strawberry fields forever Yellow Submarine That'll be the day I wanna hold your hand Plus a bunch I don't know by name but recognise by ear lol come on, I live in the UK of course I know The Beatles' popular songs. By your logic, I'm retarded because their songs remind me of the same sort of thing and produce the same imagery. That's a pretty retarded argument in itself if you ask me. Not to mention you jumped to conclusions and assumed I'd never heard popular songs from one of the most popular bands in the world. Honestly, do you even know how stupid you sound? |
Stop taking the piss :p
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'I don't like Da Vinci, the Mona Lisa is really depressing and I don't like it' 'That's retarded, Da Vinci's other works are cheerful, you're full of shit' 'No, I find his other works depressing too' It's an opinion, just because you do not feel the same way does not mean it is inaccurate. You cannot tell me that I don't think X is Y, because it's my opinion, not a fact. |
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Peggy Lane |
I mean seriously, the only thing many of those pieces have in common is the artist and nothing else. They are so musically different that it is absurd to pass a blanket judgment on them.
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1. I never called you retarded.
2. So you are honestly saying that I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Am The Walrus sound similar? |
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And yes I do think the two sound similar. It's classic Britpop that I've endured for years, of course it all sounds similar to me. But you probably see them as completely different. The same applies to Drum n Bass, you probably couldn't tell the difference between two tracks that I'd deem to be completely different subgenres, because you don't share the same interest in it that I do. Stop being closed minded and accept the fact that some people just don't give a shit about The Beatles enough to differentiate the styles of two similar songs. |
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2. It's a comic, it's a joke. Do you know what jokes are? They stop being funny when you explain them, so I'll just let you think about the complex layers for a while. Eventually the humor may dawn on you. I wish you the best of luck. 3. You're only arguing your point now to save face. There is no possible way anyone, even the most musically inept could think those songs sound AT ALL similar. If you HONESTLY think that they do, then yes- I would then feel justified in calling you retarded. But I don't think you believe that. You just need to be a stubborn little bitch who stands by a point he made in haste that has no real basis in reality. It's this sort of shit that makes the majority of people on the forum dislike you. You have this rabid disregard for logic because you want to look right. You don't look right. You look like a jackass. Now you're trying to say "it's an opinion, I can't be wrong". It's not an opinion. Whether you like something or not, call that an opinion. But whether or not two things that can easily be compared on hundreds of different levels can be considered similar, that is something that can be clearly discerned. It is not an opinion. A is different than B. That's all there is to it. |
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retarded adjective 1. relatively slow in mental or emotional or physical development I fail to see how this issue constitutes retardation. Learn what you are talking about before you try and argue a point. |
So, you don't understand common usage of a term?
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So, you don't understand common usage of a term? I suppose you only use "gay" to mean "happy" as well?
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Anyway, it's clear that you've realized you're wrong since you've resorted to arguing over semantics.
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Similarities between I am the Walrus and I wanna hold your hand. (I'm going to be brief here because I had things to do today and was going to leave it, but I didn't want to keep you waiting)
-Same era and same genre: Let's not forget that there wasn't the diversity in music there is now as there was in the 60s. You had The Stones, The Kinks and The Beatles. None of these bands are anything new to me in the slightest and I've heard them regularly since I was as young as I can remember. It's only natural that after a while you hear the same vocalist and it just goes in one ear and out of the other. Look at modern pop music now, I couldn't tell the difference between the pussycat dolls, atomic kitten, the spice girls etc. It all sounds the same to me because I've heard it so often that I tune it out. You're forgetting that my original statement. I said that it conjured up the same imagery. Maybe in America The Beatles are still some kind of exotic import, but over here there is only so many times you can hear a Liverpudlian vocalist without thinking 'Oh The Beatles' and promptly losing all interest. They may seem like individual pieces of musical art to you, but in England, we hear it all the time and simply don't give a toss. So once again I direct you to my original post: Quote:
So once again I will ask you; what is wrong with my original post now that you realise that I have listened to a variety of their work and it still conjures up the same imagery? |
lol Peggy Lane
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Can we please let this die.
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I don't care if you don't like them, that's fine. But your reasons are nonsense. |
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Apparently you are comparing "I want to hold your hand and I Am the Walrus (Both Sic) Let's compare and contrast 1) I Want To Hold Your Hand, 1963, an adolescent love song written by Lennon and McCartney, extremely innocent and naieve. It appealed to the young croud that adolized the Beatles in the beginning. 2)I Am the Walrus, 1967, a wordplay epic by Lennon influenced by LSD and the works of Lewis Carrol. IT was orchestral and revolutionary in it's use of multi tracking. There is no comparison between the two works. Other than the fact that the two songs feature the same people there is no similarity. |
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Also, once again you are misinterpreting the original post and blowing the whole thing out of proportion. Remember that you are the one who started this argument, and you've basically ruined the thread. I had no idea someone was going to reply to my comment, I thought it was pretty offhand personally. "You're basically saying you don't like the songs simply because of who performed them." I never said anything like this. Do not put words into my mouth. You're also forgetting that while I'm sick of hearing The Beatles, it's not like I can't appreciate what they did for music. Much in the same way that Mozart was an excellent composer with music that was very mathematically precise, however it's definitely not to my taste. Quote:
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lol just john you just don't get it
also lol at hearing the beatles so much because you are british. where do you think they became a worlwide phenomenon? the us? yeah pretty sure we've heard them just as much as you, bud. |
lol
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I don't recall saying 'I have listened to The Beatles more because I am British'. So clearly you have no base to your points here. Stick to casual forum where you can talk about 'GETTIN HIGH LOLZ' you fucking failure. |
lol because i talk about that all of the time
the fact that you are so dumb that you stand by your assessment that those two songs sound anything alike reminds me that i shouldn't have said anything in the first place. you are a joke. and don't get too bent out of shape, guy! |
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This: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...087201_737.jpg Is telling me I am a joke. Pot? Kettle? Black? |
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that picture is most definitely a representation of any and all moments in my life and not just a drunken good time :y:
way to make the argument about something that is isn't |
I don't recall actually SAYING that I had listened to them more though. Maybe you should actually read before you post, if you can read that is, because clearly you cannot type.
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lol you got me dude i have been reduced to rubble
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And Weapon-X, there is nothing to reduce to rubble. By the looks of things you did that to yourself years ago. Go and fail elsewhere. |
Picture's gone now :/
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you are very clever, just john!
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Man, Just John, just tap out and give up.
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"we hear it all the time in England, Im sure We know"
" I dont speak for All English people" Then dont use we |
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You're original comment sounds like an absurd generalization of a large variety of widely differing music. Though I will admit my original assessment of "retarded" was quite premature and uncalled for, I stand by the spirit of my comment.
Anyway, I've grown weary of arguing about this. If you're unwilling to make any concessions to your platform (concessions that are obviously necessary at this point), you never will. You've decided what you think, and your willed ignorance is too strong to allow any enlightenment. That being said, I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. |
you don't hear that much of the beatles in the uk. you don't hear that much of any kind of rock music really. radio sucks. i don't think i'd ever get tired of listening to them. some of their earlier stuff doesn't work for me but one trick ponies they ain't. i am a way bigger fan of the lennon songs though.
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