Most overrated wrestler...
 

By the Business:
By the Marks:
By the Smarks:

Of all time or of any era. Go.

Ric Flair...

By the business: Hulk Hogan
By the marks: Jeff Hardy
By the smarks: Chris Jericho

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Jeff Hardy
By the Smarks: CM Punk

By the Business: Hulk Hogan
By the Marks: Jeff Hardy
By the Smarks: Owen Hart

By the Business: Ric Flair
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Santino Marella

By the Business: HHH
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: RVD

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Austin
By the Smarks: Punk

By the Business: Triple H
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Ric Flair (with Bret Hart being a close one)

Business: Cena
Marks: Cena
Smarks: Christian

By the Business: Hogan without question
By the Marks: Cena
By the Smarks: tough call..... Flair or Bret???

Business: Vince (How can you say Hogan, he made sooooo much money)
Marks: Batista
Smarks: Regal

Although its hard to say Batista or Cena, since they are suppose to be cheered like that. Ya, I will repick my Marks: one after awhile.

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: The Rock (there, I said it.)
By the Smarks: CM Punk

I still don't think he's the MOST overrated, but I do agree that he deserves a mention. In Owen's case, people judge him majorly by what he supposedly WOULD have been instead of what he was.

<!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> By the Business: Bret Hart
By the Marks: Bret Hart
By the Smarks: Bret Hart

By the Business: Kevin Nash/Triple H
By the Marks: Bill Goldberg
By the Smarks: Ring of Honor

You sir, like to bum rush 5 year old boys.

Define wrestler. :p

The disconnect lies in this: Hogan was the greatest draw. WAS. There are far too many people within the business who still think he can go out there and work wonders today. And that doesn't happen. It's his current worth that's overrated, not his past contributions.

By the Business: Triple H
By the Marks: John Cena
By the Smarks: Christian

When Cena barly gets cheered, how is that overrating?

I guess because the people who cheer him overrate him SO much that the WWE doesn't just turn him heel.

My vote was pretty much based on after his WM VII to WCW stuff (probably excluding early to mid nWo because his heel turn made him WHITE hot). The early days of Hulkamania were such that they did call for Hogan to go over everybody in sight, but I think the turning point on that was Wrestlemania VI. The end of an era, in some ways. I don't mean the passing of the torch, namely because Warrior didn't stick around, but we saw that Hogan could be beaten cleanly. Instead of putting over Bret, Hogan went to WCW and Hulkamania ran wild over...Kevin Sullivan and the Dungeon of Doom.

It doesn't really have anything to do with Hogan's ability to work a match. Say what you will, Hulkamania or Hollywood Hogan brought people to their feet every time. Hogan just held a position on the card that he really didn't need to be in for way too long.

... pst hey Xero what does "smarks" mean? :shifty:

I didn't want to distinguish between smarts and smart marks, so it's both, okay?

By the Business:Santion Marella (HES NOT EVEN A FUCKING WRESTLER)


Fuck you and Shut up SCREECH!

I agree, truthfully. By the business would mean who is generally pushed and doesn't deserve it/is given too much credit by people within the industry? I can understand John Cena and Triple H as answers there. Sure, Hogan is responsible for some crushing politics, but he's probably the reason that there was a business to hurt in the first place.

...I haven't even posted in here yet.

Now I will, though.

By the Business: Hogan
By the Marks: Cena
By the Smarks: Flair

Why? Is it because I stated what most people think but refuse to say because OMG ITS BRET HART! HE'LL CRY IF WE CHIP AWAY AT HIS EGO!

Seriously, Bret was no doubt an AMAZING technical wrestler. However, he is not one of the greatest all around pro wrestlers ever. He had mediocre mic skills, except for his feud with HBK and DX. He was a selfish sack of shit who thought he was bigger than the business that made him. He thinks Canada will crumble without him waving the banner of PERFECTION. Most smarks think he did no wrong, ever, the business overvalues his impact. Bret Hart inspired RoH, but Shawn Michaels inspired the future of WWE...you know the wrestling most people watch, because it doesnt require a chip on your shoulder about technical prowess. Also, marks are forced to believe that Bret Hart was a family man (because his mom couldn't close his legs), inspired countless canadian wrestlers (despite him only training TEST), and of course, that he was nothing more than diamond in the pile of shit in mid 90s. I would say something about Shawn Michaels being the bigger diamond, but that should already be known...since HBK solidified Steve Austin, helped develop Triple H, give classic after classic...but because he didn't put up with the self-righteous pink-wearing prick...he is nothing but a snot-nosed brat? Fuck you, and your asshole hero.

:lol: Yeah, I remember when I was younger and I'd tell older relatives that I watched wrestling, and all they'd tell me about would be Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks on ITV....


I remember last year Dwayne Johnson was on Jonathon Ross, promoting the Game Plan, and Ross was saying something about his wrestling roots, and continued on to show a video clip of Hastacks vs Big Daddy. You could just feel how awkward the Rock felt as he said 'um yeah....thats....thats good stuff..'

Kinda felt embarresed for him...

Business: Hogan
Marks: Cena
Smarks: Flair

Wow you finally explained why I have giving a fuck less about Bret Hart. Thank you i am glad i am not the only who feels this way............ After watching Bret Hart:Wrestling with Shadows and that pointed out how scared he is to give up his top spot and roll with the changes. That is when i realized that i could give a fuck less about Brett Hart.

Business: Nash
Marks: John Cena
Smarks: Bret Hart

He is hardly the most over rated. Jesus, you don't know who HHH is? You suck his cock in your dreams every night.

You keep thinking a Jesus Freak is the greatest, fucking texans.

By the Business: Your Mother
By the Marks: Noid
By the Smarks: Frank Shamrock

Wow, that is a great argument. Do you feel better about yourself?

No, but your average kliq talking points sure was a great one.

Thank you for appreciating talent.

You really are a tool.

At least tools serve a purpose, what do whiny bitches like you do?

I think that if the screwjob, and the subsequent jump to WCW, had never happened there would be no question about he greatness of Bret Hart.

You are right, his legacy would be helping put over Shawn Michaels.

LOL that's ridiculous

Yeah, but it did happen. And so did the 10 years of whining, complaining, and bitching that followed it.

I guess I'm one of the ones that didn't let the whining and complaining cloud my judgment of him as an in-ring performer.

Bret Hart's greatest accomplishment was putting on classic matches with Shawn Michaels.

In your opinion.

I'm not even biggest Bret mark or anything, I'm just sayin

What do people associate Bret Hart with: excellence and not quite being as good as Shawn Michaels.

What people? Shawn Michaels/Kliq marks?

People who:

a) are not Canadian
b) are not delusional about 1994
c) are not ubersmarks
d) appreciate all-around ability to entertain

We all know Bob Backlund carried Bret Hart at the Survivor Series that year. (Great match that people forget about btw)

The whole thing with Owen and Bret's mom was classic stuff, and Chuck Norris was at that Survivor Series, so you know it was the goods.

Well, alls I know is that I'm not Canadian.

I'm not delusional about 1994 either; I actually agree with Vince McMahon. And it's because I enjoy all around ability to entertain that I cannot agree with the notion that Bret's biggest claim to fame is wrestling Shawn Michaels. That's just flat-out ridiculous.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not the biggest Bret Hart mark, and I'll even agree that HBK is a better wrestler, but to completely dismiss the man's career by saying he only had one great match is outrageous.

I feel like a tool for arguing about this because it seems like people have been arguing about this for years. The Bret marks blindly defend him, and HBK marks blindly defend him. Which leaves people like me in an awkward position, trying to defend Bret from the HBK marks, and defending HBK from the Bret marks.

What is Bret's "biggest claim to fame" then? If it doesn't involve Shawn Michaels, then it would either be Ric Flair or Yokozuna.

The Kiss My Foot Match

No, but seriously, I don't want to argue about this anymore. I have my opinion and you have yours. Let's leave it at that.

lol sound a bit bitter. That's sweeping to say the least.

a) his religion has nothing to do with whether or not he's the best. I don't even believe in religion. Completely irrelevant to this topic. You make yourself sound ignorant and your logic is unsound.

b) Yes, we're all Texan here in America...Please. I'm from NE and where he comes from also has absolutely no bearing on my opinion. In fact, I don't even think of him as Texan or recall that information unless it's brought up.

Oh by the way, I think Bret Hart is great. However, if I didn't I wouldn't be calling him names and citing where he's from as a reason.

And you like to act like I think he isn't the greatest because he's a Jesus Freak. He just happens to be one, and I called him it.

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