Worlds most re-inforced ladder *ECW Spoliers*
 

From the front page:

Dark Match:
*Kofi Kingston defeated William Regal in a good match.
ECW:
*Kane defeated Boogeyman after a chokeslam.
*Mark Henry defeated Santino Marella to quality for the Money in the Bank. Yes, you read that right. Mark Henry is in a ladder match at WrestleMania 25.
*Natalya (with Tyson Kidd) defeated Alicia Fox (with DJ Gabriel) with a sharpshooter. After the match, Tyson tried to attack Gabriel but was tossed over the top rope to the floor.
*ECW champ Jack Swagger & WWE Tag Team champions John Morrison & The Miz defeated Christian & Tommy Dreamer & Finlay when Swagger pinned Christian. Really good six man.




WTF? Seriously?

Discuss who you think is going to die in this match now.

I hope he stuns us all and does a moonsault or something.

:lol:

World's Strongest Shooting Star Press

He wont do any climbing, just a whole heap of bash and crash.

Similar but more grounded than what Kane has done in past years.

Maybe he'll do the ladder walking spot.

Seriously though, can you imagine if he did his Vader Splash thing off the top of the ladder onto Rey Rey or something. That would be a bit Holy Shit.

Or the springboard from the top rope to the ladder ala Carlito and whoever the other guy was last year. Or the year before. You know what I mean. DON'T JUDGE ME :mad:




:(

Christian pinned again. Gee, imagine that.

Oh no.














No.

2 wins, 2 losses. No big deal

Best we can hope for is the slam from about halfway up the ladder.

Dude should get his shit together and work on a 450 or something. That'd shut everyone right the hell up.

Hey, remember when Edge got pinned in the opening match at NWO. It was like the 174549th time he's been pinned in his life.

That sure killed his career didn't it.... :roll:

Well, he wasn't hot off a return tho. :-\

I got no problem with Christian jobbing, so long as it's not wasted like the WWE tend to do (jobs in a televised title match and is off to a different program). Thankfully, it's not the case as it seems he and Swagger (and Finlay?) are still in a program and probably might end up in a triple threat like I predicted last week?

Somebody call RVD. We have a ladder match that needs somebody good to save it.

Fuck. One hoss is enough for that match. At least Kane has talent.

Someone is gonna get their wig split

Ugh.

..............well Texas is getting a hole put into the state.

Yeah I know. I don't think it's going to hurt him too much. They just need to to do something to get him by until Mania and build Swagger up. When he gets drafted in a few weeks I'm hoping things will change.

:nono:Mark Henry what the fuck..........Why don't they just put Suicide in there he is so cool:nono::nono::nono:

Atleast 3 people will be injuried after this match.


Oh WWE, what happened to you?

OH NO! MARK HENRY IS IN MONEY IN THE BANK!! ITS THE END THE WORLD!!!!1

I actually look forward to it a little bit, it will be worth a laugh.

LOL if Mark Henry is afraid of heights or something. Or if small planes start flying around him while he is climbing.

Personally, I wish it were John Morrison, Evan Bourne or someone going into the match, but I guess the WWE doesn't want all their MITBs to blend together. This is the one that Mark Henry was in.

Too bad you haven't seen shit yet and don't know how it happens. I do.

Jeritron understands.

:foc:

Yeah, figured that there'd be more to it. On paper, it looks a little slighted, but I'm sure there is some kind of finish that makes Swagger look like a winner, Christian look victimised, and builds effectively to whatever WrestleMania program they have coming.

Christian, Finlay & Tommy Dreamer going over could have been done very easily, though.

:love:

Henry will most probably do his Splash from the top of the ladder.

I don't care how it happened. All I see is that Christian got pinned again.

*fixed* :y:

I hope he wins

Come on Narc! How much do you think this loss is going to matter after WM?

Chokeslam from the top of the ladder on Henry from Kane through the ring.

No. I refuse to acknowledge the bullshit they are feeding us to try and make it OK for him to lose cleanly. All I see is him losing.

You're a fuckin moron.

No offense

Define Moron

Narc Weiner

I don't know if moron is the right word. Idiot if you want. Listen, I know I have unrealistic expectations for guys that I enjoy sometimes but only to an extent and I don't think this is one of those times. Do I expect Christian to be World Heavyweight Champion tomorrow? No. But he is off a hot return and instead of embracing it, they are jobbing him out cleanly. It doesn't matter how it happens, the bottom line is that he's jobbing. I just had hoped that they would use him a little bit better. Don't know why everyone is wishing death upon me here for wanting one of my favorite wrestlers to be used correctly.

People just disagree with the suggestion that he isn't being used correctly. He's in a program with the ECW Champion. He started off strong, and got two pins over the guy. Now it's Swagger's time to really get in the head of Christian, so that when they do start to build more directly to WrestleMania, there is a "which way will it go" drama.

Personally, I would have put the faces over in that main event, though. Christian could have pinned The Miz, or something.

2 clean wins and 2 clean losses over ECW's "main event". Not something to be ashamed of. They're not going to build him up with strings of wins against no names like DJ Gabriel and Tyson Kidd, he's up in their main event getting some action. Making Swaggsley have consecutive clean losses over Christian makes him look weak, and constant wins for Christian over Swagger makes the feud sort of worthless.

Do I think he's being mismanaged? Yeah. Could they do better? Again, yeah. But really, it's Christian. Not The Rock, not Stone Cold, not even RVD or Booker T. To Vince, Christian is that same guy who walked out 3 years ago as a midcarder on not that great terms and went to TNA (the "competition"). He's not going to get super duper winning streaks fresh out of Florida, and it's only been a month.

Cleanly though? That's what I don't agree with. They're just showing that they don't give a shit about him making him job clean. Swagger is a heel and would lose nothing from getting a cheat win. But if they did that then they couldn't piss all over Christian I guess.

Swagger cheating isn't the way to go, in my opinion. Swagger's character is that he wins clean. He's a wrestling prodigy, and like Brock Lesnar, he's a heel with an amateur wrestling background and some size to him that is a legitimate threat. Or is meant to be, anyway. Swagger has gone cleanly over well respected guys like Tommy Dreamer, Finlay and Matt Hardy, and cleanly ended the undefeated streak of Ricky Ortiz. Why should he have to cheat with Christian? If anything, it makes Swagger's claims of being a wrestling prodigy paper-thin, and Christian beating him means nothing.

Christian has also made a career for himself being a slimy heel in the WWE. He knows all the bad guy tricks, so he shouldn't fall for them. If Swagger goes over Christian, it should be because he has size and technique over Christian, due to his past and natural gifts. Christian should be winning with his experience and cunning. In fact, I'd like to see some spots where Swagger tries to cheat Christian over, but The Canadian Rage is always a step ahead, and manages to completely reverse the situation on Swagger.

I'd also like to see JBL manage Swagger. I think Jack is pretty damn competent on the mic, if you ask me, but he's just lacking that extra support to make his quick ECW Title win seem like a really big deal. JBL could get behind the guy, and really capitalise his heat.

I also wouldn't consider the way Christian was pinned as being "clean."

I actually thought that they would put Umaga in it..... I guess not anymore..... 2 300 pounders in 2 too many.....

How was it not clean? Swagger tagged in, hit his finisher, and pinned him.

Just watch ECW tonight, Narc.

I don't need to watch it to understand what is happening. They are trying to do things to distract people from the fact that Christian is just cleanly jobbing on the C show.

It wasn't a clean job :mad:

Plus, weren't people complaining that Christian going over Swagger two weeks in a row made Swagger look weak?

Technically Swagger didn't cheat.

I just think you're looking at this as too black and white. There's a gray area

I would also like to point out that D'Lo Brown won his first couple matches back as well...

Whoa. You're seriously not comparing those two situations are you???

No, they aren't comparable because D'Lo Brown didn't lose til probably his 4th or 5th match. :)

I don't think D'Lo pinned the champ on Raw two weeks in a row though.

Also, enough with this Champ stuff. It's not like Xtian came in and beat Cena on his first night back. He's on the C show here. Come on now.

So why does it matter so much that he lost to c-champ on the c-show (IN A TAG MATCH at that)? You can't have it both ways.

You're looking at this whole thing as a smark though. In kayfabe, Christian beat the champ two weeks in a row, which means something in the WWE Universe.

They have a champion who doesn't use the ropes or a chair shot to win his match. Really not seeing the problem.

Just was expecting more from the Christian return I guess. I guess I'll just have to deal with them turning him into the next Tommy Dreamer.

Probably.

You're overreacting man. Like WAY over overreacting. If you honestly think thin Christian is gonna be the next Tommy Dreamer because he's lost TWICE in his 4 matches, you're crazy.

I think he'll be the next Nunzio.

LOL

Hey, remember when Punk was getting jobbed out as champion and you all said he'd rebound?

What happened with that again?

Not regaining the WHC doesn't mean he didn't rebound. The guy is in the middle of a nice IC title run.

Not regaining main event status after being a main eventer isn't rebounding?

Once you're champion, you're considered a main eventer for at least a years, or at least SHOULD be.

And Punk's title isn't even on the line at Mania, which shows how much that title is worth.

I said it was a stupid move to put the title on him then and a worse move to take it off him like they did and that he is finally back where he should be. I'm right is what happened to that.

That only lasted a month or two. Now he's in a major feud leading into Mania.

I'm not saying it's right, because again, you should have solid main event status once you win a world title, but his and Punk's situations aren't the same.

Punk was a transitional champ. Happens all the time in wrestling.

I'm not saying Punks reign was a success, but i think Punk is fine where he is right now.

If they want to have Swagger take on Christian at Mania, they need to give him some heat. Being a wrestling wunderkind is nice, but if the guy you're meant to be facing has pinned you twice then it's moot. The way they're doing it now builds up both guys, a returning Christian for the new audience who isn't familiar with his previous work, and the rookie Swagger, so that by the time we get to Mania there won't be this feeling of "piss break while Christian wins the title." And there isn't, because now you all think they're burying Christian.

Way to lump everyone in there, fuzzy bear.

Each and every one of you little Narcaholics.

That's fixed it, Velcro magnet.

It was a sneaky tag, and Swagger blind-sided Christian with his offense? It's something that would have been completely out of the equation in a one-on-one match. He didn't violate any rules, but that doesn't mean that the result is squeaky clean, issue done. Todd Grisham and Matt Striker will sell this on commentary as a screwjob, or something.

Christian will be ECW Champion soon, or he'll be on one of the other two shows.

Because winning the ECW Championship, Money in the Bank, World Heavyweight Championship, World Tag Team Championship and Intercontinental Championship all within a year is certainly not the WWE building you up for anything. PUNK IS BEING BERRIED!!!!~11

Narc, it wasn't fully clean. Technically it wasn't cheating, but neither is the switcharoo pulled by Angle, and later Edge. There are tons of heelish tactics that are "oppurtunist" moves. It shows that he needed to be clever to pick up the win. It isn't a clean, legitimate victory.
You missed the whole point.

Actually, you didn't miss it, because you passed judgement and claimed you knew the scoop without even watching. How ignorant is that? You even went as far as to claim that you don't need to see things, or know the details to know how they are. Yea, okay buddy.

Just letting you know that you lose all credibility and make yourself seem like a fool when you behave like that.

Behave like what? You don't agree with me so now all of a sudden I'm out of control?

I don't need to see what happened. I know what happened, I've seen it in wrestling a million times. Unseen tag, takes the guy offguard, and gets the win. When you filter out all the bullshit it's a clean win. I fail to see where I've offended you all. I'm just saying that cleanly jobbing Christian out to some new guy from the C show is hurting his credibility IMO. You don't have to agree with me.

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It's a matter of you being ignorant. You didn't see it, and you claim you don't need to see it, and you're still trying to discuss it. For real?
At first you didn't even know how it went down until I enlightened you, since those results state nothing. You're dense

I think it's your logic here that's really off-putting, Narc. Not whether or not we agree or disagree.

Also, clean pinfalls in tag matches don't really hold the same credibility as a singles match. So on the one hand, Swagger gets to say he pinned Christian, but on the other, it wasn't one on one. And it was literally one move that beat him. It wasn't like Swagger out-wrestled him this week. So last week Christian had the damaged arm that Swagger worked over, and this week a "smart" tag win. It looks good for Swagger, and it really doesn't look terrible for Christian, just like the Swagger losses didn't look bad for him because they were back and forth match-ups. They're building heat between the two instead of just giving them five weeks of pre-Mania promos of talking about how they're going to destroy each other at Mania.

Jeritron, I have been watching wrestling since I was six years old. I know the spot. It has happened hundreds of times. It isn't rocket science. You act like you explaining what happened changes everything. If it will make you happy I'll watch the damn match but I know exactly what happened, it doesn't change anything. And why can't I discuss it without seeing it? Christian lost cleanly in the middle of the ring to Jack Swagger for the second week in a row after what was supposed to be a huge return. That's all I really need to know. Everything else is useless information. I don't need to know anything else. Why is this a hard concept to understand?

All I wanted to do was complain about Christian being turned into a huge jobber and you guys are the ones that turned it into a huge arguement. Not I.

Huge jobber=Santino Marella. Christian right now=working on this program with Swagger.

Of course it's clean when you filter out the bullshit. But that bullshit is what makes it "dirty" in the first place.

It cracks me up that you guys are waiting for this eventual rise to the top that isn't going to happen. Listen, if the WWE wants a guy to a a star, they are going to do everything in their power to make it happen. Guys that they are trying to push towards eventual success have gimmicks or angles to help get them there. WWE brought Xtian back unnanounced on a show that very few people watch in comparison to their other shows and put him in a fued with a guy that alot of people don't even know. That isn't how you treat somebody that you want to hold a world title at some point. I think you guys kinda need to get over it all right now rather than later. They aren't going to do much with him. If WWE wants a guy to succeed, he's probably going to succeed. I don't even think that they don't want him to succeed, I just don't think they care.

You don't bring in a guy off a huge comeback to a low rated show and job him out to a relatively unknown guy if you want him to succeed. Sorry.

You don't put a guy you want to hold a world title in a feud for a world title?

It's the C-Show belt, Thed :roll:

It's not canon. Pretty soon I won't care for Christian.

Who exactly do you think Christian is? Because I think he's a mega-talented guy that the WWE offered more money than TNA was, that unfortunately is not on the level where he deserves a big celebration for his return.

I don't feel like going through this all again, but there are plenty of reasons why Christian would return to ECW. To be honest, it's a pretty smart move by the WWE, and my hat's off to them. The guy isn't even on Rey Mysterio's level yet, so putting him in a space where he can be a big fish in the small pond will make him look like a bigger deal when he crosses over.

Also, just because smarks rip into ECW, doesn't mean the WWE doesn't see a purpose in it. They want it to make money for them, and not lose it. Putting Christian as the head of that brand is a massive thing for him to be doing fresh off returning from the competition he chose to go work for.

Now, I'm not of the opinion that Christian needs to be buried for leaving, or pay dues again, that's carny shit. The fact is, the very responsibility that Christian has been given thus far is indicative of the WWE wanting results from him.

You mention that when the WWE wants to create a star, they will: Has it ever occured to you that the WWE wants to turn both Christian and Jack Swagger into stars? Everyone seems to make this about Christian all the time, but he is in a program with a guy. Why do so many people want to see Swagger's heat all chopped up and fed to Christian? The WWE is trying to do right by both men right now, and I'd say they are doing a pretty good job.

Am I supposed to pretend that ECW is on the same plane as RAW and Smackdown? I feel that alot of you do. While you make valiant efforts to make the show seem credible, let's get real here. Can we just tell the truth here for a second? I agree that ECW is a great prgram but it's on a channel that many cable companies don't carry, it has a shitty tuesday slot, doesn't get near the ratings that the other shows do, and all of the talent consists of guys that WWE didn't know what else to do with so they stuck them there. I think we need to get off this whole "He's wrestling a World Champion" horse we are on right now. It isn't nearly the same as Edge or Triple H with their respective belts and we all know it. Former ECW Champion Chavo Guerrero was squashed in a minute or so by Cena a couple weeks ago. The ECW championship means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things in the WWE.

Obviously, the Chavo project was a failure, so using him as an example is iffy, because you can have a failed reign even if you're the WWE or WH champion.

But I think the biggest thing holding ECW back is all the smarks and uber-smarks who refuse to give ECW a shred of credit. Sure, the ECW title may not be up to par with the other World Titles, but it's more than just the "C-Show title" and there's something to say about the title being booked on every PPV card.